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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 06:44 PM
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Bad 9/11 Alibis: Gen. Myers, acting Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
Edited on Wed Jun-22-05 07:05 PM by stickdog
September 11th, 2001 was the most important day of General Richard B. Myers' life. On this fateful day -- the only day in history that the continental United States has ever been successfully attacked from the air -- Myers, a Air Force General with thousands of hours of time flying fighter planes, was the acting Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

General Hugh Shelton was the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff until 9/30/01, but General Myers was scheduled to replace Shelton, a Clinton appointee, pending Myers' Senate confirmation hearing on 9/13/01 and subsequent confirmation. Myers was the acting Chairman of the US military during the 9/11 crisis because on the morning of 9/11 Shelton was flying in a plane across the Atlantic on his way to Europe.

Here's how General Myers described his actions on the morning of 9/11/01 in an 10/17/01 interview with the Armed Forces Radio and Television Service:

http://911research.wtc7.net/cache/disinfo/alibis/AFRTS_...

I remember it was like watching a bad movie. I was on Capitol Hill. I was about ready to meet with Senator Cleland. I was meeting with him in preparation for my hearing, my confirmation hearing to be the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. And I remember before we walked in there was a TV that was playing and somebody has said, "An airplane has hit one of the World Trade Center towers." They thought it was an airplane, and they thought it was a small airplane or something like that. So we walked in and we did the office call with Senator Cleland.

Sometime during that office call the second tower was hit.
{stickdog's note: At 9:03 EDT, to be exact.} Nobody informed us of that. But when we came out, that was obvious. Then right at that time somebody said the Pentagon has been hit. {stickdog's note: But the Pentagon wasn't hit until 9:38 -- a full 35 minutes AFTER everyone with two working brain cells knew the United States was under attack.}

I immediately, somebody handed me a cell phone, and it was General Eberhart out at NORAD in Colorado Springs talking about what was happening and the actions he was going to take. We immediately, after talking to him, jumped in the car, ran back to the Pentagon. {stickdog's note: So after after spending the 35 minutes between the second plane hitting the WTC and the Pentagon atack in sensory deprivation tanks, they immediately rushed off to a highly insecure location that an active enemy had already successfully attacked once. Brilliant military strategy, huh?}

My concern was where can you best discharge your duties? Where's your duty station? As a sailor, Quinn, you know a lot about your battle station. Well, my battle station was in the National Military Command Center. I asked if it was still running, they said it sure is, so I went back in the building to the Command Center and was joined shortly thereafter by the Secretary of Defense. The Deputy Secretary actually went to another location at that point. We did what had to be done in terms of the command and control of the day. {stickdog's note: Just as soon as we did our best to make sure the attacks were successful by picking our asses between 9:03 and 9:38, that is.}


So Myers claims he was at Senator Max Cleland's office at 8:40 and after hearing about the first plane hitting the WTC on TV, he went in to Cleland's office and met with Cleland for an hour. Nobody called him and told him that a second plane had hit, that the air corridor had been closed between Washington and Cleveland, that a plane had been hijacked in Ohio and was flying back to the Pentagon. Then he also claims that when he walked out of Cleland's office over an hour later, he was handed a portable phone and it was the head of NORAD -- the North American Aerospace Defense Command -- telling him that the Pentagon had been hit.

Now these are unbelievable assertions. Doesn't the man have a beeper? Doesn't the man have his own cell phone? Doesn't the man have an entire staff who knows where he is? General Myers was, after all, the acting head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff of the US military. Wouldn't anybody think to inform him that an indeterminate number of passenger jets were being hijacked and exploded into skyscrapers? And what did Max Cleland tell the Senate that he and General Myers were talking about during this crucial, fateful hour? Cleland claimed that the two of them sat there for a full hour while the continental USA was suffering its worst attack via air power in its entire history, and they discussed the dangers of terrorism. Now this is like a satire, isn't it?

Here are some excerpts from General Myers' testimony at his Joint Chiefs of Staff Senate confirmation hearing on 9/13/01, just two days after 9/11. Note how Senator Max Cleland enters the "discussion" with an out-of-the-blue non-question non sequitur to keep any of the other Senators from questioning General Myers' ridiculously shaky alibi.

http://emperors-clothes.com/9-11backups/mycon.htm

Senate Armed Services Committee Holds Hearing On Nomination of General Richard Myers to be Chairman of The Joint Chiefs of Staff, Washington, D.C., SEPTEMBER 13, 2001.

