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Robert Oak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 08:05 PM
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Bush to make MANDATORY mental health screenings
Good god, I couldn't believe this is true, but I googled it...
and it is, a MANDATORY mental health screening.

http://www.newstarget.com/002078.html

What most Americans do not know is that such screenings will become mandatory, even for very young children, if legislation now before Congress passes. Through the New Freedom Initiative, President Bush is pushing for a national program that will evaluate every citizen, beginning with school children from preschool-age up, for possible mental illness. In theory, it sounds like a good idea, but in practice, it is highly problematic. What criteria will be used? What treatments will be recommended?

http://pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-review/trib/newssummary/s_258991.html

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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 08:16 PM
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1. How will they possibly enforce this?
I see shades of "1984" here. What is this really about?
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Robert Oak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 08:22 PM
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4. it's Russia's technique to control dissidents
this is really bad.

kill two birds with one stone...pharmecuetical companies make big bucks
while keeping the many studies of the dangers and ineffectiveness
of these drugs, never mind the incredible misdiagnosis.

many of these drugs can be used as torture, for example, Haladol
was used to torture Russian dissidents

yet believe this or not, old people in nursing homes are blasted
with this stuff...

why? to control them.

Turns you into a drooling zombie...

designed for guys who think they are superman and about to fly
off the building.

yet...poor defenseless old people, alone, stuck in nursing homes..
get jacked on it.
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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 01:43 AM
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36. But how would they get the rest of us? Especially if we all
lose our jobs and have no money to pay for our "meds". They can't force anyone to take psychopharmaceuticals. Or can they?
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 08:17 PM
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2. Then him and pickles should be first in line
Following by the rest of the wackos in his inner circle.

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n2mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 08:19 PM
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3. Scarry
I've heard this before, this is one of the reasons I voted against the shrub. He is more sick then most people I know.

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dethl Donating Member (462 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 08:24 PM
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5. Power has gone to the monkey's head already....
Ugh, now I feel more sick.
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highplainsdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 08:24 PM
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6. My understanding is that this is a national version of some Texas
program that Bush either implemented or tried to implement (vague recollection; this was in one news story I read months ago). The main goal appears to be to require many more people to take high-priced drugs -- it'll be another windfall for the pharmaceutical companies. But I agree completely about the scary "1984" possibilities.
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 08:26 PM
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7. I would like to smack them all upside their head
Is this a push for the pharma companies? You know, your little five year old has a "potential" for mental illness and needs Ritalin for the rest of his/her life. Believe me, parents will believe it and dope up thier kids in order to make them compliant to big brother.

There will be a revolution. I am convinced of it now.
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dave502d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 08:30 PM
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8. So he want see how many people our like him.
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bacchant Donating Member (747 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 08:32 PM
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9. A whole bunch of diagnosed crazies without insurance. OOPS!
Like to see how they handle that inevitability. "Sorry Mr. Smith you're crazy as a loon, but without health insurance you're shit out of luck.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 08:39 PM
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14. A new program, costly to taxpayers, that goes straight to drug companies
Kinda like their bogus Medicare prescription drug plan -- stick it to the taxpayers, and give a windfall to the drug companies.
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Habibi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 08:42 PM
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18. Not to mention that, once you are diagnosed with something
it will be impossible for you to *get* insurance.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 08:33 PM
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10. i will be the first to go to jail for my kids
anyone else. i am not doing it. no one touches my child, period. but it cant just be me. any other parent willing to go to jail for our children
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guitar man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 08:33 PM
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11. screw this
"liberalism" will become a mental illnes? My thoughts anyway.
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Azure Donating Member (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 08:36 PM
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12. Mmm-hmm. Mandatory screenings indeed...
Have a look at this. Might be a lot of bunk, but it certainly isn't reassuring...

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/camps.html

"There over 600 prison camps in the United States, all fully operational and ready to receive prisoners. They are all staffed and even surrounded by full-time guards, but they are all empty. These camps are to be operated by FEMA (Federal Emergency Management Agency) should Martial Law need to be implemented in the United States...

...The camps all have railroad facilities as well as roads leading to and from the detention facilities. Many also have an airport nearby. The majority of the camps can house a population of 20,000 prisoners. Currently, the largest of these facilities is just outside of Fairbanks, Alaska. The Alaskan facility is a massive mental health facility and can hold approximately 2 million people."

Just tinfoil conspiracy foolishness? I certainly HOPE so...
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 08:37 PM
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13. What will happen to whom he sees as unfit?
I already have a generalized anxiety disorder, ADD, and dyslexia. My records are there. I don't need his tests.

And he will probably have those deemed unfit to be locked up or killed.

