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ElementaryPenguin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 01:41 PM
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MIHOP! WTC # 7 was "pulled" down intentionally says WTC owner!!
Larry Silverstein - the owner of the WTC on 9-11, let this out in an interview!!

It literally made me sick this morning to view the videos and consider the weight of this evidence! Here is the website. You need to scroll down about a third of the way - and access a story about WTC Tower 7 - and Larry Silverstein! The ramifications of this story are incredible and horrifying - in that there can now be little doubt that the MIHOP theory is TRUE!! This MUST BE SPREAD FAR AND WIDE!! How about to Will Pitt and the Kucinich camp, for starters!!

http://www.davidicke.com/icke/index1c.html

:puke:
:argh:
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aldian159 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 01:42 PM
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1. MIHOP?
what's that stand for?
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Flubadubya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 01:45 PM
Response to Reply #1
2. Reference to Bush administration's culpability in 9/11...
You will also see LIHOP. MIHOP is "made it happen on purpose" and
LIHOP is "let it happen on purpose".
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aldian159 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 01:51 PM
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6. thanks
I've always believed that the jet in PA was shot down. As nice as a story about rugby players taking out Saudis is, once they took out the hijackers, where was the pilot/copilot to ensure the bird didn't crash?
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 01:49 PM
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4. made it happen on purpose
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 01:48 PM
Response to Original message
3. Tinfoil hat stuff
they "pulled" out the firefighters
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ElementaryPenguin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 01:54 PM
Response to Reply #3
10. Read it all - watch the videos! "Pulled" means demolition!!
NOT re: the firefighters!
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RH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 02:04 PM
Response to Reply #10
15. Been there....... Done it.
Is this the fourth or the fifth thread on the same saubject?

:eyes:

I have lost count.

:boring:


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ElementaryPenguin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 02:08 PM
Response to Reply #15
19. What's more important is that more people see it!!
I hadn't seen this particular evidence before. I don't think we should be striving to entertaining here - we should be striving to uncover the truth!! And sometimes that can be boring! So fucking what!!!
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RH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 02:21 PM
Response to Reply #19
27. One miliion multiplied by zero = zero
:nuke:

It is old news.

It led to nothing then.

It has led to nothing since.
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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 01:50 PM
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5. Sorry
Unconvincing. This smacks of a capital C Conspiracy nut getting ahold of a misinterpretted statement and running wild with it.

Please explain the necessity of knocking down another building after the 2 largest buildings in the world came down.
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ElementaryPenguin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 01:52 PM
Response to Reply #5
8. Overkill by the BFEE/PNAC Mob for dramatic effect! 9-11 had to be HUGE!!
To justify everything to come!
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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 02:06 PM
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18. Um
The 2 largest buildings in the world had just collapsed. Anything else after that is superflous. Unnecissary. Needless. Wasted effort. A further chance to get caught. Pointless. Stupid. Insane. Not likely.

Identify the time and intent behind the statement. This could well be a reference to having to removing the remains of the building. This argument is built on an assumption of what was meant in the statement. You need to seal such issues before leaping to conclusions.
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el_gato Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 02:19 PM
Response to Reply #18
26. i would suggest you look at who and what was housed in WTC7

you might be surprised.
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RH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 02:23 PM
Response to Reply #26
28. Been there....... Done it. ...n/t
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el_gato Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 02:26 PM
Response to Reply #28
31. and?
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RH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 02:38 PM
Response to Reply #31
35. It was your point.

Tell us.

Is it supposed to prove something?
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el_gato Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 03:09 PM
Response to Reply #35
39. you said "been there done that"
Edited on Thu Jan-29-04 03:10 PM by el_gato
what did you do or are you just saying random phrases?
If you've been there and done that I would be interested
if you have anything to add or if you found anything out.
I guess not.


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RH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 05:16 PM
Response to Reply #39
49. review the messages
I responded to a specific suggestion, the title of message #26

Was that a random phrase or was there supposed to be a point to it?

I suggest to make a point in case your desire may be gain attention; perchance you may have something new to say.

If your wish is merely to know what has been covered before, please review the archives, the main purpose of an archive being to avoid the need to endlessly repeat.



