Payback time.

[Mike Niendorff]

Yeah, I'm serious.

There are 50 million of us who are *pissed as hell* about this.

Fifty Million.

We have credit cards, and bank accounts, and grocery lists.
We go to the movies, the restaraunt. We go out dancing.
We go on vacations, we buy airline tickets, we buy gas for our cars.
We are the consumers in this country.
We are the economy of America.

You fuck with our freedom, we fuck with you.

Did a business donate to Bush? Then fuck them. They're blacklisted. Permanently. Let them die. Let them rot.

Did a customer donate to that piece of shit? Same deal. Let them rot.

We do your labor, we buy your goods, we keep you afloat, and THIS is how you repay us? Fuck that. It's over. The deal is off. You fucked us one too many times.

Let them rot.

There is no further compromise. They have declared war on all of us, on all of our futures, on all of our children.

They are the enemy. I will do no further business with them. Ever. They think they can fuck us and still expect our support? Hell no. Enough is enough. It's payback time. In spades.


MDN

[Worst Username Ever]

1. The proletariat revolution? I like it. n/t

[Dems Will Win]

35. THE ULTIMATE SOLUTION is in this thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x16099

[Upfront]

37. Who?

Are they?

[StupidFOX]

51. Labor class

commonly exploited by the upper class.

[Mistress Quickly]

2. OK, to make it simple

can you list what I can buy and companies I can support. I have a feeling that there aren't many.

* sigh *

[byronm]

8. Here are some of them...

http://www.opensecrets.org/parties/contrib.asp?Cmte=DPC

Many of these contributed to both sides in good faith.

However you should be able to find your local churchs, pubs, coffee shops, book stores, and shops that had Kerry signs or democratic signs and support them - let them know your proud to be there supporting fellow democrats.

[Mike Niendorff]

17. If they're everywhere, then finding just one is easy.

Can't cut ties to all of them?

Ok, then cut ties to ONE.

Put a few Republican-owned businesses on a list and throw a fucking dart if we have to. Then tell me what business your dart hit. They'll never see my face again.

And I don't care if it's "unfair", or if "others are worse". Fuck them all. They don't deserve fairness. They deserve payback. It's long overdue.


MDN


(side-note : we have state forums here on DU that would be PERFECT for sharing info like this.)

[byronm]

3. Hell Yeah

Thats what i'm talking about.

Put our money where our mouth is. There are good liberal businesses out there that need our support more than ever.

[Paradise]

4. we must be united, with leaders and a plan!

right now, democrats are all over the place. imo :shrug:

[info being]

20. I vote for Michael Moore as our leader.

[MinnesotaMike31]

30. I 2nd for Michael Moore!

[RememberWellstone]

56. How bout Dean???

I know damn well Dean has not given up!! He could very well be the next leader of the party..whoever it is, we need to wipe the slate now and get started!! M. Moore does'nt have a political background to be an impact...he is however, a kingpin of media savvy and neeeds to be involved.

To steal a Pube line...LETS ROLL!!!

[Southsideirish]

5. Don't forget the states that approved the gay marriage ban and

red states in general - they must pay!

[msanthrope]

15. No vacations to the Red States....

[LisaLynne]

6. People keep talking about the ...

"Alternative culture" that the RW set up. Well, we can do better than that. We won't just have some left wing version of the "Left Behind books". What if we could start a whole left wing economy? Yeah, it would be hard and not perfect, but what if we could at least get enough of our money going that way, keeping it in the community so to speak, that they would notice?

[InvisibleTouch]

18. Alternative Culture.

Indeed. I've touted this in several threads today, and I'm glad to see I'm not the only one thinking along these lines. I'd like to call on the mods to set up a Freecyle/Bartering forum. Yes, there's freecycle.org, which is good - but how much better it would be to know we're helping each other out as fellow Dems. How about it?

[Mike Niendorff]

24. No shit!

For chrissake, "alternative culture" is what we progressives DO BEST. We've been doing it for as long as I can remember, and we're GREAT at it. We write the music, we make the films, we write the books, we write the poems, and the best they can produce is cheap knock-offs and bland caricatures.

There is so much they are dependent on us for: business, labor, art, community, you name it. It's time they started realizing that the people they are fucking with are more than capable of cutting them out, and that we have LONG memories.

It's now or never, people. Now or never.


