The psychology of mass denial and 9-11

[MakeItSo]

It's fascinating to me that while it's clear beyond a reasonable doubt that the government is LYING about 9-11, and 9-11 is used by the Bush Administration to justify all things fascist in this country -- from unprovoked invasions, to war, to trampling of civil liberties, to illegal wiretapping -- that even here at DU this issue is shunned and derided. This post will soon disappear down into the ghetto of the 9-11 topics board, even though this coverup and this crime have changed the course of history forever more, in ways that we cannot even imagine.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/prweb/20060130/bs_prweb/prweb339303_5


Fascinating.

Bye-bye, General Discussion. Hello again, mass denial.

[DemInDistress]

1. Wrong, I'm with you....I believe reopening 911 would make for

a great issue in November..With all the lies deceptions and mis truths now debunked by 911 researchers we got a good issue. Hell I watched absolute proof World Trade 7 was a controlled demolition,in Confronting the Evidence put put by folks at Reopen911.org in chapter 7 while watching in slow motion I saw at least 50 separate explosions,small black squibs,puffs,of detonation smoke,the clear signature of a controlled demolition.This is on the North side of World Trade 7..
Keep fanning the flames of 911...lets call for a new investigation and see where it takes us..

BTW,I'm in NYC home of Ground Zero,,aka the PIT

[DemInDistress]

2. was this thread pulled ??

[Wilms]

3. Wow. Yahoo's got it, eh?

Experts Claim Official 9/11 Story is a Hoax

(PRWEB) - Duluth, MN (PRWEB) January 30, 2006 -- A group of distinguished experts and scholars, including Robert M. Bowman, James H. Fetzer, Wayne Madsen, John McMurtry, Morgan Reynolds, and Andreas von Buelow, have concluded that senior government officials have covered up crucial facts about what really happened on 9/11.

snip

They are encouraging news services around the world to secure scientific advice by taking advantage of university resources to verify or to falsify their discoveries. Extraordinary situations, they believe, require extraordinary measures.

If this were done, they contend, one of the great hoaxes of history would stand naked before the eyes of the world and its perpetrators would be clearly exposed, which may be the only hope for saving this nation from ever greater abuse.

snip

They have discovered that The 9/11 Commission Report is replete with omissions, distortions, and factual errors, which David Ray Griffin has documented in his book, The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions. The official report, for example, entirely ignores the collapse of WTC7, a 47-story building, which was hit by no airplanes, was only damaged by a few small fires, and fell seven hours after the attack.

snip

http://news.yahoo.com/s/prweb/20060130/bs_prweb/prweb339303_5

[KakistocracyHater]

4. the second tower collapsed after 56 minutes, the first one after

over an hour...molten metal six weeks later found in the basements...that had to be a chemical burn, demolitioned-hell yes!

[OneBlueSky]

5. "Experts Claim Official 9/11 Story is a Hoax " . . .

now THERE's a headline you won't be hearing on the evening news . . .

and the coverup continues . . .

[Wilms]

6. But I didn't expect Yahoo to run it, either. n/t

[earth mom]

7. If the public knew the REAL truth about 9/11-there would be hell to pay

by Bush & Co.

Wake Up America!

[seemslikeadream]

8. Canada Press: Promisgate: World's longest spy scandal still glossed over

World's longest spy scandal still glossed over
By David Dastych
Tuesday, January 31, 2006

http://www.canadafreepress.com/2006/dastych013106.htm

The so called PROMIS affair would never have happened if the software invented by an American computer specialist, Mr. William A. Hamilton, had been a technical failure. But this case management and data mining software, developed in the early 1980s by a small Washington D.C. company, Inslaw Inc., had proven itself to be a perfect intelligence tool. Originally made for the Department of Justice to help the country’s prosecutor offices in their case management, it drew the attention of corrupt officials and of Israeli Intelligence. Stolen by ruse from its owner, Inslaw Inc., the software was hacked and provided with a "trap door", a sort of a Trojan Horse hacker’s trick, that enabled the retrieval of information from the foreign intelligence services and banks it had been sold to on behalf of Israeli and U.S. intelligence. Without the knowledge of the software’s owner, and in violation of copyright laws, the PROMIS software was sold to over 40 countries and used in an unprecedented "sting operation", which yielded huge financial and intelligence benefits to the United States and Israel.

