GET THIS PEOPLE. KERRY DIDN'T LOSE. BUSH CHEATED.

[genius]

Of course, then, Kerry quit. I have no doubt that Kerry won that landslide. The problem wasn't his performance, his positions, his campaign, the ads or any of that nonsense. It was the vote rigging. We saw it coming. We did nothing. He promised not to quit and then went back on that promise. It's important to put the blame for the disaster where it belongs.

[T Town Jake]

1. Uh-huh. Got any credible proof? A link to facts? Anything? (n/t)

[underseasurveyor]

2. Pay no attention to AAAAAAAALL the Black Box Voting . ORG links

Posted AAAAAAAAAAAALL over DU.

[AnIndependentTexan]

6. We have our proof of fraud PAY ATTENTION ALL DU'ER

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1332009&mesg_id=1332009&page=

[Touchdown]

8. I cant HEAR YOU!

[underseasurveyor]

10. heh

:evilgrin: LOL

[genius]

3. Haven't you been paying attention.?

If you aren't looking at the posts here, check out Gregpalast.com or legitgov.org

[T Town Jake]

11. Oh, I've been "paying attention" alright...

...and most of this type of speculation I've been reading has been horseshit from stem to stern. It's high time we accept the ugly facts, regroup, and fight on.

[JohnnyCougar]

12. read this post

and tell me what you think.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2615300

[T Town Jake]

14. Okay, I read it...

...I see lots of opinion & speculation - good opinion, IMO - but no facts. Nothing concrete. No links to verifiable proof of "cheating"; no nothing other than an acutely felt rant. Just feel-good horseshit. It's high time we fell back, regrouped, and surged forward to fight on, not fantasize.

[Name removed]

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[T Town Jake]

17. "You smell like a freeper"... ha, ha...I knew THAT was...

...coming, somewhere down the road. Jeesuz, but you tinfoil hatters are as lame as they come. Disagree with any one of you for even a second, and the "freeper" accusations come erupting forth.
Well, nanny-nanny poo-poo: you smell like one to me... :eyes: :boring:

[JohnnyCougar]

18. Despite your claptrap, you still haven't proven the election was fair.

Where is your proof? Where is the evidence that Bush plays by the rules?

[T Town Jake]

21. Ahhh...but it is not I who is required to provide "proof"...

...of any kind, despite your "claptrap." I'm not the one producing fairy-tail speculations that, when considered in the light of hard evidence, all turn out to be certifiable horseshit, now am I?
Best we accept the ugly facts, regroup, and fight on, as I've said repeatedly.

[JohnnyCougar]

23. Who says I need to provide proof?

How is believing that the most criminal empire ever to rule this country suddenly decided to be fair about elections a fairy tale?

Your view that they would just lay down after all the evil they did and let the people decide whether they rule for another four more years soends pretty far out to me.

The fraud is there...we have to find it or we die.

[underseasurveyor]

25. Don't waste your energy JohnnyC

Mr. Jake isn't interested in anything except slinging insults and meaningless argument.

[T Town Jake]

30. "The fraud is there...we have to find it "...

...then go to it, and quit boring the rest of us to tears with idle keyboard speculations. When you have PROOF of this vast conspiracy I'll work to see to it that you're thrown a ticker-tape parade right down the middle of Times Square. But the serious & mentally stable among us require PROOF - not wordy, factless horseshit. The onus, such as it stands, is therefore on you to sally forth, dig up those elusive "facts" you insist are out there somewhere, and thus save the world... :eyes:
Get back to me when you've completed that worthy mission...

[JohnnyCougar]

33. Sounds like a good idea!

For starters, I'm ignoring you!

Second, I'm gonna volunteer my efforts to any recounts, and spread the word of probable fraud to my family and friends.

This will be huge!

[Swamp Rat]

34. No, the onus is on you to stop insulting DUers and make a cogent

argument.

[Milo_Bloom]

37. Wow....

Exactly how many districts have to show more votes than voters for you to realize that SOMETHING is drastically wrong?

