Poll 2 - anybody but

[bain_sidhe]

Poll question: Poll 2 - anybody but

I screwed up the last one, I thought the "anybody but" would appear above the poll, so here's the new one...

I've made no secret of the fact that find the level of acrimony between candidates' supporters disturbing. I think it will cost Democrats far more in the election than it gains our candidate in the primary. So, here's a poll to give myself a reality check. (I admit I might be seeing problems that really aren't there.)

If my candidate is NOT the nominee, I'll vote for ANYBODY BUT:

[bitchkitty]

1. Regardless of who is the nominee -

I won't vote in these silly polls anymore.

[Richardo]

2. If Clark is not nominated, I'll vote for any other Democrat - even Joe.

I think you need "Bush" as a choice.

Richardo

[Lisa0825]

5. I'll second that

I refuse to say I wouldn't vote for a Democrat no matter what.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

25. Yep! But until then I'll pray that the nominee is Clark/Kerry/Edwards/Gep

n/t

[jeter]

3. What about Anybody but Bush?

n/t

[mmonk]

4. Any over bush

[bain_sidhe]

8. Didn't include Bush

because this poll is meant to gauge how much animosity towards our candidates is being generated.

[maddezmom]

14. maybe if it said:

who will you have to plug your nose to vote for if they were the nominee? :)

[mmonk]

15. My animousity is not great enough

to not vote for any of them should any of the candidates become the nominee.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

6. I'd vote for Dean if he's the Dem nominee; I'd vote for a dead squirrel

if it were the Dem nominee.


That doesn't mean it would be a good idea for us to nominate a dead squirrel.

[maddezmom]

7. again same answer....I'll vote for the nominee

Anybody But bush

[kayleybeth]

9. Bush

I'm solidly with Clark in the primaries but if he doesn't get the nomination I will vote for the Democratic nominee.

[rucky]

10. No Butts but Bush

No ifs, ands or buts about it.

[Padraig18]

11. I'll vcote for a ham sandwich before I'll vote for Shrub!

ABB!

:dem:

[_NorCal_D_]

12. ABB

This is a divisive and unnecessary poll bain_sidhe.

[Lisa0825]

13. I'm happy to see so many writing in Bush!

[bain_sidhe]

19. you think so?

This is a divisive and unnecessary poll bain_sidhe.

I think the constant attacks on candidates are divisive and unnecessary. We can argue issues and promote our candidate with out calling the other candidates slimeballs, flip-floppers, republicans, and gott knows what else. This poll has borne out my suspicions - the candidates with the highest "anybody but" numbers are the two candidates whose supporters most frequently attack the other candidate.

**edited for somewhat more clarity...**

[Clark Can WIN]

16. Anybody but Braun?????????? LOL

Those anybody but Braun people have been really disruptive on DU.

[wryter2000]

20. Yeah, really

Who on Earth could oppose CMB?

[NoPasaran]

17. Anybody But Bush

I am for my candidate but I am not against any of our candidates (although there are one or two I like a whole lot less). Come November 2 I would vote for the proverbial Yeller Dawg.

[GOPBasher]

18. Mine is Anybody but....

Bush.
I'll vote Dem if they run a can of spam.

[CWebster]

21. Isn't it telling

That Dean supporters are always grilled, their loyalty suspect and what have we here? What have we here...

That should put the kibosh on sock puppets and calls to the blogs for reenforcements... Or a trips back to the home blog to report on the latest anti-Dean strategy.

[bain_sidhe]

26. This is NOT about loyalty oaths

It's my cry in the darkness... "Why can't you SEE..."?

Yes, I'm frustrated, and maybe this poll was ill advised, but ...well, why can't you SEEEEEEEEEE

That when Dean supporters trash Clark, they're hurting DEAN!

That when Clark supporters trash Dean, they're hurting CLARK!

It's not that MOST supporters won't vote for the other candidate, it's that every time we make ONE supporter so angry they'll REFUSE to vote for the candidate whose supporters trashed their candidate, we're just GIVING a vote to Bush. And even if they vote, how HARD will they work for the other candidate? It's the one street left uncanvassed, the one call left unmade, the one check left unsent... all because the voter is harboring hard feelings because of the trashing supporters of the eventual nominee gave their (losing) candidate.

But, tell you what, I'll alert on my own poll, and leave it to the moderaters to decide whether it should be removed or not.

**edit: left a word out**

[CWebster]

29. Is that a fact? In this particular case it is NOT a loyalty oath

but the fault of those bad uncooperative Dean supporters who don't fall in line to salute the General and would think to ask all those inconvenient questions, bringing up uncomfortable issues of concern to progressives...Except, of course, when the Dean supporters are singled out, called on the carpet and subject to poll after poll to declare the loyalty and bullied for their lack of allegience.
This is a progressive website? Somebody pinch me, an administrator defending a ABD movement and you are pleading with the posters for greater tolerance?

