Who Killed John O'Neill part II

[DrDebug]

Continued from: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Who Killed John O'Neill

Who needs a plane?

An Updated MIHOP

Who did 9/11? A question we all want to know answers to.
Meet the CIA of the 21st century. Privatized, independent and hidden from view.

• AIG as Money Laundering Inc.
  
• Marsh Crisis Consultancy as Terrorism Inc with Osama bin Laden played by Paul Bremer
  
• Kroll as the privatized CIA Inc.
  
• al-Cokeda as the Drug dealers in the Flight school who are later called terrorists in the OCT
  
  
• Learn how they all work together.
  
• Learn how they make fortunes on 9/11 with insider trading.
  
• Learn how sophisticated psyops ops and black ops is.
  
  
• Learn what the government and the OTCers don't want you to know

Video + previous discussion: (it is better if you watch the video first)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Journal:
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/DrDebug

The video
Ty Rauber made it and it has one actor playing all the parts -a conspiracy theorist, a paranoid "they're after us" type, an OCTer, a philospher and they are all discussing 911-it's kind of like this forum. He ties Kroll, CIA, AIG together, speculated that Kroll is a sort of privatized CIA, running on drug money but able to do what the CIA can't because they aren't allowed. Some of this relates to the Hopsicker story.

Why are these Kroll types anti terrorism experts; where do they get the information? Then they show how people move between these corporations and CIA . Doesn't spend a lot of time on the hows and why's of the actual day, more about drugs insurance companies/ CIA and the piece de resistance -what Al Qaeda really is and what Mohammed Atta's function was, his opinion will make a lot of sense as to Atta's behavior.

This is all for the same video , I gave different links in case some didn't work:

http://www.wkjo.com

http://whokilledjohnoneill.com

Movie Downloads:

http://www.wkjo.com/downloads.html

Mirrors:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-47554496271731...

http://www.archive.org/details/Who_Killed_John_ONeill

al-Cokeda
Iran-Contra II

How the 9/11 flight schools were being used for narcotics trafficing to finance black operations like 9/11 which was covered up by labeling the drug dealers, terrorists. The drug import just continued after 9/11 as if nothing happened and were involved in the biggest cocaine shipment ever...


Mohammed Atta's girlfriend

Learn about drug planes being used also for illegal CIA rendition, the (hidden) owner of the flight school committing insider trading on 9/11, scams with non-existing companies which miraculously produce DC-9s, and much more...

In dedication of the top anti-terrorism expert of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, John O'Neill

Summary:

Ownership:

American International Group = Maurice "Hank" Greenberg

Marsh & McLennan = Jeffrey Greenberg

Ace = Evan Greenberg (not featured in the story thus far)

Bear Stearns = Alan Greenberg

Kroll always had AIG as shareholder and is currently part of Marsh.

Possible teams for 9/11:

October 11, 2001 Marsh established specialized terrorism team called Marsh Crisis Consultancy
The following teams were added to it: Control Risks Group, a British ex-SAS team and Versar homeland defense team. The same group could have known each other from 9/11

Kroll has military team in their company and merged with Armor Holdings on August 23rd thus adding Defence Systems Limited, another Private Military Corporation, to their operations, an ex-KGB team called Alpha Firm was earlier acquired by Defence Systems Limited.

That makes at least four teams which could have been used on 9/11.
Additional teams from the military could have been used as well.

They had the means to do this.

Marsh had full control on WTC1 where they occupied all floors.

Marsh had the top floor of the WTC2 "impact" and could have worked their way down, however the main occupant was Fuji bank with whom AIG did a lot of work and also featured in Iran-Contra.

WTC7 contained a CIA office and Kroll and AIG are very closely related to the CIA and it is very likely that Kroll is the privatized version of the CIA

The Pentagon was of course under their own control.

They had the opportunity to do this.

AIG/Kroll/Marsh are closely connected to the Bush administration, to Henry Kissinger.

AIG/Kroll/Marsh are also closely related to the Intelligence Community.

AIG/Kroll/Marsh capitalized on 9/11 and it was good for their business.

AIG was laundering drug money for al-Cokeda.

AIG was involved in the oil and gas line to Afghanistan

There is reason to believe that the Taliban either cut back on the drug trade or that they went into business for themselves. Either way the flow of heroin from Afghanistan was drastically limited.

Greenberg and Khasshogi had a business relation and benefited for the narcotics from Afghanistan and had interest in the oil and gas line as well

The Greenberg family and the Bush family are partners in fraud.

They had motive to do this.

Objectives:
There are main objectives to 9/11 and additional subgoals persuded that day. The main objectives are:
1. Enabling the war in Afghanistan
2. Bush administration gets an enormous popularity gain
3. Enabling Homeland security
4. Oil and drugs in Afghanistan
5. Massive insurance fraud
6. The missing trillions of the Pentagon
7. Added later: War in Iraq (not part of the original plan. See below )

Sub goals:
1. Making Silverstream software owned by Marsh the standard risk software by inviting all experts over the whole world to Windows of the World and eliminating competitors.
2. Cantor/eSpeed was the #1 company in electronic bond-trading and suddenly Kyoto Mo takes over.
3. Some of the companies who survived were in some sort of problems which gets solved.
4. Massive destruction of evidence in the Enron scandal, the price inflation fraud for Silverstream, the WorldCom scandal many other scandals.

9/11 and Iran-Contra
There are many similarities between 9/11 and Iran-Contra. One could even say that the same blue print was used and the terror event added as a quick justification of their goals

Objectives of Iran-Contra:
1. October Surprise: President Ronald Reagan and Vice President George H.W. Bush
2. Guerrilla warfare in Central and South America
3. A war between Iraq and Iran

Objectives of 9/11:
1. Madame Butterfly and vote spoilage: President George W. Bush and Vice President Richard Cheney
2. A war with Afghanistan
3. Guerrilla warfare in Venezuela and Lebanon?

Bonuses (W. tries to double H.W.)
4. A war with Iraq

Not in the original plan, however on September 12, 2001, George W. Bush told Richard A. Clarke: "Go back over everything, everything. See if Saddam did this. See if he's linked in any way"
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Richard_A._C...
This is the probably reason why Germany, France and Canada bailed out, because they had given approval for Afghanistan and at least Germany played a part in the Venice scheme.

5. If you can rig one election, might as well take the next one also.
6. Iran? (option or coming soon...)

Why the Pentagon had to be included as well

By Minstrel Boy



They say I shot a man named Gray and took his wife to Italy.
She inherited a million bucks and when she died it came to me.
I can't help it if I'm lucky. - Bob Dylan

(...) At least among those with a mind for such things, it's fairly well- remembered that on September 10, 2001, Donald Rumsfeld made the shocking announcement that the Pentagon "couldn't track" $2.3 trillion of its transactions. "Iroquois" observes, "What's interesting to me is that he made his press release on a Monday. In DC, I always see bad news given on a Friday, usually late in the afternoon on Friday. The exception, of course, would be when someone happens to know that there is a far bigger story coming out."

And we know that Flight 77, allegedly piloted by an incompetent, made an aerobatic, spiralling descent over Washington, effecting a 270-degree turn to strike the Pentagon from a western approach at ground level. The side struck was the only one with an exterior wall hardened against attack, and was relatively empty while renovation continued. (...)

http://rigint.blogspot.com/2006/06/flight-of-capital.ht...

WTC building insurance and ownership
What were the 3 companies who insured the WTC?

AIG, Marsh and ACE. All run by Greenbergs at the time.

They then sold stakes of the original contract to their competition, a process called reinsuring. Once the towers came down, the reinsurers got caught holding the bag.

Who mortgaged the WTC? The Blackstone Group, headed by Peter J. Peterson, current head of the CFR. The Blackstone Group bought into Kroll in 1993 at the same time as AIG took majority control. Henry Kissenger sits on the board of the Blackstone Group.

On July 24, 2001, 6 weeks prior to 9/11 Silverstein took control of the lease of the WTC following the Port Authority decision on April 26. Silverstein owned all the buildings. Later he wanted to collect twice on $3.6 billion of policies because it were two seperate events. Only ACE, XL Reach - strategic partners of AIG and currently owned by AIG - included a WilProp in their clauses, so Silverstein "only" got $5 billion.

Larry Silverstein

Larry "Pull It" Silverstein

"I remember getting a call from the, er, fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, 'We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it.' And they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse."

- World Trade Center lease holder, Larry Silverstein, commenting on the collapse of Building 7 in the PBS documentary "America Rebuilds" that aired in September of 2002.

Or watch a video clip of them here:
* http://pfabf.com/uploads/larrysayspulli.wmv
* http://www.wtc7.net/pullit.html

[DrDebug]

1. Bank of America

Bank of America based in Charlotte, North Carolina, is the second largest commercial bank in the United States, measured in assets, and the third-largest company in the world by the 2006 Forbes Global 2000. The Bank traces its roots back to the Bank of Massachusetts, founded in 1784, making it the second-oldest bank in the United States. (1)

Bank of America (which had been the third biggest banking corporation behind Citicorp Inc.) said Monday that its acquisition of Fleet will give it about 33 million customers and 2.5 million business clients in the United States and 34 countries." The acquisition will move Bank of America to second place in terms of assets behind Citigroup ....and ahead of "J.P. Morgan Chase & Co. with more than $740 billion in assets, according to a ranking published earlier this year by the trade publication American Banker. (2)

9/11
Bank of America had offices in WTC1 on 9/11 and had 2 casualties out of 400 employees which is not much considering that they had offices as high up as the 80th floor. Bank of America was also one of the inside traders on 9/11. (6)

BCCI
BCCI's founder, Agha Hasan Abedi, started the bank in Pakistan in 1972. Abedi had previously set up the United Bank of Pakistan in 1959. Following the nationalization of United Bank in 1971 he sought to create a new supranational banking entity. BCCI was created with capital from Sheikh Zayed bin Sultan Al Nahayan, emir of Abu Dhabi in the United Arab Emirates, the Bank of America (25%) and, allegedly, the CIA. It is claimed that the CIA were seeking a funding route for the Afghan Mujahideen, similar to the Investors Overseas Service and the Nugan Hand Bank in the 1970s. However, the vast majority of BCCI's assets were initially from Abu Dhabi. (3)

The Bank of America became a shareholder alongside Sheikh Zayed bin Sultan al-Nahayan; Kamal Adham, Saudi Arabia's former head of intelligence; and Faisal Al-Fulaij, president of Kuwait Airways; as well as rulers from the different emirates that make up the United Arab Emirates. (4)

From the Forbidden Truth
U.S. Taliban Secret Oil Diplomacy and the Failed Hunt for Bin Laden

By Jean-Charles Brisard & Guillaume Dasqauié

Investcorp Investment Holdings Corp., is registered in the Cayman Islands, and its main subsidiary overseeing international activities, Investcorp SA, is registered in Luxembourg. (5)

Inspired by the movement toward autonomy and the financial emancipation of the Persian Gulf after the first oil crisis - especially in view of large Western financial institutions - Investcorp was established on similar principles to those that led to the creation of the BCCI in 1972. Though the two entities are not in the same industries - the BCCI is a banking institution, while Investcorp is meant to be an investment company - they were both created with the joint support of the Emirate authorities, Saudi investors, and Western banks (Bank of America in the case of the BCCI, and Chase Manhattan in the case of Investcorp) (5)

(...) Five of Bank of America's senior officers were either on BCCI's board of directors or helped to manage Abedi's bank. For the nest decade the two banks would move billions of dollars a week through each other's international offices, and the Bank of America would be an invaluable, if hidden, ally, since it would continue to accept BCCI's letter-of-credit business after virtually no other Western bank would touch it. Indeed, it could be argued that Bank of America became the single most important financial institution helping BCCI stay afloat.

In the United States alone, Bank of America transferred more than $1 billion a day for BCCI until the moment of BCCI's global seizure in July 1991.

(...) Thus Bank of America acted as a sort of global vacuum cleaner, sucking up many BCCI branch deposits and thereby providing the fuel Abedi needed to keep his Ponzi scheme alive.

(...)

http://www.the-catbird-seat.net/BCCI.htm

Enron
Bank of America was one of several banks linked to the fraudulent activities committed by Enron. In 2004, they settled a class action lawsuit brought on by Enron investors, for $69m. The suit specifically claimed that Bank of America had "actively engaged and participated in the fraudulent scheme" and "furthered Enron's fraudulent course of conduct and business in several ways".

Under the settlement, the bank denies that it violated any law and explains that it settled the matter solely to eliminate the uncertainties, expense and distraction of further protracted litigation. (5)

See also:

Where would Jesus bank?
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0407/S00040.htm

Sources:
1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bank_of_America
2. http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=716&e=...
3. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bank_of_Credit_and_Commerc...
4. http://www.the-catbird-seat.net/BinLaden.htm
5. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bank_of_America#Enron_scan...
6. http://www.detnews.com/2001/business/0110/03/b03-308879...

[mirandapriestly]

4. So the World Trade Center

was like a big organized crime hub.

[DrDebug]

6. Sibel Edmonds said the same thing

Is it not the corporations as a whole, but a lot CEOs must have known about 9/11 and used it to their advantage.

Intelligence is also gathered by certain semi-legitimate organizations - to be used for their activities. It really does not boil down to countries anymore.... When you have activities involving a lot of money, you have people from different nations involved.... It can be categorized under organized crime, but in a very large scale....

There are certain points..., where you have your drug related activities combined with money laundering and information laundering, converging with your terrorist activities

http://www.breakfornews.com/Sibel-Edmonds.htm

The amount of people who knew that 9/11 was going to happen is probably extensive and one of the greatest mysteries.

There was a lots of talk that a lot of companies moved into the WTC at the last moment. If somebody has a list of which companies, it'll be a great help. In the meantime, I'll just continue putting up the list of those who knew and what their relation was.

Remember that Enron was the main topic of discussion prior to 9/11 and we were starting to get a sense of the extend of white collar crime and after 9/11 it was all forgotten above. Notice that for Enron, WorldCom, Global Crossing and American Bureau of Shipping there was massive destruction of evidence during 9/11 as well. That couldn't have been a coincidence.

[sabbat hunter]

64. if so many people were involved

how come the truth hasnt come out. the bigger the conspiracy, the more likely someone is to talk about it, either bragging or a confession.

[rman]

66. Many organizations involved

In each organization there are probably several people in the top levels who know enough for it to be revealing if they would talk. But those people were carefully selected and are compromised so that their talking would be to incriminate themselves. Not talking is far more beneficial to them.

In the lower echelons probably some people know something, but not enough for it to be compelling if they would talk. More likely than not they don't even know who's calling the shots.