SENATOR LEVIN: ... Was the Defense Department contacted by the FAA or the FBI or any other agency after the first two hijacked aircraft crashed into the World Trade Center, prior to the time that the Pentagon was hit?

GENERAL MYERS: Sir, I don't know the answer to that question. I can get that for you, for the record ... That order, to the best of my knowledge, was after the Pentagon was struck. ... I was with Senator Cleland when this happened and went back to the Pentagon. And they were evacuating, of course, the Pentagon at the time. And I went into the National Military Command Center because that's essentially my battle station when things are happening.

SENATOR LEVIN: Was the Defense Department contacted by the FAA or the FBI or any other agency after the first two hijacked aircraft crashed into the World Trade Center, prior to the time that the Pentagon was hit?

GENERAL MYERS: Sir, I don't know the answer to that question. I can get that for you, for the record.

SENATOR LEVIN: Thank you. Did the Defense Department take -- or was the Defense Department asked to take action against any specific aircraft? Did you take action against -- for instance, there have been statements that the aircraft that crashed in Pennsylvania was shot down. Those stories continue to exist.

GENERAL MYERS: Mr. Chairman, the armed forces did not shoot down any aircraft. When it became clear what the threat was, we did scramble fighter aircraft, AWACS, radar aircraft and tanker aircraft to begin to establish orbits in case other aircraft showed up in the FAA system that were hijacked. But we never actually had to use force.

SENATOR LEVIN: Was that order that you just described given before or after the Pentagon was struck? Do you know?

GENERAL MYERS: That order, to the best of my knowledge, was after the Pentagon was struck.
{stickdog's note: OOOOPS!}

SENATOR CLELAND: ... General, it's a good thing that, as I look back at that morning, that you and I were meeting. It's a good thing we were meeting here and not us meeting in the Pentagon because about the time you and I were having our visit, discussing the need to boost our conventional forces, to look at the question of terrorism and attacks on the United States, at just about that very moment, the Pentagon was being hit.

GENERAL MYERS: Yes, sir. {stickdog's note: Thanks for coming to my rescue with a bullshit alibi, sir!}

SENATOR REED: ... But it seems to me, in a very narrow point of force protection, that in terms of the Pentagon, a major military facility, you had absolutely no advance warning that such an attack was being contemplated, prepared, planned or executed. Is that correct?

MYERS: There was no strategic warning that this was contemplated or planned, to the best of my knowledge.

SENATOR BILL NELSON: ... General Myers, The second World Trade tower was hit shortly after 9:00. And the Pentagon was hit approximately 40 minutes later. Thats approximately. You would know specifically what the time-line was. The crash that occurred in Pennsylvania after the Newark westbound flight was turned around 180 degrees and started heading back to Washington was approximately an hour after the World Trade Center second explosion. You said earlier in your testimony that we had not scrambled any military aircraft until after the Pentagon was hit. And so, my question would be: why? {stickdog's note: why, indeed!}

GENERAL MYERS: I think I had that right, that it was not until then. I'd have to go back and review the exact time-lines.

SENATOR BILL NELSON: ... If we knew that there was a general threat on terrorist activity, which we did, and we suddenly have two trade towers in New York being obviously hit by terrorist activity, of commercial airliners taken off course from Boston to Los Angeles, then what happened to the response of the defense establishment once we saw the diversion of the aircraft headed west from Dulles turning around 180 degrees and, likewise, in the aircraft taking off from Newark and, in flight, turning 180 degrees? That's the question. I leave it to you as to how you would like to answer it. But we would like an answer.

GENERAL MYERS: You bet. I spoke, after the second tower was hit, I spoke to the commander of NORAD, General Eberhart. And at that point, I think the decision was at that point to start launching aircraft...