But "blowback" from the U.S. Government's theft of PROMIS in 1982 soon turned into a series of painful losses for U.S. national security, into criminal financial benefits for corrupt officials, and into intelligence "scoops" for the secret services of adversaries. "It’s far worse than Watergate"--commented former U.S. Attorney General and Inslaw counsel Elliot Richardson.

PROMIS sold to bin Laden

First, unnamed government sources familiar with the debriefing of Hanssen in 2001 reportedly told the Washington Times, Fox News, and the washingtonpost.com that year that someone in Russia had sold copies of PROMIS-derivative software source codes, which Hanssen had stolen from the FBI and U.S. intelligence agencies for the Russians, to Osama bin Laden for $2 million and that al Qaeda had used the stolen U.S. intelligence software to access the U.S. intelligence database systems in order to evade detection and monitoring before 9-11 and to move funds undetected through the banking system.

[seemslikeadream]

9. Peter Lance explains the latest in the Able Danger

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/lou.dobbs.tonight/



This link chart was created by Jacob L. Boesen, an analyst contracted by DIAC: The Defense Intelligence Analysis Center. Using Analyst's Notebook, the same high-end program used to design a number of the Able Danger link charts, Boesen created the chart on August 10th, 1999. It shows a direct link between al Qaeda and the New York cell of blind Sheikh Omar Abdel Rahman and Ramzi Yousef, the mastermind of the original WTC bombing and the 9/11 plots.


The chart, produced just over a year after the bin Laden financed African Embassy bombings on August 7th, 1998, is in direct contradiction to the findings of the 9/11 Commission -- per Senior Counsel Dietrich Dieter Snell -- that the original WTC bombing cell was comprised of a loosely organized group of Sunni Islamists and that Ramzi Yousef played no role in the conception of the 9/11 plots even though his uncle Khalid Shaikh Mohammed (KSM) was identified by the FBI in 2002 as the "mastermind."


On July 12th, 2004, per the statement of 9/11 Commission Chairman Tom Kean and Co-Chair Lee Hamilton, Dietrich Snell rejected information from Navy Capt. Scott Phillpot, the operations director of the Able Danger unit, as not "sufficiently reliable." No mention of the ground-breaking Able Danger unit's findings was included in the 9/11 Commission's final report.


In Staff Statement #16, supervised by Dietrich Snell, the 9/11 Commission moved the origin of the al Qaeda funded 9/11 plot from Yousef and KSM in Manila in the fall of 1994 to 1996 in Afghanistan; claiming that, at the time, KSM was merely a freelancer not affiliated with al Qaeda and that he pitched the "planes operation" to bin Laden at that time.


Snell based his entire authority for this specious conclusion on the word of KSM who has been in U.S. custody since March, 2003 and subjected to torture.


By removing Ramzi Yousef from the 9/11 plot and distorting the truth behind the origin of the plot, Snell, a former prosecutor in the office of the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York (SDNY) exonerated the SDNY and the New York office of the FBI (NYO) from any culpability for failing to stop Yousef in the fall of 1992, during the Presidency of George Herbert Walker Bush or the early weeks of Bill Clinton's presidency just prior to the WTC bombing.


In 1000 YEARS FOR REVENGE we offer probative evidence that the FBY's NYO could have easily stopped Yousef in 1992 and early 1993 prior to that first attack on the WTC which killed six and injured 1000 on February 26th, 1993.


The evidence from the Able Danger unit which has surfaced so far from press reports and interviews with former Able Danger unit members, suggests that the U.S. intelligence community had a much clearer picture of al Qaeda and its violent designs on the United States much earlier than the 9/11 Commission determined.


Americans as politically diverse at Lt. Col. Oliver North and the Jersey Girls -- the 9/11 widows who campaigned for John Kerry -- are united in their conclusion that the 9/11 Commission's report was effectively a whitewash. As such they are calling for a full investigation of the Able Danger allegations.


Presently the Pentagon has prevented key Able Danger sources like Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer, a Bronze star winner and Navy Capt. Scott Phillpott from testifying about the program in open hearings. Cong. Curt Weldon (R-PA) is leading the drive for a full vetting of the Able Danger program and its findings.


This move for full disclosure represents the last best hope of Americans to re-open the 9/11 investigation and get a full accounting of how the FBI and other U.S. intelligence agencies overlooked dozens of opportunties to interdict the "planes as missiles" plot in the 12 years prior to the attacks of Sept. 11th.