It is very much like organized crime: a network where everyone knows only on a need-to-know basis, as to provide plausible deniability and security from exposure. And everyone benefits from participating - and from not talking.

Following your logic, organized crime does not exist, because "someone would talk"...

And then look at those who do talk: they're gagged, ignored, ridiculed, marginalized, and sometimes killed.

[Ferry Fey]

123. Who hears about what WTC workers who survived later died from?

And then look at those who do talk: they're gagged, ignored, ridiculed, marginalized, and sometimes killed

There have not been, and will not be, obits saying that this person had worked at the WTC, but survived because their alarm didn't go off that morning and they got to work late. The grunts who do the dirty work rarely will appear on the radar, even in the event of their suspicious demise.

[mirandapriestly]

86. The whole point is

they are interconnected. Also, chain of command, mostly people are doing what they are told. Also, a lot of people who were in the building that day were people who woeren't going to say anything.

[DrDebug]

41. Bank of America and WTC 7

Mortgage bonds held on trade center could be in danger of default

Bloomberg News

Thursday, September 13, 2001

GMAC Commercial Mortgage Corp. of Horsham, Pa., sold $563-million in bonds in connection with a loan to Silverstein Properties Inc., a New York-based property developer, which teamed with Los Angeles-based shopping centre owner Westfield America Inc. to lease the twin towers. The 99-year leasing deal was struck two months ago. There are also $383- million in securities related to a Bank of America Corp. loan involving World Trade Center 7, which also collapsed in Tuesday's attack.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/special/attack/pages/mar...

[DrDebug]

121. WTC 1 and WTC 2. Corporation index

An overview of the companies with links to the different pages. Companies with little or no relevance are not listed. And the lower floors of both buildings were considered less relevant.

Bold = Inside trader
Italic = Victim
?? = Interesting, but too little is known.

Main companies in WTC1
Floor # - Company (tot/vict) - Comment

107 - World Trade Club = Windows on the World (75/66) - Owned several bars/restaurants
107 - Hotel and Restaurant Employees International (277/77)
106 - Windows on the World (75/66)
106 - Hotel and Restaurant Employees International (277/77)
105 - Genuity = L-3 Communications (10/1)
105 - Cantor Fitzgerald / ESpeed (1000/685+125)
104 - Cantor Fitzgerald / ESpeed (1000/685+125)
103 - Cantor Fitzgerald / ESpeed (1000/685+125)
102 - Cantor Fitzgerald / ESpeed (1000/685+125)
102 - Alliance Consulting Group (22/7) ??
101 - Cantor Fitzgerald / ESpeed (1000/685+125)
100 - Marsh USA (1900/295)

 99 - Marsh USA (1900/295)
 98 - Marsh USA (1900/295)
 97 - Marsh USA (1900/295)
 96 - Marsh USA (1900/295)
 95 - Marsh USA (1900/295)
 94 - Marsh USA (1900/295)
 93 - Marsh USA (1900/295)
 93 - Fred Alger Management (36/36) - Used eSpeed

 92 - CARR Futures (141/69)
 91 - American Bureau of Shipping (22/0)
 90 - Dun & Bradstreet (80/0) - Silverstream
 89 - Metropolitan Life Insurance Company (52/2) - Inside trader
 89 - Banco LatinoAmericano de Exportaciones Sud America (20/0) ??
 86 - Trading Technologies (7/0) - Deutsche Bank
 83 - Global Crossing Holdings - Destruction of evidence
 81 - Bank of America (400/2)
 79 - Virtual suite 7967 with for example Buttonwood
 78 - Korea Local Government Center (8/0) - Must have told South-Korea. Just imagine the scandal if they didn't
 77 - Martin Progressive (80/0)
 65 - Boeing
 62 - CARR Futures (see above. This lower floor survived)
 59 - Sidley Austin Brown & Wood (600/1)
 58 - Sidley Austin Brown & Wood (600/1)
 57 - Sidley Austin Brown & Wood (600/1)
 56 - Sidley Austin Brown & Wood (600/1)
 54 - Sidley Austin Brown & Wood (600/1)
 53 - AIG Aviation Brokerage part of AIG
 53 - French Embassy Financial Services - See South-Korea
 50 - Dai-Ichi Kangyo Bank (unk/0) ??
 49 - Dai-Ichi Kangyo Bank (unk/0) ??
 48 - Dai-Ichi Kangyo Bank (unk/0) ??
 40 - Lehman Brothers (618/1)
 39 - Lehman Brothers (618/1)
 38 - Lehman Brothers (618/1)
 37 - Government of Thailand (>9/0) - See South-Korea
 36 - Kemper Insurance Companies part of Marsh
 35 - Kemper Insurance Companies part of Marsh
 34 - Royal Thai Embassy Office - See South-Korea
 34 - Port Authority 3000/74)
 33 - China Daily Distribution Corporation - Nothing is known about the company ??
 32 - Cantor Fitzgerald - See above
 31 - Port Authority - See above
 31 - Empire Blue (1914/5) - Sad story of Abe Zelmanowitz who stayed behind with his friend in the wheel chair.
 29 - ZimAmerican Israeli Shipping Company - Moved out Sept 4. Left some equipment though
 28 - Port Authority
 28 - Empire Blue
 27 - Empire Blue
 26 - Garban Intercapital (675/1) - ??
 25 - Garban Intercapital (675/1)
 24 - Port Authority - See above
 24 - Empire Health Choice = Empire Blue
 23 - Empire Health Choice
 22 - Virtual suite 2201
 20 - Empire Health Choice
 19 - Empire Health Choice
 19 - Port Authority
 17 - Empire Health Choice
 17 - ZimAmerican Israeli Shipping Company
 16 - ZimAmerican Israeli Shipping Company
 14 - Dun & Bradstreet
 14 - Port Authority
 11 - Bank of America
 10 - Bank of America
  9 - Bank of America
  3 - Port Authority

Main companies in WTC2
Floor # - Company (tot/vict) - Comment

104 - Sandler O'Neill and Partners (180/63) - Owned several bars/restaurants
101 - AON Corporation (1350/170)
100 - AON Corporation (1350/170)
 99 - AON Corporation (1350/170)
 97 - Fiduciary Trust Company International (645/76)
 96 - Fiduciary Trust Company International (645/76)
 95 - Fiduciary Trust Company International (645/76)
 94 - Fiduciary Trust Company International (645/76)
 93 - AON Corporation (1350/170)
 91 - Raytheon Company (unk/4 on planes)
 90 - Washington Group International Inc (190/13) - ??
 89 - Keefe, Bruyette and Woods, Inc. (171/63) - ??
 88 - Keefe, Bruyette and Woods, Inc. (171/63) - ??
 87 - NY Department of Taxation and Finance (224/39) - ??
 87 - Corporation Service Company (100/0) - ??
 86 - NY Department of Taxation and Finance (224/39) - ??
 86 - Marsh USA (1900/295 in WTC1)

 85 - Marsh USA (1900/295 in WTC1)
 85 - Harris Beach (113/5) - Represented Gov. Carey
 85 - Keefe, Bruyette and Woods, Inc. (171/63) - ??
 84 - Euro Brokers (285/61 survivors on lower floor)
 84 - Mass Electric Construction Co - Mystery wire expert
 83 - IQ Financial Systems (110/3) - Deutsche Bank
 82 - Fuji Bank (625/9)
 81 - Fuji Bank (625/9)
 80 - Fuji Bank (625/9)
 79 - Fuji Bank (625/9)
 78 - First Commercial Bank (27/1) - Note: small office of a small bank. Most likely unrelated
 78 - Baseline Financial (175/3)

 77 - Baseline Financial (175/3)
 74 - Morgan Stanley (3700/6)
 73 - Morgan Stanley (3700/6)
 72 - Morgan Stanley (3700/6)
 71 - Morgan Stanley (3700/6)
 70 - Morgan Stanley (3700/6)
 69 - Morgan Stanley (3700/6)
 68 - Morgan Stanley (3700/6)
 67 - Morgan Stanley (3700/6)
 66 - Morgan Stanley (3700/6)
 65 - Morgan Stanley (3700/6)
 64 - Morgan Stanley (3700/6)
 63 - Morgan Stanley (3700/6)
 62 - Morgan Stanley (3700/6)
 61 - Morgan Stanley (3700/6)
 60 - Morgan Stanley (3700/6)
 59 - Morgan Stanley (3700/6)
 58 - Dow Jones (900/0)
 57 - Dow Jones (900/0)
 56 - Morgan Stanley (3700/6)
 55 - Garban Intercapital (675/1)
 54 - Guy Carpenter (700/1) = Marsh
 53 - Guy Carpenter (700/1) = Marsh
 52 - Guy Carpenter (700/1) = Marsh
 51 - Guy Carpenter (700/1) = Marsh
 50 - Guy Carpenter (700/1) = Marsh
 49 - Guy Carpenter (700/1) = Marsh
 49 - Seabury and Smith = Marsh
 48 - Guy Carpenter (700/1) = Marsh
 48 - Fireman's Fund Insurance Company (190/0)
 47 - Guy Carpenter (700/1) = Marsh
 46 - Fireman's Fund Insurance Company (190/0)
 45 - Fireman's Fund Insurance Company (190/0)
 44 - Fireman's Fund Insurance Company (190/0)
 43 - Fireman's Fund Insurance Company (190/0)
 40 - Thacher, Proffitt and Wood (300/0) - ??
 39 - Thacher, Proffitt and Wood (300/0)
 38 - Thacher, Proffitt and Wood (300/0)
 36 - Frenkel and Company (180/0) - ??
 35 - Frenkel and Company (180/0)
 34 - Oppenheimer Funds (600/0) = Massachusetts Mutual and not Oppenheimer & Company
 33 - Oppenheimer Funds (600/0)
 32 - Oppenheimer Funds (600/0)
 31 - Oppenheimer Funds (600/0)
 30 - Hartford Steam Boiler = ITT
 29 - Weatherly Securities Corp (60/0) - ??
 23 - SCOR U.S. Corporation (120/0) - ??
 22 - Mancini Duffy (150/0) - ??
 20 - Thacher, Proffitt and Wood (300/0)
 20 - NY Shipping Association (140/0)
 19 - NY Shipping Association (140/0)
 18 - 4 U Services Inc (25/0)
 17 - N.Y. Institution of Finance (65/0)
 16 - National Development and Research Institute (130/0)
 15 - Mancini Duffy (150/0)
 12 - Verizon Communications (400/2) - See: Thomas Kean
 12 - Euro Brokers (285/61 survivors on lower floor)
 11 - Verizon Communications (400/2)
 10 - Verizon Communications (400/2)
  9 - Verizon Communications (400/2)

[DrDebug]

2. Lehman Brothers

Lehman Brothers Holdings, Inc. founded in 1850, is a diversified, global financial services firm. It is a participant in investment banking, equity and fixed income sales, research and trading, investment management, private equity, and private banking. It is a primary dealer in the U.S. Treasury securities market. Its primary subsidiaries include: Lehman Brothers Inc., Neuberger Berman Inc., Aurora Loan Services, Inc., SIB Mortgage Corporation, Lehman Brothers Bank, FSB, BNC Mortgage, Inc., and the Crossroads Group. The Firm's worldwide headquarters are in New York City, with regional headquarters in London and Tokyo and offices throughout the world. (1)

Lehman Brothers Kuhn Loeb, Inc. resulted from the 1977 merger of Kuhn Loeb & Co. and Lehman Brothers. (2) Lehman Brothers is one of the owners of the Federal Reserve and are also co-owners of the Bank of England and the European Central Bank.

History
The largest and most influential American banking house was Kuhn, Loeb & Co of New York. Founded by Abraham Kuhn and Solomon Loeb in 1867, the firm was later directed by Jacob Henry Schiff (1847-1920) who sided with E.H. Harriman in 1901 against J.Pierpont Morgan and James Jerome Hill in the battle for the Northern Pacific. Kuhn, Loeb & Company was related to the house of M.M. Warburg of Hamburg (3), Germany. The main partners of Kuhn, Loeb & Co were interrelated by marriage. (4)

In 1899, under the guidance of Philip Lehman, the Kuhn, Loeb & Co. partnered with Goldman, Sachs & Co., to bring the General Cigar Co. to market, followed closely by Sears, Roebuck & Company. During the following two decades, almost one hundred new issues were underwritten by Lehman Brothers, many times in conjunction with Goldman, Sachs. Among these were F.W. Woolworth Company, May Department Stores Company, Gimbel Brothers, Inc., R.H. Macy & Company, The Studebaker Corporation, The B.F. Goodrich Co. and Endicott Johnson Corp. (5)

Peter Peterson is a former chair/CEO of Lehman Brothers (1973-1977) and former chair/CEO of Lehman Brothers, Kuhn, Loeb (1977-1984). (6) He is currently the chairman of Blackstone Group. (7)

Stephen Schwarzman joined Lehman Brothers investment bank in 1972, eventually heading its mergers and acquisitions unit. In fact, Schwarzman initiated the failed 1980s merger of Lehman with American Express. Schwarzman quit in 1985, co-founding the Blackstone Group with his ex-Lehman mentor Peter Peterson. (8, 7)

9/11
Lehman Brothers had offices in WTC1 with 685 employees. All but one survived 9/11. They were named by the SEC as one of the inside traders. (9)

Sources:
1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehman_Brothers
2. http://www.amdocs.com/hotnews.asp?news_id=123
3. One of the other owners of the Federal Reserve.
4. http://www.raken.com/american_wealth/Gilded_age_index5....
5. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehman_Brothers
6. http://www.concordcoalition.org/home/petersonbio.html
7. From the Port Authority / Larry Silverstein deal and links with AIG as well
8. http://www.tpj.org/docs/pioneers/pioneers_view.jsp?id=8...
9. http://www.detnews.com/2001/business/0110/03/b03-308879...

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3. Bear Stearns. Let's throw in the Ace (Greenberg)

The Bear Stearns Companies, Inc. is the parent company of Bear, Stearns & Co. Inc., one of the largest and best-known global investment banksand securities trading and brokerage firms in the world. The company was founded in 1923 and serves corporations, institutions, governments and individuals. The company's business includes corporate finance, mergers and acquisitions, institutional equities and fixed income sales, trading and research, private client services, derivatives, foreign exchange and futures sales and trading, asset management and custody services. Through Bear, Stearns Securities Corp., it offers global clearing services to broker dealers, prime broker clients and other professional traders, including securities lending.

