The brilliance of Clark's cursing.

[ithinkmyliverhurts]

First, let me say, I may or may not vote for Clark in the primary (you can add any candidate's name there with the exception of Lieberman and Sharpton--and I will not discuss here why I won't vote for either of these two men in the primaries).

He knew the freakin' camera was on him. Come on, the guy just stood trial at the Hague, Rhodes scholar, military genius. Look what the subject matter was. The old man asked him how he would respond if Bush sent his cronies out there to slam Clark the way he did McCain. Clark set he'd "beat the shit out of them." If his campaign had a little poltical know-how (i.e., thinking out of the Washington press box--tough since a lot of his people are from Washington) they'd wait for the whores to jump on this and then respond with thunder. Why? 2 reasons: 1) he can talk about the smearing of McCain's wife and child by the Bush campaign. He can say point blank: "you better not talk about my wife. I won't stand for that. She doesn't deserve it. If any man talks about my family the way they talked about McCain's family (add details), I'll knock one of those bastards out cold." 2) With his response, he can seem like a tough guy (face it, America loves this crap) and a family man.

You can fill in all of the details you like with the above narrative. He wants to be called on to respond to his "foul-mouth." That issue will fall to the way-side and the way Bush campaigns will be brought to the fore.

[wyldwolf]

1. hell yes!

Damn straight! Fuckin' A!

[Tatiana]

2. Anyone wanting to take him on should take his comments seriously.

Word is, the General don't play. They better quote him correctly and not "twist his words!" LMAO!

He's clever. And a fighter too. I like that combination. I'm glad he's on our side.

[Bush loves Jiang]

3. You go Wes!

You may be no Dennis, but Canada loves you!

[IranianDemocrat]

4. Do you have a link?

I never heard about this...

[wndycty]

7. Bam. . .

. . .he basically said he will be the sh$t out of Bush. Whooomp there it is!!! We have a winner!!!!!

[TheWebHead]

8. it just aired...

about 30 seconds ago on c-span.. but yeah, the camera was about 2 feet away from him, so he knew what was up. Faux gave him airtime all day because of it, and I don't consider it very damaging to anyone that would have any thought of voting for him. Right wing thugs will find glee in the remark, but he can't get their votes (unless they get laid off and are welcomed to the real world).

[IranianDemocrat]

13. So it wasn't accidental...

...he knew he was being taped when he cursed?

[Jerseycoa]

29. No question

It will repeat at 11PM EST on C-Span1. See for yourself. There's no way he didn't know exactly what he was doing.

[ithinkmyliverhurts]

16. The pubs. aren't the only one's who eat this up.

You'll note this by the positive response on this board. That's my critique of Kerry's campaign. Do you really think a Senator would drop the F bomb in an interview setting and not think it would get play? He knew it would, but his cursing was impotent. I responded ONLY to Bush's policies. Cursing MUST ALWAYS HAVE A NOBLE CONTEXT. Defending one's family, and a fellow soldier, is PERFECT context.

Bush's slam of Adam Clymer last year was the same thing. He wouldn't get hit on it because the narrative was just TOO PERFECT. Bush used everyman's language to describe someone who had been critical, i.e., truthful and revealing, about him. Bush's only mistake was his response: when reporters asked him if he had any regret or was sorry for his words, he should have said, "Yes, I'm sorry Adam Clymer is an asshole." Case closed. Say nothing else. His voting block would EAT IT UP. And he'd tap into the 18-45 year-old male voters (black, white, and hispanic).

[maddezmom]

9. it was today on CSPAN in NH

and just saw it again on replay............it was kickass!! Go WES!

[ithinkmyliverhurts]

10. No link.

I saw it on C-Span. Then, within an hour, my buddy called me and said Faux was tying it to Kerry's cursing. I laughed. Clark's campaign is not as dim-witted as Kerry's.

Please note: I may or may not vote for Kerry in the primary. I'm simply saying that his campaign people were/still are inept.

[Clark Can WIN]

5. Oh god, I'm still laughing

Oh it hurts...............

[Myra]

6. They just now broadcast this on the west coast.

I didn't know what the f*** you were talking about until a
second ago.

