Bin Laden Rides Again

[paulthompson]

Here's an old but apparently forgotten until now article that someone just emailed me:

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,131866,00.html

It's from June 20, 2001. Key paragraph:

"Then there is the sublime: For sheer diabolical genius (of the Hollywood variety), nothing came close to the reports that European security services are preparing to counter a Bin Laden attempt to assassinate President Bush at next month's G8 summit in Genoa, Italy. According to German intelligence sources, the plot involved Bin Laden paying German neo-Nazis to fly remote controlled-model aircraft packed with Semtex into the conference hall and blow the leaders of the industrialized world to smithereens. (Paging Jerry Bruckheimer…)"

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So Condoleezza Rice or anyone else who couldn't conceive of planes being flown into buildings must not have been reading that extremely obscure source, Time Magazine.

James Hatfield also wrote about this al-Qaeda-neo-Nazi plot shortly before he died, but I didn't realize it was in Time as well. It would be curious to find out if the hijackers in Hamburg actually did consort with any neo-Nazis. There are some mentions in the press of the hijackers when living in Florida being seen by eyewitnesses with white guys who only spoke German, for whatever that's worth.

[everythingsxen]

1. You have to admit...

That would have been an amazing stroke of irony.

Prescott Bush dealt with the Nazi's

lead's to Bush becoming President, lead's to Bin Laden

The Nazi's lead to Neo-Nazi's... who then kill the grandson of the man who supported their original cause. At the payment/behest of a man who is, by nazi/neo-nazi standards, shall we say.. the enemy?

It is hilarious on many levels.

Of course the plot would have failed. They seal up the G8 summit tighter than.. uh, well insert some metaphor here for something really tight.

[MSchreader]

3. Full circle

Bin Laden worked for the CIA in the 1980s, under Reagan/Bush, as a gun-runner for the Afghan mujahedin forces fighting the PDPA government and their Soviet allies.

Martin

[JackRiddler]

6. zero irony, all made up

The Genoa warning is absurd on its face.

Mubarak claimed he delivered it based on Qaeda infiltration.

Italians claimed they delivered it based on unspecified source.

In TIME, Germans claimed they delivered it and said there was a Nazi connection.

Overkill.

Like with 9/11 itself: how do so many intel agencies get info on this tight plot of conspirators who actually need no help other than a bit of cash deliveries to carry out their job?

Hatfield guessed in his final article: CIA itself spreading Genoa warning through backchannels to create sympathy for Dubya.

The idea that someone is consciously planting the idea is a simpler explanation than that 3 separate intel agencies find out through separate channels.

The tip-off is that it appears in TIME in ADVANCE. They're even treatin it like a JOKE.

Hey, I thought "We don't talk about threats to the President."

The record of advance warnings and apparent foreknowledge, so incredibly widespread, points to a conscious PR campaign, run by whoever, to do the pre-wash for 9/11. That's the simplest explanation. All these countries are rushing to "warn" because they want leverage on Bush & Co. (i.e., counter-blackmail ability) for after the plot.

[regnaD kciN]

2. Bruckheimer???

"Then there is the sublime: For sheer diabolical genius (of the Hollywood variety), nothing came close to the reports that European security services are preparing to counter a Bin Laden attempt to assassinate President Bush at next month's G8 summit in Genoa, Italy. According to German intelligence sources, the plot involved Bin Laden paying German neo-Nazis to fly remote controlled-model aircraft packed with Semtex into the conference hall and blow the leaders of the industrialized world to smithereens. (Paging Jerry Bruckheimer…)"

More like "Paging Rube Goldberg..." if you ask me.

:crazy:

[xchrom]

4. stranger than fiction

could this admin have brushed up against bin laden more?