The former CEO of Bear Stearns was Alan Greenberg, currently chair of the board, and is the cousin of Maurice Greenberg and part of the AIG group of course. (1)

9/11
Bearn Stearns was named one of the inside traders of 9/11. Their stocks were traded 60 times the usual amount as well. (2)

Bush family
Bear Stearns, of course, is where the Bush family, the Cheney family, George Schultz, James Baker, etc. all do business. It is the leading brokerage firm of the great and all powerful Bushonian Cabal. (1)

Harken Energy, Texas Rangers and Clear Channel

by Al Martin

The $7 million that Bush Jr. put into the deal came from the Harken Energy stock fraud. He and his father George Bush Sr. entered into a conspiracy with Bear Stearns and others to artificially manipulate the price of Harken Energy stock, wherein the Bush Family illicitly proceeded to trade their shares "against the box," through the Pilgrim Investment Trust, the Bush Family-controlled Panama-registered investment entity, wherein the price of Harken Energy stock was pumped up from 1-1/ 4 up to 7-3/8 and then dumped all the way back down again. This whole round trip as it were was accomplished in only about 4 months time. By being long at the bottom through the Pilgrim Investment Trust with shares that they had borrowed from Bear Stearns -- by the way. They didn't even put up their own damn shares. It's one thing to commit a scam, but the Bushes added a new twist. They commit scams with Other People's Money. They take it one step further by using OPM to commit the scams. Thus they generate the money for nothing.

So then Bush Jr. takes the $7 million out of the Harken Energy Stock Swindle that he and his father orchestrated with their longtime ally Ace Greenberg, chairman of Bear Stearns. He then invests in a syndicate to buy the Texas Rangers sports franchise. Then Bush becomes part of the general management of the team and proceeds to run the team into the ground, financially speaking. Then he is allowed to sell his interest back to the syndicate, including his shares in Mays Hicks for 4 times what he paid for them. Despite the fact the franchise was worth only half of the purchase price since he had "managed" it . In order to bail the whole deal out, he as governor of Texas then authorizes the expenditure of $345 million of public monies in order to build the new stadium and surrounding complex for the Texas Rangers.

(...)

The syndicate was composed of the Hicks Muse crowd essentially. James Baker was an investor in it and so was Dick Cheney. Then how this ties in to Clear Channel Communications is that Hicks was the regent of the University of Texas, which is another whole scam. This is a scam within a scam. The regents of the University of Texas is an infamous scam.

(...)

Everybody promoted Clear Channel stock then, not only Bear Stearns, but Merrill Lynch and JP Morgan, and they ran it up. They got everybody to promote the stocks. so it got as wide as possible distribution. All these stocks were coming out of Clear Channel, and there was an enormous amount of money coming in with virtually no accountability as to how they have to spend that money. Then they can start paying 2 or 3 times what radio stations are worth just to own them. It was simply for the ownership of the market. It doesn't have anything to do with making any money. And yet the stock, which is now in the 40s, still trades in what is over a 35 P/E I think. It is still considered a high P/E stock.

http://sci.rutgers.edu/forum/archive/index.php/t-23809....

Trilateral scam: Link in the OP

Enron

The Wall Street Journal reports that Bronx lawyer Bernard Glatzer is still pursuing Enron and Bear Stearns over a strategy he says he developed in the late 1980s to securitize natural gas production. Glatzer, who filed suit in New York in 1995, claims Bear Stearns passed the strategy on to Enron and Jeff Skilling. Glatzer hadn't been heard from for several years. He showed up in some New York Times stories in early 2002, after his falling out with lawyer David Boies. Glatzer said he fired Boies after finding out the lawyer was representing former Enron Chief Financial Officer Andrew Fastow.

Glatzer settled with Bear Stearns several years ago, but now claims that settlement was violated, according to the Journal.

Glatzer says Skilling is the only one who knows the answers that can prove his case. If Glatzer succeeds in getting Skilling named as a witness, Skilling's lawyer says he'll try to get the case postponed until after the Enron criminal trial in January.

http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB111810792577952529,0...
Via: http://blogs.chron.com/lorensteffy/2005/06/glatzer_stil...

Sources:
1. http://www.bradblog.com/archives/00002259.htm
2. http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/HEN204B.html

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119. And the other Ace (Ltd.) did not have a good description either

Ace Limited is a property & casualty insurer based in Hamilton, Bermuda. (1). Ace is a part of the AIG family cartel and its CEO is Evan G. Greenberg, son of Maurice Greenberg. Ace should not to be confused with cousin Alan "Ace" Greenberg from Bear Stearns. (4)

Ace plays a minor role in 9/11 since it had part of the reinsurance of WTC and added a very specific and usual clause in their contract called WilProp. (3)

Ace sells property & casualty insurance and reinsurance in the US and about 50 other countries. ACE Global Reinsurance, primarily through its Tempest Re unit, provides catastrophe reinsurance to personal and commercial clients. In 1998 in bought Cigna's property and casualty insurance business for $3.5B cash (2)

Through Ace Global Markets, the firm owns four Lloyd's of London managing agencies. Ace USA provides US commercial and casualty insurance. (1)

Through Ace USA, the company owns ESIS, a risk management services company. (1)

Management

Chairman: Brian Duperreault (5)

CEO: Evan G. Greenberg (4)

CFO: Philip V. Bancroft (6)

Sources:
1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACE_Ltd .
2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIGNA
3. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
4. Biographies of the Greenberg family
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
5. http://www.forbes.com/finance/mktguideapps/personinfo/F...
6. Related to the late Philip Bancroft?
http://www.forbes.com/finance/mktguideapps/personinfo/F...

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5. Citigroup

Citigroup Inc. is a major American financial services company based in New York City. According to Forbes Global 2000, it is the world's biggest company and the most profitable financial services firm. Its formation was announced on April 7, 1998 through a merger of Citicorp and Travelers Group. It was the first US company to combine banking with insurance underwriting since the Great Depression. The company has 300,000 employees and over 200 million customer accounts in more than 100 countries, with total assets of nearly 1.6 trillion USD. It is a primary dealer in U.S. Treasury securities and its stock is a component of the Dow Jones Industrial Average. (1)

One of the ancestor companies is Kuhn, Loeb & Co. (2) They were named one of the inside traders of 9/11 and their stock were traded at 45x the usual amount. (3)

Enron & WorldCom
Citigroup was also accused of helping Enron and other companies hide their losses by loaning money to those companies in a special way that would reduce liabilities visible on the balance sheet. In May 2004 the company agreed to pay $2.65 billion, or $1.64 billion after tax, to settle a class action lawsuit brought on behalf of purchasers of WorldCom securities. (4)

The investigation into WorldCom was disrupted because much of the evidence was in WTC7 which got pulled by Larry Silverstein. Salomon Smith Barney says that back-up tapes of corporate emails from September 1998 through December 2000 were stored at the building and destroyed in the attack. (5)

August 26, 2004
Citigroup Sued Over Enron Scandal
www.cnn.com

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Citigroup Inc. faces a lawsuit from angry investors who allege they were defrauded in a “massive scheme of deception” when they bought securities tied to the credit-worthiness of bankrupt energy trader Enron Corp.

(...)

http://www.the-catbird-seat.net/CITIGROUP.htm

Terror Inc.

October 18, 2004
CITIGROUP’S WORST NIGHTMARE!

A tale of suicide bombers, Saudi princes, cash payments to terrorist groups – and how Citigroup got caught up in all of it.

By Robert Lenzner and Nathan Vardi, Forbes

IN AMERICA’S WAR ON TERROR, cutting of the financial flow to the bad guys is a key goal. But it is a particularly elusive one. Even when a patriotic U.S. bank spots something suspicious, it may be hard-pressed to do much about it.

And so it is that Citigroup, the world’s largest financial institution, finds itself confronting the fact that a bank it partly owned and managed in Saudi Arabia may have funneled thousands of dollars to terror groups and to the families of Palestinian suicide bombers – at the behest of the Saudi royal family.

The allegations involve Saudi American Bank, also know as Samba, the Riyadh-based affiliate in which Citi had a 20% stake. In late 2002 Samba was added as a defendant in a federal lawsuit filed by relatives of September 11 victims against prominent Saudis and charities to which they appeared to be connected.

(...)

Samba, the second-largest bank in Saudi Arabia, with a 12% share of bank profits in the kingdom, earned $383 million in 2003. It was the linchpin of Citi’s close ties to the Saudi elite. The royal family’s Prince Alwaleed Bin Talal al-Saud, the world’s fourth-richest man, owns $9.4 billion in Citigroup stock and a 7%-plus stake in Samba. Samba’s chairman was billionaire Abdulaziz Bin Hamad Algosaibi, who died last year; his family, too, owns 7% or more of Samba.

(...) In still another lawsuit a, the Saudi committee is alleged to have funded – through Arab Bank – suicide bombers and Hamas, the Palestinian group that has claimed responsibility for dozens of suicide bombings in Israel in recent years. That suit, filed in July in U.S. district court in Brooklyn on behalf of eight families of terror victims, alleges that $42 million was distributed to “terrorists and/or their beneficiaries.” ... Arab Bank, publicly traded on the Amman Stock Exchange, denies it.

(...)

http://www.the-catbird-seat.net/CITIGROUP.htm

See also:
Remember Brazil's largest corporate scam. Citigroup was the partner in crime with Kroll.
http://www.forbes.com/2004/07/23/cz_sl_0723brazil.html

VAMPIRES IN THE CITY
http://www.the-catbird-seat.net/CITIGROUP.htm

The Citygroup watch
http://www.innercitypress.org/index.html

Sources:
1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citigroup
2. See Lehman Brothers
3. http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/HEN204B.html
4. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citigroup#Scandals
5. http://www.thestreet.com/markets/matthewgoldstein/10036...

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7. Genesis Intermedia. Adnan, fraudster, arms dealer and drug dealer?

In September 2001 the Saudi billionaire’s company, Genesis Intermedia went belly up. This led to the demise of Native Nations Securities firm and of the StockWalk Group, a Minnesota-based brokerage firm. When StockWalk group was wiped out, it was the largest brokerage firm failure in 20+ years.

Some have wondered if Adnan Khashoggi’s firm was somehow involved in the mysterious stock trades in airline shares just before the terror attacks of September 11, 2001. Rafi Khan was making a lot of money with Adnan Khashoggi's GenesisIntermedia on 9/11. It is also curious that Adnan was behind Huffman Aviation.

The SEC,Adnan Khashoggi, GenesisIntermedia and me

Where could Mr.Adnan Khashoggi be? Why can't the SEC contact Adnan Khashoggi or any other person who opens a public company using U.S. and or Nevada, (Khashoggi used Delaware incorporation I believe, perhaps to give his GenesisIntermedia scam a little more 'class' I guess), incorporation to do so ? And even more so for a Saudi national who wielded so much power as arms dealer and financier during the Iran-Contra era of the Ronald Reagan-George H.W. Bush 1980's. Didn't Adnan Khashoggi have some 'business' in Armenia as recently as 2004 ? And why has the DOJ or FBI not stepped in to aid the SEC in its persuit ?

The SEC,Adnan Khashoggi,GenesisIntermedia and me

In a first for the U.S. SEC or Securities Exchange Commission since the chaos of post 9/11 and a claim by the Bush administration to fight money laundering in the UAE and elsewhere an interest is being taken by the SEC in Middle Eastern involvement in the corrupt U.S. penny stock market with its potential for money laundering around the world through unaudited shares the SEC allows so far to be distributed and sold in an international black market. In this instance it is Adnan Khashoggi of Iran-Contra fame himself and his Genesis Intermedia pump and dump scam that defrauded over one hundred million dollars of investor money that the SEC has taken on.

And even though Mr.Khashoggi has wielded so much influence in Washington, D.C. and is connected to both the Bushes and the bin Ladens including as an arms merchant for Iran-Contra, Oliver North, etc. of the 1980's, he reverts back to what he and so many of the ruling class or international con artists, arms merchants or carpetbaggers see as class privilege, the defrauding of the peasants with penny stocks with perhaps a little money laundering in the confusion of penny shares changing hands.

Just as he profitted from all his cheap or free Barrick Gold shares and just as Poppy George Herbert Walker Bush who literally gave an estimated 10 billion dollar U.S. gold mine to Barrick Gold for ten thousand dollars profitted in some ways...

And just as George W. Bush benefitted from his Saudi friends in high places, including Adnan Khashoggi and the bin Ladens, when he needed investors in Harken Energy which is no doubt why he was given a position at Harken in the first place. Promise of an oil drilling concession in the Persian Gulf arranged by his Saudi connections no doubt aided in promoting or 'pumping' up the price of Harken Energy followed by the inevitable insider dumping of shares on investors. Anyway it was at least the first 'clean' money seeing as how the SEC looked the other way, that W Bush probably ever made in his life.

(...)

Securities Exchange Commission vs. Ramy Y. El-Batrawi, GenesisIntermedia, Adnan Khashoggi, et.al.
http://www.sec.gov/litigation/complaints/2006/comp19655...

Interesting case below of failed attempt by the SEC to convict apparent television stock talk personality, Courtney D. Smith, of promoting GenesisIndymedia on business talk stations for a pay off.

SEC v Courtney D. Smith
http://www.sec.gov/litigation/litreleases/lr19064.htm

Poppy Bush,Adnan Khashoggi,Barrick Gold
http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm

http://www.sbindymedia.org/newswire/display/3334/index....

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8. Morgan Stanley

Morgan Stanley is an investment bank, retail broker, and credit card provider with headquarters in New York City's Times Square. (1)

9/11
Morgan Stanley employed 3700 people in WTC2 just below the impact area of the second plane and in WTC5. Morgan Stanley began evacuating its offices soon after the plane hit the first building. (2) They only suffered 10 casualties (11), while only four people of Euro Brokers managed to get out of the building. (3) There is a communication between a fire fighter and the director of Morgan Stanley where he says that the 78th floor (above Morgan Stanley) is full of dead bodies. (4) Also it is strange that their security officer Rick Rescorla made a whole plan about what to do if an airplane struck the building. (5)

Morgan Stanley was also involved in the pre-9/11 inside trading. Their own stock traded at 27x times to norm. (6)

Silverstream
They also used Silverstream software for internet transactions (7) Morgan Stanley was also involved in the Silverstream Fraud Class Action (8) where they and FleetBoston Robertson Stephens (9) performed artificial price inflation to reap enormous profits by buying Silverstream stock at the $16.00 IPO price and then selling it later for a profit at inflated aftermarket prices, which rose as high as $32.50 during its first day of trading. The complaint further alleges that Silverstream was able to price the secondary offering of Silverstream stock at an artificially high $114.00 per share due to the continued effects of the foregoing violations. (10)

Sources:
1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morgan_Stanley
2. http://www.nd.edu/~ndmag/w2001-02/9-11survive.html
3. http://www.usatoday.com/news/sept11/2001/12/19/usat-esc...
4. http://www.thememoryhole.org/911/firefighter-tape-excer...
5. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0482544/plotsummary
6. http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/HEN204B.html
7. http://cortez.gnn.tv/blogs/15703/9_11_Whistleblower_And...
8. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
9. Merged with Bank of America after 9/11
10. http://securities.stanford.edu/1018/SSSW01 /
11. Some sources say 7

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58. Rick Rescorla

I had wanted actually to start a thread on this, but I'll stick it here. Here is a web site which talks about Rescorla on 9-11. They don't let you cut and paste so I'll paraphrase.
http://www.post44.org/misc/rescorla.html

He was, according to a friend, really burning mad at Port Authority because it was one of their officials who made the decision to tell people to stay in their offices. So it wasn't random security guards like people say. I think this is very important. If Rescorla had not screamed at them and started escorting people out (at least from what we hear) 1000's more would have died and it would have been part of policy. (did they want a higher toll?)
and yes, he told people that a plane was going to be next (after 93 bombing) what did he know and is that why he died? He was seen as far as the 72nd floor.