:evilgrin:

[robbedvoter]

11. Agreed. Didn't go to badly when he said "Rush is full of s*" either

First he got a lot of "cool" points here - then he made the whiners look bad , and within days Rush's s* was exposed by the cops anyway. That remark was made at a fundraiser in NYC - went around the internet within hours and established Clark as the guy who doesn't mince words.
This one (today's) is part of that proactive, strong defense he was talking about. They are warned. Friends of Shelton, Cohen - you too!(you know who you are and in which campaigns you are "volunteering")

[BootinUp]

12. I just saw that

I love it!

And you better take his words straight! And not play politics with our soldiers!

[Zech Marquis]

14. of course he will

Clark's an ex Army general who's been to war several times--he wILL stand up and fight the rethugs toe to toe! He's not another Holy Joe in any sense of the word.

[wyldwolf]

15. Just one more quick comment...

down south where me and Wes are from, it's called cussin'!

Cussin' is when you curse and really mean it!

[ithinkmyliverhurts]

18. Cussin' in the South.

I thought that was a prom date.

Or is that cuzzin'?

Joke people. Laugh.

[wyldwolf]

20. That's cuzzin'

And my cuz is an A-1 HOTTIE!

[ithinkmyliverhurts]

22. What's his name?

Again, people, it's a joke. I'm sure wyldwolf appreciates it (and has had heard it since grade school).

Unless wyldwolf is a female, then my homophobic joke falls flat. Furthermore, wyldwolf would then have to be a lesbian because the word choice and syntax in her (probably his) sentences are exceptionally masculine (yet another trait of the southern man--sing it Neil; and please, so respond Lynard).

Cheers, wyldwolf. If sometime you and I ever run into one another, the Bourbon is on me.

[wyldwolf]

48. Bobbie-Sue

... Bob or Sue for short.

[Kahuna]

60. LOL! I laughed. Now...

will you support General Clark? :7

[Myra]

17. But but but, what if Bush calls him a "potty mouth"?

It was hilarous when he tried to do that with Kerry.
And Kerry pointed out that Bush had called a NY Times reporter
"a flaming asshole" and certainly hadn't expressed remorse.

[robbedvoter]

28. Unfortunately, I've seen a lot of hand wringing about it

Dems need to be taught to fight. And Clark is just the guy to do it!

[dsewell]

19. Can we get a button made?

A Wes Clark version of the second Carter button here?

[robbedvoter]

24. You are a genius! I'd proudly wear it!

In fact I recently gave Clark the following button:
DEMOCRATS
have
BIGGER
and BETTER
inaugural
BALLS.
He got it and appreciated it!

[Clark Can WIN]

80. Here's your button !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Merry Christmas :-)

[5thGenDemocrat]

105. Heck yeah

I'd wear one.
John
Like that's a surprise around here.

[robbedvoter]

21. here's an account from my blog (based on the videotape):

http://robbedvoter.forclark.com/?rate=1&sid=2003/12/20/12545/873&op=displaystory&pid=&rating_11=5#11

[BootinUp]

23. So Fox does watch Clarks campaign!

Just saw this clip on Fox

Amazing, I was starting to think they never covered him on the campaign trail.

Anyways, I think people that are tired of dirty smearing lying politics can certainly understand the sentiment that Clark expressed.

[robbedvoter]

26. They were there. Clark asked about CNN (media question)

and found out it was Faux. "That's OK, he said. I've been there. I love arguing with those guys"
Glad they give us more "cool" points by whining about it.

[tishaLA]

36. Yes and Fox was appalled that Clark said

he is Jewish, too, when a woman asked him about Israel. He says shit AND he's a Jew! Quick Roger Ailes! Give me the memo so I know what to think.

[Kahuna]

63. A news<sic> crew from Faux attended the event..

nt

[Egnever]

25. So now its brilliant to curse for attention?

What a wierd world some Clark and Kerry suporters live in.

:eyes: :eyes: :eyes:

[Rose Siding]

30. Well, it's fun but....

Imagine how Rove would contrast a clip of the monkey in front of the UN with a Dem threatening to "beat the shit" out of someone.