BUDDY BUDDY
http://www.gsnmagazine.com.nyud.net:8090/images/aug_05/atta.jpg
DO THE MATH

24 MINUTES

THERE MUST HAVE BEEN A MILITARY ORDER WATCH THIS VIDEO

http://www.bushflash.com/buddy.html


http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/8/24/124834/678


DIA Agents were ordered to put yellow Post-its over Atta's face and the face's of 3 other 9/11 terrorists

"We were directed to take those 3M yellow stickers and place them over the faces of Atta and the other terrorists and pretend they didn't exist," the intelligence officer told GSN."

Intel agents Michael Shaffer and Scott Philpott have confirmed Rep. Weldon's claims that a chart with Atta's face, soon the photos of 3 other members of the 9-11 terror team, were known to DIA team Able Danger by early 2000.

This diary will show that Pete Schoomaker and Philip Zelikow are two of the main Perpetraitors in this scandal, that they deliberately withheld information from the President of the United States that would have prevented 9/11, that they and their neo-con rulers Let It Happen On Purpose.

Of this there can no longer be any doubt.



MUST READ - RE: ABLE DANGER INFO
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4447706

Hopsicker: Able Danger Intel Exposed "Protected" Heroin Trafficking
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x149481


Able Danger: Short Time-line
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4441903

Was Able Danger Shut Down After It Detected Condi-PRC Spy Ring?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4494524



Senate May Hold Hearings on Able Danger, Info Sharing
Thursday, August 25, 2005


Able Danger (search) is the code name for a military-intelligence unit that apparently learned a year before the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks that lead hijacker Mohamed Atta (search) and other terrorists were already in the United States.

One of the central Able Danger claims — that military lawyers blocked the sharing of the Atta information from the FBI in the late summer and early fall of 2000 — will be a focus of the committee's if a hearing takes place, FOX News has confirmed.

Some analysts involved with Able Danger have recently gone public with their findings, saying they were discouraged from looking further into Atta, and their attempts to share their information with the FBI were thwarted, because Atta was a legal foreign visitor at the time.

"This story needs to be told. The American people need to be told what could have been done to prevent 3,000 people from losing their lives," said Rep. Curt Weldon (search), R-Pa.

Weldon drew attention to Able Danger by speaking about it on the House floor and publicly calling for the Sept. 11 commission to explain why the intelligence information wasn't detailed in its final report.

Some Able Danger analysts, including Army Reserve Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer (search) and Navy Capt. Scott Phillpott (search), claim that in October 2003, they told commission staffers of the presence of Al Qaeda operatives in the United States in 2000.


more
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,166800,00.html


Senate May Hold Hearings on Able Danger, Info Sharing
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1727804&mesg_id=1727804




Condi in Middle of Able Danger ‘Cover Up’"

Weldon is now saying that the Pentagon cover up of able danger “will shake the country to its roots."

...

If the claims made by the Able Danger participants and Rep. Weldon are confirmed, former National Security Adviser Rice and other Bush Administration officials will face a barrage of questions. First would likely be an inquiry into why the administration unceremoniously axed the Able Danger project in May of 2001.

During an August 20th interview on C-Span’s Washington Journal, Able Danger member Lt. Col. Schaffer posed a question of his own:

"The American public should ask themselves: Why would the leadership of DoD shut down, terminate, a project which was aimed at targeting al-Qaeda offensively? ...

"Why would they shut that down, four months before 9/11? That’s the big question right now, we have to ask that. I don’t know the answer to that question because I know my side of the story, I know that when a 2 star general got in my face and said, “I’m a 2 star general and you are not. You are to stop your support of Able Danger.” That’s what I know personally. But the question has to be: Who told him to do that? ...

"And why did the rest of the project, I’m talking about Special Operations Command and the Army portion of this, why was that terminated?

"Those are the questions that need to be asked."


more...

http://www.theinternationalpost.com/z30082005.html

Congressman Weldon -- Why now? Why ever?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4500623

Three more assert Pentagon knew of 9/11 ringleader By Will Dunham

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Three more people associated with a secret U.S. military intelligence team have asserted that the program identified September 11 ringleader Mohammed Atta as an Al Qaeda suspect inside the United States more than a year before the 2001 attacks, the Pentagon said on Thursday.