[CaptainClark23]

5. Not inconceivable

Sorry, don't have links handy, and just packed up my files for safekeeping, but the connections are not inconceivable.

research:
Nazis - Muslim Brotherhood - Al Qaeda

here's a quickie snip: Washington Post, 1.16.03

Germany announces ban on Islamic extremist group
The Washington Post
BERLINóAn Islamic group accused of spreading violent anti-Semitism on university campuses and establishing contacts with neo-Nazis was outlawed in Germany on Wednesday....



German officials accuse Hizb ut-Tahrir, or the Party of Liberation, of advocating the destruction of Israel and the killing of Jews. The group's recruitment efforts centered on young Muslims, officials said, raising the specter of the formation of new groups such as the student-led Hamburg cell that spearheaded the attacks in New York and Washington.



Assem lectured in summer 2001 at the Islamic study group founded by suspected hijack leader Mohamed Atta at the Technical University in Hamburg. Leading neo-Nazis in Germany attended a group meeting in October in which calls for a single Islamic state in the Muslim world were mixed with broadsides against the United States and Israel.



Radical Islamic and neo-Nazi groups have had frequent contacts in Germany on the basis of a shared hatred of Israel and the United States.

[DulceDecorum]

7. Condoleezza Rice

must also be totally unaware of a certain family which has residences in Hyannis Port, Massachusetts.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kennedy_family

Lt Joseph Kennedy,
the elder brother of a certain gentleman with the initials JFK,
went out on a top secret mission which was code named "Operation Aphrodite" and was also known as "Project Anvil."
http://www.b-29s-over-korea.com/kennedy_story/kennedy_story01.html
http://www.b-29s-over-korea.com/kennedy_story/kennedy_story02.html

Lt. Joseph P. Kennedy, Jr., piloted a Navy PB4Y-1 patrol bomber.
His copilot was Navy Lt. Wilford J. Willy.
Their mission was to fly one of the US Navy B-24s which were fondly known as Liberators, loaded with 374 boxes of high explosives weighing over 20,000 pounds, and to cause it to crash into the German V3 cannon site located in Mimoyecques, France.
The V3 cannon was a huge underground rocket assisted howitzer which was supposed to be able to swiftly pump missiles across the Channel and onto British soil.
http://www.eurapart.com/v3fort.html

Col Elliot Roosevelt flew behind Lt Joseph Kennedy. Roosevelt was supposed to take over of the flying bomb and detonate it, via radio control, after Kennedy and Willy had aimed it at the target and ejected.
http://www.aviationmuseum.net/Joe_Kennedy.htm
Unfortunately, the detonation occurred shortly after both planes took off from Fersfield-Winfarthing airfield near Diss in Norfolk, which is in southern England.
http://www.blythweb.co.uk/blythburgh/kennedy2.htm

At exactly 6:15 p.m. they passed over Framingham, England, this was "Able" the first check point. Lt. Joe banked his plane to the left and headed for Becclec, England. This was "Baker" the second check point.
Suddenly - - - - at 6:21 p.m. PB4Y-1 number 32271 blasted into thousands of pieces. Two orange fire balls enveloped the plane, along with two terrible explosions, a second apart!! The next day, when the ground was searched, there was no trace of Kennedy or Willy. Nothing even big enough to pick up was found, .... not even a button!! No reason to explain the explosions has ever been found. Three safety devices were onboard the planes to keep the high explosives from going off prematurely. Yet, somehow, that is what happened. The mystery remains with us to this very day!!
http://www.thepeoplenews.com/May03/page20.html

Joe Sr appears to have held FDR personally responsible for the death of his eldest son.