[5thGenDemocrat]

106. Trained Chimp @ UN vs Threat of a Smackdown

Um, still gotta go with Wes on this one.
John
Bush and his boys need a good smackdown.

[Jerseycoa]

31. Did you see it yourself?

Just curious.

[Redleg]

32. Yes, damnit.

I see your point. I thought Clark' response "I'll beat the shit out of them" was spontaneous rather than planned. I don't believe he made that statement in a calculating way.

[robbedvoter]

33. hey, we can't all be as classy as "picking buckshot out of my rear end"...

Just trying to keep up...;-)

[NashVegas]

47. Haha

I find it no small irony that some of the people are cheering on Clark and Kerry for their cussin' are the same people who claim to be worried that Dean doesn't think before he speaks.

I don't mind it, myself.

[BootinUp]

50. And I can understand

and agree that there is an irony there. I guess it comes down to how it plays with the public and will the republicans try to make an issue out it. I am not to worried about it.

[NashVegas]

62. Aye

It's going to be a damn interesting primary season.

[Jerseycoa]

54. If you think

Clark was speaking without thinking, think again.

[QC]

34. I was wondering when someone would chime in

with the Victorian spinster routine.

Not very long.

[Egnever]

38. I am by no means Victorian

But then cussing isnt fucking brilliant either.

[sandnsea]

97. If you are trying to break down "Victorianism"

Crazy Christian Fundamental Conservatism; then cussin' here and there is absolutely fuckin' brilliant. Gawd I'm tired of the phony religiosity in this country.

[madrchsod]

37. it`s called reality

it`s the real world and sometimes you just have to say naughty words to get your point across

[ithinkmyliverhurts]

39. Let's parse your sentence.

First, I'm not a Clark supporter, though I may be (but I may support any number of candidates--even Dean).

My subject line said: The brilliance of Clark's cursing. I can really only conjecture as to his intentions (that's why proving the president is a liar is always so difficult). That's why "brilliance" is noun supplemented by the predicate "to be" ("is) that is equates it with "cursing," a gerund, which is a verb (+ing) that acts as a noun. You've changed everything into a verb, with the exception of "brilliant," which is an adjective, and modifies "it," but your readers have NO idea what "it" refers to. Why is turning "cursing" into "to curse" (the infinitive case) important? Because now you only focus on HIS deed, and you make it an issue about CLARK. You have an obvious investment here. You support Dean. Others who liked my post may support Clark. But the intention of my post was on the action itself, not the act or the actor, but the ACTION. Hence, this is why I used the gerund "cursing" and the noun "brilliance." It takes all emphasis off of Clark and HIS act and places the emphasis on the action (which is why the choice of the gerund is so sublime here)--"action" from a semiotic point of vies collapses the distinction between the grammatical noun and verb; in other words, it is both person, place or thing, and a deed.

Please note: this post was composed out of pure boredom.

[Auntie Bush]

64. You must be an English teacher n/t

[Bread and Circus]

59. Yeah, we live in a weird world were the Dem Party electorate..

wants to put a guy (Dean) up against Bush who promises to raise
everyone's taxes and has no foreign policy experience...
(aka "a recipe for general election disaster")

What a strange world indeed... :eyes:

[Egnever]

71. Obviously you have looked no further than the spin

Deans does not stop at just repealing the taxes. It just makes an easy soundbite ridiculing bushes tax cut.

My economic policies for America are based on four fundamentals:

* Repeal the Bush tax cuts, and use those funds to pay for universal health care, homeland security, and investments in job creation that benefit all Americans.
* Set the nation on the path to a balanced budget, recognizing that we cannot have social or economic justice without a sound fiscal foundation.
* Create a fairer and simpler system of taxation.
* Assure that Social Security and Medicare are adequately funded to meet the needs of the next generation of retirees.

I know what it takes to generate economic growth. As President, I will work tirelessly to put the American economy back on the road to prosperity not just for the favored few, but for all.
http://www.deanforamerica.com/site/PageServer?pagename=policy_statement_economy

Finally, we must reform our tax system. When I am President, I will work to repeal the top heavy Bush tax cuts, and replace them with a system that is fairer, and simpler, and places less of a burden on working Americans who live off their paychecks.
…
http://www.deanforamerica.com/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=7343

[SahaleArm]

104. A fairer, simpler tax - Where's the details?

Why not make the tax system more progressive than just repealing the whole Bush tax giveaway? What's he going to cut to balance the budget? The numbers won't allow him to add many programs.