We have one in Ohio and now 12 in Florida. Almost 200,000 total votes found cast above and beyond the voters in the district. We have another district where 12% of the voters supposedly decided not to cast a vote for President.

That that HARD EVIDENCE and add in the exit polls not matching in E-voting states, but coming very close in non-evoting states and you have the effect of the evidence above.

To not realize that SOMETHING is up is simply not paying attention.

[Cats Against Frist]

32. See, your first wrong assumption is

that you believe anything that THEY say over your own lying eyes.

To come to the conclusion that you don't have to provide proof, you have to believe that they didn't steal it last time, that they wouldn't steal it, and if they did -- they'd just tell us about it.

[genius]

13. So you think Bush won - despite the incorrect vote counts

that remarkably gave him underserved votes and despite the exit polls which said Kerry won. I suppose you think Bush won Florida in 2000, too.

[T Town Jake]

15. "I suppose you think Bush won Florida in 2000, too."

You know, one of the charming things about you tinfoil hatters is that you always resort to every scummy tactic in the book when you sense that your X-files world-view is under some kind of threat of being intruded on by reality, including the time-honored tradition of inserting words in the mouths of others. I have never intimated in the least that I thought the outcome of the election in Florida in 2000 was anything other than fraudulent. The subject under discussion, however, is the 2004 election. Please try again.

[JohnnyCougar]

19. So they comitted fraud four years ago

before they had even consolidated power. But now that they have consolidated power, fucked over the country, started a war based on lies, weeded out the dissenters in the government, you think they are gonna play fair in 2004?

That doesn't make sense to me. Not at all.

[underseasurveyor]

20. You believe 2000 was fraudulent but not 2004?

That's for sayin' what you just said.
Good Goddess!:eyes:

[Cats Against Frist]

35. LOL -- good smileys

[underseasurveyor]

36. Doncha just feel like doing that to some people sometimes?

Yeah, Me too:evilgrin:
Either that or this
;-)

[Swamp Rat]

22. Insults do not make for a convincing argument.

"...one of the charming things about you tinfoil hatters is that you always resort to every scummy tactic in the book when you sense that your X-files world-view is under some kind of threat of being intruded on by reality..."

Please convince me that PNAC is also tinfoil hat and I'll consider the possibility that it's all a bad dream. Unfortunately, here's reality for ya dude:

[T Town Jake]

24. Not really interested in what you have to say, Swampy...

...as I've made clear more than once. :boring:

[JohnnyCougar]

26. Obviously you are

because you keep reading and responding to his posts.

[Swamp Rat]

29. And he NEVER answers with substance.

Notice the ad hominems in lieu of substance?

[Swamp Rat]

27. Because you know I'm on to you.

... don't you. :D

Why don't you answer questions posed to you? Instead, you resort to ad hominem. What about PNAC?

[underseasurveyor]

28. I on the other hand Swamp_Rat

Think you're

:hi:

[Swamp Rat]

31. Danke!

I am a lean, mean, freeper-bustin' machine! :D

[Brundle_Fly]

7. heres some stuff to steam on

http://www.berkeleydaily.org/text/article.cfm?issue=11-05-04&storyID=20030
Berkeley Daily Planet

http://www.americanpolitics.com/20041105Weiner.html
American Politics Journal -- Let the Rumpus Begin!

[Kerry in 04]

4. I guess he was what dumbya said he was all along.

A Flip-Flopper. He told us he would fight then he quit less than 12 hours after the last polls closed. Way to fight JK!!!!!!! WOOT!!!!!!!


I have *feeling* not a very strong one though, that the Kerry team may have an ace up its sleave and they just don't want them to expect it. Hence the VERY early concession. I mean, why not AT LEAST wait until the end of the day and see if any major fraud surfaces?

[JI7]

5. the gay marriage amendments helped Bush

it helped get religious conservatives, including catholic latinos to vote for him. if we want to win in the future we have to acknoweldge this. the democrats did even worse in the senate races.

[AuntPatsy]

9. If I see one more of these posts I think I am going to scream...

I'm Catholic, quit blaming us!