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timeforachange Donating Member (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 05:47 PM
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Do any of you seriously think Hillary won't get the nomination if she runs
With Bill Clinton her campaign manager and stumping with her everywhere she goes in the primaries?

Yeah, right.

Bill Clinton will be campaigning like a madman for Hillary everywhere she goes.

They will crush anyone else who runs.

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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 05:50 PM
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1. then she will go on to lose the general election
what a pleasant prospect for committed Democrats to look forward to for the next four years...

She'd be even more bicoastal than Kerry-Edwards cuz HRC allows WI and PA to go red......
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 05:51 PM
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 05:53 PM
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3. This is the only way i would leave this party....
if we nominate her in '08 we have given up any interest in winning elections.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 05:55 PM
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7. I Would Vote For Her With The Enthusiasm I Had For Mondale and Dukakis...
Two fundamentally decent men but men destined to lose...
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 05:53 PM
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4. Hillary is disliked even by a sizeable number of Democrats
That should say it all. Hell, I don't like her.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 05:54 PM
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5. I like Hillary, but we can't afford to lose in 2008
Hillary would not win. Based on the negative ads that would be spawned on her and the fact that America is too stupid to allow a woman to become President, she would lose.

That's at least what I think now. Ask me in 3.5 years.
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dicknbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 05:55 PM
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6. I think if Hillary is as smart as everyone tells us she is...
That if she can't see the writting on the wall after thie debacle that she will just be running for Pres to satisfy her own ego. She will never win the presidency. Not with the mood that this country is in now. Of course if JEEEEEEEEEEEZZZZZZZUS came down and endorsed her she might have a chance against a disintered Strom Thurmond but that might be it!
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 05:57 PM
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8. yes, and she's going to run
they asked her about it today and she refused to say no. She gave her usual answer about wanting to work hard for the people of NY.

Its a done deal, she will be on the list of potential candidates. I just wonder if she could win the Iowa caucuses against a guy like Warner who knows rural areas well.

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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 06:00 PM
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10. I can't wait till 2012
i can't fucking wait...
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 05:58 PM
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9. She needs to beat Guliani in 2006 first. nt
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 06:01 PM
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13. i think she beats Guliani...
she's polling in the 60's in NY.....
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 06:00 PM
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11. I think she would lose in the primaries.
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redherring Donating Member (214 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 06:01 PM
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12. I would prefer somebody else, but Hillary can win
if she picks someone from Ohio for vice president.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 06:01 PM
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15. if there was someone from ohio kerry would have picked him (nt)
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 06:02 PM
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 06:03 PM
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19. maybe if we sent John Glenn To St. Augustine...
nt
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Bush was AWOL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 06:01 PM
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14. I'm done with politics if she gets it
it will prove to me that we aren't interested in winning.
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timeforachange Donating Member (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 06:03 PM
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18. and if she wins the general election?
what will you say then?
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 06:04 PM
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20. i'll say that's as likely as bats flying out of my ass...
nt
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 06:04 PM
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 06:02 PM
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17. I would look very carefully at Hillary
I respect her intelligence but, imo, beltway politics has no place anymore in a campaign and by that time, she would be totally infused with it.

I have always liked her and think she does work hard, very hard, but something nags at me.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 06:06 PM
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23. she's smart but she can't win...
we need to hold the states that Kerry and Gore won and "steal" a blue state or two...

I am far from convinced she could hold our base... In fact I am sure PA and WI go red under HRC...
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HootieMcBoob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 06:04 PM
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21. Right-Wing Wet Dream
there's no way that Hillary will run for President. That's trotted out all the time and it's as stale as Rush Limbaughs skidmarked underwear. But keep pulling it out it keeps the rubes happy.
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MattG Donating Member (107 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 06:11 PM
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28. My friend Zach mentioned this today
I laughed. Hilary, sorry. If there's one thing that I learned from this election, it's that the Republicans are slick. They can make anyone believe their bullcrap just given the weak enough person. If they can attack John Kerry, they can mincemeat of Hilary, heck they already have.
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 06:06 PM
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24. If the Red states wouldn't go for John Kerry, a war hero
and an extremely moderate, centrist U.S. senator, how on earth would they go for the polarizing, much more controversial Hillary Clinton?
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 06:09 PM
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26. We Got 89% Of The Black Vote...
That river's dry....