[Kahuna]

67. It beats lying about one's positions for attention..

nt

[Egnever]

92. I would have to agree

I would much rather he said shit than lie about his political party.

[mikehiggins]

87. You're right

It's called the world of "Grown Up" where you don'tharp on every syllable spoken by someone you don't like, like a kid in a school yard.

Oooo, teacher!!! He said doo-doo.

Go Forth, knave, and getteth thyself a life!

[Egnever]

91. the world gets wierder!

Oooo, teacher!!! He said doo-doo.

Isn't that exactly what this post is doing? Besides of course calling it brilliant.

I like cussing as much as the next guy but again I dont see it as brilliant. Especially when running for president. I didnt think it was brilliant when Kerry did it either.

[Jerseycoa]

27. I'll tell you what

He put them on n-o-t-i-c-e with that one! He will simply not take it, so don't even try it, right?

Go Wes!

[Egnever]

40. And if they do

He can just say Fuck you!

[SahaleArm]

51. Better than thank you sir may I have another n/t

[Kahuna]

69. LOL! You mean, the way Al Gore did?

:evilgrin:

[Jerseycoa]

85. Again, did you watch it?

It's coming on again 11:15 PM EST C-Span 1. Let us know what you think once you've actually seen the thing, okay?

[madrchsod]

35. after reading the article

in buzzflash this week about why blue collar males love bush could this be why karl is scared of clark? yes, you`re right about the tough guy and family man stuff- little georgie was a fuck`n "sissy" boy in college, he certainly wasn`t a macho blue collar guy....

[Tom Rinaldo]

41. It was brilliant, it was spontaneous, and Clark knew who would hear him.

It wasn't a set up by Clark to "get attention". Some guy walked up to Clark as he was working his way through the crowd on the way out of the room, and asked him point blank, with a fair amount of emotion I might add, if Clark could would let the Republicans smear not only Clark but Veterans too with the ugly things they through at McCain in the last Election, and the guy gave specifics.

Clark nodded as he listened and made a pledge to that guy that, yup, he "would beat the shit out of them" if they tried. Perfectly in context, like saying you would "beat the shit" out of the first thug who tried to victimize your kid sister. Clark knew the mike was on but he didn't care and that is EXACTLY the point. He wasn't staging an event. He was telling the truth. Clark confronted Millosevic, he's not afraid of Rowe and he's not afraid to say so in no uncertain terms.

[MIMStigator]

58. He's setting them up so he can talk about Bush's McCain smears

eom

[Spazito]

42. For those who missed CSPAN, you can go here and see the

pancake breakfast and the "beat the shit out of them" context.

http://www.us4clark.com/mediaclips.html

Edited to correct the quote

[Tom Rinaldo]

52. Here's another thing about context

Which will be lost on those who just pick up the sound bite and the buzz from the media. During the regular question and answer session Clark was anything but macho. Clark does not posture. Clark does not smirk. Clark seemed as proud if not prouder about helping to negotiate a Peace in Bosnia as he did about winnnig a war in Kosovo. Clark said something to the effect that "One thing I've learned is that if you go out there looking for a fight you will find someone who will fight you. If you go looking for a war you will find someone willing to shoot at you."

When asked about Russia and Chechyna he was eloquent about the futility of the war there, after giving a brilliant short summary of the issues at play in that civil war and their roots. He said it was a conflict that could not be resolved by force, it had to be negotiated and that Russia was stuck in a failed mind set. Clark also talked about having helped mediate the end of a short armed dispute between I think Peru and Ecuador (I may well have the nations wrong) over some remote area. He said he asked some of the Generals why they resorted to fighting and got some rhetoric at first until one finally admitted "the diplomats ran out of ideas, so all they could think to do was have us fight it out."

Most of his time Clark talked about domestic issues, a lot of the time it was about education. He stressed the futility of America leading the world in the rate of prison incarceration. He talked about the dignity of having a good job. He was NOT presenting himself as a get tough war President, though he did present himself as a leader who would protect the people of this nation and see to our well being.

