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requiem99 Donating Member (663 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 11:44 PM
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Proving a fix is actually very simple and quick, so here it is:
Edited on Tue Nov-02-04 11:47 PM by requiem99
The assertion by pundits/Bushies that exit polling was 'way off', and thus, exit polls, which showed an easy Kerry victory in both Ohio and Florida, were incorrecty skewed and did not represent the electorate, is completely bogus.

This is disproved in minutes by simply noting the entire rest of the suite of exit polls conducted by AP and distributed to the news media. View here:

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/presiden... /

Notice, if you will, that states with a narrow or wide Bush margin of victory NOT called Ohio or Florida, project perfectly. Missouri leans to Bush in exit polls, and leaned to him in the vote. Tennessee likewise was favorable to Bush in exit polls, and it showed in the final results with a clear Bush margin of victory. Pick a state, any state, there is not one single exit poll off by more than a few percentage points in any semi-competitive race. Not one.

Except 2. Ohio and Florida, the latter of which has already been "awarded" to Bush, and the former, which appears to nearly be a lock for him as he is up 3 percentage points with 80 percent of the electorate tallied. George Bush's win in each of these 2 states is nowhere near what exit polls suggest. In Ohio, Kerry had a small but noticeable lead with both male and female voters, a rare thing for him as males have tended to favor Bush in this election by a small margin. Likewise, independent voters clearly broke for Kerry, by a 21 percent margin, 60-39. This is not anywhere near the result we are seeing now, and along with Florida, whom I will get to in a moment, it is a clear and blatant sign of voter fraud. I don't use that most dangerous of "F" words lightly, but I must call a wolf a wolf and a sheep a sheep, and this whole setup stinks like Karl Rove after he's ran 15 feet.

Florida, as opposed to simply trending for Mr. Bush, has already been "awarded" to him by the media, who all glibly fail to mention the fact that the exit polling yet again does not match up with the result. Did I mention a moment ago that this and Ohio are the only examples of the exit polling not matching up? I'm pretty sure I did... According to the final tally (which some claim isn't final due to absentee, but I digress) George Bush has received a whopping 340,000 more votes than John Kerry, running away to a 52-47 victory and grabbing all 27 of Florida's electoral votes in the process. However, there is this matter of the exit polls, which I believe I have mentioned a few times in this article: While Mr. Kerry had 6 percent less support from his party than Mr. Bush did, he scored among woman yet again (54 percent of Florida's electorate) by a 52-48 margin, small but important, while losing men (46 percent of the electorate) 47-52, essentially the same margin. Independents, however, broke heavily for John Kerry, favoring him a staggering 60-38 over Mr. Bush. At the very least, this would suggest a very close race, and certainly not the lopsided blowout it turned out to be.

As Joe Pesci once said, "Something is fishy in Florida."

Ohio too, Joe. Ohio too.


*** I'm a pissed off American, and I approved this message ***
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ciaobox Donating Member (796 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 11:46 PM
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1. KICK
Yes folks. We need to regroup. Do not get emotional. This is the PROOF that this was stolen. We need to hammer this theory on the media. All other exit polls were correct. Then Bushies suspiciously start telling the media that in these two states they thought Bush was "undercounted". Hmmmmm.
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checks-n-balances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 11:57 PM
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14. Here's a great selling point to the media: This keeps the story going
and keeps people watching. It's a REAL STORY. Maybe they'll consider it.

Thank you, original poster, for this thread.
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RedEagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:20 AM
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32. Don't count on media- get the word to the Kerry campaign
KERRY is the one who has to fight this.

The media, little lap dogs that they are, aren't going to do squat about this.

Don't count on the media!
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TheDebbieDee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 03:23 AM
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61. Well, I thought for sure that we Democrats were...........
going to be smart enough to hire the better computer hackers in order for us to win this election. Dammit! ;)
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SoCalDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 04:18 AM
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64. I did a more detailed analysis of this situation
Edited on Wed Nov-03-04 04:25 AM by SoCalDemocrat
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

There are three states with EVoting that also have paper audit trails. Nevada, Illinois, New Hampshire. All these states showed exit polls matching precinct reporting.

