Compare This Tower Implosion with the WTC

[DemInDistress]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NisFSUyieO4&mode=related&search=

then review this video from WT2.. http://www.terrorize.dk/911/wtc2dem3/flashindex.php



Notice the flashes in the northeast corner? What are those bright flashes? Cutter charges? Then look here on the southside of WT2 the upper floors in the corner also show cutter charges I'll admit it looks smokey but notice the bright flash(s). Three of them are discernable
http://www.terrorize.dk/911/wtc2dem25/index.php?url=911.wtc.2.implosion.sw.flashes.high.up.flv&p=1#player

and explosive sound here: http://www.mediumrecords.com/wtc/audio01.html#varick4

sad to say,"911 was an inside job"

[sabbat hunter]

1. completely different

in the you tube one, there are massive explosions at the bottom of the tower which is absolutely necessary for controlled demolition.

the flash charges going up the building in the youtube video go off in sequence. no such sequence happens in the WTC

the building in the picture took weeks to wire up correctly for the demolition. no such period of time was available to wire the WTC, especially along the outer areas which would have required stripping hte walls to expose the beams for wiring.

there would have had to be "cutter charge" up the entire length of the WTC for controlled demolition to take place.

if the charges arent in just the right places the building either would not fall.

[DemInDistress]

2. wrong... in the you tube demolition "neatness counted"

we wouldn't want "LAWSUITS" would we? whereas in the WTC uncontrolled demolition neatness wasn't a factor.
Just destroy the buildings bring them down period.
Did you watch the second video Mr.D ? What did you see Mr.D.?

[sabbat hunter]

3. i saw

two completely different events.

and it isnt a matter of "neatness" it is a matter of actually being able to bring the structure down with explosives. the core and the exterior structure would need to be wired to do so. no massive explosion happened at the base of the WTC. without that the entire theory has a huge whole in it.

[Jazz2006]

4. Yes, entirely different.

Is that the Landmark Tower implosion? If so, there's a better video of it here:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6979955002470780153&pl=true

which shows the marked differences even more clearly.

[quickesst]

5. Not so fast..

SH wrote, "the building in the picture took weeks to wire up correctly for the demolition. no such period of time was available to wire the WTC, especially along the outer areas which would have required stripping hte walls to expose the beams for wiring."

When I do my framing and drywall job, I'm usually the last person to see the bare exterior columns. Unless they're fire-rated,(utility, electical rooms,etc) They get one layer of five-eighths sheetrock. Oh yeah, I'm doing this from inside the building(The exterior would be essentially complete, and the building in the dry before drywall is hung. If you look up at the ceiling, you will most likely encounter an acousical ceiling. Usually, the specs only call for the sheetrock to be above the ceiling heighth, but something this size would probably be a continuous wrap. Above the ceiling is where you will find the electical, HVAC, sprinklers and such. Perimenter columns are also accessable this way, as are the interior columns. They are easily accessed with a sheetrock saw, or a hammer, whichever you prefer. Being above the ceiling, any tampering would not be noticed While much is made of the time required to rig such an operation, the WTC was not fully occupied, and renovations were occurring also. Lot's of workers in and out. The opportunity existed. Thanks.
quickesst

[Jazz2006]

8. When you do your framing and drywalling.....

have you ever planted explosives along the way or ever been asked to do so?

Just asking, because that's one of the theories floating around here ~ that the destruction was built into the construction.

Other than that, your post really had nothing to do with mine, and nothing to do with the subject at hand either.

Unless, of course, doing framing and drywalling in whatever buildings you've worked in also means that you were somewhere remotely close to being "the last person to see the bare exterior columns" of the WTC towers, and unless, of course, you rigged them with explosives for future reference ~ ~ ~ in which case, I'll ask how many explosives did you plant in the towers and at whose behest?

Did you ever do any framing and drywalling at the WTC towers? Did you ever see their "bare exterior columns"? Did you plant explosives at the behest of anyone?

Doing "framing and drywalling" generically does not in any way equate to having any knowledge of the WTC towers at all, let alone "being the last person to see the bare exterior columns" of the WTC towers, obviously. I hired two guys to do framing and drywalling at my cottage very recently after having an addition built on to it, for instance, but I'm quite sure that they have no more knowledge of the WTC towers than you do.

If I'm wrong about that and you have some kind of specific and personal knowledge about the towers, do tell.