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77. Rescorla

could probably hear explosions just like so many of the people who were in there and he was not the type to keep quiet about it. He probably figured out something else was going on. His last hours were described as "shrouded in mystery". Who's going to know if he died another way first, they couldn't even find his DNA (supposedly) according to his wife, she had to go to a hospital to get something of him to bury (a blood sample or something)
He was supposed to be on vacation, but his deputy wanted to go to Lebanon, so he was there that day.

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99. Yet officials from Port Authority canceled a meeting at the last moment

Partners In Perseverance
By Jeff O'Heir, CRN
CRN
New York, 4:56 PM EDT Fri. Sep. 06, 2002

Other New York solution providers, however, have seen an uptick in sales in since the events of Sept. 11. Chris Cangero, vice president at Epoch Data, located at Sixth Avenue and West 30th Street, said the solution provider's disaster-recovery and business-continuity sales doubled in the months following the attacks, and that growth has since ebbed to about 50 percent. Document management and mirroring solutions, as well as consulting business, also have been brisk in the SMB space, he said.

Epoch had three customers in the World Trade Center and at 10 a.m. on Sept. 11, half of Epoch's staff was scheduled to roll out a document management solution for the law division of the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, located at the World Trade Center. But Port Authority officials canceled the meeting minutes before Epoch closed on Sept. 10.

http://crn.channelsupersearch.com/news/crn/37317.asp

Paul Bremer wanted much more. The psycho talked about tens of thousands in 2000 during his Pearl Harbor speech at the Heritage Foundation because the result would be that the people were screaming for the President to use the military.

http://www.heritage.org/Research/HomelandDefense/hl678....

And there are plenty of more speeches like that from him and some even date back to the Reagan era. He probably thought that 9/11 was a bit of failure because it was only 3,000 out of 48,000. He made up for it in Iraq...

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109. He recommended the use of intelligence assets

despite the fact that the CIA says they don't work. Yeah, but they make great patsies. He was also talking about biological terror and the specific technology for it - cross ventilation systems, etc...that should be controlled for export. I think I know what's coming next...

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9. XL Insurance

XL Insurance is a Bermuda insurance company which is currently owned by AIG. It used to have a strategic allience with AIG. It is well known for its massive fraud and was one of the reinsurances used by Larry Silverstein for the World Trade Center. Both Ace and XL Insurance had a specific clause called WilProp (1) which prevented Larry from getting a double whammy like he did with all the other reinsurance companies.

XL Capital Ltd, a sister company, was also named as one of the inside traders on 9/11 and their stocks were traded at 60 times the usual amount. (2) They were part of Bear Stearns, a company which used to be run by Alan Greenberg.

See also:

http://www.the-catbird-seat.net/Claims-Branch-XL.htm

Sources:
1. http://www.insurancejournal.com/news/east/2002/02/18/15...
2. http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/HEN204B.html

That's the last of the major inside traitors. The others are in the A-Z list.

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10. 9/11 Encyclopedia

One of the most extensive resources on 9/11 was GlobalFreePress, however that site is no longer online. All the information has been copied by somebody and put into one huge PDF file.

This book was compiled with the help of results of members of GROUND ZERO Forum NYC, with other members of an investigative thinktank in the 911-folder at democraticunderground.com, with members of globalfreepress.com and the team of Shadowgovernment TV.

http://netti.nic.fi/~hyk/911-tietosanakirja.pdf

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11. MIHOP

For those who want an overview of all the physical evidence as well

By Stallion4

This is some of the most compelling evidence and information that I've been able to compile over the past few months that supports a 9/11 cover-up. The official government story says that an Arab named Osama bin Laden (still at large) engineered the whole thing while located in a cave somewhere in Afghanistan with the help of 19 other Arabs who hijacked U.S. commercial jets with box-cutters and flew them into the World Trade Center Towers and Pentagon with pinpoint accuracy. This is only a small portion of evidence and information that proves we've all been lied to by the United States government about what really happened on 9/11

http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/forum/thread8820.html (Most complete version)

Mirror: http://demopedia.democraticunderground.com/index.php/MI...

By Spooked911

I (=Spooked911) am dedicated to finding out the truth about 9/11. I think the evidence is incontrovertible that the WTC towers were blown up by controlled demolition on 9/11, as well as WTC7. Other aspects of that day are less clear, but all in all 9/ 11 appears to be a massive and cruel hoax foisted upon the American people to generate bloodlust.

http://covertoperations.blogspot.com /

By Dr. David Ray Griffin
The 9/11 Commission Report: A 571-Page Lie
115 lies in the official report

In discussing my second 9/11 book, The 9/ 11 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions, I have often said, only half in jest, that a better title might have been “a 571-page lie.” (Actually, I was saying “a 567-page lie,” because I was forgetting to count the four pages of the Preface.) In making this statement, one of my points has been that the entire Report is constructed in support of one big lie: that the official story about 9/11 is true. Another point, however, is that in the process of telling this overall lie, The 9/ 11 Commission Report tells many lies about particular issues. This point is implied by my critique’s subtitle, “Omissions and Distortions.” It might be thought, to be sure, that of the two types of problems signaled by those two terms, only those designated “distortions” can be considered lies.

http://www.911citizenswatch.org/modules.php?op=modload&...

Simple Math Proves that the 9/11 Account is a fabrication
by Elias Davidsson

The term “official 9/11 account” refers to the account of the events of Sept. 11, 2001, as presented in June 2004 by the Commission of Inquiry appointed by President George W. Bush, and complemented by other official documents issued by US government agencies. This account includes various details, such as identities of the alleged hijackers, identities of aircraft, timelines and other data used to prove that the crime of 9/11 was perpetrated by the named individuals under the orders or the inspiration of Osama bin Laden and other al Qaeda leaders.

It can be demonstrated by two straightforward mathematical techniques that the official acccount on 9/11 is simply not true.

http://globalresearch.ca/articles/DAV504A.html

How many coincidences are there? Isn't it time to reinvestigate 9/11?

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12. Reinsurance is a common practice

in the insurance industry. Anything that costs millions+ dollars to cover is too big for any one company to carry that kind of risk. You might buy insurance from someone like Zurich, but that policy is then divided up among sometimes hundreds of companies. The process is called reinsurance and there are even treaties that cover the terms of these agreements. The result is that no one person is left holding the bag.

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13. In this case the timing is odd

The lease went to Larry on 24 July 2001 (1) and before that AIG was the main insurer and they moved the policy to their main competitors. So ultimately the Greenberg cartel paid $365 million and their competitors in excess of $4.5 billion. (2)

So not only did all the building change hands to Larry, but also AIG made their competitors responsible for the damage and put in the WilProp clause on their contracts, because Larry did a little bit of insurance fraud as well and collected almost double from the rest.

Not to mention that Larry got the contract due to the Blackstone group which once again links in AIG.

Sources:
1. http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO403B.html
2. http://www.ny1.com/ny1/content/index.jsp?stid=203&aid=5...

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14. Who owned the buildings

before Larry?

I would assume a change of insurer would come with a change of ownership, that's not unusual. But if people colluded with each other because they had inside info and then knowingly let their competitors take the hit, that would be worth figuring out.

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16. Blackstone had it before Larry

And before Blackstone it was Teachers Insurance and Annuity Association

On October 17, 2000, eleven months before 9/11, Blackstone Real Estate Advisors, of The Blackstone Group, L.P, purchased, from Teachers Insurance and Annuity Association, the participating mortgage secured by World Trade Center, Building

Business Wire, 17 October 2000 via http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO403B.html

So Blackstone got the building a year before and then moved it to Silverstein and Port Authority. And Blackstone links are above and tie in AIG, Henry Kissinger and the management came from Lehman Bank. Blackstone is also an owner of Kroll, the private CIA.

The Blackstone Group has ties to American International Group, Inc. (AIG) and Kissinger Associates, Inc./Henry Kissinger. According to the Blackstone website, AIG acquired a 7% non-voting interest in the company in 1998 for $150 million "and committed to invest $1.2 billion in future Blackstone-sponsored funds".

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Blackstone_G...

The history of Blackstone

http://www.the-catbird-seat.net/BlackstoneGroup.htm

Did a lot of business with Bush as well.

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17. Thanks for spelling that out for me

You've got a lot of good info that you're tracking down, but it does get a bit complicated for someone whose not immersed in it.

That is incredible, Blackstone buys the building the year before and then everything changes hands again right before the attack. It's interesting to see how the chessboard was set during that year before the attack. They got in, set things up and then got out before the event so they wouldn't be directly connected, stuffing their pockets with money in the process. Nice folks.

Marvin Bush did the same thing on the security side. Gained access and control over security for key locations and then got out prior to the attacks so that there wouldn't be a direct connection.

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18. There is a lot of changes of hands prior to 9/11. That makes it complex

So the first team is usually the most important team and second team which gets the building or whatever just prior to 9/11 plays a part in the cover-up.

Marvin Bush is part of the first team and then hands it over to the cover-up team, so there is no direct connection. The same applies to using AIG/Kroll/Marsh instead of the CIA, because once again it's an indirect link. There was no direct involvement of a government agency or the Bush administration.

The year before is funny, because that was before Bush. So that's why I think that just like October Surprise was the predecessor of Iran Contra, the 2000 Election fraud was a predecessor of 9/11. So they already had the plans in 2000, but needed a government who was willing to go ahead with the plans (and as you probably remember Clinton opposed the PNAC plan, so Al Gore could have opposed it as well).

So the game begins when George W. Bush and Richard Cheney enter the White House and it still takes 9 months to set everything up. The war with Afghanistan would have required much more planning than 1 month. That would have started at least a year in advance as well.

And all these things are more a sequence of events and every time they manage to get one objective is when they move on to the next. So Iran is very tricky, because that's probably the next objective.

Bush ran Harken into the ground. Then ran Texas Rangers into the ground. Now he is running the United States into the ground. He more or less managed to run Afghanistan and Iraq into the ground as well and he'll just continue, because that's his game. He is not incompetent, he is very competent in breaking everything he touches.

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19. Clarify, please

WTC original site (including WTC 1-6 but NOT WTC 7) was built 1960s by Port Authority of NY & NJ, which owned it until 2001.

Transfered 2001 under 99-year lease to Silverstein, in "largest privatization in American history" (as celebrated shortly before Sept. 11).

WTC 7 was built in 1985 to the north of original WTC. It was always owned by Silverstein straight through to today.

Mortgage on 7 purchased 2000 by Blackstone Group (Peter Petersen) but ownership officially still Silverstein.

Blackstone Group never owned a piece of original WTC or its mortgage.

I find this post overall fascinating, and I liked the movie a lot. But unless you're willing to dig into Marsh McClellan (also Kroll et al.) it's ultimately useless. By that I mean, actually finding people who worked there and trying to figure out if there was, for example, strange construction going on. Sounds dangerous, if you're right, but ultimately the scenario is entirely speculative until you dig for empirical evidence one way or another. After all, there are counterintuitive elements involved. Many might ask, isn't MMcC the victim here, being the company that was in the target area with great losses in personnel? (It's a mini version of the larger question of "why would perps strike WTC, symbol of American economic might?" The larger question is totally naive, but show me that the mini version is not.)

Also, show me that competitors to Silverstream were invited to Windows on World.

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21. You are not going to get people from the internet

Because that's the problem with corporations. They are black box, so you'll never know who in the company is behind it. That's why it is private. The links show major involvement and that they had 4 teams of professionals who could do this operation, but you can't go deeper than that. At least I can't. You need a real investigator for that.

Blackstone took the lease on 2000. That's in the link above and that is from the mainstream media and the original reference is supplied.

What Silverstein did 6 weeks prior was to get ALL the buildings. He had a couple and suddenly he gets the rest. That was to hide Blackstone.

Indira Singh like in the top where she talks about the meeting. That's direct testimony from somebody working in the industry who was supposed to be there. The same applies to Richard Grove who was supposed to be present at Marsh and validates the movie and the link found thus far.

And you are not going to find any government agency or the Bush administration. Nobody found anything thusfar, because it's not that directly. The direct guys are these corporations which are black box. They did that for a reason.

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22. As far as Kroll/Marsh goes

Kroll is current a part of Marsh, but they were always closely related. Both the Brazilian government as well as the French government named them a CIA front. In case of Brazil it was because they were at the center of the biggest scam ever (See: part I post) and French intelligence has a tendency to leak those secrets if America pisses them off and don't underestimate the French because they are just as good as the Mossad or the CIA. They always know everything first as well.

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24. One point about the Marsh victims

We know that Richard Grove was supposed to be one of them and he personally believes that it is because he knew about the money laundering and complained about the $10K bribe. We don't know about the other 295. Those lists exists, but haven't been checked and they are very important. Personally I checked a lot of larger companies or companies which were higher up and that is reasonable less stressful. Checking individual victims is much harder.

The victim list of companies was strange though, because most were involved in Risk management as well. The Marsh employess, the 47 people at Port Authority starting with Neil D. Levin. Rick Rescorla at Morgan Stanley who made a big plan about what to do if an airplane struck the building, but didn't survive himself. The cops and fire men are no surprise, since it is part of their job, but there are quite a number of FBI officers are well who died and that could hold clues as well. The same applies to all the people on the plane, because there are some anomalies there as well.

Either way that is very stressful work, so I am kinda hoping that somebody else did some parts.

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36. i've been meaning to

look at individual Marsh employees who were victims for a long time. I did finally get a few books which talk about the last hours and those who died, but I never get to them. I thought if you wanted to murder someone or a group of people and you knew 911 was going to happen in the world trade center, that would be one way to do it, no questions would be asked. People could have been there that we don't know about.
I found a list that has everyone and where they worked, I'll start going through it tomorrow.