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ElementaryPenguin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 07:08 PM
Response to Reply #18
55. Pointless, stupid, insane...these adjective describe every ChimpCo action!
It's called greed - and the BFEE/PNAC Mob is so fucking brazen that they are constantly indulging in massive overkill! Subtlety ain't exactly Prick Cheney or Herr (Shock & Awe) Scumsfeld's forte!
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Solomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 01:52 PM
Response to Reply #5
9. Not to join the grassy knoll crowd, but Silverstein got billions in
insurance because of the destruction of those buildings almost right after he leased them for 99 years.
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ElementaryPenguin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 01:55 PM
Response to Reply #9
11. Don't forget...
The Grassy Knoll crowd makes a helluva lot more sense than the Warren Report!
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 01:51 PM
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7. Link?
I mean one that's a little more specific than that page of jumble you pointed to.


For the questioner:
MIHOP: Made It Happen On Purpose -- the belief that the Bushies didn't merely exploit the events of 9/11, they had an active hand in bringing them abut. (Not to be confused with LIHOP -- Let It Happen On Purpose -- the idea that the Bushies had some warning of some sort of terrorist plot (specifics not necessarily known) which they deliberately failed to prevent in order to exploit the resulting chaos.)
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 01:56 PM
Response to Reply #7
13. Control F put Silverstein in the box. It will search the page for you.
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 02:23 PM
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29. OK, got it....but it's crap.
Ickes says Silverstein said that the FD was going to "pull it...", which he interprets as "pull it down", i.e., deliberately demolish it.

To my ears, Silverstein did get to "pull", then a catch as he rephrases what he was going to say, and in context my first thought for the unfinished phrase was "pull back", which is consistent with what the FDNY did.

Hardly something that can be waved around as proof of MIHOP, jeez!
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ElementaryPenguin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 02:52 PM
Response to Reply #29
36. It's clear to me that Silverstein ISN'T referring to the fire department
and no building on earth would ever implode like that due to a fire. I must say it's considerably easier for me to believe my own eyes and ears more than the bullshit, sketchy explanation offered by the most corrupt, secretive, and untruthful administration in the history of this nation!


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RH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 05:18 PM
Response to Reply #36
50. Who was he talking to then when he'd said "pull"?
Did I miss something?

:shrug:
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 01:55 PM
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12. Alex Jones is the source? Ye gods.
There isn't enough tin foil on the planet.
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ElementaryPenguin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 02:01 PM
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14. I'll bet there isn't much in this story that you can refute.
eom
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 02:06 PM
Response to Reply #14
17. i refute the entire thing.
it's nonsense.

it's IMPOSSIBLE.

you tell me which premise you believe and I'll refute it.

1. bombs were preset in the WTC7 and they survived the collapse of WTC1 and 7+ hours of fire to be set off by the builder (or by the FDNY for the builder)

2. bombs were set in the BURNING building by the FDNY

present a LOGICAL premise for CD. this goes in the same loony bin with the missing Pentagon plane.

note: not a single serious person involved in 9/11 inquiry believe this.

firemen were 'pulled' from a dangerous location. dangerous location collapsed after 7+ hours of fire and structural damage.
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ElementaryPenguin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 02:12 PM
Response to Reply #17
21. You explain why the building imploded - went straight down like that
due to a couple of small fires - a building a block away from the towers! It isn't possible - and it HAS to be explained! You still don't get it - the BFEE/PNAC Mob are capable of any degree of ruthlessness they believe to be necessary to further their agenda! I'll bet within months, you'll be believing all of it. Have you read the Paul O'Neill "Price of Loyalty" book yet?
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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 02:17 PM
Response to Reply #21
24. Here is your mantra
The world's two tallest buildings just fell down. repeat
The world's two tallest buildings just fell down. repeat
The world's two tallest buildings just fell down. repeat

Ok. Why did building 7 fall down? The world's two tallest buildings just fell down. The impact from this would not be secluded to their footprint. The damage would be substantial to the immediate area and cause intrinsic damage to the foundations of any building in the immediate area. Some may withstand this but others may collapse.

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el_gato Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 02:25 PM
Response to Reply #24
30. putting words in someones mouth is dishonest
strawman method

I can't stand it when people do that.

You are argueing against what you want to argue against instead of dealing with what people are actually saying.