Not that that takes away from your framing and drywalling experience and expertise at all, by the way, because it doesn't. I have no reason to doubt that you're a framing/drywalling guy and I have no reason to doubt that you're reasonably good at what you do. But I don't quite see how your framing and drywalling expertise relates to the topic at hand.

[quickesst]

12. I stand by...

my claims of easy accessibility. No, I didn't work on the WTC, and no I did not plant explosives. Building basics are same in any steel office structure, steel, concrete, and drywall. Believe me, they hung the sheetrock the same as anywhere under similar circumstances. New York sheetrock is not any more complicated than Arkansas sheetrock, California sheetrock, or Timbuktu sheetrock. Anyone who has access to an office building simply has to walk to a perimeter wall, lift a ceiling tile, then come back and tell me what you were able to see.(take a flashlight) Every floor of every multi-floor office building has an air space between it, and the next floor. All that plumbing, electrical, HVAC, sprinklers, etc. does not work by magic. It has to go somewhere. If you're not familiar with my line of work, I can't take your suppositions about it seriously. The lack of acknowledgement concerning using SH's quote only tells me you did not read, or absorb the content that clearly shows the intent of my reply.

Now, I did make a huge, and obviously in your case, befuddling error. I hit the reply button on your post instead of SabbatHunter's. I did however, think that the direct quote I used from SH's post would be some kind of clue as to who, and what I was responding to. I suppose I could make an announcement at the beginning of my posts stating the exact name of who I am responding to, but I would also hope the participants in this debate wouldn't need a neon sign. Thanks.
quickesst

A little ps for ya: SH's post mentioned stripping the outer wall in order to plant explosives. What part of my post doesn't have anything to do with the subject being discussed. Why not back up, post a PM to SabbatHunter and berate him for bringing up a subject "that has nothing to do with the content of this thread". Using your logic, it's a reasonable suggestion.:shrug:

[DemInDistress]

15. your right jazz.. this google video is better also check this out.

in the Landmark demolition there are 2 sets of detonations. The first is obviously cutter charges followed by a pause then several massive blasts are heard.
Now listen again to the cutter charges going off inside the Landmark Tower then listen to this clip from terrorize.dk of these 4 dudes who appear to have wired Wt7. How did they know that this building would be coming down soon?


Then listen to this clip closely first a massive blast, then right
after you hear "coming down soon" identical blasts like that in the
the Landmark Tower

http://www.terrorize.dk/911/wtc7dem1/911.wtc.7.comming.down.soon.wmv
when I first heard this clatter it sounded like a mechanical drill chopping concrete this it dawned on me after again listening to the Landmark detonations there identical. At least 9 blasts before the video ends. Look and listen jazz.

[Jazz2006]

27. I've watched and listened

to the brief video that you linked to, and it sounds entirely different than the Landmark tower to me.

And what makes you think that "these 4 dudes" "appear to have wired Wt7?"

Does the terrorize site identify the source of the video?

[DemInDistress]

34. can't tell you jazzy...I don't know but how did they know

the building was coming down . what was that massive blast? You heard that, I surely like to see more myself and that clatter I heard sounded similiar to the Landmark demolition.
What do you see in this video jazz? http://www.terrorize.dk/911/wtc2dem3/911.wtc.2.demolition.east.5.enl.slow.3.wmv

[mirandapriestly]

7. exactly, no concern for safety.nt

[mirandapriestly]

6. You don't know

what was going on at the world trade center. Opportunities existed on the floors and offices which were unoccupied. Further, there is discussion about Marsh and their criminal activity; they were an anchor tenant and occupied the floors which were impacted by the wtc 1.
You'll say there is no proof, but there is no proof that there was no access either.
Further, the reason it is not as "neat" is because there was not the same concern for safety in the preparation. There appeared to be "overkill".

In any case the wtc footage bears much more resemblance to the implosion as it does to any fire in a skyscraper. Can't compare it to a collapse from a fire in a skyscraper, BECAUSE THERE'S NEVER BEEN ONE.

[Jazz2006]

9. Too funny (well it would be if it weren't so bad)

"You don't know what was going on at the world trade center"

And, apparently, you do, so ... what was going on at the world trade center? Do tell. In detail.

"Opportunities existed on the floors and offices which were unoccupied."