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46. Here is the list for Marsh victims

I started to look, and so far it reminds me of when I looked at who died at the Pentagon. Accountants,analysts and infromation technologists. Exactly the same as the Pentagon. I wonder if they were supposed to be there "early" for a meeting. Quite a few vice presidents


http://memorial.mmc.com/

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50. Thanks. Let's start with the names which have been added later

slightly condensed

Kenneth Zelman

As a consultant for Oracle Corp., Kenneth Zelman had many different clients. The morning of Sept. 11 found him with Marsh & McLennan on the 99th floor of the World Trade Center, where he was on a year long assignment.

Wife; father of two; 14-month-old son.

Zelman is survived by his parents Ruth and Jack, three sisters, and a brother.

http://www.wallofamericans.com/php_files/wall.php?actio...

Suresh Yanamadala

Consultant at Marsh & McLennan Cos. Inc. Confirmed dead, World Trade Center, at/in building, Indian

http://www.wallofamericans.com/php_files/wall.php?actio...

Loretta Vero

Loretta lived in Nanuet for 15 years. She was a corporate consultant with American Express and is survived by her sisters.

http://nanunet.lhric.org/WTCMemorial/WTCExp.htm

Unfortunatly, my cousin Loretta Vero (a corporate travel consultant) was in her office at American Express on the 94th floor of the North Tower. She was never recovered.

http://www.sept11marriottsurvivors.org/people/BrotherOf...

Faina Rapoport

Faina Rapoport carried a mental portrait of New York City for years. It was a means of survival while she and her family waited to hear from the United States goverment about whether they qualified for the refugee program. Her family, Jews from Moscow, wanted to escape religious persecution.

In 1994, New York City was no longer a painting in the gallery of Mrs. Rapoport's mind. It became real — the family received refugee status. They were free to worship as they pleased.

(...)
Mrs. Rapoport, a computer programmer, studied English, while her husband, Yuriy, a civil engineer, became a construction inspector. Their children, Alex, 25, and Elena, 19, attended school.

Soon Mrs. Rapoport, 45, learned enough English to pursue a job. Eventually, she became a computer programmer at Accenture at the World Trade Center. Her salary helped buy a condominium near the beach.

THE NEW YORK TIMES on February 3, 2002

http://www.legacy.com/Sept11.asp?Page=TributeStory&Pers...

Jonathan Randall

By David Shaiken ’82

Jonathan Randall ’82 died in the North Tower of the World Trade Center on Sept. 11.

(...)
Some classmates have expressed surprise to me upon learning recently that this same Jonathan—artsy, warm, gentle Jonathan— had worked for years in the Information Technology Department of J&H March and McLennan Inc., an international insurance brokerage firm, in a corporate Wall Street environment 95floors up in the North Tower of the World Trade Center. Jon had found another path of exciting ideas and new challenges working with computers and supervising others. That was Jonathan—unbound by your or my expectations, willing to take a turn when it felt right.

(...)
Some years ago, Jon told me that, during his daily commute from Brooklyn to the financial district in Manhattan, Jesus had tapped him on the shoulder. Jonathan became a devout Christian, joining and taking a leadership role in the Zion Lutheran Church and forming a Bible study group at work. He found a path to spiritual peace through his work in the church, study of the Bible, humility, relationship with God, and many acts of charity. At Christmas, he asked his family to forgo buying gifts for him and instead to give to a needy person.

http://www.swarthmore.edu/bulletin/dec01/theday.html

Anne Ransom

Dear Anne: I think of you just about every day. All the times we laughed together when we both worked at Bobst and all the times that followed through the years

http://www.legacy.com/Guestbook.asp?Page=GuestBook&Pers...

Shreyas Ranganath

Software Developer Adored Indian Food, Film

Nov. 7, 2001

He was a pro at software design, a lover of good food and he knew his Indian motion pictures.

Before coming to the United States to work on a three-month project with Marsh & McLennan, Shreyas Ranganath was awash in the high-tech excitement of Bangalore, a place known by some as the Silicon Valley of India. In the Southern India city, Ranganath soaked up knowledge and experience in software design and became an expert.

(...)
His expertise landed him the job in New York City and he went to work on the 97th floor of One World Trade Center. Baalebail, who works for the same consultancy as Ranganath, allowed the young man and another software designer, Shashi Kiran Kadaba, to stay in his Hackensack, N.J., home.

(...)
-- Fred Aun (For Newsday)

http://cf.newsday.com/911/victimsearch.cfm?id=1309

Hemanth Kumar Puttur

Wipro names halls after its September 11 victims

Indian software giant Wipro Ltd, planning a solemn memorial on the anniversary of September 11 attacks, has named four halls in a sprawling campus after workers it lost in the tragedy, company officials said.

(...)
The sprawling campus is among the several sites the software service company has in Bangalore. About 4,000 of its 11,000 engineers work at the campus and hundreds at client sites abroad.

The four victims, Shreyas Ranganath, Hemanth Kumar Puttur, Shashikiran Kadaba and Deepika Kumar were working on the 97th floor of one of the World Trade Center towers in New York for a Wipro client at the time of the attack.

http://www.rediff.com/money/2002/sep/11wipro.htm

Deepa Pakkala

Deepa Pakkala never wanted to call it a day. Determined to not only succeed but excel, Deepa worked long hours in order to provide for her family. A young mother who had just begun working for Oracle Corporation, Deepa was with a client in the World Trade Center on September 11th. Last January, Deepa gave birth to a healthy baby girl, Trisha. The two months she took to spend with her daughter was the only time she has ever slowed down, according to her husband of ten years.

http://www.washingtonwatchdog.org/environmental_justice...

Lamar D. Hulse
Confusion about who the name with the picture

security guard, Advantage Security Confirmed dead, World Trade Center, at/in building

I am the Uncle of Mr. Hulse. His name is not Mychal Lamarr it is Lamar D. Hulse. If you have any questions you can contact me at the above e-mail address. We the family thank you for your support, and thank you for making the quit square.

http://www.september11victims.com/september11victims/Vi...

Shashikiran Kadaba

Wipro names halls after its September 11 victims

Indian software giant Wipro Ltd, planning a solemn memorial on the anniversary of September 11 attacks, has named four halls in a sprawling campus after workers it lost in the tragedy, company officials said.

(...)
The sprawling campus is among the several sites the software service company has in Bangalore. About 4,000 of its 11,000 engineers work at the campus and hundreds at client sites abroad.

The four victims, Shreyas Ranganath, Hemanth Kumar Puttur, Shashikiran Kadaba and Deepika Kumar were working on the 97th floor of one of the World Trade Center towers in New York for a Wipro client at the time of the attack.

http://www.rediff.com/money/2002/sep/11wipro.htm

Phoenix working for a project at American Express Bank

Stanley McCaskill

Stanley McCaskill was called a mama's boy in the housing projects on West 112th Street, where he lived from the time he came into this world. Everyone knew that his 77- year-old mother, Ella Mae McCaskill, had a tight hold on him. But he did not mind being picked on about it. Neither did she. Mr. McCaskill would call his mother every day from his job at 1 World Trade Center, where he was a guard for Advantage Security. She told him to. She gave him a prayer cloth and a tiny red Bible for his wallet. His mother knew the size of his belt, his pants, his shirt, even the name of his barber. At age 47, he had not moved out, even though his mother did not care for some of his girlfriends. "He loved her," said his cousin, Carolyn Louallen. "He just didn't want to leave her."
Profile courtesy of THE NEW YORK TIMES.

http://www.legacy.com/Sept11.asp?Page=TributeStory&Pers...

Lucy Crifasi

Name does not exist on the internet. No information on memorial either, except some notes form co-workers.

Gennady Boyarsky

travel agent, American Express Confirmed dead, World Trade Center, at/in building, Russian

http://www.september11victims.com/september11victims/Vi...

So the last additions were:

Oracle Corp for an unknown project

Indians from Wipro, Bangalore for a project for American Express Bank (97th floor)

Travel agents American Express

Advantage Security guards

IT 95th floor

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54. what do you mean added later? Here are some Marsh

I just started looking at what jobs people had at Marsh and it seemed there were a lot of financial and Higher Ups, lots of VP's. I mean they must have had lots of customer service and what not, but these are mostly higher ups (but not TOO higher up) (CEO'S) These are all MARSH
William Abrahamson, business analyst
There were his colleagues from the Federal Reserve Bank

Richard Anthony Aceto, 42, of Wantagh, New York, a tax specialist

Christy Addamo was on the 98th floor of Tower One when the first plane hit it. A senior accountant

Gertrude Alagero
Walther and Trudi had met at their offices at Marsh Inc., a subsidiary of Marsh & McLennan where they each worked and where Trudi was a Senior Vice President for Private Client Services.

Jon Albert vice president of information technologies
Jacquelyn Aldridge accountant finance
Richard Allen mailroom clerk 98th (dad survuved port authority)

Janet Alonso email analyst for Marsh & McLennan on the ninety seventh floor of Tower
Victoria Alvarez Brito finance department of Marsh & McLennan i

Cesar A. Alviar accountant 94th floor
Marilyn Bautista accounts payable
cecile caguicla assistan v.p. finance
manuel lopez tax accountant
larry sumaya technology manager
kermit anderson vice president systems analyst 97th
Doreen Angrisani financial manager 98th
Jack Aron information technology
Thomas J. Ashton 95th floor of the north tower on an electrical contracting job for Marsh and McLennan(what kind of electrical contracting job?

Tatyana Bakalinskaya hostess (from ukraine) 93rd
Michael Baksh insurance executive(?)
Sharon Balkcom computer systems manager
Mike Bane casualty claims
Kathryn Bantis
Richard Anthony Aceto, 42, Wantagh, N.Y., tax specialist,
Scott D. Bart, 28, Malverne, N.Y., vice president, Marsh & McLennan Cos. Inc
Paul James Battaglia, 22, New York, N.Y., consultant, Marsh & McLennan Cos. Inc
Marlyn C. Bautista, 46, Iselin, N.J., accounts payable, Marsh & McLennan Cos. Inc.
Jane S. Beatty, 53, Belford, N.J., technical supervisor, Marsh & McLennan Cos. Inc
Nina Patrice Bell, 39, New York, N.Y., senior manager, Marsh & McLennan Cos
William Reed Bethke, 36, Hamilton, N.J., computer programmer, Marsh USA
Gary Bird, 51, Tempe, Ariz., senior vice president, Marsh USA
On Sept. 10, he began a new job as senior vice president at Marsh & McLennan. He was to work out of Phoenix, but spent the first two days in New York for meetings. On Sept. 11
On Sept. 11, he had a three-hour meeting starting at 8:15 a.m. at the Marsh offices in the World Trade Center

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55. Is this the meeting?

Gary Bird had just been promoted to senior Vice President, but he worked in Phoenix. Was this the meeting that got people there early? He was last seen on the 99th floor.

http://www.legacy.com/Sept11.asp?Page=TributeStory&Pers...

"On Sept. 10, he began a new job as senior vice president at Marsh & McLennan. He was to work out of Phoenix, but spent the first two days in New York for meetings. On Sept. 11, he had a three-hour meeting starting at 8:15 a.m. at the Marsh offices in the World Trade Center. He told his wife he'd be home in Tempe by 8 p.m. for dinner. "

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56. electrical contractor on the 95th floor at Marsh

Thomas J. Ashton 95th floor of the north tower on an electrical contracting job for Marsh and McLennan(what kind of electrical contracting job? )

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60. 16 electrical contractors died in wtc

http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/america_under_attack/afte...
(There might be more/less, that is what I read in another article)
If you do a search for electrical you can get the names of their companies on the above list.
There were more there , they survived, I remember reading about them.

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61. Added later as in not on the first list of people

There was quite a lot of confusion about who was there.

It appears that there were three main group there. Executives some who didn't usually work in WTC either. A financial group and a big group of software engineers (Silverstream?) with lots of people from other companies which were hired to get the system up and running before 9/11.

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51. Fast majority were software engineers

Just a couple of accountants and other people. Fast majority was IT. Some for other companies like Oracle and some working for American Express (was not listed on those floors??). Quite a number of recent immigrants and hired Indians as well.

A lot of vice presidents - I do think that vice president wasn't a rare title either:

Louis Joseph Minervino
Senior Vice President recently transferred from Guy Carpenter.

http://www.wallofamericans.com/php_files/wall.php?actio...

In 1988 booked on Pan Am Flight 103 which exploded over Lockerbie, Scotland, but he took a different flight.

http://cf.newsday.com/911/victimsearch.cfm?id=1632

Michael Gregory McGinty
Senior vice president at the Power Group in Boston
Two days a week in NY in the U.S.
He was a nuclear engineer.
Served in the U.S. Navy until 1989.

http://www.wallofamericans.com/php_files/wall.php?actio...

McGinty, of Foxboro, Mass., was a senior vice president in the Power Group of Marsh, Inc., of Boston and New York and worked as an insurance broker specializing in coverage for the nuclear power and utilities industries.

http://cf.newsday.com/911/victimsearch.cfm?id=2124

He is one of five victims from University of Rhodes Island.

The others:

Lynn Edwards Angell and her husband David Angell. American Airlines Flight #11. David started working for the Pentagon and became a scripwriter for TV.

Christine J. Barbuto American Airlines Flight 11. Worked for TJX Companies. One of half-dozen employees on that flight
http://cf.newsday.com/911/victimsearch.cfm?id=5

Christian L. DeSimone. Marsh

Michael G. McGinty, Marsh (see above)

Frank Schott Jr., Marsh

http://advance.uri.edu/quadangles/fall2002/story3.htm

They are all from different years though, so it is not likely that they met each other at URI.

Frank G. Schott
Assistant vice president
http://www.wallofamericans.com/php_files/wall.php?actio...

In his freshman year, he was arrested as one of "The Minnesota 9," in protests against the Vietnam War.
http://cf.newsday.com/911/victimsearch.cfm?id=3054

Sal E. Tieri Jr.
Though his office was in Midtown Manhattan, Tieri, 40, managing director at Marsh & McLennan, was attending a meeting on the 99th floor of One World Trade Center on Sept. 11.

http://cf.newsday.com/911/victimsearch.cfm?id=2031

Susan Sauer
managing director was in Manhattan for a meeting

http://cf.newsday.com/911/victimsearch.cfm?id=2585

Harry Taback
Mr. Taback, a 56-year-old Bronx native, was a managing regional director and executive vice president in risk control strategy and consulting at Marsh & McLennan, where he worked for 30 years. His office was located on the 100th floor of 1 World Trade Center. He normally was not in the office at the time of the attack, but had a conference call scheduled for 9 a.m. that morning.

http://www.wallofamericans.com/php_files/wall.php?actio...

