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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 12:09 AM
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for those that doubt someone in the controlling party didn't steal this!
Edited on Sat Nov-13-04 12:13 AM by themartyred
This is interesting, and it's a compiled list of things you must believe for Bush to have won fairly --- --- ---

To believe that Bush won the election, you must also believe: That the exit polls were wrong in the states that decided this election, but somehow were correct, as exit polls have proven to be, in the states that were not going to be in question (like Georgia) on election day; that master pollster John Zogby's 5pm election day calls for Kerry winning Ohio and Florida were wrong (he was exactly right in his 2000 final poll); that polling company, Harris' last-minute polling for Kerry was wrong; that "incumbent rule #1" – undecideds break for the challenger - was wrong; That the "50% rule" – in which an incumbent doesn't do better than his final polling - was wrong; That the "approval rating rule" – an incumbent with less than 50% approval will most likely lose the election – was wrong; that it was just a coincidence that the exit polls were correct where there was a paper trail and incorrect (+5% for Bush!) where there was no paper trail; that the surge in new young voters had no positive effect for Kerry in swing states where youth voting was very high, despite long lines and record youth voting; that Kerry did worse than Gore against an opponent who lost the support of scores of Republican newspapers who were for Bush in 2000 (by a huge circulation victory for Kerry), and even the "Conservative Times" magazine backed Kerry; that the reports of Warren County, in Ohio, who closed their vote counting to outsiders because of a unfounded terror threat (FBI says never told them that, as County officials claimed), did nothing illegal as one of the last counties to be counting votes in Ohio, as Bush gained a few more thousand vote lead over Kerry making it near impossible for the provisional ballots to matter, once counted; that 4,000 extra votes for Bush in a Gahanna precinct, where only 600 votes were on the register, was just a mistake, along with the other mistakes that just happened to go Bush's way; that voting machines made by Republicans with no paper trail and with no software publication, which have been proven by thousands of computer scientists to be vulnerable in scores of ways, were not tampered with in this election, EVEN though the CEO of Diebold was even quoted that they were going to do everything they could to "guarantee" a Bush victory in, no less than - you guessed it - OHIO!

For further graphs, and visual proof see:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1337662&mesg_id=1337662
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LilKim Donating Member (355 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 09:13 PM
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1. If you want to be taken seriously
You'd have a reputable link for each of your points. For example, you say Zogby had Kerry ahead in Florida in his last poll. It'd be nice to see a link to that poll, because as I recall he had Kerry ahead by only something like 0.3% and "trending Kerry," in otherwords, tied with Bush.

Further, didn't Kerry have the highest negative opinion in the polls ever of any challenger? I heard this as an explanation as to how Bush could poll under 50% in his approval ratings and still win.

But anyway, you need to back up a lot more what you're saying because, as has already probably previously been discussed (my reading of DU has been dropping off the last week) now even the New York Times is dismissing and debunking all the fraud claims: http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/12/politics/12theory.html
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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 09:22 PM
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2. GAWD, it's so easy to pick you wingers out.
Wanna see how I do it?

" ...now even the New York Times is dismissing and debunking all the fraud claims"

A REAL person who belongs on this site wouldn't characterize The NYT as being in the back pocket of the leftist agenda. The word "even" is used religiously by you Kool-Aid drinkers, and it's too bad for you that we know the code. You spew RW talking point without even noticing you're doing it.

Not an original thought in any of your brains, yet. I'm still looking though. Enjoy your infiltration here.
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LilKim Donating Member (355 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 09:33 PM
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3. GAWD, is right
Now asking for MSM links of any kind gets you called an 'infiltrator.' Enjoy your paranoia.
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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 10:22 PM
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4. It wasn't the query of links to media that tipped me off...
It was the "EVEN the NYT" bit, sans "ultra Libuurl By-assed" comment usually accompanied with it.

Freepers also use MSM, not us.;) We use "lapdog media".
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