And single women were one of Kerry's best demographics...

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timeforachange Donating Member (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 06:10 PM
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27. gore got 91% of the black vote
blacks weren't energized this year. Turnout in Florida could have been better. Below '92 levels.
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 06:17 PM
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32. If blacks weren't motivated THIS time out
with Bush in office, they'll never be more motivated in the future. Hillary is a recipe for failure.

This party needs another John F.Kennedy or FDR. The kind of candidate who can knock the socks off of people with manifest personality and a sense of unusually excellent leadership.
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Redneck Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 06:12 PM
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29. God I hope not
What a friggin' train wreck that would be.
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 06:13 PM
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30. She won't have my vote in the primary.
I'm tired of having our asses handed to us by a bunch of Neanderthals.
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dogman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 06:14 PM
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31. Yellow-dog that I am, I'd vote for her.
It would be a worse disaster for the Party than this year, I believe. We need someone that touches more of the people, not just our people. Hell they told us JRE was the best saleperson ever and it got us no where. The media loves to crucify the Clintons and most of the groundwork is in the can.
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lady raven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 06:19 PM
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33. her opponents
All they would have to do to beat her is successfully make a case for the fact that the right wing smear machine would bury her in lies and innuendo and eventually tank her campaign. They have already had incredible success demonizing her.
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 06:25 PM
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34. Great. Hated as liberals while being conciliatory enablers.
The very thought disgusts me. I actually like Hillary, but she and her husband have spent such psychic energy trying to be acceptable to those who only want to destroy them that they've lost whatever moral compass they may have ever had.

Why didn't Bill campaign more? He wasn't shut out like Gore did in a fit of fear-filled idiocy in '00. Yeah, he couldn't campaign more due to a serious health problem, but he could have been much more vocal in the press and media, and he wasn't. His criticism and disagreements with the campaign were also leaked with shocking speed to the media.

Enough.

He pulled this party to the right, thinking that the right would play nice, and even as they still thirst for his destruction, he thinks this will work. Hillary, an ex-young Goldwater Republican, although she's got her heart in the right place, still thinks that appeasing the forces of hate is possible. This is ridiculous. On basic grounds of perception alone, she's not sentient enough to win, and even if she could, her compass is not true.
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chimp chump Donating Member (132 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 10:33 PM
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35. The VRWC
The vast right wing conspiracy, Hillary's term for them, would probably eat her alive. Or maybe their vehemence against her would provoke others to vote for her.

Hard to tell. But she'd be the most polarizing candidate since, well, I can't think of anyone in the last century who was quite that controversial.

But being controversial doesn't mean she'd lose. Elections are ultimately about dividing the nation. But she'd have to have incredibly expert handling to pull it off. It's hard to imagine the kind of money and handlers she'd have to have.

I'm beginning to think Hillary won't run, that it's all a rightwing nightware/fantasy. They're so afraid of a Clinton Redivivus scenario but so hungry to finally defeat the Clintons in some way.

I think she'd have to send Bill out of the country for the duration of the campaign or he'd screw it up for her. I have no doubt that she would be a relentlessly disciplined and focused candidate. However, she was not a governor and being a senator, either sitting or retired, is a liability. And she doesn't exactly have the Eleanor Roosevelt thing working for her either.

It would be very tough. But she could be elected but it's such a long shot given how much Red America hates her. And you have to have a couple of Red states to win. Strategically, she should have run for governor of Ohio instead of senator from New York if she wanted to be president.

I'm not certain she really does want it. At least, not badly enough. She may be waiting to see if the GOP really screws things up and gives her a real shot at it.
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