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Truth__Seeker Donating Member (37 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 08:53 AM
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Today's London events made me think, If MILHOP on 911...
is it MILHOP for all the other attacks as well? Madrid, Indonesisa nightclub?
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dbeach Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 09:37 AM
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1. its the same crimnals doing the same terrists attacks
may I offer my most humble assessment..

bush/blair are in same crime family with one goal
that is to consolidate the wealth into the hands of the powerful elites and to use the police state to force the middle class into submission

In other words..its the same plan that the elites have used for centuries...use and abuse the comoners

bush blair did 7/7/05 as the same gangs did 3/11/04
and 9/11/01
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philb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 10:33 AM
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39. There are real Jihadist out there; but the've been supported and
used by elites and partisans with more resources and their own agendas who are using people who've become radicalized by their experiences.

U.S.elites(Bush) supported Panama's dictator until he refused to cooperate on Contra drug program;
U.S supported Saddam and supplied chemical weapons and training they later used against him(Rumsfeld a major player)
U.S. supported bin Laden and Taliban with a lot of money; and encourage(with money and support) islamic terrorists in Balkans and Chesnea,etc.
ealier similar in Central America and S. American; and are back to supporting death squads currently there again.

So its hard to tell in specific cases exactly who the real players are.
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dbeach Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 09:39 AM
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2. who benefits?? Israel warned according to P.P.
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Lithos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 07:55 PM
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33. This has been corrected
Please do not use this out-dated version.

Lithos
Sept 9-11 Forum Moderator
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pox americana Donating Member (622 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 10:11 AM
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3. anything is possible
I tend to see it like this: there are always going to be individuals and groups (suicide bombers, the IRA) who occasionally succeed in pulling off fairly unsophisticated but very effective bombings.

However, the larger the scale and the higher the technical sophistication (completely demolishing three troublesome highrises in downtown Manhattan, for instance), the more you have to wonder who else is either colluding or orchestrating.
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 06:54 AM
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38. That's my take as well
The Bali, Madrid, London attacks were relatively unsophisticated and hard to stop (i.e. could be pulled off in any big city) plus also fairly predictable in terms of motivation (retaliation for invading Iraq). 9/11 is in a whole different category.
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carlvs Donating Member (165 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 10:42 AM
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4. Well, that didn't take long...
I was wondering how soon would it be before the CTers here would be spouting the same line on today's incident that they have for years on 9/11.

Thank you for not disappointing me... :puke:
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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 10:49 AM
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6. Have you noticed
the "Israel warned" seems to go hand in hand with these issues.
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carlvs Donating Member (165 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 11:47 AM
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9. What do you expect?
Considering the nature of some of the links provided at two of the sites that have been quoted from in this forum, I am not surprised at all
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 12:13 PM
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11. Just because unsavory types have glommed onto 9/11 skepticism
doesn't mean that the whole issue is bogus.

Hitler was a vegetarian, but that doesn't make vegetariansim bad, does it?
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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 02:21 PM
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18. Let me try to explain
Many of those unsavory sites that have "glommed onto 9/11," are revisionist web sites. Sites that do their level best to distort history. Some do it for money, some a just plain old racists and bigots, some quite frankly are nuts.

What makes you think sites that believes there is a Jewish or Zionist cabal that runs the world, or that the Holocaust never occurred will get the facts about 9/11 correct? The answer is that they will not, and in fact will distort the facts on purpose. That what they do.
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philb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 10:41 AM
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40. That is obviously going on on both sides of the issues.
But the bigger problem appears to be on the official side. The questionable radical sites will likely not garner much attention in the long run. But that's also true of radical sites with valid documentation unfortunately.
Its unfortunate that there are people out there who are more concerned about agenda than truth. But there seems to be much more problem on the Gov't side than the other- imo.

But people seeking truth for real should expose the disinformation on both sides. And try to get the disinformation acknowledged and corrected. The large amount of disinformation and misinformation out there causes confusion and makes it hard for everyone to get to the truth.

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janedoe Donating Member (540 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 12:51 PM
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13. Have you also noticed...
There seems to be a common theme with mass-transportation.

Hmmm... You could cause more deaths by blowing up a bridge during rush hour. Also, it would sure cause a lot of problems after that. The beltway around Atlanta also has a lot of vehicles at rush hour.

Is it possible there's a connection between mass transit "terror" attacks and this regime wanting to pull funds from Amtrak to ensure US dependency on oil?
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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 02:13 PM
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16. Perhaps I'm a bit slow today
but how does pulling funds from Amtrak ensure US dependency on oil?
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janedoe Donating Member (540 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 02:19 PM
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17. Oil dependency
If Amtrak goes under, where will all the rail-commuter traffic go?