Joe Kennedy, Sr., who at one point had been Roosevelt's ambassador to Great Britain, runs into Harry Truman at an event. Truman is then Roosevelt's vice presidential candidate in the 1944 election. And Joe Kennedy says to Harry Truman, 'Harry, what are you doing working for that crippled SOB who killed my son Joe?'
http://www.booknotes.org/Transcript/?ProgramID=1644
See also:
Richard Mahoney, Sons & Brothers, p. 45;
Herbert Parmet, Jack, p. 141;
Merle Miller, Plain Speaking, p. 186

It is most amazing to see that Condoleezza Rice behaves as if she is oblivious of these facts, despite the fact that she is National Security Adviser.
http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/usa/condoleeza-rice/

"I don't think anybody could have predicted that they would try to use an airplane as a missile, a hijacked airplane as a missile," said national security adviser Condoleeza Rice on May 16, 2002.
http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/03/07/25_condi.html

Even though the US is the entity that first came up with that very idea?
And the subsequent 60 year cover up?

Condoleezza cannot be totally ignorant,
http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/07/29/rice.iraq/
so perhaps she is delusional.

Then she testified the U.S. government had never anticipated an attack by an airliner, despite what we now know to have been many such warnings received and then ignored by the Bush administration. Joe Conason writes "in fact there had been many warnings of exactly such tactics-most notably during the summer of 2001, when Western intelligence services set up anti-aircraft batteries around the Genoa summit to protect the President."
http://www.deal-with-it.org/spades/rice.htm

But the organization of al Qaeda had been demonstrated numerous times, and the use of airplanes as bombs imagined. Exactly two years before the September 11 attacks, a federal report warned that "suicide bombers belonging to al-Qaida's martyrdom battalion could crash-land an aircraft packed with high explosives . . . into the Pentagon, the headquarters of the CIA, the White House."
http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0519-08.htm

CONDOLEEZZA RICE: Yes, I do still believe that the attacks were unpredictable. Look, the 1998 reports that apparently some intelligence analysts looked at and made an analysis that perhaps al-Qaida wanted to slam planes into buildings were simply not made available to the Bush Administration.
We weren't here in 1998, and I think you have to look at the fact that this was among a host of other intelligence analyses that suggested that car bombs and attacks against nuclear plants, and other means of terrorism were more likely.
But the fact is when I spoke in May about what was presented to the president on August 6, it is absolutely the case that what was presented to the president and what was analyzed for him and what was analyzed throughout the administration was traditional methods of hijacking - in fact that the hijacking might be to try and win release of al-Qaida prisoners or something like that.
There wasn't any mention or analysis of people slamming planes into buildings; it simply wasn't there.
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/international/july-dec02/rice_9-25.html

THOSE WHO DO NOT LEARN FROM HISTORY ARE DOOMED TO REPEAT IT.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Bull

In March, WorldNetDaily reported that the Taiwan rocket gun is known to be directly related to Hussein's Babylon super-gun. According to the intelligence source who told WorldNetDaily about the new Chinese weapon, Dr. Gerald Vincent Bull, the designer of the Iraqi Babylon gun, assisted the Chinese artillery maker Norinco in its development of a super-gun.
Bull, considered a rogue scientist, worked with Iraq during the 1980s to develop the Babylon weapon capable of striking Israel. Bull also helped Iraq improve its SCUD missiles. The Iraqi super-gun project was discovered by British intelligence and shut down prior to the Gulf War. That gun was never used, but a smaller gun -- "Baby Babylon" -- was fired successfully. In 1990, Bull was found murdered outside his Belgian apartment, allegedly killed by Israeli agents.
The 19th century science fiction novelist H.G. Wells popularized giant guns. Nazi Germany, hoping to bombard Britain during World War II, unsuccessfully developed a super-gun codenamed V-3, which was similar to the Iraqi Babylon cannon. Other large German siege guns were often given nicknames such as "Big Bertha" or "Anzio Annie" by the Allied troops that suffered under their shelling. The largest German-designed gun, the World War I Paris gun, fired shells over 70 miles into the French capital.
Super-guns became less attractive after World War II with the introduction of small nuclear warheads and long-range missiles. The Chinese weapon developed by Bull is considered large enough to hurl large chemical or nuclear bombs on Taiwan.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=20650
http://www.fas.org/news/iraq/1998/05/980500-bull.htm

How soon can we set up a no-fly zone?
And when do we go to war with China?