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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 02:57 PM
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37. Perhaps you misunderstand my intent
I was suggesting a mantra not suggesting what it was. I have run into his arguments before and he seems to forget repeatedly that 2 rather large buildings had collapsed in the incident and may have caused some collateral damage. Forgive me if you thought I was trying to restate his position to my advantage.
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ex_jew Donating Member (627 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 02:30 PM
Response to Reply #24
32. Now that really is silly !
Seismic damage to the foundations caused WTC7 to fall ? Is that your best shot at explaining it ?

Can anyone who really knows something please tell me if the persistent fires under WTC1 and WTC2 were also found under WTC7 ? Thanks.
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RH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 02:34 PM
Response to Reply #32
34. Land moves
when a big weight is displaced.

It makes sense to me.
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 03:09 PM
Response to Reply #21
40. you haven't picked your premise. because you can't.
"small fires" my ASS. there was like 5000 gallon of diesel. and it burned for 7+ HOURS. do some research! WTC7 was heavily damaged by the collapse of WTC1. did you forget that Guliani was nearly trapped there?

and yes, I've read TPoL
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ElementaryPenguin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 03:20 PM
Response to Reply #40
41. Can you show us ONE other burned building that collapsed like that?
Straight down - like a demolition? Show that video to several people without prompting them - and see how many will tell you that's a demolition.
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 03:29 PM
Response to Reply #41
43. you STILL haven't picked your premise
because you CAN'T.

WHO PUT THE BOMBS IN THE BUILDING AND WHEN?

Silverstein working with al-Qaeda and/or the BFEE prior to the attacks or Silverstein working with the FDNY after the attack (while the building was burning.

we await your answer. but will get nothing but additional hysterical distraction, of that I have no doubt.
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ElementaryPenguin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 03:49 PM
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44. How can I tell you when or how bombs were placed - even the 9-11
Edited on Thu Jan-29-04 03:49 PM by ElementaryPenguin
Commission can't get the evidence they request out of this bunch! Just because Bushler and his gang won't allow a proper investigation of this crime - doesn't mean the BFEE/PNAC Mob is innocent! Silverstein made 500 million dollars off of the deal (obviously made before the attack) - and I'm pretty sure Larry wasn't working for Al-Qaeda, who are a joke when compared to the resources Bushler has! Right about my hysteria - only it isn't for distraction purposes - I'm just outraged that these fuckers appear to be on the verge of getting away with all of this - while many of the stupid fucking 'Murican sheeple are still waving those litte 'Murican flags made in China, thinking they have thusly fulfilled their duties as responsible citizens!!

Why you and I are at each other's throats over this when we are clearly allies, I really couldn't say. Sorry if my presentation of this story as irrefutable proof of MIHOP upset your evidentiary sensibilities - but for me - I really feel that I know for a certainty that these sick bastards MIHOPed this thing! Perhaps I'd have a hard time proving it in court at this point - but of course it's not going there anyway!

:shrug:
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 04:43 PM
Response to Reply #44
47. i'm not at anyone's throat
i am challenging the LOGIC of this theory.

you believe there were bombs. correct?

you must have a logical theory about when and how they were placed.

your bombs either survived 7+ hours of fire and structural damage and still successfully denotated in a CD

or

your bombs were placed in a burning building

neither premise has a shred of logic, does it?

THEN, you must convince doubters that Silverstein was in league with:

a. islamic fundamentalists
b. BFEE/PNAC
c. both

AND you must convince doubters that the FDNY (on 9/11 no less) were willing participants in this plot

because HE got a deal to make some insurance money on this attack?

stick to the real issues. I believe in LIHOP and I believe fringe theories like this and the missing pentagon plane distract and cheapen the legitimate inquiries.

get Kristen Breitweiser to believe this and I promise to take a 45th look at this, frankly silly, story.
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RH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 02:10 PM
Response to Reply #14
20. Read the previous threads:

"Why "must" the absurd WTC 7 Official Story be defended?"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

"Got an email that the WTC buildings were built with demolition options"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

"If WTC 7 was "pulled", maybe WTC 1 & 2 were also."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

"Silverstein, FDNY Razed WTC7 (WTF?)"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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ElementaryPenguin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 02:15 PM
Response to Reply #20
23. Thanks for sending these.
Sorry to have been rude in my last post.
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RH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 02:31 PM
Response to Reply #23
33. Seriously, .......
before you want to tell the whole World it would help to have a case that would hold some water.

http://www.geocities.com/fables312/idiom/Shepherd_Boy_a...