The Pentagon said a three-week review had turned up no documents to back up the assertion, but did not rule out that such documents relating to the classified operation had been destroyed.

Navy Capt. Scott Phillpott and Army Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer last month came forward with statements that a secret intelligence program code-named "Able Danger" had identified Atta, the lead hijacker in the attacks that killed 3,000 people, in early 2000. Pennsylvania Republican Rep. Curt Weldon (news, bio, voting record), vice chairman of the House of Representatives Armed Services Committee, also went public with the allegations.

Pat Downs, a senior policy analyst in the office of the undersecretary of defense for intelligence, told reporters that as part of the review, the Pentagon interviewed 80 people.

Downs said that three more people, as well as Phillpott and Shaffer, recalled the existence of an intelligence chart identifying Atta by name. Four of the five recalled a photo of Atta accompanying the chart, Downs said.

Pentagon officials declined to identify the three by name, but said they were an analyst with the military's Special Operations Command, an analyst with the Land Information Warfare Assessment Center and a contractor who supported the center.

Downs said all five were considered "credible people."

But officials said an exhaustive search of tens of thousands of documents and electronic files related to Able Danger failed to find the chart or other documents corroborating the identification of Atta. Phillpott has said Atta was identified by Able Danger by January or February of 2000.

"We have not discovered that chart," Downs said.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050901/pl_nm/security_attacks_pentagon_dc


Three more assert Pentagon knew of 9/11 ringleader
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1744982&mesg_id=1744982

Specter Wants Answers About 'Able Danger'
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1796658&mesg_id=1796658


NYT/Reuters: Pentagon Blocks Testimony at Senate Hearing on Terrorist
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1795221&mesg_id=1795221

NOW - ON CAPITOL HILL - Able Danger Inquiry CSPAN3 9:30am et
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4836496

Able Danger ties Condi Rice to Chinese espionage! (really!)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4846388&mesg_id=4846388

VIDEO-the Senate Judicial Committee ABLE DANGER saga
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?

Official: (Curt Weldon) Attack on Cole foreseen (ABLE DANGER)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1915365&mesg_id=1915365

New 9/11 Timeline update, with new Able Danger page
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?

Weldon seeks Defense testimony on al-Qaida
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1931300

Weldon rips 9/11 commission over intelligence failures
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1959226

General gave OK for Able Danger (confirms al-Qaida mission prior to 9/11)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1973724

[Wilms]

10. With those links, one could argue that Corporate Media is reporting.

[rman]

16. Plausible deniability of censorship

As with many hot issues, if it is reported by the MSM at all, it is reported few and far between. What sticks with people is what they hear over and over again, not what they hear sporadically.

Issues that are reported sporadically are automatically assumed to be not very significant. After all, if it would be a big issue then the media would be all over it all day long, day in day out, would they not? - as is the case with for instance Michael Jackson.

[pauldp]

18. but not DU. n/t

[Nothing Without Hope]

14. WOW!!!! Thanks for this comprehensive post!!! Bookmarked with thanks

[seemslikeadream]

15. Able Danger is a Pandora's Box that will blow up in the RW's face.

Able Danger is a Pandora's Box that will blow up in the RW's face.
Re-open the 9/11 investigation? BRING IT ON! Here's why:

So the responsibility for stopping DIA program Able Danger, which had Identified Atta and 3 other hijackers and linked them to 56 other al-Queda terrorists overseas, has been laid at the feet of Bill Clinton--except he and Richard Clarke were never told about it at all.

That's right. Bill Clinton was never told about Able Danger and the ID of Atta because Richard Clarke was never told about AD. How do I know? He never wrote about it in his book, nor did he testify about it's existence before the 9-11 Commission!

You see Richard Clarke was known for being obsessed with Osama Bin Laden and HE was the guy the neo-con moles did not want to find out about Atta and the gang. Schoomaker and the neo-cons knew telling the FBI would inform Clarke and then Mr. Laser Beam himself, President of the United State William Jefferson Clinton, would have gotten involved--and the Pearl Harbor-type attack would never take place (the neo-cons talked about the need for a Pearl Harbor-type attack before the PNAC Plan would be accepted by the American people--so when one presented itself, they let it happen).

