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requiem99 Donating Member (663 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 08:22 AM
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Something is terribly, terribly wrong.
Slate's tally =

44 votes for Kerry
4 for Bush
1 each for Badnerik and Cobb.

Something is TERRIBLY wrong here. Of those 44 votes for Kerry, a great many of them are Republicans and conservatives. Slate is not a liberal magazine, so if this is anywhere NEAR an indicator of what the population is thinking, how is this percieved as a close race?

I can only think of one, single reason, and it is truly terrifying:

The fix is in, and its going to be in no matter how much of a Kerry landslide it is.

Slate link for those that missed it earlier:

http://slate.com/id/2108714/

Keep this kicked, we need to talk about this.
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BayStateBoy Donating Member (562 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 08:26 AM
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1. Of Course the Republicans Have Rigged the Election
What else could we expect after the experience in 2000 never mind the fact that fraud is the only method by which Putsch can win.
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Kokonoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 08:27 AM
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2. The Media reports it as close.
The fix has always been in. It gets payed to say what "happens".
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 08:31 AM
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3. It's fascinating reading, Saletan's is a laugh:
William Saletan, Chief Political Correspondent: Kerry

Here's what I wrote about Bush when we disclosed our votes four years ago: "He's shallow, obtuse, and proud of it. He's disdainful of reflection and indifferent to work. ... Congress can restrain either of them, but a president can catastrophically botch a foreign policy crisis all by himself. I trust Gore in that situation. I don't trust Bush."

Looks like I was wrong about Congress.
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colonel odis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 08:32 AM
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4. my guess is that the fix is in. cheney's already stated 52/47, bush.
they've had four years to work on the infrastructure, etc., and make sure there's no possibility that anything would reflect a kerry victory.

more than likely, we'll be stuck with it, then have to deal with a bush second term ourselves.

if bush is elected .... err, appointed or whatever ..... it won't be pretty. the right is already floating scenarios of liberal-induced riots. because they know there'll be a nation of very pissed off people. and given what can happen in those situations, they may want to reconsider and let bush step down and head into the sunset.

2 million people converging on washington and shutting the place down should scare the crap out of them. especially since there aren't enough soldiers, cops, or guardsmen to keep people from taking the white house if they choose.

economic boycotts directed at specific campaign contributors will hurt the people who have paid good money to have laws written in their favor. you don't want those guys pissed at you, either.

the supreme court justices are old and feeble to begin with, and aren't used to being surrounded by guards. but if they do in the coming months what they did four years ago, there's a good chance they'll need to be.

i would never lift a hand in violence against the government. but i can't predict who might.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 08:34 AM
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5. We don't need to keep this kicked.
Edited on Wed Oct-27-04 08:37 AM by Bleachers7
Step away from the keyboard and relax for a while. Everything is fine. The fix isn't in and if it was, Slate wouldn't know. BTW, they endorsed Gore 4 years ago. 4 of them endorsed Bush. The rest Gore or other.
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 08:35 AM
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6. The polls are just that skewed. Old methodologies are invalid. No fix.
Junior is toast. Burnt toast. :evilgrin:
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requiem99 Donating Member (663 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 08:39 AM
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7. I want evidence there is no 'serious' fix. Links/editorials/something
Because I haven't seen anything so far this year to prove otherwise. Just a community of pissed off people locally,(and I live in fucking KY, the heartland of Bush country... SUPPOSEDLY) a nation of pissed off people in the newspapers, and a whole WORLD of pissed off people on the internet.

The only places where reality seems to take a vacation are Bush rallies and the mainstream media.
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 08:41 AM
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8. Eh, that's no indicator.
Journalists do tend to be more liberal than the average person (mainly because they are more informed, I like to think). Journalists of an online magazine probably even moreso.