All other EVote states without paper trails showed at least a +5% bias to Bush between exit polls and precinct reported results.

Ohio has the capability for audits but I don't think used them. This is the Ohio data from CNN before they started altering it.

Male: 51/49 Kerry 47%
Female: 53/47 Kerry 53%

Dem: 91/8 Kerry 38%
Rep: 94/6 Bush 37%
Ind: 60/39 Kerry 24%

Based on M vs. F. Kerry lead exit polls by 1.9% However they had Bush ahead by I believe 3%. Currently they have Bush at 2% from the precinct reports. That is +4% biased in favor of Bush from the Exit Polls CNN did.

My conclusion is that the EVoting systems have been tampered with to give Bush a 5% edge.

CNN was caught manipulating the Exit Poll results here. Why would they do such a thing? The answer is obvious.



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Skinner ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 11:49 PM
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2. This needs another kick. (nt)
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 11:50 PM
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3. zing
:kick:
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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 11:51 PM
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4. Kick
And that's the way it is.
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Kerry in 04 Donating Member (232 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 11:52 PM
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5. MAJOR KICK!!!!!!!!!!!
This is exactly what I have been wanting to say but I have been to depressed to post it. IT IS SO OBVIOUS IT IS FRAUD.
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IdaBriggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 11:53 PM
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6. I'll Kick, but I need to know WHAT TO DO ABOUT IT. Thanks! nt
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Oak2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 05:01 AM
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66. #1 -- Make sure EVERYONE knows the election is fraudulent
First we must stop the Rove spin. I'm going to be making and posting leaflets with these facts everywhere I can.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 11:53 PM
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7. THANKYOU!
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imax2268 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 11:53 PM
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8. kicking
:kick:
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DemVIctory Donating Member (113 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 11:54 PM
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10. Another
kick...
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Fear Donating Member (745 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 11:53 PM
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9. Kick -> I Approve This Message Too, thanks requiem99!
Edited on Tue Nov-02-04 11:54 PM by Fear
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crickets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 11:54 PM
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11. THANK YOU!
They can't have this one, dammit. Hundreds of thousands of people weren't showing up at Kerry rallies and lining up at the polls early to vote for *. No way.
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kokomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 11:55 PM
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12. Let's get those 10,000 lawyers to work!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:01 AM
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17. YES, YES!
Tonight, get them in there before the absentees disappear between now and Thursday.

And why Thursday?
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OnceAndFutureTruth Donating Member (173 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:05 AM
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22. Yes! What is that about? It seems so peculiar. Why Thursday, indeed.
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ydya Donating Member (215 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 11:55 PM
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13. KICK!
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phish420 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 11:57 PM
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15. KICK
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:00 AM
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16. Yes, Minnesota matches the exit polls quite well and matches
up with what everyone expected when broken down by regions and urban/suburban/rural.

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RadiDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:05 AM
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21. NO DEFEAT, NO SURRENDER ! WE HAVE JUST BEGUN TO FIGHT !
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socalover Donating Member (359 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:01 AM
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18. Why were we told the stock market lost all gains today as Kerry might win?
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:04 AM
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19. Bookmark this:
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sir_arms_50 Donating Member (126 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:05 AM
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20. thanks for the link!
good work all
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Kerry in 04 Donating Member (232 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:07 AM
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23. THIS NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT UP TO THE MEDIA.
!!!!!!!!!!!
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_NorCal_D_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:11 AM
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24. Kick!
:kick:
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IthinkThereforeIAM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:12 AM
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25. Kick...