Thank you, you 50 million imbeciles. May you get locked up for being too stupid.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 08:42 PM
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19. That's when the shock treatment comes at Baptist Medical center
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Azure Donating Member (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 08:49 PM
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21. Bingo
They already have my records too. If there's anything at all to this claim of empty prison camps, we'll be the first ones on the trains.

It's getting tougher and tougher to dismiss all of this as "tinfoil hat" stuff. I am seriously worried here. "Mandatory mental health screenings?" I think it's definitely time to start worrying.

From the article I listed above:

From the parking lot of the Odyssey Restaurant a better view could be taken of the area that was hidden from site from the highway. There was an area that contained about 100 black boxes that looked like railroad cars. We had heard that loads of railroad cars have been manufactured in Oregon outfitted with shackles. Would these be of that nature? From our position it was hard to determine.

I would have laughed until November 2. I ain't laughing anymore.
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metis Donating Member (165 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 08:40 PM
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15. More $$ for the phamaceuticals?
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Steelangel Donating Member (731 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 08:41 PM
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16. no fuckin' way!
I must be out of here before it has begun!
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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 08:42 PM
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17. I suspect it wouldn't "require" anyone to take the suggested drugs...
(at least not at first) but if you're a parent, and someone screens your child and then recommends a drug for the benefit of your child... and you're the kind of person who really pays attention to authority figures and you're a conscientious parent... well, it would be HARD to say fuck off, I know what's best for my kid. I'm a damned anarchist, but if someone told me what to do for the good of my kid, I'd have to at least consider it. I mean, you'd really blame yourself if you were wrong.

That's how they'd get the bucks to Big Pharma.

ps Google "Texas Medication Algorithm Project". It's designed to take the "guesswork" out of prescribing medications for mental illness, ie, the dehumanization of psychiatry, imho.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 08:46 PM
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20. I can see manatory vision and hearing screenings
But mental health? That's way too subjective IMO.

BTW I have a degree in Psychology FWIW, which ain't much.
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ethereal Donating Member (191 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 08:54 PM
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24. Look into data on vaccinations
that already exists. Read about the high coincidence of infants who have died *mysteriously* after being vaccinated. Learn how ADD rates have soared since vaccinations have become mandatory. Childhood rates of autism have skyrocketed and there are links to vaccinations.



This latest is much less subtle. Adults can't be forced to vaccinated . . . yet.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 08:51 PM
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22. Nonchalantly ask Repukes what they'd think if
one of John Kerry's plans would have been to introduce mental health screening for all.

But do it in a way that does NOT implicate *. Introduce this seed as a fun water cooler talking point.

And when the mainstream media spills the beans about *'s plans, some of them will realize what dumbfucks they are.

Oh, this can apply to other topics as well.

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greblc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 08:51 PM
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23. This looks more like a pipe dream for the Pharm Industry,
than reality. This initiative would be the fast road to Civil Unrest. You can't mess with children. I can't imagine all the Conservative Home Schooling parents would buy into this.
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 08:57 PM
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25. Then he should start with himself,
Cheney, Rummy, Rice, Wolfowitz, Perle, Limpballs, Hannity, Santorum, DeLay, and all the other rightwing nutcases out there. Just that group alone would keep a boatload of psychiatrists busy for years.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 08:59 PM
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26. In theory, it could be good, but I doubt it will be.
Many mental illnesses are left undiagnosed to those who suffer with them's detrement. However, I doubt Bush would set up the programs to help those people.
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foo_bar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 08:59 PM
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27. it's called the "New Freedom Initiative"
If that doesn't give you the willies...
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 09:01 PM
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28. control dissent....hitler and stalin knew how to do it and bush has their
handbook!
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hadrons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 09:03 PM
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29. they can start with Bunning, Coburn, and 59+ million Bush voters
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 09:06 PM
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30. Yep. Bush voters really do need mandatory mental health screening.
But I hope Bush will be first one to be screened.
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derbstyron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 09:14 PM
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31. Awesome!
Edited on Thu Nov-04-04 09:15 PM by derbstyron
He'll discover I'm Bi-Polar and GET ME SOME INSURANCE!!
Maybe then I will be able to get some fucking help.

God, I HATE these fucking people. :(
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swhisper Donating Member (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 09:22 PM
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32. Drugs (Prescription). It is a drug-co deal
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 09:24 PM
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33. Reminds me of "Welcome to the Monkey House" by Vonnegut.
PB
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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 01:51 AM
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37. Hah! The aptly named "Monkey House".
How did Vonnegut know that W* was going to be pResident when he wrote that?
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kohodog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 09:39 PM
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34. You first Chimp.
He'd fail miserably, so he should lead by example.
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skooooo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 09:40 PM
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35. I remember when this topic came up on Free Republic..

Even they expressed vehement displeasure with the idea. Guess they finally said, "Fuck it, I'll just vote for Bush anyway."
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