[bain_sidhe]

32. Did I not say *BOTH*?

Well, since the moderators decided not to lock this thread, I'll answer...

but the fault of those bad uncooperative Dean supporters who don't fall in line to salute the General and would think to ask all those inconvenient questions

It isn't ME that gave Dean nearly twice as many votes as Clark. I'm just as unhappy - no, MORE unhappy - that Clark supporters engage in bashing, because I feel they're hurting MY candidate.

I know nothing about administrators coming out for ABD, and I don't support ABD myself. But, I'll tell ya, I've been tempted on occasion. And who's pleading for "greater tolerance"? You can do what you want. Bash away if it floats your boat. I'm just pointing out that the bashers are hurting their OWN candidates by doing it. If you feel that's directed at you, maybe it's your conscience saying it. It's certainly not me.

[iowapeacechief]

22. Anybody but...

Bush

[tom_paine]

23. Is EVERY POLL a battleground for Clark/Dean feuders?!?

How can we be expected to help Restore the Old Republic when we can't even save ourselves.

I'd like to think the poll is heat-of-the-moment posturing. Frankly, I happily support EITHER Clark or Dean! And support either one with my cash, with my time...

If these and the other Clark/Dean flamefest indicate a trut, well then we are doomed before we start.

And THIS time, the Emperor may actually win by himself (I am convinced that a 10% Democratic Victory would result in a "dead heat" too close to call, if you know what I mean) in addition to the cheating...in which case it will be a landslide.

That's why Uncle Karl predicted a 7% Bushevik landslide in 2000. He assumed the nation was equally divided and so their "cheats" would be the margin of victory. I think he was stunned that they were so far behind that even WITH the nominal cheating they had STILL had to steal the election.

But I have gotten off on a tangent. I just wanted to say that the crazy Clark/Dean Flame Wars that often spill onto polls like these are discouraging and depressing.

And I am hoping that poll is patently false.

[indigo32]

24. forget this

I'm a Democrat.

[ochazuke]

27. This poll is a great argument for Edwards

I think Edwards is the second choice of many Democrats. If he is acceptable as this poll indicates, he could emerge as our best candidate.

[arewethereyet]

34. everything that comes up is a great argument for Edwards

solid, well thought out plan from day one, a naturally engaging speaker with virtually nothing to attack.

Everyone likes this guy. Kind of like how everyone liked Carter and CLinton twice if you get my drift !

[KaraokeKarlton]

28. I won't vote for Clark

The more I learn about him the more he looks like another Bush to me. I don't know but I'd rather stay home and risk 4 more years of Bush than risk a potential 8 years of someone I suspect will be just as bad, if not worse. :shrug:

[ozone_man]

30. Me too.

I will vote Green or Independent if Clark wins, but would vote for Kerry or Edwards if they are the nominees and certainly Kucinich, my number two candidate. Gephardt and Lieberman, I don't know.

The problem that I have with Clark and to a large extent Lieberman is that it does the Democratic party a diservice to have a Republican type Democrat stifle the potential left shift in the party that we need. Worse, I fear that they will largely carry out the PNAC for the neocons.

[arewethereyet]

35. if he actually believes that he can guarantee no attacks, oh geez

I would not have believed a Rhodes scholar could be that foolish.

[AntiCoup2K4]

31. AB-PNAC

I will not vote for anyone who supports the PNAC agenda or has PNAC'ers on his campaign staff.

[bhunt70]

33. Clark supporter will vote ABB!

[mzmolly]

36. I see the Limbaugh listeners are here. Welcome ... and ... enjoy

:toast:

[bain_sidhe]

39. Huh?

What Limbaugh listeners??? I'm soooooo confused now! :crazy:

[burning bush]

37. ABF

Anyone But Fascists

Sorry Bush

Sorry Clark

No New Ceasars

[Walt Starr]

38. This poll seems divisively familiar

B-)

[JohnKleeb]

40. Wheres Bush

[RetroLounge]

41. Wow, over 100 people on DU who will help elect Bush*

How fucking pathetic...

ABB

[LWolf]

42. Well, Bush should definitely be a choice

in the poll. You'd see a different result.

But I beg to differ. A vote for someone other than Dean is not a vote for Bush. If the dems choose to nominate a divisive candidate, and don't get voters' backing, we made the choice. As a matter of fact, a vote for anyone else at this point will help make sure we don't have to make that choice come November, or face that consequence.

And yes, if I have to, I will vote for the doctor. I am any democrat over bush. I just respect the rest of the party's right to vote their conscience, where ever it leads them. Even if it leads them to Dean.