See Condi,
some of us can connect the dots.
You simply give a dog a bad name,
and then hang him.

[number6]

9. that was on the history channel a few years ago

>"Lt Joseph Kennedy,
the elder brother of a certain gentleman with the initials JFK,
went out on a top secret mission which was code named "Operation Aphrodite" and was also known as "Project Anvil.""<

very interesting story

first time I heard of it

wonder what else I havn't heard of yet :o

[medienanalyse]

8. neo-nazi link? Some background - believe it or not it is true:

1 - I agree with Jack about the Genova "warning". I did not see and hear that in the German press, I only read about the well known preparedness in Genova with Stingers.
To contradict Condoleezza you only need to know about the preparations in the Pentagon or in Langley concerning aircraft vs. buildings. In the Pentagon the medical staff was already prepared for a Boeing 757, as the medical Journal wrote about an exercise in MAy 2001. see: http://www.medienanalyse-international.de/rumsfeld.html

There is no need for a Genova story.

2. >>>...if the hijackers in Hamburg actually did consort with any neo-Nazis. There are some mentions in the press of the hijackers when living in Florida being seen by eyewitnesses with white guys who only spoke German, for whatever that's worth.<<<

These are the findings of Daniel Hopsicker, and his book is coming up soon.madcowprod brought the videoclip in january showing Amanda Keller, Attas girlfriend, reporting about a "Jürgen" and a "Steffen". We will learn more in only some weeks.

3. >>>the hijackers in Hamburg<<<<
you mean the alleged hijackers in Hamburg? I can only state they were approached by the CIA, Mr. Thomas Volz in person, and by the "Verfassungsschutz" (German internal secret service, BfV). They approached Darkazanli and got one more at least for sure. My guess is: Binalshiv is CIA.

Concerning BfV: they infiltrated the neonazi NPD so much that our highest court could not forbid that party. It was inseparable from the BfV. The boss of the BfV is Mr. Schily, our minister for the interior. Schily as well as Schroeder were colleagues and friends with Mr. Horst Mahler who is main Neonazi today, but in former times was as the other the lawyer of the terrorists of the 70s (RAF). When Mahler consorted with the terrorists himself, his lawyers were Schily and later Schröder. Now he (Mahler)is top Neo-Nazi. Schroeder got another job - to launch wars, to visit Bush and so on. Schily likes to meet Ridge and Ashcroft.

More important than these old storys is the infiltration of criminals, prostitutes and terrorists via Kiev in 2000 and 2001. The number of "tourists" getting a visa in the German embassy in Kiev increased by 150.000 p.a..Caused by some special regulations made by our foreign minister Fisher - and a businessman, an old friend of Fisher, who sold special papers which wee recognized by the embassy. Same as with Saudis coming from Jeddah to Florida. Both groups of Arabs were trained in Afghanistan. Two "tourists" were already denounced by the Russian FSB to the Germans, but they could come. Later in 2002 they are sid to be preparing the Moscow musical thatre incident.

All this is already part of the parliamentary inquiry, the opposition party CDU had 50 questions about that "torist"service which also served the needs of the Balkan terrorists.

more including links in
http://www.medienanalyse-international.de/spezialisten.html

So my point is: it is less neo-nazi than government involvement. There is a German lead and it should be there. It was placed to involve German politics in the PNAC.
BTW this sunday there are elections in Hamburg which is a state in itself. The extreme rightwing Senators coming from the socalled Schill-party have a good chance to stay in office because they inherited all the knowledge about the secret service involvement before 911. The police president Wellinghausen who had to resign last year "forgot" to give back the main document about the activities of the secret services before 911. It seems to be kind of life insurance.

In Germany people die in bath tubes, by heart attacks - and not in plane crashs like in America. Which makes a difference.