General Pete Schoomaker, who were later heavily rewarded by the neo-cons in the Bush Administration, blocked the upward motion of the DIA information by having Shaffer and Philpott meet with Pentagon lawyers opinions--lawyers who were rubberstamping ridiculous legal opinions to carry out the neo-con plan. These certain people were neo-cons in the Clinton Administration, covertly carrying out the PNAC plan to let a Pearl Harbor-type attack occur so Iraq and 6 other countries could be invaded.


http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/8/24/124834/678

[MrSammo1]

24. Actually Able Danger........

let's the real people behind 911 off the hook.

[seemslikeadream]

27. Pray tell who are the real people behine 9/11?

[MrSammo1]

29. the neocons

of course.

http://www.911busters.com/911_new_video_productions/MOV/Painful_Deceptions.html

[seemslikeadream]

30. Then you are wrong

Able Danger points directly to Gen Schoomaker who was promoted by the neocons for not informing Clinton and Richard Clarke about AD.

post 15

[MrSammo1]

31. Many of us don't believe in

Fairy Tales and Flying Arab Terrorists.

We believe our eyes!

http://thewebfairy.com/911/93/emptyhole.htm

[seemslikeadream]

32. I'm actually with ya on that MrSammo1

Do ya think Dov Zahkeim had anything to do with it all?

[MrSammo1]

34. Who really knows

who planned it!

[Christophera]

33. Our GOV. Has Been Infiltrated-Intelligence Community 1st, then Outwards

into the military and industrial complex.

[seemslikeadream]

35. A post on Yahoo's message boards...SCHOOMAKER!!

Everyone has been barking up the wrong tree for years on connecting the dots on 9-11.

General Wesley Clark was wrongfully accused in the 2004 presidential primaries of being the one responsible for the Branch Davidian Compound which, in my opinion, was a totally wrong accusation as it was General Wesley Clark's assistant who had a career of "special forces" operations.

Do an Internet search of General Peter Schoomaker and look at his biographies, particularly his government biographies, there is no start and stop date at his one year assignment to Fort Hood during the Branch Davidian fiasco and no start and stop date for his next assignment; however, there are dates for every other assignment in his thirty plus years of military services since being commissioned a Second Lieutenant to becoming Chief of Staff of the United States Army.

Why dates for everything except for Fort Hood and his following assignment?

So, no one can read his official biographies of which there are several and tell that he was assigned to Fort Hood during the Branch Davidian fiasco. Logically, there would be no dates for his immediate assignment after Fort Hood as that would tell someone when he left Fort Hood and tie him into the Branch Davidian fiasco.

Prior to going to Fort Hood, current General Schoomaker was very heavy into special forces with many years in it including Delta Force.

If someone goes out of his way to coverup his dates of assignment at Fort Hood where he was the senior goverment military advisor to the AG and the FBI who "tried" to conduct a special forces type raid on the Branch Davidian Compound, I would sure think that General Schoomaker would want to wash his hands clean of the American soil involvement at the Branch Davidian Compound and also want not to get involved in any more American soil military involvements as Army General Schoomaker's own ABLE DANGER was stopped from meeting the FBI on three different occasions after ABLE DANGER had already arranged these meetings with the FBI in 2000 to disclose the existence of two al Qa'eda cells on American soil, but Army attorneys stopped the joint military unit ABLE DANGER under Army General Schoomaker's direct command at MacDill Air Force Base, Florida when Army General Schoomaker was stationed at MacDill Air Force Base with one of his subordinate units being ABLE DANGER.

Just as General Wesley Clark had no involvement in the Branch Davidian Compound fiasco as it was Army General Schoomaker who was at the Branch Davidian Compound, the Jaime Gorelick "wall" had no involvement in stopping General Schoomaker's ABLE DANGER from contacting the FBI as all three meetings were stopped by Army attorneys.

General Schoomaker must have been a member of the group, "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."

The first time was the Branch Davidian Compound full of religious fanatics.

The second time, it was the real thing, a major large scale al Qa'eda attack on America, and General Schoomaker wanted no part on a second involvement on American soil by himself and/or military units which he commanded.

This is why Jaime Gorelick contacted Congressman Weldon's office once and Senator Specter's office twice saying that she or any memo, like the "wall" memo, had any impact on connecting the dots on 9-11.

Jaime Gorelick did not know that it was Army attorneys in Army General Schoomaker's command who blocked Army General Schoomaker's ABLE DANGER from contacting the FBI after three preliminary meetings had been set up between ABLE DANGER and the FBI in 2000 to discuss two al Qa'eda cells on American soil.