That's how Repukes get off claiming the media is so liberal. Nevermind that editors, publishers, and owners (the people who actually choose what gets printed) are OVERWHELMINGLY conservative!
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endnote Donating Member (645 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 08:42 AM
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9. There is no fix. Repugs could not fix their own dinner.....
let alone a national election.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 08:53 AM
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10. they fixed the last one
Jeb Bush and the Supreme Court.
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 09:05 AM
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11. It has to be close for them to steal it.
KERRY IN A LANDSLIDE! KERRY IN A LANDSLIDE! KERRY IN A LANDSLIDE! KERRY IN A LANDSLIDE! KERRY IN A LANDSLIDE! KERRY IN A LANDSLIDE! KERRY IN A LANDSLIDE!
KERRY IN A LANDSLIDE! KERRY IN A LANDSLIDE! KERRY IN A LANDSLIDE! KERRY IN A LANDSLIDE! KERRY IN A LANDSLIDE! KERRY IN A LANDSLIDE! KERRY IN A LANDSLIDE!
KERRY IN A LANDSLIDE! KERRY IN A LANDSLIDE! KERRY IN A LANDSLIDE! KERRY IN A LANDSLIDE! KERRY IN A LANDSLIDE! KERRY IN A LANDSLIDE! KERRY IN A LANDSLIDE!
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Senior citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 09:05 AM
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12. Yes, something is terribly wrong--a nation divided.

There is the possibility that Kerry could win the popular vote in a landslide, but still come out a tie on the electoral votes, due to BBV fraud, in which case the election would be thrown to the House, where there is a puke majority. I believe that such a situation would lead to civil war, as I doubt that a majority of Americans would care to see their wishes totally disregarded twice in a row.

Kerry is not the type to say, "Oh well, in a spirit of bipartisanship, I'll just accept the results of a rigged election and let the majority who voted for me suffer the consequences." He's a Senator, remember? He has worked with those corrupt pukes for years and he knows them for what they are. He also knows what they've done to this country. He has never backed down from a fight before. Last time the election was stolen, only anarchists took to the street, because everyone else needed a leader and there was none. This time things are different.

President Kerry is already aware that he has the majority of the popular vote, and, barring BBV fraud, enough electoral votes to win. So he already plans to declare victory early, and has teams of lawyers ready to fight each and every attempt at stealing the election. But with a partisan Supreme Court, he also knows that you can't count on the just-us system to do the right thing. He is a seasoned combat veteran and war hero, and is surrounded by people who have also fought for this country and are ready to do so again. We are not going into shock in the event of a terrorist attack or an assassination. We will not stand numbly by and let the vicious and illegal tactics of immoral war profiteers destroy our country.

Unless we have free and fair elections, the sine qua non of democracy, we will have civil war. If the robocops of the state squash us, we will die fighting for freedom. But enough of them have been called up to the reserves and sent to Iraq, or had their budgets slashed, or have come to understand the truth of 9/11, that many will be on our side. They are voting with us, and they will fight with us. Nobody wants civil war, but a second stolen election can end with nothing else. It is very simple. Either we are a free country, or we must fight to regain our freedom. Liberty or death.

But I don't think it will happen. Very few pukes have ever fought for anything. They are bullies, cowards, and spoiled brats. My guess is that they'll take one look at the size of the turnout and the popular vote, and take their offshore tax haven money to places without extradition treaties, like most tin dictators do. We cannot bring back the innocent people they've killed, or every fully compensate those who have been tortured, and we'll probably never regain the trillions they've looted from the national treasury, but I do think there's a good possibility that one day they will stand trial in the World Court for war crimes. I think the chimp's last official act in office will be to close the airports while he and the Iran-Contra felons in his administration are flown to Saudi Arabia. I think THAT fix was in prior to 9/11.



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michigandem2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 09:05 AM
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13. my perception is...although maybe naive
is that this will be a surprise...that the "fix" won't even work because it will be a blowout and nobody knew what hit 'em..except people like US!
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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 09:06 AM
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14. This is almost the same thing they all wrote four years ago
Bush may have lost one or two votes on that staff.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 09:20 AM
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15. Slate....
.. readers are hardly representative of the average American, not even close, not even on the same planet.

They can't fix a sandwich. They are going to steal a few votes here and there but they are not counting on the several point margin that Kerry is going to win by.

Everything will be ok, just wait another week.
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milkyway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 09:33 AM
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16. Anybody that works for Slate is part of the reality-based community,
whether Dem or repug, liberal or conservative.
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