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Christophera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 03:54 PM
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Explosions In Basement, Cracks & Shatters Concrete Walls.
Edited on Fri Apr-01-05 04:13 PM by Christophera
In order for the impact of the planes to have caused what witnesses describe below, the impact must have triggered vibration detectors that in turn initiated high explosives in walls of the basement or foundation elements.

Basement walls shattering that are outside the WTC foundation footprint, to a degree where pieces are slowly falling off, following the impact of a plane at the 90th floor, is completely incongruent with logic. Walls shattering 4 levels below the ground in the WTC 1 basement with plane impact is incongruent with logic. The heat layering of the dust is consistent with explosives though. Windows further away from the tower broken, all from the impact of a jetliner at the 90th floor, it just doesn't add up. The tower moves and absorbs the shock of 750 foot per second with a single deformation then recovers within one cycle, or perhaps two. The towers were only connected through bed rock. The impact of the plane was horizontal, the tower flexes and it recovers. Unlike the description taken from a below account at the 71st floor.

The building rocked first in one direction then shuttered back and forth and finally settled. None of us were hurt or knocked off our seats but getting up while the building was moving was difficult. The building felt like it had moved at least five or six feet in each direction.

The above describes a period of perhaps 5 seconds, perhaps a little longer. The description of "shuttered" indicates a series of delayed detonations of minimal yield that were distributed through the foundation system of the tower.

Since no free surface explosions were ever directly witnessed, and the most that is seen is heavy particulate at high velocity arcing upward from the tower core, mostly pushing massive steel fragments considerable horizontal distances, it can be assumed that the explosives were very well contained and distributed and that the containment was done with great uniformity allowing high pressures to build up whereupon final fracturing of the container, the velocity of the escaping gas is so great, that the container is reduced to much smaller components than if the explosive were not contained in that way. Beams against he concrete core walls were pushed directly outward as the concrete behind them exploded against the web of I beams. This tore apart the entire exterior framework that formed the outer tube of the "tube in a tube" construction of the towers.

Applied to the above ground dust many have referred to must have been created in this way because no other method exists to do this. The dust cannot be manufactured in any other way without creating a completely different event than the one we see in the photos of the towers coming down.

Technology developed in the cold war for self destruct missile silos and sub bases was secretly used, then the secret stolen and abused September 11, 2,001. C4 high explosive is dissolved in an appropriate solvent to a point of a higher viscosity liquid and then concrete reinforcing bar is dipped and hung to dry, then assembled into the standard grid work of rebar before being formed and cast with concrete.

By the account of Mike Pecoraro, at the bottom of these accounts I've cite here, there must have been much higher concentrations in the WTC1 tower itself that the basement walls of the sub parking lot. Walls could be made that would explode with destructive force great enough to rip apart attached steel structures such as the core/tower demolition, or they could be made to just develop a fine series of cracks (foundations or maybe only interior walls) enabling them to be picked apart with heavy equipment easily rather than jack hammers. In photos of the towers coming down generally, the white puffy clouds are the floors and the arching brown/grey material traveling with upward velocity are sand gravel and cement.

The heart of democracy is opinion and action. Opinion comes from information (if it's sincere) and that comes from media, generally throughout our lives.

This is information from PEOPLE who survived the WTC on 9-11 and it should create an opinion; in a person sincere with understanding (construction/explosive knowledge assumed) and then a respect for the ideals of our founding documents and their ability, with our participation, to protect our lives and liberty then enable us to pursue happiness; that there were explosives distributed through the walls in varying densities, centered and encapsulated, protected from vaporization and oxidization since being installed during construction, in the basement of the WTC towers.

Learn about the documentary I saw in 1990 that described in detail the construction of the cast tubular concrete core. There ARE pictures of the concrete tubular core as the tower is falling.

http://algoxy.com/psych/9-11scenario.html

There are also pictures of free standing rebar, however no pictures of the tower core that FEMA describes can be found anywhere.


