Watch for "Churchillian Moment" Wednesday

[ewagner]

When I take the time to sit quietly and think things through some things become perfectly clear and vivid.

It occurs to me that Dubya and his handlers will see Wednesday night as a last chance to reach tens of millions of viewers/voters at one time before the election. They need to use the opportunity to shore up their leaky (image)boat and Karen Hughes won't miss this opportunity to project her dream (delusional) image of George W. Bush.

More than any other person, Karen is responsible for the legend of Dubya. In a large sense, she created him. She altered and spun his past to create a legend that didn't exist and still continues to spin him as the greatest statesman of not just our time, but of any time. If she is controlling the talking points for Dubya, there is little doubt that she will try to shore up his image and cast him as a statesman at the same time.

I expect something like the "blood, sweat and tears" speech on Wednesday night. Look for historical quotes or tear-jerking patriotism from Dubya. He has been losing the race with Kerry on looking presidential and will try desperately to win some of that ground back. If he can pull it off, look to see Karen on TV telling us that it was Dubya's finest hour. If he can hold his temper.

Any comments.

[DuctapeFatwa]

1. Do you think he will call for gassing Afghans and Kurds?

[not systems]

2. Only for the uncivilized tribes.

Churchill is a poor hero for anyone.

[ewagner]

4. How many people know that?

I think most Americans are ignorant of Churchill's flaws and only see him as a hero..

with the exception of course of the really well-informed denizens of DU!!!!

[Jim Sagle]

6. Churchill RRRRAWWWWWWWWWKEDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[not systems]

12. Leave it to you to defend the indefensible with passion.

Churchill may have had his moments in World War II
but he was a plain and simple racist advocating the
use of chemical weapons against the Kurdish people.

http://www.sheffieldagainstwar.org.uk/articles/britain-reserves-the-right-to-bomb-niggers/

Winston Churchill was also fully aware of the need for Britain to control the "uncivilised tribes" that threatened British control over major economic sources, shipping, minerals and so on. "Recalcitrant Arabs" he called them. Churchill who had become Colonial Secretary after the First World War decided that an impoverished Britain could fight by different, cheaper means. So he gassed the Kurds. He despised the "squeamishness" of those who "objected to poisonous gas against uncivilised tribes." He used airpower that was just emerging to drop mustard gas on the Kurds, as he extolled, "spreading a lively terror." Perhaps the most damning statement by Churchill was that in fact the gassing of the Kurds was "as experiment.""

[Jim Sagle]

13. "Churchill may have had his moments in World War II"

No shit, Sherlock.

[not systems]

14. Churchill thought Hitler was great in the early days...

they agreed on alot of things.

[Jim Sagle]

16. Churchill changed his mind. Rather decisively so.

[not systems]

18. Agreed. But not about Africans and Arabs who...

believed should be subjugated.

[Jim Sagle]

20. His beliefs "about Africans and Arabs" are not what he is known for.

He is known for helping kill the Nazi death machine. I salute him for that.

[not systems]

22. I salute that too.

What he is known for is not all he was and did, unfortunately.

[davidjhorrell]

17. "Had his moments"

Yeah, he did. More than you'll ever have. Honestly, garbage like this makes me hope the only people visiting DU are already sufficiently plugged-in not to be put off the Dems by the loon fringe.

"Had his moments". Give me a break.

[not systems]

19. The truth is he was flawed by racism...

not to unusual for his or our time but the truth none
the less.

He spend most of his life subjugating Africans and Arabs
but did play a decisive role in crushing the greatest evil
of his age.

[ksoze]

3. Agree...

The only good feedback Bush has gotten in the debates is when he talks about the families of the soldiers he puts in harms way. There is no question, he will find a way to discuss a fallen family, by name. and create a teary moment for him ()and Karen).

[leftchick]

10. well if he trys that, I can only hope....

he slips in an OB/GYN moment as well! :)

[kentuck]

I think he will revert back to his first debate performance..

making faces and darting eyes...He will continue to be on the offensive because he is offensive. Kerry simply needs to slap him down. For example, "No, Mr pResident, we are not safer. You are not being honest with the people. You took no responsibility when you had been on vacation for more days than you were at work on 9/11. You have created more terrorism. You have made America weaker. You should be fired..."

[leftchick]

11. Do you mean blinky*??

Yeah, bring it on blinky*!

[Fed Up]

5. This debate is supposed to be strictly on domestic issues.

The 3rd debate and they're still going to talk about Iraq? WTF.

[RunningFromCongress]

8. As soon as you talk about Homeland Security

you can talk about Iraq and it's effect on it; which is only good for Kerry at this point.

Kerry's biggest weakpoint will be his voting to remove certain weapons back in the 90s. Kerry needs to be clear and make sure to clearly say that Cheney was on the same side as him then.

[Supersedeas]

7. Agreed-unless * has total collapse, the spin will be 'finest hour'

[underpants]

9. If W doesn't bring Osama on stage in chains he might as well stay home

Regardless the spin will be how great and PRESIDENTIAL he looked.

[jean]

15. the little man will come right out and say I'm just like Churchill from

long ago - trouble is his base is so dumb it won't score with them and all the rest of us will just laugh.

[info being]

21. I don't think he can pull it off

I don't think he can portray tear-jerking patriotism like, for example, Reagan did. That's why he's gonna lose.

To pull that stuff off, you have to be an idealist.

[brooklynite]

23. Don't forget, this is the domestic policy debate

Bush may have limited opportunities to brings this sort of this up, other than by completely ignoring the question. My expectation is that he goes for a strong "family values" message (stem-cell research, abortion, etc) every chance he gets.

[fob]

24. I have a tangential theory that the unitelligible bush* is an act (if not

entirely at least played up in great part) and it has all been cover for one moment (october surprise?). Tomorrow's debate would be a strategically opportune place to drop that act and have a lucid bush* suddenly appear. They have gotten an enormous amount of mileage from the affable doofus persona and they wouldn't need to pretend in a lame duck second term anyway, so this is the time to pull out "President" bush*, don't ya think?

The meds kicked in halfway through the last debate and he calmed down quite a bit, but still sucked enough to keep the doofus alive.

Imagine the reaction of the bush*loving media, He's not only dreamy, He's *gasp* Presidential!!

gag me with bush*s cokespoon.

[shivaji]

25. If it was'nt for Churchill, the whole European continent would be speaking

German and perhaps most of the world. Hitler had amassed the strongest military, ahead of all other nations at that time. Churchill awakened the world and especially the United States to the gathering threat of Nazi domination. The rest is history.