A lot of New York City folks commute in from New Jersey, not to mention DC-NY and NY-Boston travelers.
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carlvs Donating Member (165 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 02:30 PM
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19. Not to mention the fact that
except along parts of the East coast, most of Amtrak's locomotives are diesel-powered.

But since when facts have ever stood in the way of discussion in this forum...
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janedoe Donating Member (540 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 03:03 PM
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23. Maximize Oil dependency
Sorry, I should have been more specific.

I should have said ...to maximize oil dependency.
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 03:31 PM
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26. I was thinking how all these attacks on mass transit systems tend to
ensure we keep using personal cars for transportation-- which are the most uneconomical forms of transit. Kind of weird how terrorism and oil-dependency are linked like that-- and in other ways as well.
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 03:33 PM
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28. Diesel fuel comes from oil.
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demodewd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 02:48 PM
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21. far fetched
That sounds far fetched. How about the same Western intelligence agencies pulling off the same m.o. they did in Madrid?
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demodewd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 02:46 PM
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20. Jewish
Are you Jewish? No offense meant. Just wondering.
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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 09:05 PM
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35. Why would that matter?
Are you anti-semitic? No offense meant, just wondering.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 03:32 PM
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StrafingMoose Donating Member (742 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 11:00 AM
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7. Why the hell do you come in here


if you don't want to hear people pondering the question?

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Woody Box Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 11:15 AM
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8. "Al Quaida" was introduced to the world on 9/11...
...as the world's most dangerous terror group.

Now that the evidence that 9/11 was an Inside Job and al quaida a ghost organization is overwhelming, EVERY terror attack allegedly committed by "al quaida" has to be examined very closely.

No, I don't say that the Istanbul, Madrid, London atrocities were not committed by arabic suicide terrorists, but 9/11 was surely not, therefore it is fair to be suspicious.

I expected posts like yours, and you didn't disappoint me, too. :boring:






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janedoe Donating Member (540 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 10:48 AM
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5. What is MILHOP?
Edited on Thu Jul-07-05 10:50 AM by janedoe
Sorry, I don't know that code. :-(


As for the Bush involvement in today's events... It's a bit scary how, just last night, I predicted "something" was about to happen. Last night, I told a few people that I thought "it" would happen in the next few days (and certainly less than a week). I was so certain that I was paranoid about saying this electronically (email, telephone); I didn't want to risk going to Gitmo.

Are they that predictable?

The walls were closing in on the Rove-Bush-Blair game, and a distraction was badly needed. Until now, Bush kept some sort of popularity with the "protecting us from terror" game. So, we were safe, knowing he wouldn't shoot himself in the foot and pull off a terror event.

But, last week, Bush tried to correct for the bad Zogby poll numbers with his speech. When that didn't work, it showed he had nothing to lose by pulling off a booster shot of "terror." But, he had to wait until he got his new poll numbers after the speech. In addition, the Rove problem was starting to enter the popular news cycle and Michael Jackson was unavailable.

What I didn't predict was that it would be on Blair's turf -- which shows how clever they are. Yep, it would be too suspicious in the US.
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 12:08 PM
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10. Britain said very recently that they wanted to withdraw troops from Iraq--
Edited on Thu Jul-07-05 12:10 PM by spooked911
this could well be some sort of shot across the bow by the Bush administration and their associated Anglo-criminal oligarchy-- not to withdraw. Analogousd to what happened in Spain.

The bombings certainly are a convenient distraction from the Bush administration's domestic troubles, although it does also make people doubt how effective Bush's war on terror is. More than anything though, these attacks are a boondoggle for the news media-- everyone wants to tune in to see what is going on. I'm sure CNN is loving it.
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janedoe Donating Member (540 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 12:22 PM
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12. Bush's War on Terror
I think many Americans are sheeple (or stupid?) and are given their opinions by the media. So, if the US media packages it as terror "elsewhere," the sheeple may be led to conclude that it would have happened here, if Bush weren't doing such a good job.

i.e. See? Bush keeps us safe. We better not impeach him.
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 12:55 PM
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14. Yes, I'm sure there are many that will be swayed by that argument.
But I would think overall that doubts have to grow about how effective Bush's Global War on Terror is.
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janedoe Donating Member (540 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 01:06 PM
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15. Good point!
Good point! Global War on Terror.

Yep. Not only is the Bush war schooling terrorist in Iraq, some have now graduated and moved out of Iraq.

Did you see my post #5?
(I think I used the wrong subject line.)
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Geek_Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 02:51 PM
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22. This all too coincidental
WTF is Guiliani doing in London today?
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janedoe Donating Member (540 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 03:22 PM
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25. Guiliani's new command center
Maybe that's were Guiliani build his new terror-command-center/bunker, after he destroyed his NYC bunker in WTC7.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 02:30 AM
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37. That was the ODDEST thing about what happened today.
Guilani in London?! What a coincidence-except there are NO coincidences!

