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killtown Donating Member (575 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 02:35 AM
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NTSB: 'We do not plan to issue reports on 9/11 flights'
Usually the NTSB will issue a report for all planes that crash in the U.S. However, this is what they say about the four 9/11 flights:


The terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001 are under the jurisdiction of the Federal Bureau of Investigation. The Safety Board provided requested technical assistance to the FBI, and this material generated by the NTSB is under the control of the FBI. The Safety Board does not plan to issue a report or open a public docket.

The National Transportation Safety Board determines the probable cause(s) of this accident as follows:

The Safety Board did not determine the probable cause and does not plan to issue a report or open a public docket. The terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001 are under the jurisdiction of the Federal Bureau of Investigation. The Safety Board provided requested technical assistance to the FBI, and any material generated by the NTSB is under the control of the FBI.

- NTSB 2001 Index



Consistent with a government cover-up!




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killtown Donating Member (575 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 07:24 PM
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1. Russell Pickering comments about no NTSB reports
Russell Pickering of 'Pentagon Research' comments about the NTSB not doing any investigations on any of the four 9/11 planes and how the FBI is controlling (covering-up) the entire investigation today on Wing TV.
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 08:10 PM
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2. No - consistent with standard NTSB policy
Investigations Involving Criminal Activity

In cases of suspected criminal activity, other agencies may participate in the investigation. The Safety Board does not investigate criminal activity; in the past, once it has been established that a transportation tragedy is, in fact, a criminal act, the FBI becomes the lead federal investigative body, with the NTSB providing any requested support.


http://www.ntsb.gov/abt_ntsb/invest.htm

Now if you could show where the NTSB has investigated crimes in the past, you might have something.
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killtown Donating Member (575 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 08:32 PM
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3. Flight 1771 in 1987
NTSB Identification: DCA88MA008 .
The docket is stored on NTSB microfiche number 34799.
Scheduled 14 CFR Part 121: Air Carrier PACIFIC SOUTHWEST AIRLINES
Accident occurred Monday, December 07, 1987 in SAN LUIS OBISPO, CA
Probable Cause Approval Date: 1/4/1989
Aircraft: BRITISH AEROSPACE BAE-146-200, registration: N350PS
Injuries: 43 Fatal.

A RECENTLY DISCHARGED USAIR EMPLOYEE BOARDED PSA FLT 1771 AFTER HAVING LEFT A GOODBYE MESSAGE WITH FRIENDS. HE BYPASSED SECURITY AND CARRIED ABD A BORROWED 44 CALIBER PISTOL. A NOTE WRITTEN BY THIS PSGR, FOUND IN THE WRECKAGE, THREATENED HIS FORMER SUPERVISOR AT USAIR, WHO WAS ABOARD THE FLT. AT 1613, THE PLT RPTD TO OAKLAND ARTCC THAT HE HAD AN EMERGENCY AND THAT GUNSHOTS HAD BEEN FIRED IN THE AIRPLANE. WITHIN 25 SECONDS, OAKLAND CTR CONTROLLERS OBSERVED THAT PSA 1771 HAD BEGUN A RAPID DESCENT FM WHICH IT DID NOT RECOVER. WITNESSES ON THE GND SAID THE AIRPLANE WAS INTACT AND THERE WAS NO EVIDENCE OF FIRE BEFORE THE AIRPLANE STRUCK THE GND IN A STEEP NOSE-DOWN ATTITUDE. THE CVR TAPE REVEALED THE SOUNDS OF A SCUFFLE AND SEVERAL SHOTS WHICH WERE APPARENTLY FIRED IN OR NEAR THE COCKPIT. THE PISTOL WAS FOUND IN THE WRECKAGE WITH 6 EXPENDED ROUNDS. FAA RULES PERMITTED AIRLINE EMPLOYEES TO BYPASS SECURITY CHECKPOINTS.

The National Transportation Safety Board determines the probable cause(s) of this accident as follows:
CONTROL INTERFERENCE..INTENTIONAL..PASSENGER
SABOTAGE..INTENTIONAL..PASSENGER
EMOTIONAL REACTION..PASSENGER

http://www.ntsb.gov/NTSB/brief.asp?ev_id=20001213X32679...