Harry Taback dedicated his professional life at Marsh & McLennan to helping companies plan for disasters

http://www.legacy.com/Sept11.asp?Page=TributeStory&Pers...

Kenneth F. Rice III
Assistant vice president IT 96th floor was usually overseas

http://www.wallofamericans.com/php_files/wall.php?actio...

Gary Bird
Senior vice president of Marsh USA.
Lived in Tempe, Arizona

http://www.wallofamericans.com/php_files/wall.php?actio...

Worked on the New Mexico Workers' Compensation Guarantee Fund Commission

http://www.september11victims.com/september11Victims/Vi...

Susan Ann Ruggiero
Assistant vice president IT
http://www.wallofamericans.com/php_files/wall.php?actio...

She enjoyed traveling and would often fly across the country and the world on business. She went to Thailand, Mexico and Malaysia, always scheduling a few more days to explore the country.

http://cf.newsday.com/911/victimsearch.cfm?id=2133

Jenny Seu Kueng Low Wong
Assistant vice president, market information group

http://www.wallofamericans.com/php_files/wall.php?actio...

Jenny Low Wong had just been promoted to assistant vice president at Marsh & McLennan.
http://cf.newsday.com/911/victimsearch.cfm?id=3212

Alex Ciccone
Assistant vice president
http://www.wallofamericans.com/php_files/wall.php?actio...

Roger Mark Rasweiler
Vice president with Marsh Inc.
http://www.wallofamericans.com/php_files/wall.php?actio...

Lisa Marie Terry
Vice president with Marsh & McLennan Cos.
http://www.wallofamericans.com/php_files/wall.php?actio...

Salvatore J. Zisa
Senior vice president at Marsh
http://www.wallofamericans.com/php_files/wall.php?actio...

Jeffrey David Wiener
Manager of risk technologies group
http://www.wallofamericans.com/php_files/wall.php?actio...

Lars P. Qualben
Vice president
http://www.wallofamericans.com/php_files/wall.php?actio...

Jon Albert
Vice president of information technologies
http://www.wallofamericans.com/php_files/wall.php?actio...

Non-vice presidents:

Sean Booker
Worked for of Xerox Corp. Fixed photocopying machines for the Marsh & McLennan. Was also a pastor at Tabernacle Outreach Ministries in Newark. Always started early.

http://www.wallofamericans.com/php_files/wall.php?actio...

Sandra Fajardo Smith
Brazil-Accountant
http://www.wallofamericans.com/php_files/wall.php?actio...

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57. List of everyone & where they worked

http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/america_under_attack/afte...

Marsh had more financial people casualties than the other companies, but also quite a few IT. There are a lot of vice presidents. Given the meeting that started at 8:15 and lasted for 3 hours , I'll bet that was for vice presidents. Was it the same meeting Grove spoke of? Because everyone who went to it would be killed, probably - 8:15& above impact. I want a better understanding of the structure of Marsh to be able to understand the significance of the people and what their titles were. Also were they rehired? These seem to be the upper echelon of a corporation unless maybe they didn't have the customer service/ people clerks in that office. I guess I can list everyone then figure out the percentage of what kind of division they were from. Without understanding the company, though this is not very helpful.

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117. Neil D. Levin, executive director Port Authority

Neil D. Levin was the former Executive Director of the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey. He was killed during the September 11 terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center where Levin had his office.

Levin was an aide to Senator Al D'Amato and to the U.S. Senate Banking Committee in Washington in the 1980s. He later moved back to New York to become a vice president at Goldman Sachs. He spent seven years as the Chairman of the Federal Home Loan Bank of New York. He was a member of the Board of Directors of Farmer Mac. He was a member of the Council of Foreign Relations.

In 1995, Levin was appointed by George Pataki as New York's Superintendent of Banks. In this role, Levin was the state's chief banking regulator, head of the Department of Banking, and Chairman of the State Banking Board. In 1997, Pataki named Levin as the state Superintendent of Insurance. Pataki also named him the Chairman of the Commission on the Recovery of Holocaust Victims' Assets, which arranged for the return of assets to families in New York.

On March 31, 2001, George Pataki, who moved out of the WTC a couple of month prior to 9/11, and Donald DiFrancesco (NJ) named Levin as the Executive Director of the Port Authority. He succeeded Robert E. Boyle.

In this role he was the chief executive officer of the agency which runs the World Trade Center, various bridges and tunnels around New York City, the three airports in the New York City area, the seaports in New York and New Jersey, and various international trade programs. Levin was executive director for 5 months before his death and Pataki appointed Joe Seymour as his successor.

Based on:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neil_Levin

Neil was involved with the Silverstein deal and many other events leading upto 9/11. No details are known why he was one of the few of the Port Authority who didn't survive. Interesting point about Pataki moving out of WTC prior to 9/11.

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127. Didn't know that about Pataki

When I see that people died in the wtc and they were in leadership or decision making positions, I tend to think that they might have posed some difficulty to the planners of 9-11 and, of course they probably did not have pre-knowledge.

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15. Another bonus was that Larry only paid 14 million

and collected +/- 1.4 billion more than the buildings were worth in the first place. Other problems like asbestos which would have cost about $1 billion as well (1) and twin towers were not a huge success either with many floors empty or half empty. (3)

Many of the companies were large corporations who only had a couple of people in the building and probably used it because it sounded prestigious and was a wonderful place to entertain guests, while keeping their main offices on a cheaper location.

WTC 7 alone made Larry half a billion

In February of 2002 Silverstein Properties won $861 million from Industrial Risk Insurers to rebuild on the site of WTC 7. Silverstein Properties' estimated investment in WTC 7 was $386 million. So: This building's collapse resulted in a profit of about $500 million. (2)

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/background/owners.html

These may not be the main reasons, but they were more sub goals and Larry played a vital role in this game. The real question is why Swiss Re went along with this plan even though they tried to fight the double whammy a bit. As far as Chubb and Allianz goes, there was overlap so it would have been harder from them to say no.

The Larry scam is the most transparant of them all, because he couldn't hide like the rest and has been known for a long time now. Yet nothing happened, so I think that says enough...

The Greenbergs will be harder. The Bush administration and all the other conspirators are even more indirect. It's what the CIA called Plausible Denial. That's why the insider trading investigation was stopped, since Deutsche Bank could have lead directly to them and now nobody knows whoexactly did it and we only have companies which had at least one person who knew about 9/11.

Sources:
1. http://www.fumento.com/asbest.html (1989 estimate for WTC)
2. Facing Our Fascist State, page 47
3. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_World_Trade_Center_ten... and especially http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two_World_Trade_Center_ten...

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85. Old Post of mine- Haaretz article on Silverstein

This is interesting because there was this lawsuit against Silverstein and this strip club Runway 69. Some Queens local paper tried to cover it up by putting an online article saying that it was a "Lawrence, not a Larry Silverstein", but I have a copy of the lawsuit and it's Larry, plus there is an article in Haaretz the Israeli daily on it. It is funny and scary how all the stories about it got wiped off the internet until Haaretz put it up. But their article got taken down, too, but fortunately Beam Me Up gave me the cached article. Anyway..notice the money laundering references.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Excerpts:

"Many Israeli politicians are acquainted in one degree or another with
the 70-year-old Silverstein. For 10 years, he tried to bring
about the establishment of a free-trade zone in the Negev,..."
"Harry Miller, a Vietnam War veteran, sued Silverstein, who owned the
Runway 69 dance club in Queens, for his alleged involvement in the
trafficking of heroin."
This is the lawsuit: http://members.aol.com/schwenkler/wcc/miller.htm
it was dismissed as "frivolous", but you got to wonder what Silverstein
was doing with a dance club called "Runway 69"? In the suit Captain Miller, says that they
were using Runway 69 as a MONEY LAUNDERING joint for heroin from Laos.
Money laundering comes up again with Silverstein in something else from the article.
It was dismissed and it also included Clinton and Nixon (!), but if you've
read Michael Ruppert then it really isn't that unbelievable.

The article emphasizes how eager he was to get the wtc contract.

"The Israeli political world got to know Silverstein when he tried to create a
free-trade zone in the country. He became friendly with Yitzhak Rabin,
Benjamin Netanyahu, Ehud Barak and Ariel Sharon.
Ahaz Ben Ari, ..., remembers Silverstein as being "not easy to deal with,
a hot-tempered type who spoke aggressively to the prime minister...." (How did a guy who was born into a lower class sounding family and owned a dance club called "Runway 69" have this kind of clout with these guys?)

Criticism of "free trade zones":
"...Peres and Beilin objected: Free-trade zones of the kind envisaged were usually created
in the Third World and had the reputation of being slave markets. The local workers
earn starvation wages, while the entrepreneurs enjoy full tax exemption and make high
profits. "
..."I told them that in the end, the zone would become a MONEY-LAUNDERING center and that
no one apart from lawyers would make a profit from it."
(my emphasis)
http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:u4eY28MZ00EJ:www.h...

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20. Culhavoc Interview with Ty Rauber

A lot of additional info at:

http://wkjo.com/media/060619_-_Ty-Rauber_Who-Killed-Joh... (58:19 - Save target as)

http://culhavoc.blogsome.com/2006/06/19/interview-ty-ra...

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23. Thanks

Your work is appreciated by those of us who are really interested in this. I forgot to look at that link. I will today.

[DrDebug]

25. Michael Cherkasky

Michael Cherkasky started working with the Manhattan district attorney's office. While serving as Robert Morgenthau's chief of investigations, Cherkasky supervised local investigators assigned to the federal and state investigation of the 1993 World Trade Center terrorist bombing (1) as part of the Joint Terrorist Task Force (2). The report on WTC 1993 forgot to mention that it was FBI themselves who did not stick to their deal with Abdul Rahman Yasin which caused the explosion. (3)

He also supervised the investigation of the Bank of Credit and Commerce International, which was accused of defrauding customers around the world and illegally accepting drug-tainted accounts. The case prompted U.S. and British authorities to close the bank in 1991. (1)

He started working for Kroll since February 1994 and in 2000 he was working as head monitor at the LAPD on behalf of Kroll which means that the private company monitors the public LAPD. (4) As we all know from the Michael Ruppert's testimony (7), it was actually the CIA who caused the majority of problems within LAPD so having an alledged CIA front (5) monitoring them for five years does not solve any problems.

Michael Cherkasky became CEO of Kroll Inc in May 2001. Six weeks after 9/11 Michael Cherkasky echoed Bush speak at the CEO2CEO conference with statements like "The war will be long-term" and "It will be worldwide." (6)

Since October 2004 he is CEO of Marsh & McLennan. (1) The irony is that the previous CEO resigned due to the Eliot Spitzer investigation. It is ironic that it was Michael Cherkasky who gave Spitzer his first job. (8)

Catbird-Seats:
Marsh & McLennan: THE MARSH BIRDS

http://www.the-catbird-seat.net/MarshBirds.htm

http://www.the-catbird-seat.net/CV05-00030-Witness-Cher...
KROLL THE CONSPIRATOR

http://www.the-catbird-seat.net/KROLL.htm

Sources:
1. http://www.usatoday.com/educate/college/careers/profile...
2. http://www.pbs.org/wsw/tvprogram/20030912.html
3. http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/VonBuelow.html
4. http://rwor.org/a/v24/1181-1190/1182/bratton.htm
5. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
6. http://rwor.org/a/v24/1181-1190/1182/bratton.htm
7. http://copvcia.com
8. http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/financialpost/story....

[DrDebug]

26. Greenberg-Traurig. Many Bush connections. Election Fraud 2000

Maurice "Hank" Greenberg, owner of AIG, is the Greenberg of Greenberg Traurig, their own law firm. (1)

Greenberg Traurig, LLP is a Miami-based 1,350-lawyer full-service international law firm "with the fourth-largest number of lawyers in the United States and eighth-largest worldwide. The firm was founded in 1967 by Miami lawyer Mel Greenberg. Much of Greenberg Traurig's growth has been achieved through several mergers, including its 1998 pairing with Atlanta entertainment practice Katz, Smith & Cohen, and its 1999 acquisition of Minkin & Snyder. (2)

Bush-Greenberg Traurig Connections A Selection
1. represented President Bush in the Bush-Gore 2000 Florida election vote recount (3)

"Court's reputation being tested," Associated Press (cjonline.com), December 11, 2000: "Barry Richard, a partner in the firm, is the lead Bush attorney in Florida. Richard, who is a Democrat, said he was called Nov. 8 about representing Bush." re Barry S. Richard (4)

"Ethics experts say Scalia, Thomas connections not conflicts of interest,"CNN, December 12, 2000: See "Justice Scalia's sons": "Another Bush lawyer, Barry S. Richard, is a partner in that firm's Tallahassee office." (5)

"Florida Attorneys for Bush and Gore to Debate 2000 Presidential Election Recount,"University of Florida, College of Liberal Arts & Sciences, March 25, 2003: "Barry Richard, chief Florida attorney for Bush ... an attorney of Greenberg Traurig law firm in Tallahassee,..." (6)

"Greenberg Traurig Instrumental in Florida Vote Recount Victory,"GTLaw.com, January 13, 2004.

2. personally represents Governor Jeb Bush (3)

3. Hired son of Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia on election day 2000 - after which Justice Scalia cast one of the 5 to 4 deciding votes which placed Bush in presidency (3)

4. Firm has prominent administrative positions in Massachusetts 9/11 Fund which also involves Bush family banking house Brown Brothers Harriman (3)

5. One appointed as General Counsel of the Department of the Navy and its Office of Naval Intelligence just 90 days before the 9/11 attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon. (3)

6. Firm works with 9-11 victims on planning out their U.S. gov't hushmail/bribery estates (3)

7. Greenberg Traurig represented Diebold Election Systems, Inc (3)

8. Jack Abramoff and the Indian Casinos (3)

etc. etc.

Content from Sourcewatch is available under GNU Free Documentation License 1.2.
Sources:
1. http://www.bradblog.com/archives/00002232.htm
2. http://sev.prnewswire.com/legal/20050405/FLF00801042005...
3. http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Greenberg_Tr...
4. http://quest.cjonline.com/stories/121100/sup_1211007331...
5. http://archives.cnn.com/2000/LAW/12/12/supreme.court.co...
6. http://www.gtlaw.com/pub/pr/2004/reyesc04a.htm

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27. Abramoff, Diebold, Barry Richard, Bush ties...did somebody say election

fraud. Good grief! I had no idea the depth of these connections. I think it's a safe bet to be highly suspicious about elected officials and the varieties of political fraud when the name
Abramoff shows up on the front door of this firm. This reminds me of "Devils Advocate."