Read all of my prior posts on how the 9-11 dots were not connected.

Career special forces Army General Schoomaker was promoted to General in the Bush41 administration when VP Cheney was Secretary of Defense.

In an unusual move, a retired Army General Schoomaker, career special forces, was brought out of retirement to become the United States Army Chief of Staff in 2003 and Schoomaker continues today.

Army General Schoomaker is connected DIRECTLY with the Branch Davidian fiasco and with ABLE DANGER (as Army General Schoomaker hired its personnel personally) as ABLE DANGER was prevented from contacting the FBI on three different occasions in 2000 by Army lawyers.

Schoomaker=Branch Davidians, ABLE DANGER, 9-11

Schoomaker promoted to general by VP Cheney, with Cheney then Bush41's Secretary of Defense.

Schoomaker who did not know Rumsfeld (read Time Magazine's interview with Schoomaker which is online by just doing a search) was brought out of retirement in 2003 to be the United States Army Chief of Staff.

The Pentagon would not allow any military or civilian Department of Defense employee to testify at failed 2005 ABLE DANGER hearings with Rumsfeld saying that he did not issue the order. Then who is higher than Rumsfeld?

VP Cheney.

VP Cheney promoted Colonel Schoomaker to General under Bush41.

After 3 years of retirement and without knowing Rumsfeld (read Time Magazine's interview with Schoomaker), General Schoomaker was brought out of retirement to be the Chief of Staff of the United States Army.

Coincidence?

Who hired the retired General Schoomaker to be Chief of Staff?

Was it:

a) Secretary of the Army Les Brownlee, UNIVERSITY OF WYOMING, '62

b) VP Cheney, UNIVERSITY OF WYOMING, '66

Schoomaker=UNIVERSITY OF WYOMING, '68 or '69


SO, VP CHENEY AND GENERAL SCHOOMAKER, OF BRANCH DAVIDIAN FAME AND CREATOR (AND POSSIBLE COVERUP ARTIST OF ABLE DANGER) WERE FELLOW STUDENTS AND ON CAMPUS AT THE SAME TIME AT THE UNIVERSITY OF WYOMING.

I will let the readers draw their own conclusions:

Secretary of the Army Browlee, Univ of Wyoming
VP Cheney, Univ of Wyoming
Army General Schoomaker, Univ of Wyoming


hmmm... is the University of Wyoming that big?
____________________________

on edit - more from this "friggin Roman Catholic-American-Conservative-Republican"

I just put the NRO, National Review Online, connection together in the past week or two, as two major conservative NRO contributors are former assistant federal prosecutors in Manhattan from the 9-11 era where in criminal cases the bigger "Gorelick Wall" did hinder their abilities to prosecute terrorists but would not have uncovered the 9-11 plot had the "Gorelick Wall" not existed.

As the NRO has been the major source of Jamie Gorelick and the "wall" bashing, these contribors have only seen it from their point of view. All other conservative sources pick up on the NRO for their misinformation from Drudge (actually a libertarian), Rush, etc...

[MrSammo1]

25. Peter Lance.........

is about as government shill as it gets!

[seemslikeadream]

28. Weldon asked to testify about what U.S. knew before 9/11 attacks

http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/02/02/weldon.supboena/

Weldon asked to testify about what U.S. knew before attacks
From Phil Hirschkorn
CNN


Thursday, February 2, 2006; Posted: 2:31 p.m. EST (19:31 GMT)


A trial begins next week to decide whether Zacarias Moussaoui dies by injection or remains jailed for life.

NEW YORK (CNN) -- Attorneys for al Qaeda conspirator Zacarias Moussaoui have subpoenaed Pennsylvania Congressman Curt Weldon to testify at a trial that will determine whether Moussaoui should be executed.

The defense is seeking Weldon's testimony to try and show that the government knew more about the September 11, 2001, attacks than Moussaoui did.

It's a key point the jury will be asked to address at the death penalty trial that begins next week with jury selection.

Weldon, a Republican, received the subpoena last week. It seeks testimony about issues related to Able Danger, a secret pre-9/11 intelligence operation conducted by the Department of Defense.

What did U.S. know?
Weldon, vice chairman of the House Armed Services Committee, contends that Able Danger mined computer data to identify four of the 19 hijackers, including leader Mohammed Atta, as al Qaeda operatives a year and a half before the September 11 attacks.