MDN

[villager]

7. yes -- the economic card...

...withdraw the economic support, and you render much of their infrastructure helpless...

[byronm]

9. Don't just withdraw

make a paradigm shift into supporting democrat businesses.

Think Green
Think Integrity
Think values
Think american

[Getchasome]

10. I'm with ya.

Sorry to say but I have to include christian churches on the black list as well. They voted for this dim son, they bought into his "you're either with us or against us." Well, I understand not all christians are behind Bush, but they also don't speak out against their far right fringe. So screw all em. No more donations, and I will fight against their crazy beliefs and fight to change people's views. It's time to go up against these nutty fundies and take em to task.

[byronm]

12. Go Unitarian!

Support liberal churchs!

[realcountrymusic]

25. especially the fucking Catholics

there is no such thing as a "progressive Catholic" anymore.

either you are with us or against us. if you are Catholic and do not repudiate your church, you are against me, at least.

rcm

[Straight Shooter]

28. I am a lapsed Catholic

And I left the Church when I learned about the Inquisition.

Damn, can I hold an eternal grudge or what?

Fuck religion in general. It's dangerous to Planet Earth.

[Bridget Burke]

38. Some bishops & priests favored Bush.

But not all of them. There are liberal parishes.

I'm not a practicing Catholic, but not because of you.

[Lefty48197]

44. Actually, about 80% of Priests opposed Bush

because he goes against so many of the church's teachings on poverty, homelessness, war, death penalty, and economic justice in general.

[ArkDem]

41. Maybe it's just that country music thing.

[Fla Dem]

48. I'm a practicing Catholic and it's idiot talk like that , that will never

win anybody to your side.

[Bluzmann57]

59. I am not a Catholic but you are right

I was raised by religious parents, who happen to be avid Democrats, and they instilled in me and my sister values. Real Values. Traet people with respect and dignity, regardless of race, color, creed, or social status. Don't steal. Don't commit adultery. And above everything, Don't take another person's life. Ever. In other words, the Ten Commandents. Look people, the fundies who supportes bush may believe in God, they have just twisted the Bible around to a strange way of thinking. Not the religion me or Fla Dem or a lot of others are familiar with. I was baptized in the Presbyterian Church by the way.

[sniffa]

11. good choice

it may just be easier than revoLution.

[maxsolomon]

13. Home Depot will never see another dime

Lowe's here we come.

[this_side_up]

29. I think Lowe's

contributed to the moron.

I know our local True Value Hardware store
is staffed by Jesus freaks; I assume also
owned by one. My favorite grocery store is
owned by a Left Behinder.

It is a great idea of having state by state
lists of where to shop.

[Mike Niendorff]

31. We have the resources here at DU to do it, easily

We have the numbers, we have the board, we have state forums. Hell, Skinner even has the ability to make a list "sticky" so it stays at the top, if he wants to.

All it takes is for each of us to take a few minutes to see who donated to Bush and who didn't, and then make an fyi post for the rest of us. Big company, small company, corner store, local restaraunt, whatever. Every dollar these bastards lose is one dollar of payback for what they've done to my country.


MDN

[Alpharetta]

47. Sadly, Lowes continues to advertise on Sinclair stations

If I have a choice, I'll NEVER darken the door of Home Depot and I'll RARELY go to Lowes.

[TexasChick]

14. I was thinking about this too! We can hit them in the pocketbooks!

Get a list together and put here on DU in a database. Start boycotting like crazy! All these people know is money! This will have a better effect than a Revolution!

[InvisibleTouch]

16. One simple thing you can do right now:

Change your long-distance phone company. Working Assets Long Distance donates part of its profits to progressive causes every year. You can (but don't have to, of course) round up your bill to the nearest dollar every month. I pay $6/month for the basic service - which, truth be told, I barely use, but I have it "just in case." They also send activism alerts, recommended reading lists, and let you vote on which organizations to support each year. (My big ones are always the environment and women's rights.) You can have the monthly bills withdrawn from your bank account automatically, if you're like me and tend to miss little things like deadlines. And, you'll get coupons for free Ben & Jerry's ice cream. :) Refer your friends and get discounts while doing a good thing for the world. If anyone wants to sign up under my ID, just send me a private message with your e-mail address ... it would help me out ... but if not, just go to the Working Assets home page and check it out. It's the small steps that will make the difference.