{stickdog's note: OK, so if General Myers talked to General Eberhart after the second tower was hit, why did he then meet with Cleland for over 30 minutes to talk about "the question of terrorism and attacks on the United States"? I mean, wasn't he aware that America was currently experiencing just such an attack--the very worst such attack in its entire history? How in the world did he manage to while away 30+ minutes with Cleland such that he didn't arrive at the National Military Command Center, his admitted "battle station when things are happening," until the Pentagon was being evacuated (about 9:40 at the earliest)? Didnt having hijacker terrorists hit the two tallest buildings in the United States with passenger jets qualify as a time "when things are happening"?}

In this case, if my memory serves me -- and I'll have to get back to you for the record -- my memory says that we had launched on the one that eventually crashed in Pennsylvania. I mean, we had gotten somebody close to it, as I recall. I'll have to check that out. {stickdog's note: Note that Myers' memory is somehow failing him just TWO days after one of the most memorable events in most Americans' lives!}

SENATOR BILL NELSON: ... Commenting from CNN on the time-line, 9:03 is the correct time that the United Airlines flight crashed into the south tower of the World Trade Center; 9:43 is the time that American Airlines flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon. And 10:10 a.m. is the time that United Airlines flight 93 crashed in Somerset County, Pennsylvania. So that was 40 minutes between the second tower being hit and the Pentagon crash. And it is an hour and seven minutes until the crash occurred in Pennsylvania.

SENATOR LEVIN: The time that we don't have is when the Pentagon was notified, if they were, by the FAA or the FBI or any other agency, relative to any potential threat or any planes having changed direction or anything like that. And that's the same which you will give us because that's . . .

GENERAL MYERS: I can answer that. At the time of the first impact on the World Trade Center {stickdog's note: at 8:46 EDT}, we stood up our crisis action team. That was done immediately. So we stood it up. And we started talking to the federal agencies. The time I do not know is when NORAD responded with fighter aircraft. I don't know that time.

SENATOR LEVIN: Or the time that I asked you for, which was whether the FAA or FBI notified you that other planes had turned direction from their path, their scheduled path, and were returning or aiming towards Washington, whether there was any notice from any of them, because that's such an obvious shortfall if there wasn't.

GENERAL MYERS: Right. {stickdog's note: Right? Right??? That's your answer?}

SENATOR LEVIN: And in any event, but more important, if you could get us that information.

GENERAL MYERS: It probably happened. As you remember, I was not in the Pentagon at that time, so that part of it is a little hazy. {stickdog's note: Remember again that this is just two days after 9/11. I mean, wasn't Myers even the LEAST bit curious about the US military's complete failure to defend our skies that day?} After that, we started getting regular notifications through NORAD, FAA to NORAD, on other flights that we were worried about. And we knew about the one that eventually crashed in Pennsylvania. I do not know, again, whether we had fighters scrambled on it. I have to . . .

SENATOR LEVIN: If you could get us those times then. We know you don't know them.

GENERAL MYERS: But we'll get them. {stickdog's note: Yep. Just as soon as we piece together SOME shred of any sort of half-believable cover story.}


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John Doe II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 06:48 PM
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1. Great post!
Edited on Wed Jun-22-05 06:56 PM by John Doe II
And here my favorite:

You said earlier in your testimony that we had not scrambled any military aircraft until after the Pentagon was hit. And so, my question would be: why? {stickdog's note: why, indeed!}

GENERAL MYERS: I think I had that right, that it was not until then. I'd have to go back and review the exact time-lines.

Yeah, that's the kind of answers that you get promoted....!


When did who phone whom?

In the above mentioned statement Myers says that he phoned Eberhart after the second attack (not explaining of course why then they waited for another 35 minutes and the Pentagon attack to happen before scrambling fighters.
In the following account by Myers it"s Eberhart who phoned him AFTER the Pentagon hit!

Sometime during that office call the second tower was hit. Nobody informed us of that.
But when we came out, that was obvious. Then right at that time somebody said the Pentagon has been hit.
I immediately,
somebody handed me a cell phone, and it was General Eberhart
out at NORAD in Colorado Springs talking about what was happening and the actions he was going to take.
We immediately,
after talking to him, jumped in the car, ran back to the Pentagon.

(Armed Forces Radio and Television Service, 10/17/01)
http://911research.wtc7.net/cache/disinfo/alibis/AFRTS_...