Again, do tell, in detail. What are these opportunities of which you speak and which floors and offices were unoccupied? (Hint- not the ones you previously claimed repeatedly before being proved wrong)

"Further, there is a discussion about Marsh and their criminal activity"

There is a discussion? Wow. What does it mean to say that "there is a discussion" about something? I know that there is a discussion about the fact that certain posters around here are a bit strange and not too bright, for instance, but I don't think it means anything in the big picture. I know that there has been a discussion about how odd it is that some people simply refuse to utilize critical thinking skills, for instance, but I don't think that means anything in the big picture. Is it significant, in your view, that there has "been a discussion" about Marsh without any further detail?

"about Marsh and their criminal activity"

Any proof of "their criminal activity" on their part? I could just as easily say that there has been a discussion here about you and your criminal activity ~ although I am not aware of any discussion about you as it pertains to criminal activity so I wouldn't say that - but others with lower standards (and you know that there are lots of you around) could and would easily allege such things wholly out of nowhere, and then what? You'd be okay with that? If you are, then by your standards, I could start a thread about you and your criminal activity, whether it was true or not, and then I could adopt your words and say "there has been a discussion about miranda and her criminal activity" and it would be all true. Are you really okay with that standard of "truth" that you seem to be utilizing? I wouldn't be.

"They were an anchor tenant and occupied the floors which were impacted by the wtc1"

(Nonsensical and grammatically incomprehensible sentence ~ not sure what you meant to say here)

"You'll say there is no proof, but there is no proof that here was no access either."

(Another incomprehensible sentence ~ again, what are you trying to say here and what are you talking about ~ proof of no proof of... what?)

"Further, the reason it is not as "neat" is because there was not the same concern for safety in the preparation. There appeared to be "overkill".

Again, a rather tortured sentence, but at least comprehensible. That said, I think I need to know the meaning of the incomprehensible sentences above before responding to this one since it might have a bearing on the answer.

"In any case the wtc footage bears much more resemblance to the implosion as it does to any fire in a skyscraper."

Another tortured attempt to make A=B by way of strawman C which says nothing. The Landmark implosion looks nothing like the collapse of the WTC towers and you know that. It's been to death on other threads here and you're now trying to skate on that fact.

"Can't compare it to a collapse from a fire in a skyscraper, BECAUSE THERE'S NEVER BEEN ONE."

Another strawman ~ the WTC towers did not come down from fire alone. But you knew that.

[mirandapriestly]

10. You don't understand the definition of "strawman" either

you people always use that word and you don't understand the meaning. Please look up the definition.
The airplane impact did not result in the collapse of the building. It has been attributed to the fires after the fireball burned out. The steel was supposedly softened by the fires, but the fires did not reach temperatures hot enough to do this. This has been discussed many times before.
Listen to Kevin Ryan's interview. You won't, though.
Marsh and other anchor tenants like AIG have been under investigation for criminal activity. Why don't you learn something before you make your unknowledgeable posts. read Dr Debugs posts for more information. But you won't...

[DrDebug]

11. His reply means that we are on the right track

And the-catbird-seat has many stories about these companies. They are not that clean.

KROLL
THE CONSPIRATOR
http://www.the-catbird-seat.net/KROLL.htm

There are many many pages on Marsh
http://www.the-catbird-seat.net/MM-Mercer.htm

There is a special AIG - 9/11 greed page

Allied World Assurance Company
The 9-11 Axis of Greed and Evil
http://www.the-catbird-seat.net/AlliedWorldAssurance.htm

etc. Like Sibel said these are semi-legitimate companies.

[mirandapriestly]

17. Semi legitimate companies

I don't think it is a coincidence they were in the world trade center and 9-11, either.

[LARED]

13. What are you talking about?

The airplane impact did not result in the collapse of the building. It has been attributed to the fires after the fireball burned out.

Wrong. The damage to the structure and the fires are attributed to the collapse.

The steel was supposedly softened by the fires, but the fires did not reach temperatures hot enough to do this. This has been discussed many times before.

It has been discussed at length. How CT'er fail to grasp the fact is hard to understand. The fires without question got hot enough to affect the steel. There is no doubt about this.

Listen to Kevin Ryan's interview. You won't, though.

Well, you're right, after reading his past writings it is clear he is well meaning but well out of his realm of knowledge. Why would I spend a hour listening to someone that does not understand what they are talking about?

