Revisit time - did Cheney order or not order the shoot down of Flight 93?

[savemefromdumbya]

What we know now (as opposed to what we didn't know in 2001), we can summise that Cheney is not to be trusted on anything. The web of lies that has been spun regarding almost everything to do with this government covered up what actually happened on 9/11. Richard Clarke only told half the story. The 9/11 Omission Report ducked and dived the real truth. If one questioned Cheney on this in 2001 would would be met with the words conspiracy theory, tinfoil, unpatriotic! There have been many slips on this subject in the last few years - one from Donald Rumsfeld. So did Cheney order Flight 93 to be shot down and did he order Flight 77 to be shot down in the atlantic Ocean or did he have some other charade. What role did George Bush play in this? Will he say I didn't know Dick Cheney - he was across the street?

[Burried News]

1. PULL

[Jackpine Radical]

5. Kinda gives new meaning to the expression "wing shot."

BTW that guy in the pic is holding a rifle, not a shotgun.

[Canuckistanian]

6. LOL

He has an itchy trigger finger, that's for sure.

[Punkingal]

2. Cheney ordered it shot down...

IMO. Bush didn't do anything that day but run around.

[PassingFair]

3. There is not a doubt in my mind...

that 93 was shot down.
I think America would have understood.
I hope the truth surfaces some day, and
their bullshit web of lies will be exposed.

[Canuckistanian]

4. There was a post on this subject a few days ago

After the 9/11 final report was made, it was sent to the WH for "approval". Abu Gonzales saw it and nearly freaked. It showed that Crashcart may have ordered the shooting of Flight 93 without Shrub's knowledge or approval.

The section was removed from the report.

[havocmom]

8. That it was removed shows who really runs things

It was an impeachable action and an illegal order.

Military should have told Chicken Hawk Dick to go fuck himself and waited for the legal order.

Of course, who knows what would have been hit in the meantime, seems as how the ONLY man legally entitled to give the order was hiding under a chair whimpering.

[Garbo 2004]

11. My recollection is when asked for confirmation that the President had

ordered the shoot down of any hijacked plane that threatened DC, Cheney "confirmed" that the Pres had authorized it. But timewise when he gave the order didn't match up with his conversations with Bush, according to my recollection based on published reports at the time, long prior to the 9-11 report. Shooting down a hijacked plane was an issue discused in the bunker where Cheney was directing things. Cheney made the decision on the spot without first contacting Bush to discuss it. When asked if Bush had given the order, Cheney said yes. The military folks he was directing were dealing with him, not Bush directly, so they had no way of knowing if that was so or not. My recollection was that Cheney told Bush about his decision in a subsequent phone call that day.

Later, when the 9-11 Commission Report was being written up I figure they got a bit uneasy about having the VP's usurpation of Presidential authority clearly memorialized in the report.

Personally, I don't think that Flight 93 was shot down, despite Rummy's slip. I don't doubt that they would have shot it down but I think it went down before they had a chance to do so.

[savemefromdumbya]

10. can you remember who posted it?

[Canuckistanian]

14. Rose Siding

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=465438

[savemefromdumbya]

17. Thanks!

[JackRiddler]

12. please

No bullshit now.

Source, or detail your way of arriving at this conclusion.

[Canuckistanian]

15. Here's the link:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11436302/site/newsweek/

The thread was here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=465438

You're right, I shouldn't just go off the cuff on these things.

[savemefromdumbya]

16. Why was this removed - how can we get it back?

[Canuckistanian]

20. You don't.

All that's in the official public record is the edited version.

Like just about everything in this administration. It's what's left on the cutting room floor that's the most interesting.

[applegrove]

7. A man said "let's roll". They had spent the previous hour getting

info by cell phone, proving to all those victims that they were to be suicided in that plane. They all said "we are going to try something". They all got off the phones except one man who left the phone to the operator on. A minute later the plane hit the ground.

If you want to believe a long distance shot hit in that time frame.. go ahead.

There is so much more to talk about these days. So much the Bush WH is trying to get away with.

[no_hypocrisy]

9. And how many beers did he have that morning? n/t

[savemefromdumbya]

18. OMG!

was that why our fighter pilots were heading out to the Atlantic ocean instead of up to NY (source 9/11 Omission Report)

[Woody Box]

13. Cheney ordered the shootdown of the non-existing phantom flight 93

This is, believe it or not, the official story, documented at p.58 (I think) of the 9/11 CR.

The order was issued at about 10:20 (after the Flight 93 crash) and referred to a plane which did NOT EXIST (according to the 9/11 CR again). The misinformation came from the FAA, who didn't see anything on their radar screens, but allegedly "extrapolated" the last position of Flight 93 and forwarded it to Cheney and his aides.

Again, as incredible this is, this is the OFFICIAL STORY!

In case you have difficulties to swallow that (I have): Here's an alternative:

The Secret Hijacking

[MrSammo1]

19. You're falling for........

the lie that the neocons are offering up.

[savemefromdumbya]

21. which one?

[MrSammo1]

22. They want you to.....

believe that a jet was shot down.

It verifies their claim that passenger jets were actually hijacked.

No such thing happened.