...eom
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yazsir Donating Member (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:12 AM
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26. kick
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TransitJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:12 AM
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27. kick
:kick:
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Mandate My Ass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:13 AM
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28. Hell no we won't go
No surrender! this ain't close to over.
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Kitka Donating Member (488 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:17 AM
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29. kick
:kick:
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JPace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:18 AM
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30. We are hearing nothing from Kerry about what he is going
to do. I hope he had a plan in case this happened....
surely they guessed this could happen. Rove is a
lying thief, everyone knows that.
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independentpiney Donating Member (966 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:18 AM
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31. kick nt
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trag Donating Member (286 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:20 AM
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33. Kick!!
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:20 AM
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34. kick
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sandboxface Donating Member (337 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:25 AM
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35. Florida Wont Be Called Till November 12th
Florida Wont Be Called Till November 12th
Due to an absentee ballot screw up of criminal proportions, Florida will not be called until Nov.12.

The problem is the over a million people who requested absentee ballots well in time, but FL did not mail them out until Sat. Oct 30. There is no way people could get them, vote, and mail them back by the deadline.

The ACLU has already sued, and the news is reporting that they have WON, to allow absentee ballots until Nov. 12, which is the deadline for overseas absentee ballots.

Even Rep pundits said there is NO WAY it was acceptable or just a glitch for the ballots not to be mailed until Sat.

www.airamerica.com
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:27 AM
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36. The whole fishy mock apology from
CNN about how we all wish that exit polling were more accurate.
But frankly, it worked better in 2000 when the system 'failed'.

This will election will not be as easy to steal, and the first one was horribly destructive on American society.

This is the most dangerous period America has ever endured, including the Cuban Missile crisis.
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Shadoobie Donating Member (904 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:28 AM
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37. Huh?
Edited on Wed Nov-03-04 12:31 AM by Shadoobie
I looked at the exit poll results for Florida and women were shown as voting 50-49 for *. Did the numbers change?

Greg

Editted to add that the numbers for Ohio looks like Men (47% of vote) %2-48 for Bush and Women (53% of vote) 50-50.
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IdaBriggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:41 AM
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38. Total Kick for Us Winning!!! nt
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ydya Donating Member (215 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:45 AM
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39. KICK!
BUSH OUT OF OFFICE
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neomonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:45 AM
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40. 99, great work
Thanks for that breath of fresh air. Right now it is so easy to fall into a rut of despair, but this info is empowering. Fuck the media, fuck the Republicans, John Kerry must pursue this to its very end. Forget what they say, forget their wrath - CONTEST CONTEST CONTEST.

That is the word of the day.

The possible rewards are great. Imagine uncovering, unearthing the sordid grounds that are the electoral system in Jeb's Florida.
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hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:49 AM
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41. This election is broken.
Worse than 2000.

The ticking time bomb has gone off.

We have a big mess to clean up.

Be strong.
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:50 AM
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42. I agree...we can't give up....
We have to fight it to the last vote this time or there may not be a next time!
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ticapnews Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:51 AM
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43. Ohio: 53% of women voted for Kerry. 51% of men voted for Kerry
Apparently Shrub won the hermaphrodite vote by a HUGE margin.

Another election stolen. Any reason to believe they'll let us win another one ever again?
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:51 AM
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44. I approve this message too.
Best not dismantle the underground, because this "democracy" desperately needs one.
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:52 AM
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45. What can we do about it? As a Floridian I am
depressed, pissed and anguished. HELP!!!!!!!
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RollergirlVT Donating Member (452 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:53 AM
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46. We will not concede this time!
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Kerry in 04 Donating Member (232 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:54 AM
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47. Kick!
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Joe Turner Donating Member (374 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:57 AM
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48. Ken Malhmen (sp) was setting up that Big Lie early in the evening
By saying the exit polling was not matching up with their internal polling created a pathway to Steal This Election.

I just can't figure out WHY the democrats didn't make a bigger deal out of those F'n E-Machines that convienently don't produce hard copy records. I mean it's insane. A programmer, like someone that is used to working on Slot machines, can rig the machine to generate fraudulent results in favor of one candidate and with no paper records NOBODY CAN PROVE IT...unless rigorously investigated....and you all know how that goes.