Why don't you learn something before you make your unknowledgeable posts. read Dr Debugs posts for more information. But you won't...

How ironic.

[quickesst]

14. How is this woman...

able to lean against one of those columns to peer outward? She did not survive the collapse, but I believe she could have walked out of the building if not for the obvious demolition.

Lared wrote: "It has been discussed at length. How CT'er fail to grasp the fact is hard to understand. The fires without question got hot enough to affect the steel. There is no doubt about this."

I get the red x trying to post the pic, but here is the url. Thanks.
quickesst




<http://911lies.org/WTC_collapse_demolition_explosions.html>

[LARED]

18. You're kidding right?

The WTC were about 40,000 sq-ft each floor. I did not all burn at once. She is standing in an area that was no longer on fire.

[mirandapriestly]

16. Oh it was hot enough alright

but not from the fires. Now you are more knowledgeable than Kevin Ryan? You people and your supposed expertise try to create the illusion that you "know more" than him or any of the other people who have written their suspicions about 9-11. I have no reason to believe you. Posters attempting to support the Bush administration/ corporate media version of events have quadrupled your efforts here for some reason; if it was just a bunch of silly nonsense then why would you bother? If you really care about people saying things that you don't believe are scientifically true why don't you care about this? :
The group of nobel laureate scientists protest Bush distortion of science to support his own policies.
http://www.ucsusa.org/news/press_release/preeminent-scientists-protest-bush-administrations-misuse-of-science.html

and the anchor tenants of WTC have been under investigation and have ties to intelligence agencies, which understandably raises questions considering their links to 9-11.

[LARED]

19. So if the fires did not make it hot

what did?

And yes, based on what Ryan has said I know I'm more knowledgeable that he is in regards to the WTC failure modes.

[mirandapriestly]

20. If the fires were so "hot" Lared

How could Kevin Cosgrove make this call from inside the building just before it collapses? (You can hear the collapse begin) It is apparent that there are neither raging fires or heat in the kinds of ranges needed to effect steel in any way. Heat would have had to have been applied to specific areas, which has been discussed before.

Kevin Cosgrove (not for the faint of heart) Oh, and ignore the explosion noises in the background.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EE9TLgCVLBM

[LARED]

21. The poor guy was on the 105th floor

No one is making the argument that all 40,000 sqft per floor and all floors were on fire. Jeez, use your head.

[Grateful for Hope]

23. So, where were the fires?

Just askin'...

[LARED]

32. I don't understand your question

There are thousands of images out there that show combinations of fire, smoke billowing out of the towers, and people jumping to their death to avoid the fires!!!!

Have you not seen them?

[Name removed]

33. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[mirandapriestly]

37. unbelievable

I mean that literally, it's unbelievable, the whole thing. Thanks for the post, Quick. So, none of the floors even the impact floors were engulfed in flames initially, we see that by the number of people who survived and we are supposed to believe that these fires developed into infernos feeding off of what? metal desks?

[Grateful for Hope]

24. I googled Kevin Cosgrove and "memorial"

and came upon a memorial site for him. His last minutes here were shared with so many, that I wanted to make sure that he was being honored in some way.

He definitely is:

http://www.9-11heroes.us/v/Kevin_M_Cosgrove.php

[BuddyYoung]

30. Could wind have maybe blown the heat inward, thus creating a "safe" spot?

If not, why not?

[Grateful for Hope]

22. OMG, what a video...

yes, you hear the start of the collapse, and you do not hear that the heat is too intense to bear from Kevin. And, yes, there are explosions in the background.

I hadn't heard this one before. I am speechless.

[mirandapriestly]

25. Isn't it just awful?

I think the reason they wouldn't release it is because it contradicts how bad the conditions were in the tower as a whole. Above and below the impact area it was not that bad and on the impact area we have a picture of a lady standing right there. She obviously had walked through it. The pictures I have seen of buildings that DID NOT fail are flaming from top to bottom. WTC 7 is worse, they talk about how the fires blazed unchecked, then they show a picture of this building where you can't see any fire.