Much to study and absorb here but my highest compliments to DrDebug for putting together such
an insightful and thought provoking collection of links and relationships.

[DrDebug]

31. These Greenbergs are Bush's partners

The 9/11 event was planned much earlier. Paul Bremer is talking about this in detail back in 1999 and in 2000 they started to get control of the World Trade Center.

This law firm has helped facilitate the election fraud and links in Jeb as well. The Greenberg cartel wanted the Bushes and there were already working on 9/11 so George W. Bush would have been vital, because they needed politician wouldn't care and use it for their political advantage. They were prior partners in Harken, Texas Rangers, Trilateral Investments.

It's very big, but that's because it's a bunch of major companies who have their tenticles in each other. Enron and WorldCom just to be one of their pals as well. It's one big pile of greed, fraud, scams, drugs. They needed Bush because he was one of them. It would have meants as well that Bush knew before the election that they wanted to blow up the World Trade Center to start their oil/drugs war in Afghanistan.

I think Greenberg-Traurig is so big that it definitely requires a thread of its own with all the Election 2000 and Election 2004 stuff. The first overview shows that this company is right in the middle of everything related to Election Fraud and Jeb Bush. The research will be hard because it seems only people like Stew Webb, Tom Flocco and Lyndon LaRouche have looked into Greenberg-Traurig spider which links Election Fraud, Bush family, Greenberg family and Henry Kissinger.

And they wanted Henry to do the 9/11 investigation...

[mirandapriestly]

29. ChoicePoint?

According to this article they were set to buy Kroll in 1997. I wonder if they did and sold it again? Or could they buy it, take it's databases then resell? I don't get it, but I'm going to put it in here. They also ID'd the DNA for the world trade center (hmmm) and you can see how government (military) people move around which could be awfully convenient, as you can see from Carol Di Battiste's resume.
Choicepoint, as everyone knows, is the one who scrubbed the felons names who weren't really felons off the list in Florida which may well have jhanded the election to u-know-who.

http://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/stories/1997/03/31/d...
ChoicePoint, the Equifax Insurance Services Group, has announced plans to acquire Kroll Associates Inc., a provider of corporate intelligence and risk management consulting services. The acquisition should be completed soon after the spin-off of ChoicePoint from Equifax. Kroll is a privately held firm and is considered the world's foremost provider of investigative and corporate intelligence consulting. Kroll will retain its name and management structure. Equifax Insurance Services Group provides information and custom systems to mitigate insurance, business and government risk and fraud.
ATLANTA and NEW YORK, April 1, 1997 -- The Equifax Insurance Services Group today announced an agreement in principle to acquire Kroll Associates Inc., the world's foremost provider of corporate intelligence and risk management consulting services. This follows last week's announcement that the Insurance Services Group, due to be spun off from Equifax this summer, has selected ChoicePoint as its new company name.

The acquisition of Kroll Associates is expected to be completed shortly after the spinoff. Terms of the transaction were not disclosed.
http://www.frogfire.com/frogfire_archive/equifax/about/...

http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=55&row=1
If Vice President Al Gore is wondering where his Florida votes went, rather than sift through a pile of chad, he might want to look at a "scrub list" of 173,000 names targeted to be knocked off the Florida voter registry by a division of the office of Florida Secretary of State Katherine Harris. A close examination suggests thousands of voters may have lost their right to vote based on a flaw-ridden list that included purported "felons" provided by a private firm with tight Republican ties.

Early in the year, the company, ChoicePoint, gave Florida officials a list with the names of 8,000 ex-felons to "scrub" from their list of voters.

Government agencies rely on ChoicePoint to help complete their most difficult tasks - using ChoicePoint’s DNA laboratory to identify victims of the World Trade Center attacks
http://www.choicepoint.com/about/executive.html
DiBattiste was formerly deputy administrator and chief of staff at the Transportation Security Administration; under secretary of the Air Force; deputy U.S. attorney and assistant U.S. attorney at the United States Attorneys Office, Southern District of Florida; director of the Executive Office for U.S. Attorneys; and principal deputy general counsel of the Navy. She served 20 years on active duty in the United States Air Force and was one of the Air Force’s lead prosecutors. She was also a partner at the Law Firm of Holland & Knight.

Carol DiBattiste, Chief Credentialing, Compliance and Privacy Officer

[DrDebug]

33. The ChoicePoint-Kroll merger was cancelled on August 8, 1997

Choicepoint Inc., the insurance services company to be spun off by Equifax Inc., said on August 7, 1997 that its acquisition of Kroll Associates had been called off after the two companies could not reach a final agreement. (1)

So it's not a direct line, but they are probably all going around in the same tight circle. They are also clients of the Ashcroft Group (2, 3) and we all know that Ashcroft didn't want to know anything about terrorism prior to 9/11, because he knew so he didn't want to hear anything about it. (5)

Given their scandaleous behavior in Florida during the 2000 Election (4), it makes them the most unreliable bunch to do the World Trade Center victims identification.

According to documentation unearthed under the Freedom of Information Act by the independent Electronic Privacy Information Center, ChoicePoint representatives were on the scene at the World Trade Center tragedy in Guinness-Book-of-World-Records-ambulance-chasing time. The company won contracts September 12 to match victims with its growing DNA data bank.

(more at link like how they sold illegal info about 300 million Latin Americans to Ashcroft as well)
http://www.refuseandresist.org/police_state/art.php?aid...

It's almost like they knew It means that the victim list may not be 100% reliable...

Sources:
1. http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E01EFDA...
2. http://thehill.com/thehill/export/TheHill/News/Frontpag...
3. http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Ashcroft_Gro...
4. http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,949709,00.h...
5. http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_4...

[mirandapriestly]

34. Ok, thanks, well, it is still interesting

about the DNA. It goes to show how you really can't be sure of any of the information we're given. There's bound to be a crooked link somewhere .

[DrDebug]

35. ChoicePoint and Khalid Almihdhar

The FBI’s New York office techically began an investigation to locate Khalid Almihdhar on August 29 (2001), but in fact the one inexperienced agent assigned to the search, Robert Fuller, is busy for several days and only begins the search at this time (see August 29, 2001)

(...)
Robert Fuller claims that he conducts a search in the ChoicePoint database. ChoicePoint is one of several companies maintaining commerical databases on personal information about US citizens. The FBI has a contract to access the ChoicePoint database, but none of the others. Fuller doesn’t find any record on either Alhazmi or Almihdhar. He suggests this is because of variations in the spelling of names.

However, the chairman of ChoicePoint will later confirm that although the database did have information on the hijackers before 9/11, the FBI did not ask to search the database until shortly after 9/11. The 9/11 Commission will conclude the database was not searched, and notes, “Searches of readily available databases could have unearthed” their California drivers' licenses, car registrations and telephone listings.

Thomas Pickard, acting FBI Director at the time this search is made, will later falsely claim in public testimony before the 9/11 Commission that the FBI was not allowed to search the ChoicePoint database before 9/11.

Source: US Department of Justice, 11/2004; New York Observer, 11/28/2004; 9/11 Commission, 7/24/2004, pp. 539

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/searchResults.jsp?se...

Talk about a whole lotta bullshit. The names were never in the database, were they and they weren't there for a reason. So 9/11 commission and ChoicePoint cover it up.

[mirandapriestly]

37. and there is no accountability

for the 911 commission.

[hang a left]

111. I have to give a big shout out to both DrDre and mirapriestly for this

research. I applaud your efforts. Sadly, it reinforces how futile it is to fight this octopus. What evil. Dark dark forces. Who can save us? I think they want us to know.

Why are they monitoring our internet usage, our phone calls and emails. The books we buy or check out. Where we drive down the street. Who visits our homes. They know (or can find out) anything about us they want to know.

While nothing is more fascinating to me than 9-11 research. It is like they knew the curious would look. They knew the curious would find out. And they knew, once we dug real deep, we would be crapping our pants, knowing that there was nothing we could do.

I always peruse this forum. I don't post. I always read. I just had to comment on your post.

[mirandapriestly]

112. They're monitoring us so that

when they pull off the next job they will be able to put people like me into those prisons they're building.
I get the feeling they want us to know too, so that we know that we are powerless over them.
9-11 made a few people extremely rich(er) and a few people extremely powerful. And guess what , it wasn't "al Qaeda".

[DrDebug]

114. You can't stop it, but knowledge scares them

Preventing this or holding the guilty responsible is something which is not likely to happen. The immense propaganda efforts in the media make it clear that they want to keep the masses dumb and ignorant. The main change since 9/11 is that the group of people who have looked beyond the veils of deceipts has increased immensely and other projects like 7/7 where immediately greeted with a great amound of sceptism.

There are many people - even on this board - who think that JFK is not more or less solved, but it has been solved suffiently already. There are many more who think that 9/11 is not more or less solved, but I consider it solved even though it's not perfect, the overall concept is clear.

It used to be more government agency based and nowadays they have hidden themselves in corporations as their main outlet. Most people knew about the Bush family cartel and the Greenberg family cartel was not that obvious. Not anymore, the Greenberg family cartel has been identified as partners behind the scenes.

They knew that people would look, but most who looked spend a lot time arguing over physical evidence and that was the original plan to keep the curious entertained. Hardly anybody used the direct evidence like the inside trading and it seems it immediately resulted in a much clearer picture.

But stopping them is not very likely. Henry K. at age 76 still couldn't resist to add another crime against humanity to his endless list. The positive thing is that he will not be remembered as the great statesman, but as one of the human rats. The same to the Bushes and the same for the Greenbergs, Bremers etc. And maybe it prevent Rudy from his dream of president...

[mirandapriestly]

30. It's literally all connected

When people talk about the impossibility of conspiracies because they would involve too many people, it's ridiculous, because it's all the same people with different names.

[DrDebug]

32. It's the same bunch

Greenberg-Traurig also started the Waymark Group who financed the Oklahoma City Bombing. We already seen that 9/11 is the same script and contains the same players as Iran-Contra.

They function as a shadow government. It's a mix of intelligence community, semi-legitimate corporations and corrupt politicians. The reason why they can keep it secret is very simple. They have so much dirt on each other that nobody dares to break the silence.

[rman]

59. It's a mix...

Certainly it is, but i think it is inaccurate to say that part of it is "the intelligence community". After all John O'Neil (and several other 'good guys') also were/are part of the intel community, but are not part of a shadow govt. Not that i think that you think he was...

I'd say it's a criminal network that extends throughout government, corporations (including financial institutions), the intel community, and segments of the 'traditional' criminal community.

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38. Know your BFEE: Homeland Czar & Petro-Turd Bernie Kerik

by Octafish

Not to belabor the point, this guy is little more than a shill for the Rudy the Wife-swapping Turd Giuliani and the Bush Organized Crime Family, Saudi Division. Campaigning for the drunken coke-whore AWOL psychotic moron, Kerrick had the cheek to say if Kerry were elected, Osama would strike again.

How interesting. Does he know something we don't know? How many dots did Smirko miss? Well, the Bushes and the bin Ladens have been business partners for years. Hey, Kerrick! Buy a clue, uh? -- before it's too late for Metropolis.

The following article from Newsday, which should know a bum when they see one, says this turd was in over his bald head as a narc and police commissioner of Gotham. It also spells out areas of interest where he and the BFEE can make money in the future -- Carlyle, Trireme Partnerships and whatever else the Big Money War Boys have going. So, as head of Homeland Security, we can be certain he won't mind doing whatever he's ordered to do by satan's monkey.

Kerik nomination is a ticking time bomb
Ellis Henican
December 3, 2004

Campaign bodyguard to Rudy Giuliani.

Errand boy for the Saudi royal family.

Energetic exploiter of Sept. 11th tragedy.

Tough-talking publicity-hound vowing to bring law and order to Iraq - then hightailing it out of there after a disastrous 14 weeks, leaving the place far less safe than he found it.

Oh, the bullet points on Bernie Kerik's real-life resume just go on and on. But is this really the guy we want standing between us and the terrorists?

CONTINUED...

http://www.newsday.com/news/columnists/ny-nyhen03406394...

Much more at:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

[mirandapriestly]

47. He reminds me exactly

of a Mafia thug. Interesting that he worked in Saudi Arabia. I read somewhere that Hitler also hired people from positions such as "bodyguard" for high government jobs, like bushler tried to do
Did you ever see the video of Giuliani at a press conference and when he can't remember something Kerik whispers it out of the side of his mouth..
Underneath all the lies, they're all just a bunch of heavy crime types.

[DrDebug]

48. Power corrupts... absolute power corrupts absolutely

Loyalty is the most important aspect and bodyguards are extremely loyal to their bosses, because that's inherent with their job. Capabilities are not that important, because you don't want to know too much. You need a couple like Cheney who know everything, but it's not important.

Hitler had three very big guys, Goebbels, Goering and Rommel who ran their own kingdom and they weren't loyal at all. Bush is the same, because he does want to know details, because what you don't know, you don't know, so he wants loyal people and not more Cheneys, Perles and Jebs who run their own kingdom.

Milosevic was probably much like Cheney. It was clear during his case. It was very sad that very little was made public, because Milosevic was fascinating in a weird sense. He kept on going until he scored a point and was proven right and then he sat back and smiled and wanted to move on and didn't even care whether it was relevant. He knew every single detail and had a brilliant (evil) mind.

Bush on the other hand is more the Hitler type, he has big ideas, but he doesn't want to know details and wants loyalty instead. He probably has a similar temperament with sudden outbursts of anger. They try to conceal it but sometimes it shows.

Rudi and his goons are thugs. I'm sure that he was in London for a reason as well. He didn't just happen to be there. So he must fit in this story somewhere as well and probably high up, because they needed him to do London as well.

[DrDebug]

43. Let's work towards Rudy. We've looked at WTC1 and 2. WTC7:Rudy's bunker

The amazing fire which caused WTC 7 to be pulled.

The Secrecy-Shrouded Building Holding Giuliani's Command Center

Building 7 was the dark flat-topped 47-story skyscraper immediately north of the World Trade Center super-block, across Vesey Street. Its designation as 7 World Trade Center is somewhat misleading: whereas WTC 1 through 6 surrounded the WTC plaza and were completed in the 1970s, Building 7 was 300 feet from the plaza and its construction did not begun until 1985. (1) It was of an entirely different architectural style than the other six buildings. It was completely destroyed late in the afternoon on September 11th. (2)

Emergency Command Center

The 23rd floor of Building 7 had received 15 million dollars' worth of renovations to create an emergency command center for then-Mayor Rudolf Giuliani. The features of the command center include:

Bullet- and bomb-resistant windows

An independent, secure air and water supply

The ability to withstand winds of 200 mph

These renovations were applied only to the 23rd floor. (3, 4) The command-center bunker was the the subject of much ridicule when it was created. (5)

Documents and Command Center Destroyed

At the time of its destruction, Building 7 housed documents relating to numerous SEC investigations. The files for approximately three to four thousand cases were destroyed, according to the Los Angeles Times. Among the destroyed documents were ones that may have demonstrated the relationship between Citigroup and the WorldCom bankruptcy. (6)

Compiled from:

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/background/wtc7.html

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/wtc7/index.htm...