Senator Kerry don't concede....investigate.
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 01:11 AM
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49. It smelled bad to me too. Kick!
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requiem99 Donating Member (663 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 01:18 AM
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50. ATTN FOLKS: They have CHANGED the exit polls since I wrote this!
COMPLETELY ALTERED THEM. NO SHIT. I don't have screen caps but some other people do. This is big, HUGE. GET ON IT.
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ticapnews Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 01:45 AM
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51. http://ticapnews.freeservers.com/Screen1.JPG

I can't link to the picture, it's a crappy hosting site. But you can go to the link and see the first screen cap.
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merci_me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 01:45 AM
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52. So.......................
the campaign's plush with attorneys. They get a court order for the originals. There are plenty of us here who already saw them and know they exist and will swear to it. Where do I sign?
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FatDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 01:57 AM
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53. They absolutely did change them.
Edited on Wed Nov-03-04 02:12 AM by FatDave
I was working on a spreadsheet calculating the differences. I decided to add "precincts reporting" to the sheet, so went back to the FL page to get that number. Originally they had:

M Bush: 52%
F Bush: 48%
M Kerry: 47%
F Kerry: 52%

<edit>These numbers show Bush with a lead of only 0.14%, which is certainly too close to call and also well below nader's exit poll number of 0.46% (Nader's numbers are not shown here for sake of brevity)</edit>

Changed to:

M Bush: 53%
F Bush: 50%
M Kerry: 46%
F Kerry: 49%

Total voters by sex stayed at 46% M, 54% F.

Reported results showed no change, Bush 52%, Kerry 47%, Nader 1%.

The original values showed a difference of:

Bush: +2.16%
Kerry: -2.70%
Total Difference: 4.86%

The new values show a difference of:

Bush: +0.62%
Kerry: -0.62%
Total Difference: 1.24%

<edit>Nice even numbers now, huh?</edit>

This refers to the values at http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/F...

Now, my only question is is there a possible legitimate explanation for this? Is it possible some exit poll results just came in?

Unfortunately, I don't have a screenshot either.

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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 05:16 AM
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67. this is called "cleaning up the scene of the crime"...... it's obvious
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symphony Donating Member (158 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 02:02 AM
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54. kick!
these people stop at nothing to win - cheating is like a walk in the park to them
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vetwife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 02:28 AM
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55. WAR ROOM WAS SET UP AND THEY DECLARED WAR ON US !
Edited on Wed Nov-03-04 02:28 AM by vetwife
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grace0418 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 02:29 AM
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56. Thank you
I am so fucking outraged I am shaking.
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vetwife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 02:30 AM
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57. Idiot Pat Buchannan said about Kerry ..Be a man..be like Nixon
Don't do this ! Idiot. Its his man thats 1000 times worse than Nixon !
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FatDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 02:37 AM
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58. Has anyone offered any kind of explanation for the changing #'s? (nt)
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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 02:41 AM
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59. So that's why all the hue and cry about "exit polls" from the Repukes
It's all they talked about tonight...how off the exit polls were and how offended they were about it.
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crickets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 03:18 AM
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60. KICK
Please try to start or kick positive or at least thoughtful threads. I see a lot of negativity being thrown around attached to names I don't recognize. Some of it is genuine bewilderment and I apologize if I seem to be tarring all lurkers with one brush. But some of it is planned disinformation and disruption. It might be best to let those negative threads that don't contain useful, hard information drop. Thanks.
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Jasper 91 Donating Member (483 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 04:02 AM
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62. Can I cut and paste this on another site ?
I'd usually just use a link , but there are certain people that I would not like to find out that I use this site , as this provides blessed relief from their insults ?

If you say no , I won't use it . Thanks .
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Zuni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 04:12 AM
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63. kick for everyone to read
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ever_green Donating Member (430 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 04:23 AM
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65. *bump*
It is very fishy indeed....
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mcg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 05:22 AM
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68. kick
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progdonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 06:16 AM
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69. kick
:kick:
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Matilda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 07:09 AM
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70. Kick!
You people deserve better.
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 09:14 AM
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71. kick
:kick:
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gasperc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 09:36 AM
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72. PA returns closely followed the exit poll but near the end
they suddenly contracted to 51/49 WHAT THE FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 09:58 AM
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