Date of Accident: 07 December 1987
Airline: Pacific Southwest Airlines
Aircraft: British Aerospace BAe-146
Location: San Luis Obispo, California

Flight Number: 1771

USAir employee David Burke, recently fired for stealing money from a 'beer fund' kept by Flight Attendants, used his airport clearance to gain access to the aircraft, on which the USAir CEO was flying, without going through a security checkpoint. Upon reaching cruise altitude, Burke dropped a hand-written note into the USAir CEO's lap reading 'It's kind of ironical, isn't it? I asked for leniency for my family, remember? Well, I got none, and now you'll get none.' Burke then proceeded to the cockpit with a loaded .44, shot both pilots, and put the aircraft into a steep dive from which it would never recover.

http://www.airdisaster.com/cgi-bin/view_details.cgi?dat...




I have Flt 1771 noted here with the rest...

http://killtown.911review.org/chart.html#NTSB


Also note that Flt 1771 was the last hijacked plane in the U.S., was a SUICIDE HIJACKING, and is the combined #'s of Flt 11 and Flt 77!
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 08:49 PM
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4. I stand corrected nt
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seatnineb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 10:46 AM
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7. Excellent work again Killtown..........

THX for diggin' that little jewel out!

:toast:
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 10:51 PM
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5. If you could show where it has NOT, you might not be talking out
of your ass.
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 07:54 AM
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6. A little testy, aren't we? nt
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 12:00 PM
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8. I've been trying to get Flight 93's flight data recorder information
released to the public using the FOIA since they found it.

DENIED.

DENIED.

DENIED.

Finally, I just asked for the portion of the FDR information that includes the altitude, heading and speed.

DENIED.

What could POSSIBLY be the reason they are suppressing the flight route data?
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killtown Donating Member (575 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-01-06 01:46 PM
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9. Why are the NTSB 'Flight Path Studies' not public?
I just found these on the 9/11 Commission Report:

39. NTSB report, "Flight Path Study-American Airlines Flight 11," Feb. 19, 2002.

41. NTSB report, "Flight Path Study-United Airlines 175," Feb. 19, 2002; NTSB report, Air Traffic Control Recording-United Airlines Flight 175, Dec. 21, 2001.

53. 61. See NTSB report, "Flight Path Study-American Airlines Flight 77," Feb. 19, 2002

http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report_Notes.ht...


Why aren't these studies public?


I also noticed they didn't have a flight path study for Flight 93. They only had this:

70. On FDR, see NTSB report, "Specialist's Factual Report of Investigation-Digital Flight Data Recorder" for United Airlines Flight 93, Feb. 15, 2002


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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-01-06 03:03 PM
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10. There is a team at Boeing
that normally goes into high gear along with the NTSB and whoever else is directly involved in investigating any crashes involving their equipment. The day of the attack the team at Boeing went into high gear collecting all the info and data that they can about the crashes. Normally, as much as possible of the plane is recovered and painstakingly rebuild in order to study the cause and results of the crash. Incredibly, it was apparent that there was not going to be enough material from any of the four planes to even bother to attempt a rebuild.


However, by the next day control of Boeing's part in the investigation was transferred from the civilian unit to the military unit and a clamp down on all info has been enforced ever since. It seems the Bush Government planned to do everything they could to hide the truth from the public.


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DemInDistress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-01-06 03:41 PM
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11. a reply from a journeyman aircraft mechanic at Boeing..
I am a retired lead journeyman aircraft mechanic, Boeing Aircraft.

11 years on the 757 line, 5 years on the 747 line, a few months on the 767 line and the remainder as a modification mechanic on what ever airplane was being modified. KC 135 tanker, 707, 727 and 747 Civilian Reserve Air Force (CRAF) jets.

There is NO 757 wreckage at the Pentagon in the photos. None, zip, zero, zilch, nada. NO 757 vertical fin (tail) stabilizers (back wings) no wings or engines. NONE. NO WRECKAGE AT ALL.

The jet engine compressor recovered from Tower One is NOT a 767 engine compressor. It is too small.

Tower Two was hit by a 767-200 Jet Airliner. These airplanes can be controlled by radio from the ground with NO difficulty. ANY AIRPLANE CAN BE CONTROLLED FROM THE GROUND BY RADIO SIGNALS.

The listed email is valid:

vp_oilslickdick@yahoo.com
Oil Slick Dick | Homepage | 03.30.06 - 11:38 pm | #
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-01-06 06:39 PM
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12. Cover up
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