When Clark acts tough it is when he needs to be tough, then and only then. But when that happens, watch out.

[Donna Zen]

107. Great Wes 101 today

I really didn't understand the souce of the Chechyna conflict until this morning. Wes breaks into...well in 1945...

Clark sees most conflicts as a failed mindset, because wars are a failure of diplomacy. That is why it is so important to begin the business of reweaving the fabric of world cooperation and international relations.

I've tried to figure out a million times exactly who is this man Wesley Clark, and have put together a few pieces of the puzzle. I would be interested to hear what you have to say.

First, a few weeks ago there was a discussion on Charlie Rose with Vidal about the framers of the Constituion and who was the smartest. Along with going through the list, Vidal made the point that what is so amazing is that there were so many brilliant men living at the same time in the same place.

These were men of the Enlightenment, a new breed of Renaissance person, whose appearance at a singular moment in history changed everything. Vidal said that there is no such thing occuring at the moment and people of this quality are rare.

The second observation or puzzle piece, came from the Hardball interview in answer to Matthews question about a favorite philosopher. Clark mused over this one, before answering--and I paraphrase--"Well, I've taught them all...I guess Plato...or David Hume...yes, I've done a lot with David Hume."

David Hume, an Enlightenment philosopher.

Yes, I do think that Clark could have played with the big kids, he is a new Renaissance man. Thinker--check Science--check World Affairs--check Man of Action--check Liberal---check Scholar---check Athlete--check

The greatest personal treat for me during this campaign--which is otherwise rather revolting--has been Clark's appearances, which are less like the run-of-mill collection of platitudes, and more like a running semenar. I love every second of Wes 101.

[TLM]

43. It is not Clark cusing that worries me, but his violent mentality...

the man is brutal and that's how he thinks you solve problems...

"Clark set he'd "beat the shit out of them."

That might work in the military... but we have a little different set of standards in civilized society.


This is not like Kerry saying Bush f-ed up... this is a violent physical threat. Teh man is dreaming about violence and retrobution as a means to solve problems.

This is EXACTLY why this man has no business near the whitehouse.

[BootinUp]

46. He doesn't need his fists

to beat the crap out of them

I think if you really think Clark would resort to physical violence in a political campaign then you are unable to discern peoples meaning very well. This was a threat, make no mistake, but he can beat the shit out them with his brain he doesn't need to use his fists.

[TLM]

66. I do not think that he would physicaly attack someone...

but my point is that this give us a look at how he conceptualized the solving of a problem.... he thinks in violent terms.


THat's not good.

[SahaleArm]

72. You see what you want to see n/t

[SahaleArm]

49. Metaphor alert n/t

[robbedvoter]

53. Oh, the gentle HD supporter is shocked, I tell ya!

This is too rich for words!

[TLM]

68. Not shocked.... I expected no less from Clark.

He is a military man who thinks in terms of violence and murder as solutions to problems.

This is how his mind works. Violence is how he conceptualizes success.

In Clark's mind victory is a by product of violence.


I would also be troubled if Dean said he wanted to beath the shit out of somebody.

[IranianDemocrat]

81. Dean supported the Afghan war.

Not everyone is a pot smoking pacifist.

[Clark Can WIN]

84. Perhaps in response to the attacks against him Clark........

Should have gone skiing. :toast:

[Tom Rinaldo]

57. How 'bout that for a coincidence?

I was writing my last post while you were writing this one it seems. Mine is longer because I actually described what Clark really said and how Clark really acted, it seems you were reacting to a sound bite putside the context of his full appearance. Anyway that's exactly what I wrote about, you might check it out if you have any kind of open mind. Better yet, actually watching the event would be a better way to check out your theory of Clark's brutality. I will warn you that it did take place at a VFW Pancake Breakfast, and Clark did have some buds there.

[Tatiana]

61. He can verbally beat the sh*t out of them.

I think it's as silly to accuse Clark of being violent as it is to say Dean is a cult-leader that wants to convert the masses.

[TLM]

70. Clark is violent... you do not get to be a general in the army

without being exceptionally skilled at the application of violence to achieve a given goal.