And did the Commission ask for clarification ...........?
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 01:26 AM
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2. this guy's possibly the weakest link...
Hey stickdog, I've always loved your chain of command dossier, so much so that I posted it as an article at 911Truth.org

DOSSIER ON GENERAL MYERS'S ACTIVITIES ON THE MORNING OF SEPT. 11
Comments by "Stickdog"
http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=2004081422090...

A friend of mine will be cutting into this thread soon with an important aspect you've missed here, however: Richard Clarke creates a very different account of what Myers was doing this morning. Direct conflict = proof at least one of them is lying. Given the inconsistencies, no doubt Myers is lying and lied under oath to boot!
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demodewd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 01:34 AM
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3. Cleland
Certainly puts Max Cleland into a different perspective. Asked to be removed from the 911 Commision..is this a limited hangout? Myers,if complicit,and I'm thinking he is, would have probably pre-meditated his moves that morning.So...he spends it with Max...and apparently Max doesn't become alarmed to the point of wondering what the blazes Myers is doing hanging around after the initial two crashes?
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 03:48 PM
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9. Good point. The whole thing stinks and Cleland is no
hero for what he did on the commission, that is for sure. I don't know what you mean by a limited hangout-- I actually wonder if Cleland was forced out somehow-- the job alibi always seemed a little weak to me.

Myers was supposedly in charge of the NORAD hijacking exercises on 9/11, I'm sure he's complicit in the attacks in some way.

Very odd how Myers stayed away from the Pentagon and at Cleland's office-- I would bet Myers knew the Pentagon would be hit.

And while Cleland was giving Myers an alibi, I wonder if he was also reminding Myers that he knew Myers was guilty-- was some sort of deal made between them?
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mirandapriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-22-06 03:08 AM
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14. I was disappointed by Cleland here, too..
He was one of the good guys, I had thought. He also seemed fine with the "surprising" upset in his re-election. Hmmmm
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Nozebro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 09:53 AM
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18. That's because he values life above all else, and his life, despite his

terrible physical problems, isn't so bad, all things considered. I'm sure he lives far better than 99% of other casualties of the Vietnam War.
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Norrin Radd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 05:19 AM
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25. Limited hangout def:
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philb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 01:47 AM
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4. Myers testimony is contradticted by that of many officials
Myers testimony about where he was when and what he did and what the military did or did not do is contradicted by the testimony of many officials and by other evidence.
http://www.flcv.com/offcompl.html

But so is that of Cheney and Rumsfeld & Gen Arnold
see same source above.
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 03:00 PM
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8. Looks like you read DR Griffin's book on the 9/11 commission
I am just finishing it now, and overall he eviscerates the comission. I can't believe the sackload of bullshit they passed onto the US public.
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 05:45 PM
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5. Kick for straight up IHOPers (nt)
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philb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 08:05 PM
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6. Rumsfeld's assistant was at the NMCC phone conference & briefing him from
Edited on Thu Jun-23-05 08:07 PM by philb
at least 8:50 AM, but Rumsfeld was only on the conference call with the FAA and military(NMCC, NORAD) for a short period.
So what was so important in his office that the Sec. of Defense didn't have time to interact with the FAA and military about defending the U.S. against the planes, all of which were known about well before they hit anything. It seems that the main leaders were trying to avoid taking responsibility, and even afterward were covering up the extent that they knew what was going on.

Except that Cheney appears to have been the person who really was in control. But afterward tried to fudge the time line and make it appear that he wasn't in control.

Shortly after 9/11, Sec of Defense Donald Rumsfeld made a statement carried by news reports and on the DOD web site about his actions on 9/11. Apparently he was also anxious to imply that he had not been aware of the 9/11 events before the buildings were hit. He said that he heard something happened and went downstairs to see what happened and was told a plane had hit the Pentagon (he was in the East wing, plane hit the west wing which is a considerable distance away). He said he went to the crash site and helped with putting people on stretchers for loading in ambulances and returned to his office at about 10:20. In testimony to the 9/11 Comm., he gave a slightly different story. He said that when the plane hit the Pentagon shook and he went out to see what had happened. He said he wasnt there long and returned to his office at about 10:00. Note that actions and times are important due to other events.
The 9/11 Comm. agreed with the first report regarding actions and with the 2nd statement regarding the time of return to the office. But note the time that the plane hit and the fact that it is about a 10 minute walk from Rumsfelds office in the East wing to the west wing parking lot. Also there is contradictory testimony to any of these statements.
http://www.flcv.com/offcom77.html
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 10:35 PM
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7. Let's see Vigilent Guardian, Vigilent Warrior go on that morning.......
and Meyer's isn't involved with that? Who was running that show? Seems mighty odd that the JCS is on his way to Europe and 2nd in command Meyers is shooting the breeze with Max that morning.

