What's with the latest Zogby polls???

[Andromeda]

Could somebody explain why Bush is ahead in most of the polls in the battleground states? This is shocking. I'm having a real hard time believing that more people want Bush instead of Kerry.

I watched a couple of minutes of Scarborough which is two minutes too long and the states they showed had Bush ahead in all of them. What's going on with these damn polls?

Is the average American so ignorant, so intimidated and consumed with fear that they have completely lost their senses? Don't they have any critical thinking facilities?

These polls are just driving me crazy. :crazy:
And they are making me soooo mad! :nuke:

[Was_Immer]

1. "Is the average American so ignorant..." Answer: YES very very much so

[novadem]

2. I guess we either have to believe

that Zogby is full of it or we still have a lot of work to do.

[tritsofme]

3. Zogby state polls aren't worth your time

I'll tell you that whether he shows Kerry leading or loosing by 10 points.

But if his national tracking poll doesn't start following Rasmussen and the WaPo pretty soon, then its time to get concerned.

[jadedcherub]

5. is rasmussen good?

[tritsofme]

8. I'm playing wait and see with Rasmussen

He blew 2000 horribly in bush's favor.

I think he has the most to prove out of any major pollster out there.

His numbers have mostly been good for looking at trends, if for no other reason than the sheer volume he puts out.

[kokomo]

4. I didn't see this much support for Gore in 2000 and he WON!

:kick:

[Sean Reynolds]

6. Compare Zogby's state polls from Sunday with Monday....

The difference is quite striking. Which tells me they're very unreliable. The Zogby poll has Kerry winning Colorado, which I don't think he will win. However he was down pretty big Sunday in Florida and then shot back Monday to tie.

Don't believe those state tracking polls....even if they have Kerry winning.

[DELUSIONAL]

7. These polls don't factor in cell phones and NEW voters

ignore the polls and work to get the vote out.

[novadem]

10. I've heard a lot of talk about cell phones lately...

...I think we have to be careful, I think Freepers buy cell phones too.

[DELUSIONAL]

11. yes Freepers do buy cell phones

http://news.independent.co.uk/people/profiles/story.jsp?story=575620

Gary Hart -- former Senator and co-author of Hart Rudman report which predicted a 9/11 type of attack on the US is quoted by the Independent:

" Gary Hart, the former senator and presidential candidate, has been around politics for a long time. That experience is telling him that John Kerry is going to win the US presidential election when America goes to the polls one week tomorrow.

"It's partly intuitive and partly based on several hidden votes that are not ," he said. "The hidden votes are new registrants who are overwhelmingly Democratic, disaffected Republicans who won't admit to a pollster they are not going to vote for their party, and young voters who are rightly concerned about conscription if Bush is re-elected. And many of those and do not show up in the usual polling."

Contrary to what the polls suggest, he believes the outcome might not even be particularly close. "Possibly not; two points to 48 points sounds close, or if you want to put Ralph Nader in at one, 51-48-1. But three percentage points in a massive electorate is quite a margin."

[JohnnyCougar]

9. I don't think they're that bad.

Bush had a good weekend for some reason, but Kerry seemed to pick it up today on Zogby. When the weekend days drop off the 3-day tracking, the numbers will look MUCH better! Wait and see!

[Lexingtonian]

12. normal taking-out-an-incumbent kind of numbers

You run tied over the end stages of the campaign, with the supporters of the incumbent sure of their vote and the others a bit more hesitant. And practically all the Undecideds end up voting against the incumbent.

This election campaign is more than a little strange and yet terribly typical in other ways. It's really a vote between a diseased/dysfunctional Old Establishment (which is pre-Enlightenment) and an immature but healthy newer formulation of it (which is Modern). That is an emotional vote, really, or one bluntly of your own identity being about the Past or dedicated to the Future.

Truth is, these numbers mean that a second Bush term would suffocate and die with the electorate. (When I wrote that sentence it seemed to work just metaphorically, now I'm not so sure and will let it stand....) That might be why the Bush people are so tepid and depressed right now- even if they happen to win they are exposed as a sham, as dependent on all the dead-enders and grotesqueness and cultists of this society, and they're in over their heads in real problems. The Presidency was going to be the glorification of their kind of people but they realize now that instead they've dragged the office down to their level. Corrupt means desecrate the ends attained.

[ThePhilosopher04]

13. Snapshot polls in a race this tight...

aren't worth much and one can easily cherry-pick a particular result to advance his/her cause one way or the other. Obvious trends are the thing to look for and which way the momentum is headed, particularly in the few days leading up to an election.

IMO, the recent trend has been toward Kerry, who is building up considerable momentum, and I feel very confident we'll being calling him PRESIDENT KERRY on November 3rd.