While that might work in the military... it does not work in civilian leadership.

Which is why we have a civilian government separate from the military.


I think we got a look at the real man behind the hype for a second… a violent and brutal man who thinks beating the shit out of someone is how to achieve victory over them.

[SahaleArm]

74. Try the application of diplomacy - Think Dayton

But then again I'm speaking to a General-TLM so I'll stand aside for you wonderfully snide analysis.

[Tatiana]

77. So Clark is lying then...

When he says that the use of force is a last resort and can be seen as a failure because conflicts should be resolved through diplomacy if at all possible.

You're mistrustful of him because he comes from the military. You are entitled. However, I'm a product of four generations of military service. I don't think attaining the position of General in the military means one is violent. It means one has leadership ability, strength, and decisiveness among other things.

[wyldwolf]

78. How many generals have you known?

...and how many broke your heart?

[Myra]

89. Samantha Power lauds Clarks humanitarian record in Pulitizer Prize book

"The man who probably contributed more than any other individual to Milosvevic's battlefield defeat was General Wesley Clark. The NATO bombing campaign succeeded in removing brutal Serb police units from Kosovo, in ensuring the return on 1.3 million Kosovo Albanians, and in securing for Albanians the right of self-governance.

Yet in Washington Clark was a pariah. In July 1999 he was curtly informed that he would be replaced as supreme allied commander for Europe. This forced his retirement and ended thirty-four years of distinguished service. Favoring humanitarian intervention had never been a great career move."

Samantha Power, "A Problem from Hell: America in the Age of Genocide."

[Tom Rinaldo]

96. I guess you prefer to not to talk about the other Clark comments I cited

Or to actually watch the event yourself. When you are literally talking about Clark's role as a Genreral, we usually wildly diaagree about his record and its implications, but at least the context we are referring to is roughly recognizable.

I find it amusing that so much of the original lure for Dean, what gave me a favorable impression of him in fact, was that everyone believed that Dean would not take any shit from Rowe, and that he would fight back if the Republicans attacked him. Finally someone who could beat the Republicans at their own game! Dean supporters and many other Democrats just love that about Dean.

But that Clark is a mean and brutal guy, we all heard about him physically threatening someone on National TV. Do you think Bush should get a restraining order out on Clark? Heck, I think the Secret Service should just lock Clark up right now.

[Kahuna]

73. Oh, fiddle dee dee. The Monster!

:eyes:

If you think Clark is scary, you are very easily scared.

[IranianDemocrat]

79. Poop

Let's all bash all the candidates! Hell lets do ALL of rove's work for him!

[mikehiggins]

88. Know what I like about your repeated attacks on Clark, TLM?

I suspect that they reflect an actual fear that your candidate might yet go down in flames and lose it all.

There are several people from other camps who do that, and its sort of like getting bashed by Bush. We used to be dismissed, now we're attacked. It really is a good sign from where I'm sitting.

Please, sir, can I have some more?

;^)

[Donna Zen]

100. Do you ever take the time...?

To read what Wesley Clark has to say?

To read the post above yours?

To watch the townmeeting?

Because if you do, then our lens on the world are certainly preceiving two entirely different Clarks. Just as our Founding Fathers advocated for and fought a Revolution, they also sat down as men of reason to write a Constitution. The truth is you are far less likely to become engaged in a war if the country was lead by Clark than if we are lead by_________________(fill in the blank with someone's name who has never seen a battlefield or bled through a uniform.) Presidents without the proper credentials tend to get manipulated by a pushy Pentagon.

Clark is advocating for peaceful diplomacy for resolving problems.

I have no idea why Clark swore today..."shit" is hardly the end of civilization as know it, and he was talking shit to a veteran. Whatever happens will happen. Personally, I think John McCain should have done something about what bushco did to him. I sure as hell wouldn't be smiling and in the same party with the bastard. So if bush wants to get his ass kicked metaphorically speaking, he is now on notice.

[retyred]

44. Not bad

How many here would've loved to say the same thing for less, and have?


retyred in fla
“good night paul, wherever you are”
So I read this book

[Blue_Roses]

45. I must have missed

this. What are you talking about? Link?