[Union Thug]

19. I'm with you! Paying off credit cards...

and not shopping/purchasing ANYTHING except through small businesses with sympathetic political views. F* em!

[Cats Against Frist]

21. I HAVE A PLAN!!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1305989

No one will discuss this, and I'm not going to let it go, until someone shuts down my enthusiasm.

I feel that there is something to this, and I hope that someone a lot more knowledgeable than me can look into it.

In the mean time -- get a head start and GET ACTIVE IN LOCAL POLITICS IN THE BLUE STATES, LIKE YOUR LIFE DEPENDED ON IT.

[rniel]

22. I've always thought

We lose because we refuse to stoop to the lowest levels that they do.

[Lefty48197]

45. So do I.

Do we have to choose between our eternal salvation and winning elections?

[HEIL PRESIDENT GOD]

23. I started doing this CONSCIOUSLY in 2000

It turned out I barely had to change at all. Republican products and services are crap. I never bought into their material lies any more than their spiritual lies.

Whether it's fiery death in a Ford Explorer or Wal-Mart socks that make your feet itch and stink, the Republican manufacturer is out to fuck you just as hard and as deep as the Republican politician. They are one and the same.

[Mike Niendorff]

26. Note to mods :

Why this got moved to "Fighting and Acrimony" is beyond me.

I posted this in "Help and Support", and that's exactly what this is.

This is about how to FIGHT, and that's exactly the kind of help and support we all need right now.

It's time to remind these fuckers just who they're really messing with.

We are a fifty million strong.

For every one of them, there's one of us.

And they need us a hell of a lot more than we need them.


MDN

[sub.theory]

27. Damn straight!

Payback's a bitch. What do fascists care about more than power and wealth (an extension of power)? Well, take it away from them folks. Fuck em.

[mbee]

32. We need to start a list ASAP of companies that support the repigs and

post it here just like the media list so we can refer to it daily and make sure we don't buy from these people unless absolutely necessary.

[MelanieArt]

33. Remember Sinclair....

It DOES work. This is a fantastic idea. We need a master database/list that includes everything from the largest to the smallest place of business.

[Moderate Dem]

34. Well, I thought it was

really dumb when the conservatives were trying to boycott The Dixie Chicks, Springsteen and CBS... How is this any different?

The important thing is to straighten up, and don't let them make Democrats look like caricatures anymore, that's what turned off mainstream Democrats. Rove made people think of Democrats as America hating traitors to those who didn't know any better, that's what needs to be addressed here, and that's what lost the election.

This will just make us look silly, whiny, and ultimately ineffectual.

Again.

[MelanieArt]

39. Wondering what neocons think

of us won't get anyone anywhere. We don't need their acceptance, they certainly don't feel that they need ours. I think that we're beyond taking solace in the fact that we're the "nice guys", there's much more at stake now.

Money talks, a silent protest with our wallets will speak volumes. If only to say that we will not give up our voice and our rights and that we won't take this lying down. Watching Sinclair's stock tank, and seeing their advertisers distance themselves out of fear showed what organized pressure on individual businesses can do. We've shown that we can do it already. We can do it again, and again and again if need be!

The weapons that we dems have in common, and that the neocons appear to lack, are creative, analytical, adaptable thinking minds. We should use our assets to our collective advantage.

Who's with me?

[RT Atlanta]

36. Dr. King's bus strike

Brought Montgomery to its knees....

We can do something on a more national scale and hit those shitstains the only place it counts for them - their wallets.

I'm on board and will work with the ATL chapter of the boycott.

[Mike Niendorff]

40. Starting off (national-level biggies) :

Throw a dart.

-----

George W. Bush : top contributors (2004 cycle)
http://www.opensecrets.org/presidential/contrib.asp?id=N00008072&cycle=2004

Morgan Stanley
$599,730

Merrill Lynch
$569,204

PricewaterhouseCoopers
$508,300

UBS Americas
$456,625

Goldman Sachs
$373,100

MBNA Corp
$351,000

Credit Suisse First Boston
$329,290

Lehman Brothers
$315,275

Citigroup Inc
$311,100

Bear Stearns
$302,600

Ernst & Young
$296,140

Deloitte Touche Tohmatsu
$278,350

US Government
$266,751

Wachovia Corp
$261,060

Ameriquest Capital
$244,400

Blank Rome LLP
$220,150

Bank of America
$213,311

JP Morgan Chase & Co
$199,650

Microsoft Corp
$193,040

Southern Co
$191,232

-----


MDN

[NorthernSpy]

42. we can't do it all at once, but we can start picking them off...

