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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 01:04 PM
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I need some help on a bit of 9/11 research
I have read in several places that the court transcripts from the trial of the bombers in the first WTC attack discussed plans to use airplanes as weapons. This was, I think, around 1994. I can't remember the name of the guy, and I don't have enough specific data to do an effective google search. Can anyone point me in the right direction?

I'm trying to bat down this "No one could have suspected such an attack" crap. Thanks in advance for your help.
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DulceDecorum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 01:12 PM
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1. You came to the right place
Paul Thompson has a timeline with a LOT of info. It is a good place to start.
http://www.unansweredquestions.org/timeline/

Here is a rather condensed version of some of the warnings.
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/jan2002/sept-j16.shtml
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 01:18 PM
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2. Got it
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Carni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 01:24 PM
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3. See if you can snag anything here...
http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:XNsMIqWBAesJ:groups.yahoo.com/group/themanisreport/message/285+bombers+first+WTC+1993+discussed+plans+to+use+planes+&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

To run further searches on
(it's a cached URL and it mentions a lot of instances of pre warnings going back as far as 1993 after the first bombing)

Sorry I didn't have too much luck!
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Nicholas_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 01:26 PM
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4. Try this.
Ramzi Yousef, and Eyad Ismoil, were the first two convicted and then
a list of related articles from findlaw might help:

http://dir.yahoo.com/Government/Law/Cases/1993_World_Trade_Center_Bombing_Trial/


Yousef did not testify that I know of that they planned to fly planes into buildings, but he himself was involved with a plot to bomb a dozen planes flying over the pacific simultaneously:

On February 26, 1993, a massive bomb exploded in the parking garage of the north tower of the World Trade Center building in New York City, killing six people and leaving a crater six stories deep in the building's basement floors. The mastermind of the bombing, Ramzi Yousef, later boasted that he had hoped to kill 250,000 people. Two years later, Yousef was involved in a plot to bomb a dozen US airplanes flying over the Pacific.1

Yousef's bombing plots gave rise to the notion that a new form of international terrorism had emerged that was not state-sponsored, but said to consist of "loose networks" of militant Muslims, not backed by states.2 Yet, as The Washington Post recently noted, "some critics have disputed this approach, contending that rogue nations like Iraq have managed to slip intelligence operatives in and out of bomb conspiracies, leaving the FBI to chase and catch the small fish that the skilled men left behind."3

http://www.meib.org/articles/0106_ir1.htm


Saddam was behind trying to sponsor this attempt to bomb the dozen airplanes.

My real concern about the current trial is its focus on Afghanistan or Iraq when the real problem was that they k ew that there were terrorists HERE, and did not actively raise the level of watching people they knew were in the United States and had contactys to terrorist organizations. It is well known now, and was known then that only one person had the full details of what was the entire plan was for 9/11 and tat person was floating in and out of the United Statess regularly. Mohommed Atta. In fact if you remember the tapoes of Bin Laden that were found in Afganistan and this is validated. Bin Laden and others are talking and laughing about how most of those they recruited for this mission did not know they were of a suicide mission. There is also considerable evidence that they were tracking Atta while Clinton was in office and then when the Bush justice department killed "Catcher's Mitt" the program that Clinton started
to monitor the activities of AL Qaeda agents in the United States after they were chastised by a federal judge when they asked to wiretap approval to tap Al Qaeda operatives. They could have continued operations as already existed, but after they were denied the wiretaps, they severely cut back the program.

All of this focus on Afghanistan and Iraq is sort of like spraying down the bathroom with lysol after you have caught a strep infection.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 03:42 PM
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5. Results of your help here:
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Bushknew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-04 09:00 PM
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6. "No one could have suspected such an attack"


http://abcnews.go.com/sections/wnt/DailyNews/wnt_missedsignals_1_020218.html


Fact:
Terrorism expert Marvin Cetron gave the military an aerial attack scenario.

Quote:

"You could make a left turn at the Washington Monument and take out the White House. And you could make a right turn and take out the Pentagon."

Fact:

Quote:

Terrorism expert Marvin Cetron warned the Pentagon that two events earlier that year Ñ the crash-landing of a small airplane at the White House by an apparently unstable man, and French authorities' storming of a hijacked airliner that Algerian terrorists had planned to fly into the Eiffel Tower Ñ made an airborne terrorist attack on the United States a very real possibility. "We knew that was going happen and we were scared," he told ABCNEWS.

Fact:

Pentagon officials told him to delete the warning from the report. "I said, 'It's unclassified, everything is available,' and they said, 'We don't want it released because you can't handle a crisis before it becomes a crisis, and no one is going to believe it anyhow,' " Cetron said. Even with the warnings of an airborne attack deleted, the report was not released to the public.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-04 10:39 PM
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7. Here's a report from CNN on May 13, 1996
http://www.cnn.com/US/9605/12/terror.plot/

Terrorism trial begins in New York
3 men accused of plotting to bomb U.S. planes


May 13, 1996
Web posted at: 11:35 a.m. EDT

From Correspondent Brian Jenkins

NEW YORK (CNN) -- Jury selection began in New York Monday in the federal trial of three men accused of plotting to bomb 11 planes headed for the United States on a single day in 1995.

Ramzi Yousef is charged with masterminding the plot. He also will be tried later this year, accused of planning the bombing of the World Trade Center in 1993. Four men are already serving life in prison for that crime.

The alleged plot was discovered in the Philippines in January 1995, when a fire broke out in a Manila apartment 200 yards from the Vatican's embassy, a week before the arrival of Pope John Paul II.

Police were shocked by what they found inside: a smoking mixture of explosives in a sink, street maps and garments like those worn by the Pope's entourage, suggesting a plot to kill the Pontiff.

They also say they found computer disks containing detailed plans to blow up U.S. airliners.

The alleged plot involved leaving bombs on flights that would take off from Tokyo, Seoul, Taipei, Hong Kong, Bangkok and Singapore.


Vince Cannistraro, former director of the CIA's Counter terrorism Division calls it, "Extraordinarily ambitious, very complicated to bring off, and probably unparalleled by other terrorist operations that we know of."


more...



At one time, the actual transcripts from the trials were available on the internet but I believe that they have since been removed. I'll poke around and see what I can find.

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