[robbedvoter]

55. here's an account:

http://bestofblogs.forclark.com/story/2003/12/20/12545/873

[laruemtt]

56. christ! what kind of an

alternate reality have we woken up in that all the talking heads have the time to dissect this little 4-letter word while the world is at war and 2 1/2 million people are out of work in this cold winter and the hole in the ozone is getting bigger etc etc etc. i'm losing my mind....what's left of it....

[ibegurpard]

65. Too late!

Kerry beat him to the punch with the use of gratuitous profanity.

[JVS]

75. It kind of reeks of desparation

Maybe Clark will be polling worse than Sharpton in a couple of weeks :-)

[mikehiggins]

90. Only if you didn't bother to look at the actual tape

Relying on the cable for the truth is a fools game, JVS.

Watch the tape and watch how the conversation goes on. Most real Democrats and ABBers should be heartened by the blunt truth, not terrified that the boogeyman will call us names.

[Tom Rinaldo]

93. Oh Oh

I can just see the coming legal battle over trade mark infringement of cuss words. I guess the first person to say one gets the copywrite on it, or something to that effect.

[MoonRiver]

76. He said what any loving father and husband would say when asked

how he would defend his family against vicious mad dog political attacks. Give 'em hell Wes (hell meaning the truth of course :D).

[demgrrrll]

82. They count on us being afraid. When Bush and Cheney called the

reporter a major league asshole their response wasn't
apologetic. In fact Cheney's response "big time"
became rather popular in ordinary conversation as I recall.
We need to stop being so damn scared about what other people
will think. That is what bullies count on, that they will be
able to intimidate the person into admitting they were "wrong"
and beat up on them. If we are going to win we need to start standing up for ourselves.

[Jerseycoa]

83. Just to point out the setting

A VFW hall in New Hampshire. He was talking soldier to soldier, veteran to veteran. Do you all (not you, saywhat) sincerely believe Americans, whose children are now dying in wartime, are going to give a shit? They will cheer him.

[BootinUp]

86. Fox is playing this every half hour

So it won't take long to see if it has a negative or positive effect!

[Myra]

94. Seriously? Are you actually subjecting yourself to Faux Jim4Wes?

Talk about taking one for the team. Phew.

[BootinUp]

95. It's tough

But I sorta only look at it with periphal vision so I don't go blind...:)

And even then I could only take it for a little over an hour, its off now. Thanks for caring...B-)

[mot78]

98. Should've seen the Faux whores

they're trying to compare it to what Kerry said in Rolling Stone (which seems to have been done on purpose by Kerry just to get young voters) Clark's use of SHIT was accidental, just like when * called a reporter an ASSHOLE.

[Myra]

99. Too funny. I think this is the most popular thread today.

The way to a 'Merkan's heart...

:evilgrin:

[QC]

101. It is funny, seeing all these folks who sing the praises of anger

suddenly turn into Nellie Olesen when the wrong candidate displays a bit of it.

Who says irony is dead?

[Jerseycoa]

103. Good on you, Myra

That should get them out of here fast! :evilgrin:

[kerry-is-my-prez]

102. Well I guess we've got Clark, Dean and Kerry (and Bush) all in the

same boat. Will Edwards and Geppy be next?

[Donna Zen]

108. Clark is on record saying "shit" in RollingStone.

It went something like this...Dems are in favor of a clean environment...Republicans just say "shit happens."

One of my favorite potty mouth lines from the General.

Can you imagine being on camera this much and never swearing?

[davsand]

109. He's a General--what do you expect?

My word--do some of you have any idea what the military IS? It is not a tea party, and those guys are not exactly Vanderbuilts. As I recall, several other Generals in our history were noted for a "colorful" vocabulary. Clark uses "shit" in a conversation with a guy in a VFW and now we all have to dissect it?

I realize that it is now a volunteer army--kinder and "gentler"--but the DIs now probably STILL use bad words... I bet the Generals still do too.

I am not a Genral, but said Shit earlier today--and it didn't make it on the local news. I bet some of you have said it too in the last 48 hours.

I'm kinda enjoying seeing a Dem with some backbone.

Laura