The value of this vicinity is to hear a few smart folk to review the merit.
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ElementaryPenguin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 02:59 PM
Response to Reply #33
38. I think it holds plenty of water - a helluva lot more than the BushCo
explanation!! Methinks at times we're a bit too jaded by the bombardment of info we subject ourselves to around here - which may possibly be yet another thing that the Chimp regime actually banks on - the Hitler philosophy of the bigger the lie, the more people will believe it. Sure, it sounds crazy - but EVERYTHING regarding this misadministration is fucking crazy!!

:crazy:
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RH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 05:07 PM
Response to Reply #38
48. What you think
is beside the point.

And ever more so for as long as you care not to consider the totality of the information and analysis on offer.
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ElementaryPenguin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 07:01 PM
Response to Reply #48
54. And what YOU think is that you have a monopoly on the truth - even
in a case that cannot be entirely solved since you damn well know that an investigation supplied with ample resources will likely never be permitted in our lifetimes!

<sigh> Believe what you like, my esteemed Dem comrade - if that looks like something other than a controlled demolition to you - than you're never going to be convinced that explosives had to have been planted beforehand - but short of someone producing a polaroid shot of the culprits in action - you ain't buyin' it. Just curious. Do you also accept the Magic Bullet theory?

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RH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 08:00 PM
Response to Reply #54
57. Instead of reacting in such a
stubbornly ignorant, infantile fashion, please consider what has already been examined.

Not the least of the issues attended to here has been an intelligently detailed review of the merits the investigation in progress:


"NIST WTC Investigation: Access to All Essential Data Obtained"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

"NIST Testing Controversial Theory of WTC Collapse!"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...



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ElementaryPenguin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 02:05 PM
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16. It sucks to put in this forum - because few people will see this!
We've become bureaucrats here!

:evilfrown:
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cosmicdot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 02:13 PM
Response to Original message
22. you got me to google
and, it told me that Larry Silverstein's policy was issued by Industrial Risk Insurers; and, additional googling indicated that General Electric had bought IRI in 1997 ...

I know it's just a little 'aside' ... but, it's something that I hadn't paid attention to ... not that it means anything at all ... I just found it interesting that GE is involved ...


http://www.wirednewyork.com/forum/topic.cgi?forum=4&top...

GE Capital Services' Employers Reinsurance Corp. and Industrial Risk Insurers announced that they have reached a definitive agreement under which GE Capital will purchase the assets, reinsure the in-force policies, and assume the renewal rights of IRI. The transaction aligns the loss prevention engineering expertise of Hartford-based IRI, a joint underwriting association that is a leader in highly protected risk (HPR) property insurance with the financial strength of Overland Park-based Employers Reinsurance Corporation, a global life and non-life reinsurance company with assets of more than $25 billion, and a wholly owned subsidiary of GE Capital Services Inc.

http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:6fzpYdBbJW8J:www.biz...
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ElementaryPenguin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 02:18 PM
Response to Reply #22
25. Good find. GE - Jeez!
This web is so wide!
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 03:22 PM
Response to Original message
42. Oh, how I hate to get up in the morning...
:eyes: :puke: :crazy: :wtf: :freak: :hangover:

Curb your repetitive threads.
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ElementaryPenguin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 03:51 PM
Response to Reply #42
45. Sorry. I hadn't been
here for awhile. It was NEW to me - (and evidentally to a few others)

:shrug:
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 04:06 PM
Response to Reply #45
46. Regardless, it's still just as false.
Fifth verse, same as the first
A little bit shriller and a whole lot worse.
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RH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 05:26 PM
Response to Reply #46
51. That's true.
Do they think that by throwing a bigger tantrum every time around they're going to be that much more convincing?

:puffpiece:
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RH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 06:57 PM
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53. An invitation was already given
to review previous threads.

I took the trouble to supply links.

Too bad then to fail to bother to follow them. :spank:

boloboffin's previous contributions speak for themsleves.

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