And wanted to add that I'm so glad I'm not the only one wondering all this stuff...I'm grateful for this thread and forum.
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demodewd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 03:15 PM
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24. Giuliani
And who's Johnnie on the Spot in Londontown to field questions from Fox News? Why its Rudy Guiliani doing cover-up work for the NWO..no doubt.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 03:48 PM
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29. There was a pre-planned subway drill today in NYC, not unlike
the fact that there was a FEMA drill pre-planned for 9/11. Coincidence?

BTW.. I heard about it on the local NY NBC news and it is an operation called TOMS.
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janedoe Donating Member (540 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 03:53 PM
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30. US Embassy in London
Is the US Embassy in London still standing?

Any chance the "terrorists" will demolish the building before sunrise? ...or at least once they've gotten Giuliani out of the building.

(I'm only poking fun, here. Please don't send me to Gitmo.)
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 04:49 PM
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31. It's my opinion that the more sophisticated and spectacular an act of
terrorism is -- the more, shall we say, made-for-TV -- the greater chance that it was state sponsored to achieve some political end.

Surely you'd agree this has been the case in the history of Indonesia, for example.

Using another example, in what percentage of these atrocities were over 40 people killed in multiple well-coordinated attacks (3 or more separate incidents within 4 hours of each other)?

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Terrorism/v...

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dbeach Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 07:13 PM
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32. all done by same criminals..different patsies..same planners
hey only counted 6 debunker comments from 2 individuals..insulting and insinuating their way to fame on this forum

It was asked why do the debunkers come here??

are they on the govt dole?
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tocqueville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 08:23 PM
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34. CHENEY ACCUSED IN THIS LINK
http://www.yourbbsucks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=370

any comments ?

trying to sort out the credible from fantasy....
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philb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 10:58 AM
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41. Documentation of complicity
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 10:43 PM
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36. Who are "al Qaeda" terrorists, anyway?
Israel quite obviously deals with a large number of hardline Islamic fundamentalist terrorist attacks on a weekly (or, at best, monthly) basis:

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Terrorism/v...

The webpage linked above lists over 350 separate fatal incidents resulting in well over 1000 Israeli fatalities since September, 2000.

But I haven't yet located a single incident out of these 350+ in which more than 30 Israelis died. Nor have I found a single example of a well-coordinated, multiple-attack terrorist strike (defined as three or more separate fatal acts of terrorism executed within a span of three hours). Perhaps someone more knowledgeable than I could direct me to these entries?

Now, it seems to me that the more sophisticated and spectacular an act of terrorism is -- the more, shall we say, made-for-TV -- the greater chance that this dramatically successful act of terrorism was state sponsored to achieve some political end. This is purely a function of the far greater MEANS and OPPORTUNITY of state sponsored mil/intel organizations when compared with those of the typical Jihadist terrorists they are tasked with foiling. Surely, we would all agree that this exact pattern (of highly dramatic and potent terrorist acts correlating with covert state sponsored activities) is quite typical in the historical records of many perhaps less "politically enlightened" regions -- such as Indonesia, South Africa and Latin America, for example.

Unlike Israel (which deals with far more numerous but typically far less potent Jihadist attacks), the USA & Great Britain appear to deal almost exclusively with spectacularly successful, well-coordinated, highly sophisticated MADE-FOR-TV Goldfinger/Dr. No-type terrorists.

The Jihadist terrorists attacking Israel don't typically choose highly symbolic strike dates (like 9/11 or 7.7 -- with years of inactivity between) to launch singular and discrete but highly memorable, extremely fatal and very well-coordinated multi-strikes. In contrast, real terrorist organizations almost invariably attempt to highlight the desperate straits of their causes by aggressively claiming full responsibility for their violent acts using previously known and recognized channels and spokesmen. Furthermore, these real Jihadist terrorist organizations do not put a premium on huge and horrifically fatal MADE-FOR-TV terror muscle-flexing but instead foster a continual atmosphere of perilousness by striking whenever, wherever and however they can.

Maybe I'm far too cynical, but I've started to suspect that the term "al Qaeda" has now come to simply signify any anonymous act of terror that might otherwise appear sophisticated enough to implicate state-sponsored mil/intel. I realize that this is a generalization at best, but please understand the context in which I'm daring to utter such blasphemous thoughtcrime. Our entire corporate media apparatus and political hierarchy have already convicted Islamic fundamentalists of today's crimes with nary a shred of backing evidence. In contrast, I'm not trying to convince anyone to jump to any hasty conclusions -- just to duly consider all logically probable alternatives.
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