[leftofthedial]

11. ghetto? ghetto?!?

what the fuck do you know about the ghetto?

you are absolutely right. mass denial. 9-11 was the biggest lie in modern history.

[ClayZ]

12. Thanks for the Yahoo link...I am amazed it is there!

"Mass Denial" but many are waking up!

[Nothing Without Hope]

13. Before it made Yahoo News, this story was posted in another DU thread:

in the LBN Forum, where it remained until it got 12 votes for Greatest and was then hustled into the 9/11 Forum basement. Here's the LBN link - you'll be re-directed to the 9/11 Forum, but it's nice that it was seen outside it at all and I want to preserve that:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2072338
thread title (1-29-06 LBN): BYU professor's group accuses US officials of lying about 9/11

[Festivito]

17. For the new to DU. Welcome to the dungeon.

There are two DU camps. Both think 9/11 needs investigation.
CAMP 1:
One thinks the FBI in D.C. thwarted the investigation on purpose. Let 9/11 happen on purpose. LIHOP. Planes flew...

CAMP 2:
The other thinks the WTC was hit by planes, but, was brought down by CONTROLLED EXPOLOSIVES that were hidden beforehand. Adjacent building was, and as they say, MUST have come down by explosives.
Some go further: No plane hit the Pentagon, it were bombed. And more.

MY CAMP: Camp 1. That in France a book came out describing 9/11 was known, LIHOP. Then a book came out describing 9/11 as in Camp 2: no plane at Pentagon, explosives, etc.

I say that 2nd book was an attempt to hide the first book and
gave RW pundits fodder to make the LW look silly on RW talk shows.

Camp 2 keeps posting their idea at intervals. Perhaps hoping camp1 will tire of responding. Welcome to the dungeon.

[pauldp]

19. divide and conquer.

You left aother camp - "criminal negligence".
All camps need to focus together on no longer giving BushCo a free ride on 911.
We have been lied to over and over by this regime, so at this point they have absolutely
lost the right to characterize any speculation as crazy.

We must focus on getting those investigations, not on the differences in our speculations.

[oblivious]

20. Camp 3: Your government would never lie to you. Never.

And anyone who thinks it would is a crackpot. The official investigations were thorough and exhaustive, answered all questions, and proved without a doubt that the official explanation was true. By God!

[Christophera]

21. 9-11 Denial May Be Denial Of Capacity For That Level Of Secrecy - Camp 3.

In other words, on an unconscious level, camp 3 knows that the secrecy exists and that is what they are really afraid of and they are a camp because they stick together with their perceptions of the correctness of the official story. They know it was a demolition but are too afraid to do anything but support the secret program. The group they are a part of taught them the fear of rejection along with a fear of the part of the mind that knows fear. Permanently disabling them from ever understanding the fear thusly protecting the secrecy until the secrecy serves its intended ends.

It ties in with religious beliefs, or the denial of the "infidel" in the obvious religious conflict inherent to the situation. The term "infidel" assigns a state of being to a human, from the Muslim perspective, which they call "kafir", having a direct translation of "one who denies the existence of what is unseen", simply because it is unseen, even when many things show its existence. That form of denial is another way to make secrecy by protecting the unseen.

[MrSammo1]

26. unconscious level

Pretty much sums up Camp 3!

[samhsarah]

22. Bye-bye, General Discussion. Hello again, mass denial.

yup. that about says it.

[Christophera]

23. Yes, Mass Mental/Spiritual Problem. Reptilian Instincts Invoked By Fear C

reated by a sick ceremony of death on 9-11. Lizards don't have courage which is why media for the last 30 years has been pushing sex and violence, reptilian instincts at the base.

General discussion is where the mentality of reptilian origin is maintained, worshipped with acts outcasting courageous attempts to introduce reason, logic and motive to demand truth.

If we were talking on the CB radio right now our courage as mammals could be heard, shared and celebrated, encouraging the sheep. This medium has been promoted with military funds because it does not have the ability to convey mammal passions inspired with reasoning.

[undeterred]

36. I have two liberal friends who just refuse to believe

Bush had anything to do with it- they think he's stupid and the attack may have been allowed through incompetence. If I hadn't spend time looking around this forum, I would agree with them. But I do believe that our numbers are growing- it just takes time and a willingness to be open to the incredible.