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lancdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 08:09 AM
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Why didn't early exit polls reflect the turnout of fundamentalist Christia
I know there could be fraud, but it's also clear to me turnout among this group killed us.

Why wasn't that shown in the early polls? And was our GOTV effort that overestimated?

I hate to say it, but if they wanted this election more than we did and got their people out in bigger numbers, we don't deserve to win. It's that simple, and we need to face the truth.
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kwolf68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 08:10 AM
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1. Because it appears polls are


BULLSHIT.
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 08:10 AM
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2. I believe that the real problem was that they were a larger
monolithic block.
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bullimiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 08:10 AM
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3. did they?
Edited on Wed Nov-03-04 08:11 AM by bullimiami
i dont know the truth and dont think we ever will really.

the system has been designed to be opaque. this is where i really find the greatest failure of the government.
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Eye and Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 08:11 AM
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4. Because the exit polls don't measure the decisions made by the machine.
And the machines are not representing the actual votes.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 08:12 AM
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5. Come off it.
We voted in record numbers and our votes were altered in the machines, just the way Bev Harris and Andy Stephenson WARNED US.

If you believe anything else, you believe in the Easter Bunny and the tooth fairy.
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lancdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 08:16 AM
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10. OK, but can we prove it?
What about blue states like NJ where Kerry's margin was less than Gore's in 2000? Was there fraud there, too?
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I AM SPARTACUS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 08:23 AM
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13. No - THEY have to prove that the votes are there.
And they can't.

We don't have to prove it - we have to REACT TO IT.
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 08:13 AM
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6. No. It was fraud. Plain and simple. The Christian Right had a
respectable turnout. But that wouldn't have put * over 270.

And churches were used as mini-campaign events which is illegal (both * and Kerry guilty when they showed up on Sundays). Voter Guides were given with the Sunday programs, canvassing was organized on their grounds, etc. These religious institutions need to lose their taxfree status and chip in and help pay for the tax-cuts and the deficit.

We wanted it more than they did. Not even 50-50.

There was cheating and fraud and I want accountability.
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kayell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 08:14 AM
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7. Because they voted DIEBOLD
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Hong Kong Cavalier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 08:15 AM
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8. Exit polls have been rather reliable for over, what, 30 years?
And now for three elections in a row (2000, 2002, and 2004) they've been way off base. Even after they were "revamped" for the 2004 election, alledgedly because the 2000 election was so off.

Something stinks. Honestly. Something really stinks.
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 08:16 AM
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9. There was an anti-gay
initiative on 11 states ballots that guaranteed the Right Bank would show up.
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hexola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 08:21 AM
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11. Churches in my area doubled as a "GOP headquarters..."
more of less...you could get a signs from the Pastor at one church I know...
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 08:22 AM
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12. Because THE RESULTS WERE EFFORTLESSLY RIGGED using unauditable
Edited on Wed Nov-03-04 08:23 AM by stickdog
fraud-o-matic voting machines.

US "democracy" is now not just a suspected sham, but a proven sham.

HOW OBVIOUS DOES THIS NEED TO BE BEFORE YOU ACCEPT IT AS THE MOST LIKELY EXPLANATION?
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