... one by one.

We can begin up here in the Safe Blues. We can determine which of these repuke supporters are the weakest, and then single them out and deal with 'em.

We can build a culture of resentment against the bastards who take people's homes, jobs and medicine away.

[medeak]

43. Walmart Walmart Walmart

let's go.. I'm all for boycott.

Was going to post www.shoptodropbush but it seems it's not working today.

[arKansasJHawk]

50. Bye-bye Wal-Mart

I was just thinking, it's time to finally wean myself from the comfortable, easy wal-mart teat. I read this thread and the deal is sealed. Never again. Not one thin dime.

Now, who's next?

[missouri dem]

58. I was going to suggest walmart

They are at the top of my list of stores not to do business with.

[Lefty48197]

46. Economic warfare. I like the idea. We need to promote progressive shops

.

[Mike Niendorff]

52. Economic warfare

Isolate them, cut them off, treat them like the shit they are. In their place, support businesses and customers who respect our freedoms.


MDN

[pk_du]

49. Sign me up - I couldnt give a fuck if someone right or left

thinks its whiny.

Never did like Walmart but the minute i heard they were showing foxnews all day election day inthey 2620 stores I said "fuck-em" never again....not even if i do need some cheap shitty product. Not one more fucking penny.

And that goes for every other fucker that gets posted on the list - just point me to it.

[msgeri55]

53. pay back time

I'd like to add to the list=
1.buy only foreign goods
2.christmas shop now and leave the shops empty
3.share a car and cut your gas use by half
4.buy only foreign produce
5.hire only illegals and non citizens to work for you
6.undermine the repg's by voting every election reguardless how
small.
7.lets all go so deep underground that they'll never find us! :nopity:

[SidBurn]

54. HEY!!! WHAT'S THIS "LYING AROUND" SHIT?!?!?!?!?

Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Iraqis bombed the WTC:)? Hell no!
And it ain't over now. 'Cause when the goin' gets tough...
the tough get goin'! Who's with me? Let's go!

What the fuck happened to the Democratic party I used to know? Where's the spirit? Where's the guts, huh? "Ooh, we're afraid to go with you, we might get in trouble." Well just kiss my ass from now on! Not me! I'm not gonna take this. Bush, he's going down! Cheney, going down! Rumsfeld...
Going down! We gotta take these bastards. Now we could do it with conventional weapons that could take years and cost millions of lives. No, I think we have to go all out. I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part.
And we're just the guys to do it.
LET'S DO IT!

VIVA LA RESISTANCE!!!!!!!!!!

[Heath.Hunnicutt]

55. I agree! They live off our money!

It's time to starve these parasites out of our society.

[Mike Niendorff]

57. Our money. Our labor. Our invention.

And the presumption of our continued cooperation.


MDN

[pimpbot]

60. Everyone can start by helping me with a freeper!

"Krissey88: hey...he won...it's over...stop being so bitter about it"

I got this IM this afternoon. If everyone would be so kind if you have AIM to send her a nice little reminder of what shes in for, I would really appreciate it :)

Again, that name is Krissy88

[Mike Niendorff]

61. Does she own a business?

If not, then I really don't give a shit.

This kind of petty bickering doesn't accomplish one damn thing except waste people's time and energy.

I want to hit them in a way they'll FEEL and REMEMBER, and their pocketbooks are where it starts. I want to make it hurt. Bad. Make their businesses suffer. Refuse to serve them as customers. Treat them like the miserable garbage that they are.


MDN

[Liberal Gramma]

62. Let's ask the Mods

to help us put together a list of places to spend your money and places NOT to spend your money. Costco, for example, supports the Dems. Wal-Mart supports the Pugs. It could be on the front page so we could search it when trying to decide where to buy coffee, a new car, or plan a trip.

[Mike Niendorff]

64. I agree.

And I'm thinking that sticky threads in the state forums would be helpful for ID'ing local businesses that funded Bush, too.


MDN

[Astrochimp]

63. Kick! N/T

[Mike Niendorff]

65. shameless self-kick, because this needs to be done.

MDN