He was particularly Vigilente, I'd say.

Who was involved with that? How come no interaction with that VG/VWcommand center at all in the reports of that morning? You'd think there'd be all kinds of communication trails between that command center and the real hi-jackings...

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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 03:52 PM
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10. Myers should have been the one in charge for the hijacking exercise--
unless Shelton set up the exercise and left Myers in charge much the same way Brigadier General Winfield left the inexperienced Captain Leidig in charge of the NMCC on 9/11.

Were they setting up an incompetence defense?
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 10:52 PM
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11. Can't think of a better alibi than being in a Democratic Senator's office
at that moment. Sure would like Max to shed some light on what Meryers was talking about and how he was acting that morning in his office.

Of course, Meyer's gets rewarded for his inaction by getting the JCS job a few weeks later.
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Harald Ragnarsson Donating Member (366 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-22-06 02:53 AM
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13. I can't believe that the Chairman of the JCS isn't in contact with
Sec of Defense and CiC at all times.

What, if we were under attack from a foreign air force they would have to track him down by cell phone?

Not in the Air Force I was in.
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-22-06 01:24 AM
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12. General Myers! That guy owes me money! (nt)
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-22-06 08:50 AM
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15. Brilliant post stickdog! nt
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-22-06 12:04 PM
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16. Where are the debunkers?
So where are the usual suspects to attack this?

I put this piece up at 911Truth.org a long time ago:
http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=2004081422090...

Great work!
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Andre II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 03:11 AM
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17. Yes,
where are they?
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Nozebro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 09:55 AM
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19. They're waiting for the next sucker to post about speed v acceleration. nt

N/T
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mhatrw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 03:51 AM
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20. Great question.
This is the first in a long line of lies about the military's response on 9/11.

Why all the lies? Would any "debunker" care to offer an opinion on this?
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Nozebro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 11:23 AM
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21. Incorrect to call them "debunkers"

A debunker is one that exposes the sham or falseness of something. With all due respect (to you, them, and everybody else), that isn't what "they" do, at least not here.
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mhatrw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 05:34 PM
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22. More people need to read this. n/t
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petgoat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 09:14 PM
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23. Oh we can't have that. It would breed a lack of confidence in
our government, which would lead to cynicism about voting,
which would lead to the collapse of democracy.

Besides, it would depress consumer confidence.
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Nozebro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 09:23 PM
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24. Yes, you're right. Can't have any degeneration in the consumption ethic. EOM

NT
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Andre II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 05:21 PM
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31. I second that!
stickdog you rock

:yourock:
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 09:44 AM
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26. Anyone know why Stickdog was tombstoned?
I liked his 9/11 writing. Didn't realize he was banned.
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Nozebro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 01:10 PM
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28. Other than Jazz, he's the only OCT'er I'm aware of that has been banned.
nt
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Ezlivin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 11:08 AM
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27. General Myers is lying
I know this from second-hand experience. My wife worked at CINCPACFLT, had an ultra-super-secret clearance and would act as a courier at times. She went to the CINC's house in the middle of the night and rousted him from sleep to give him important information. He was "just" a lowly Admiral (equivalent to a General), but there was no way he could be out of touch.

Since intel had already warned of strikes in the US and we had properly secured Genoa against airliners, the first report of any aircraft striking the WTC would have caused alert levels to rise. The second one would definitely raise an alert, particularly since it was clearly seen to be a large aircraft flown purposely into the building. And any strike against the Pentagon would immediately place our forces at a war-time alert.

To think that no one brought this information to Gen. Myers in the middle of the day is absolutely ridiculous.

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mhatrw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 03:11 AM
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30. Yes, it is. n/t
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philb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 11:33 PM
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29. More documentation on complicity
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