Interesting tenants:
The building has many interesting tenants like Secret Service and the CIA, however those tenants are black box. Other candidates: (8)

Salomon Smith Barney: part of Citigroup, inside trader and they also stored the evidence with regards to WorldCom.

Standard Chartered Bank: Moussaoui incident. (7)

Office of Emergency Management: See above

American Express Bank International: Inside trader.

ITT Hartford Insurance Group: Name sounds familiar... Kissinger... Chile... John McCone... $1 million... I'll think I'll add a reply to Henry K. as a reminder...

Well even though we do not focus that much on physical evidence in these threads.


"Amazing, incredible pick your word. For the third time today, it’s reminiscent of those pictures we’ve all seen too much on television before, where a building was deliberately destroyed by well placed dynamite to knock it down." (9)


Sources:
1. http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/bu/?id=114932
2. http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/attack/wtc7.html
3. http://www.washingtontechnology.com/news/16_14/state/17...
4. http://www.gothamgazette.com/iotw/terrorism /
5. Divided We Stand, Basic Books, 1990, page 151
6. http://www.nylawyer.com/news/01/09/091701e.html
7. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
8. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_World_Trade_Center_t...
9. Dan Rather, CBS News, September 11, 2001 +/- 5:30pm EST

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[mirandapriestly]

81. Rudy Foreknowledge & Anti-Rudy Article

His temporary headquarters were in a back office of Merrill Lynch.
"Foreknowledge of the Collapse: One more possibly relevant fact is that then Mayor Rudy Giuliani, talking on ABC News about his temporary emergency command center at 75 Barkley Street, said:
We were operating out of there when we were told that the World Trade Center was gonna collapse, and it did collapse before we could get out of the building.<59>
For Giuliani’s complete statement, see “Who told Giuliani the WTC Was Going to Collapse on 9/11?”, What Really Happened, n.d. it can be heard at www.wireonfire.com/donpaul.
http://911review.com/articles/griffin/nyc1.html

(But he DID NOT mention knowing they were going to come down at the Moussaouii trial.)

http://www.onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_673...

"Mayor Giuliani -- a former federal prosecutor who won notice for 'pursuing' the Mafia -- had relatives linked to organized crime, including a mobbed-up cousin who was gunned down by FBI agents in 1977, a new book says. Lewis D'Avanzo, a son of the mayor's uncle and a guest at Giuliani's first wedding in 1968, was a 'ruthless and widely feared mob associate' who headed a massive stolen car ring, according to FBI documents and interviews detailed in Rudy! An Investigative Biography of Rudolph Giuliani, by Village Voice senior editor Wayne Barrett....

“ . . . The book sketches a largely unflattering portrait of the clan, depicting his father, Harold, as a hothead and the "muscle" behind a brother-in-law's loansharking operation, run out of a Brooklyn bar. Along with cracking heads, it says the mayor's father served time in state prison for a stickup, rarely held an on-the-books job and once was a gunman in a mob shootout in Brighton Beach, Brooklyn....

...“According to the book, Giuliani's cousin Lewis D'Avanzo was known as ‘Steve the Blond’ and listed as armed and dangerous in FBI bulletins. His criminal record included a 10-year federal sentence for the armed hijacking of a truck loaded with $240,000 worth of mercury. The book alleges that he was suspected of taking part in several murders. D'Avanzo was gunned down by the FBI in October 1977, when he tried to run down an agent after being stopped on a warrant that accused him and two associates of transporting 100 stolen luxury cars."...


..."Leo D'Avanzo, who was known in family circles as a black sheep, ran loansharking and gambling operations out of a Brooklyn bar where Giuliani's father worked as a bartender. In his role as debt collector, his father 'broke legs, smashed kneecaps, crunched noses . . ." And so on and on
You’ve come a long way Rudy to World Hero. Or have you? Remember that slip of the tongue from Tom Kenney of FEMA’s National Urban Search and Rescue Team, telling Dan Rather of CBS News that FEMA had arrived in New York on the night of September 10, 2001 (what a coincidence). And you, Rudy, were supposed to use this as your command post on 9/11/2001, after you were to evacuate WTC 7.
And there you were at the trial, telling the people to listen to the tapes of dying people in the Towers, when it was your crew that told those people to stay in the buildings. Why didn’t you tell the courtroom like you did Peter Jennings that WTC 7 was going to fall, or even that Towers 1 and 2 were going to fall? You could hear the detonations going off from both buildings. You knew all this and ran around like Captain Video with his Video Rangers, and never said a word.

And those tapes from the planes. They’re baloney. More CIA productions like the Osama tapes. First of all cell phones didn’t work then from nearly seven miles up. It’s a scientific fact. It wasn’t till 2004 that American Airlines spent millions to install cell “towers” in the nosecones of their planes so that cell phone calls could be made. And the ones being played are fakes, cruel jokes. Is that why the public is not allowed to hear them?

Kristen Breitweiser on Rudy:
..." just listen to what this 9/11 widow, Kristen Breitweiser, posted under “Giuliani’s Deadly Impact?” at huffingtonpost.com on Wednesday.

“Can someone please explain to me why Rudy Giuliani gets to give a victim's impact statement at the Moussaoui penalty phase hearing? Which family member did Guiliani lose in the attacks?

“Forgive me, but Giuliani is the person responsible for deciding to locate NYC's emergency command center in the World Trade Center along with a diesel fuel tank (against the advice of certain FDNY officials) before 9/11."

she goes on to describe how this decision to put a command center in a "terrorist" target caused calamity because because commuications were terrible & was no central command because of course when the target was hit it would be useless. So you don't put a command center in a target

[mirandapriestly]

82. Moderator

the above article mentions "What really happened", but it is not from that web site, and it is not a link. I can not edit it it's been up too long.

[mirandapriestly]

89. Kerik Started Police Force In Iraq.

http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/264844p-226828c....
...
"Within days, the Daily News published the results of a six-month investigation finding Kerik failed to report thousands of dollars in gifts, became entangled with a company long suspected of mob ties and had carried on two simultaneous extramarital affairs in a secret apartment near Ground Zero.

This week, The News ran the content of E-mails Kerik sent to a friend in 1999 that suggest he was willing to divulge confidential details of a city investigation to the subject of the probe, Interstate Industrial of Clifton, N.J.

The paper's hard look at Kerik flowed from previous News investigations that led to the arrest of two high-ranking officials promoted by Kerik when he headed the city Correction Department.

Giuliani's firm announced yesterday that Giuliani-Kerik, an affiliate of Giuliani Partners, had been renamed Giuliani Security & Safety. Daniel Connolly, special counsel to the city Law Department under Giuliani, was named acting chairman and CEO.

Giuliani said he is not angry at Kerik, adding that he hopes people will remember that Kerik risked his life as a cop and in starting a police force in Iraq.

"He put his life at risk to protect them," Giuliani said.

He stood before a judge in state Supreme Court in the Bronx and admitted to having illegally accepted $165,000 in free renovations from a contractor with alleged links to the mob while he was the city correction commissioner.

http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/431630p-363690c....

Kerik also admitted making calls on behalf of the city contractor, Interstate Industrial, even as the company was under investigation by city, state and federal authorities.

"I admit that I took a gift from Interstate Companies or a subsidiary, and thinking they were clean, I spoke to city officials about Interstate on two occasions," Kerik said before Judge John Collins during the 10-minute proceeding.

The second charge involved Kerik failing to report a $28,000 loan from Nathan Berman, a prominent real estate developer - money that authorities said Kerik used to help buy the apartment."

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91. And they've renamed the company again...

These threads are filled with sudden name changes after some sort of scandal...

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110. Yes! I've noticed that

now the company is for "safety and security".

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39. Henry Kissinger, Butcher of Cambodia

Let's start with some 9/11 links discover upto now:
Henry K. -> American International Group
Henry K. -> Marsh
Henry K. -> Marsh Crisis Consultancy
Henry K. -> Paul Bremer (former CEO of Henry and Associates)
Henry K. -> Adnan Khashoggi
Henry K. -> Enron
Henry K. -> Blackstone Group
Henry K. -> Peter J. Peterson
Henry K. -> CFR
Henry K. -> Greenberg-Traurig
George W. Bush wanted to add Henry K. -> 9/11 Commission as well

Biography:

Henry Alfred Kissinger, (born May 27, 1923), butcher of Cambodia, former United States Secretary of State in the Nixon and Ford Administrations who played a dominant role in foreign affairs between 1969 and 1977.

Kissinger played a role in the September 11, 1973, coup by Augusto Pinochet against the government of Chilean President Salvador Allende.

In December 1975, Kissinger and Ford met with President Suharto of Indonesia; on that occasion they gave their approval for his invasion of East Timor, which led to the massacre of 200,000 Timorese.

He continued to participate in secret lobby groups such as the Trilateral Commission and the Bilderberg and to do political consulting, speaking, and writing. The Who Killed John O'Neill investigation names Henry Kissinger over and over again as deeply involved with the 9/11 attack. Nevertheless President George W. Bush in 2002 wanted to appoint Kissinger to chair a committee to investigate the events of the September 11 attacks.

Kissinger was sadly rewarded the Nobel Peace Prize for his efforts in the peace negotiation in Vietnam. His war crimes were sadly overlooked, because the number of deaths Kissinger was responsible for is enormous.

Kissinger and War Crimes

The February and March 2001 issues of Harper's Magazine featured a two-part series of articles by British journalist Christopher Hitchens on the case for charging Kissinger with war crimes

Kissinger and War Crimes

Aliases: Henry Alfred Kissinger, Heinz Alfred Kissinger, Butcher of Cambodia Age: 80+ Sex: Male Build: Heavy Race: White

In the minutes of a secret 1975 meeting of the National Security Council attended by President Ford reveal Henry Kissinger grumbling, "It is an act of insanity and national humiliation to have a law prohibiting the President from ordering assassination." - Lost Crusader: The Secret Wars of CIA Director William Colby, by John Prados, Oxford University Press, 2003

The February and March 2001 issues of Harper's Magazine feature a series by Christopher Hitchens on the case for charging Kissinger with War Crimes. Part I: The making of a war criminal Part 2 will feature an extensive section on East Timor.

Christopher Hitchens' Trial of Henry Kissinger: A Review By Mike McGlothlin ... ( http://www.spectacle.org/0501/kissinger.html )

Hitchens presents a rather straightforward argument that establishes two seemingly undeniable propositions: on at least one occasion, Henry K. conspired to commit murder, and that on numerous other occasions, Henry K. was the primary force behind certain acts that could quite plausibly be considered war crimes. The case for Henry K. as murder conspirator is what Hitchens calls a "lay-down" case, i.e., one that stands out for its clear facts and clear law.

The murder victim is General Rene Schneider, who was the Commander in Chief of the Chilean Army, whom Hitchens misidentifies as the Chilean "Chief of Staff."; According to Hitchens (and the 09 September, 1970 minutes of the "40" Committee, the Kissinger chaired secret panel that oversaw U.S. covert operations), the Chilean military had a strong tradition of neutrality in political affairs, a rarity on the South American continent. General Schneider was known as an officer committed to upholding the Chilean constitution and therefore opposed to the rumored incipient coup against newly elected Socialist President Salvador Allende by a right wing would- be junta of current and former Chilean military officers. Using U.S. Government communications cables from the CIA and documents from the State Department, and White House, Hitchens relates the facts of Kissinger's direct involvement in the direction, planning, financing, and general support by the organs of the U.S. Government in the plot to remove General Schneider.

LA Weekly: WLS Review: Henry: Portrait of a Serial Kissinger ( http://www.laweekly.com/ink/01/23/wls-goldin.php )

http://www.zpub.com/un/wanted-hkiss.html

The Case Against Kissinger

The Case Against Henry Kissinger
By Christopher Hitchens

Here is the secret in plain words. In the fall of 1968, Richard Nixon and some of his emissaries and underlings set out to sabotage the Paris peace negotiations on Vietnam. The means they chose were simple: they privately assured the South Vietnamese military rulers that an incoming Republican regime would offer them a better deal than would a Democratic one.

In this way, they undercut both the talks themselves and the electoral strategy of Vice President Hubert Humphrey. The tactic "worked," in that the South Vietnamese junta withdrew from the talks on the eve of the election, thereby destroying the peace initiative on which the Democrats had based their campaign.

In another way, it did not "work," because four years later the Nixon Administration tried to conclude the war on the same terms that had been on offer in Paris. The reason for the dead silence that still surrounds the question is that in those intervening years some 20,000 Americans and an uncalculated number of Vietnamese, Cambodians, and Laotians lost their lives. Lost them, that is to say, even more pointlessly than had those slain up to that point. The impact of those four years on Indochinese society, and on American democracy, is beyond computation. The chief beneficiary of the covert action, and of the subsequent slaughter, was Henry Kissinger.

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http://www.mega.nu:8080/ampp/hitchens_on_kissinger.html

The Kissinger Videos

Very much recommended!

Wilfried Huismann - The Kissinger File

Pinochet barely got away with it. Milosevic was not so fortunate. He was arrested and then extradited to the War Crimes Tribunal at the Hague. Both one time heads of state stand accused of Crimes Against Humanity - both were dictators. Henry Kissinger, however, could be the first representative of a democratic country to stand before the Hague high court.

Video at: http://www.thedossier.ukonline.co.uk/video_elitesecrets...

BBC Four - The Trials of Henry Kissinger

Assassination, secret bombings and massacre. War crimes committed by Kissinger.

Video at: http://www.thedossier.ukonline.co.uk/video_elitesecrets...

Henry K. scandal overview: (not complete...)

9/11

AIG

Salvador Allende

Argentina

Bank of Credit and Commerce International

Bilderberg Group

Bohemian Grove

Chile

Council on Foreign Relations

Cyprus coup

Election fraud 2000

Election fraud 2004

Al Haig

Lavoro Bank

Mack McLarty

J.P. Morgan and Co

Operation Condor

Operation Jennifer

Richard Perle

Augusto Pinochet

Trilateral Commission

Unocal

Watergate

External links:

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Kissinger/HKissinger....

http://www.bilderberg.org/kissing.htm

http://www.