Stop The Insanity...

[DemocratSinceBirth]

Poll question: Stop The Insanity...

Osama wants George Bush to win... Repeat slowly... Osama bin Laden wants George Bush to win...


He knew that by dissing Bush on the eve of the election people would rally around Bush...


Why does Osama want Bush to win?


Because Bush is the best recruitment tool Al Qaeda has...


Who Does Osama want to win?

[RafterMan]

1. Kerry isn't going to go on a $200 billion al Qaeda recruitment drive

the next time Osama attacks.

And he's not going to help OBL destroy America.

[steve2470]

2. I sure as hell hope the undecideds and the "soft" voters

understand the unassailable logic of "OBL likes Bush". If Bush wins, damn, I will be sorely tempted to go back into political hibernation.

[Mr_Spock]

5. I really don't believe there are many "soft" voters.

Plus, what fool want's to have his vote influenced by a terrorist!!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

7. That Was Your First Mistake...

overestimating the intelligence of the american voter...

[Mr_Spock]

10. Yes, but the Retards for Bush are NOT undecided. Undecided implies

that they have a brain that can actually make a decision. I personally believe that anyone with a brain could not in their right mind vote for Bush. Heck, I'm registered Independent and have never been polled, I am undecided - NOT!

[kokomo]

3. Check out my signature below from Lord Ivor Roberts........

Bush is a recruiter's dream except for the U.S. military now.

[Shadow30]

4. only time I ever voted Bush.

n/t

[DemocratSinceBirth]

6. I'm Not Smart Enough By Half To Know How This Will Play Out....

but I am sure if you asked the Kerry people they would tell you they would prefer not to deal with this...

[Shadow30]

8. Of course they don't but they will have to...

...at least until Monday.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

9. I Don't Know How This Will Play Out

but commense sense and logic tells you OBL intended to help Kerry by playing the boogeyman four days before the election...


OBL thinks he's picking the next president...

[Shadow30]

11. Well now obl's motives are the real question...

...I mean he might like Bush because Bush has the effect of uniting the Arab world against us,driving them to him.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

12. He Hates Bush I'm Sure But He Knows Bush Has United The Arab World Against

America....

[DemocratSinceBirth]

13. too late for editing- i meant bush...

[RafterMan]

14. Chin up, man

Osama is campaigning for Bush. It can work if we make it.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

15. I Don't Know How It Will Play In Middle America...

The problem with my fellow DUers is that they only talk to other people on the left and get their own opinions shouted back at them... DU is not a barometer for what Middle America is thinking...


Same thing with folks on the right... They listen to Rush, Fox, and Hannity and get their own views shouted back at them...


I'll guess we will see how this plays out on the news this weekend..


Obviously Osama wants Bush to win... He's good for recruitment...


I have one question for folks on the right....

They say the terrorists are scared of Bush...

How can you scare folks who aren't afraid to die?

[RafterMan]

16. I understand.

You are technically correct. Kerry surrogates will have to bring this point home for middle America. Remember, though, that the past two weeks or so have been dominated by a media slanting in our direction. There is a "get Bush" mood that can be exploited.

Kerry is not a softie. I was a Clarkie during the primaries, and I remember the flyer the Kerry people put out in New Hampshire -- scary, ghoulish picture of Clark with vague innuendo about how Republican Lobbyist Clark was going to steal the Democratic party.

It's oddly reassuring now. I don't see the Kerry people sitting around smirking while the election is stolen from them like the Gore people did. And if they can't quite put it over, remember how we grabbed the spin after the MSM called the first debate a draw.

This is challenging, but I'm glad it came. It's like laying all the cards on the table. Deep down, I want America to vote on whether having 2 wars and spending 250 billion dollars just to have Osama mocking us still was a good value. I want to know what America really thinks of that. If the voters can't get that picture, with tough talk from Dems backing it up, what could a president Kerry really do?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

17. I See Your Point...

I was also a Clarkie during the primaries not out of any personal affinity though there is much to admire in the man but out of the opinion he was best suited to beat Bush when strength was the issue....


As to your point that if Americans want a cowardly oaf like Bush running the show they deserve him that seems to me to be cutting off our nose to spite our face...

I think you need a weed and seed approach to terrorism... You need to kill the terrorists and dry up their support, the weed part if you will, and the seed part is you empower moderate leaders while addressing those grievances that can be addressed...

Bush gets a C- for the former and the F in the latter...

We can work for liberalization in the Middle East and a two state solution without throwing Israel to the wolves... To say they hate us for our freedom is the most ignorant kind of reductionism but a reductionism that might seduce at least a slim majority of the American people...

Foreign policy ain't beanbag and this is where I depart from my fellow DUers. America is a superpower with global responsibilities which include keeping the world stable and free for trade... This can be done in a responsible way without giving up our fundamental principles..

[RafterMan]

18. I agree completely

except that I liked Clark for himself :)

"...then they deserve him" isn't quite my point. It's more, "if they can't see the flaw in Bush's (weed only) approach to terrorism when confronted with its stark failure, how wil President Kerry be able to change the dynamic?"

TPM had a great interview with Clark early in his campaign ( http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/002044.php ) in which Clark points out how both Carter and Clinton were driven to a more aggesive foreign policy position than they wanted by rightist think-tanks chumming the waters for populist consumption. If Kerry is to be held hostage to these same forces, what's the point? His NYU speech was crucial for me. If he were elected as being Bushier-than-thou, with no "seed" component, it's like losing any hope of an opposition party. What I'm trying to say is that if Americans don't reject the Bush doctrine in this election, I don't think it matters who wins. I think the Osama tape gives Kerry a chance to say he'd have done better at weeding, as well as seeding.

As to your Pax Americana point, I agree. 70% of DUers may consider me an imerialist, but we have the power and every choice we make -- even the choice of nonintervention and disengagement -- affects the shape of the world. I do not favor self-castration as a solution to this dilemma. I've travelled a great deal and have been constantly surprised at the number of people who want *more* America, not less. Just better reasoned and more just. As you say, this can be done in a responsible way without giving up our fundamental principles.