[DemInDistress]

28. we also have firemen reports from the 78th floor in WT2.. two

small pockets of fire. Surely they could have beaten back those fires in short time but the firemen didn't know about that errant thermite charge bleeding down molten metal from the 80th floor. It's my guess the murderers (BFEE) saw that and decided to blow the building. I feel if they allowed the metal to drip some folks downstairs would have picked up the dripping metal.
With the many "white flashes" detonations from planted explosives already seen by us (DU-er's) that are on videotape it makes for a tough case of fires melted the steel to points where it dripped like flowing liquid.
I myself have seen as many as 20 blasts (white flashes).
Kevin Cosgrove may he rest in heaven brought a tear to my eye and I'm a man. I don't want to die, I have kids
where the hell is the help we need. He didn't know that our chickenshit president was reading a goat story.


miranda take a quick look at this video and listen to the blasts. First there is a 'MASSIVE EXPLOSION" followed by some talk and after the demo expert says coming down soon listen to the clatter. It sounded like a mechanical drill to me at first then I saw the Landmark Tower demo. I say that clatter is "linear shaped charges going off" then the tape stops. Yes, its a grainy video but use some imagination.
here: http://www.terrorize.dk/911/wtc7dem1/911.wtc.7.comming.down.soon.wmv

[mirandapriestly]

35. Of Course, DiD, I forgot about that one

They would have us believe that the carpet, furniture, etc... remained on fire, but I just don't believe it because for one thing, most of the furniture was probably metal, the building materials were not flammable, I mean, not much was...it's ridiculous that we are supposed to think that there were these super hot fires. How long would it take before the carpets had burned down and for that matter were they even flammable? Most carpets are some kind of artificial material that melts, if anything. What was there to catch fire that would last? The airplane fuel was gone in seconds, even they admit that. The paper we see outside was WHITE, how did it escape this blaze?

(Re: the boom video:Distant "boom", then the guy says: "Didja hear that? Keep yer eye on that buildin' it'll be comin' down soon.". How the hell did they know that? Good one, DiD)

[DemInDistress]

36. thanks miranda I bet "we the people" have enough evidence

to convene a Grand Jury. This without the help from our government and their with holding of vast amounts of materials like 7,000 photo's, hundreds of hours of videotapes, documents, key witness testimony (Sibel Edmonds,others) and all MSM records/videotapes/interviews.
I wish for another Deep Throat and a Daniel Ellsberg to come forward and open this can of worms for all the world to see.
One more issue miranda check out this video and tell me I saw a mirage. At 1:40 seconds into this video I see a tremendous cascade of WT1 debris flowing like a waterfall gone wild. Is that a camera foul up or the real thing? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJig1wj7oLI&mode=related&search=sept_11_2001
its a 2 minute video with commentary from citizens at home.

edit for spelling

[Poll_Blind]

26. Same here. It's a beautiful day outside, I spent most of it in the sun.

  I went to a local outdoor market and had a double order of phad thai, washed it down with purple sweet hibiscus tea. The ladies looked at me with my tanned skin, well-manicured hair and hands and I, as they say, looked back. It was a charming day but a fantasy of sorts. Because when I got home, as I always do, I checked DU. To remember what is really important. To keep a painful but necessary fire burning.

  So I've got tears on those freshly-shaved tanned cheeks, the silver watch is on the table- I don't want anything touching me after listening to that poor man, everything seems to grate against my nerves. The freshly-cut and coiffed hair is slick with the sweat from my hands, having run through it again and again in frustration. The complimentary body-hugging cloths are off and I'm hunched here like a caveman on this summer evening, shivering and gasping and wiping the mucous away to clear my nose with the back of my forearm. I catch myself when I start to hear my teeth gritting against each other, my jaw feels like someone punched it the muscles are so tight.

  Because I remember the day the devil came out and scythed two buildings full of beautiful, intelligent, loving people into a concrete-and-blood fog. Sometimes its hard to tell whether it was because of the madmen in Group A or Group B or C or...but it doesn't matter. What's important, no matter how painful it is, is that I do not forget. That I keep feeling the pain and make it as much a part of my life as the happiness.

  And that's why, although so painful sometimes, I love Democratic Underground. Because it helps me remember, helps me not to become too intoxicated, even on the mulled wine of a warm summer day, that there is a struggle that is and will forever be a part of my life.

PB

[Jazz2006]

29. A very poignant post, Poll_Blind.

And thanks for the link to your other thread, as well.

[Grateful for Hope]

31. Thank you

Your writing is beautiful and the sentiments in your writing match that beauty.

Thank you for sharing this beautiful piece with us.

Hope