Eyewitness/Survivor Accounts of 9-11

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By Yin Liang

We kept walking, on the 10th or 11th floor, a lots more people are coming into the stairs, we saw smokes coming in, the line is still very orderly,
on the 3rd or 4th floor, we see water running on the stairs, some people in front of us took their shoes off, My shoes get wet and squeaky, so I
took my shoe and sock off also, we kept walking, the movement is still very calm and orderly, once we reached the basement floor, there are more waters on the ground, more firemen are coming in, police officers are also standing near the stairs, asking every body to remain calm and walk orderly toward the building exit. We do remain very calm and orderly. The water are now almost one inch deep, they do not appear dirty, then I found out all the waters are coming from the ceiling sprinkers. I saw all the sprinklers on the basement ceiling are working, so we get pretty wet. There are lots of police officers directing us inside the world trade center basement, they asked us to walk orderly to exit the building. we reached the front gate of One World Trade Center ( where every morning I would swipe my WTC Access Card to go inside the building) are damaged, the ceilings are cracked and one piece of ceiling is down on the side already, the gates are broken apart, We pass the gate, the revolving doors are not damaged in the front are not damaged,they consists of three doors, now two door are being switched to the side, so we do not have to push the revolving door to go through it). We are now outside the One World Trade Center tower, but we are still inside the huge WTC Basement Complex.

On the way out from the stair, I also hear the walls are cracking, pieces of walls are falling on my far right side, around 40-50 feet away, there is an escalator right in front of us, during a "regular day", we normally use that escalator to go up to the street level concourse, then go through the revolving door to go outside. So naturally some people turned to take that escalator, but the police officers directed us to keep going forward,


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http://www.framerate.net/wtc/john.shtml

The PA had given me a cubicle on the south side of the 71st floor of WTC1 (the north building). At 8:30 I was in a status meeting on 71 East. The building rocked first in one direction then shuttered back and forth and finally settled. None of us were hurt or knocked off our seats but getting up while the building was moving was difficult. The building felt like it had moved at least five or six feet in each direction. From the conference room door I could see out the window. The sky was so blue, papers were flying everywhere. It looked like a ticker tape parade. We speculated from the start that we were hit by a plane. I ran around the floor to the south side of the building grabbed my backpack, and laptop. Everyone was off the floor pretty quickly. The guy I report to and I headed out to the lobby.
One of the stairwells smelled strongly of smoke.The other seemed okay and we joined a group of others already beginning the walk down.

Everyone handled it so well; we all helped each other. We walked down two by two stopping every so often for some unknown reason. Some people were helped down from higher floors with terrible burns over their bodies. Whenever necessary we would press ourselves into a single file line to let people get by. It was pretty hot; people were slipping on the sweat of the people who had come before them. In some places the smoke was worse than others. Thank god the lights always stayed on. People covered their mouths and eyes with whatever they had available. When fears bubbled up there were always reassuring words from the right person that calmed even the most frightened of us. I was told from someone who was on 81 that there was fire on his floor immediately after the first plane struck.
When the second plane struck we felt it, but had no idea what it was. It wasn't until someone began getting news on his pager that we knew that a plane had hit each of the towers and the pentagon. People constantly were checking their cell phones to see if there was service. Many of us had service but no calls could get out. I remember joking that we should all buy stock in the first company whose service worked.


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Stationary Engineer Mike Pecoraro, who was working in the sub-basement level of the North Tower, gives a harrowing eyewitness account of numerous ground and sub-basement level explosions in the on-line publication Chiefengineer. For example, The two decided to ascend the stairs to the C level, to a small machine shop where Vito Deleo and David Williams were supposed to be working. When the two arrived at the C level, they found the machine shop gone. There was nothing there but rubble, Mike said. We're talking about a 50 ton hydraulic press ? gone! The two made their way to the parking garage, but found that it, too, was gone. There were no walls, there was rubble on the floor, and you can't see anything he said
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Sweet Pea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 03:07 PM
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1. n/t
:tinfoilhat:
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Christophera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 03:45 PM
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2. Phillip Morelli, WTC Survivor, 2 Blasts, Walls Crashing
The towers had powerful but distributed explosions associated with the plane impacts.

Phillip Morelli apparently was in a video



http://www.terrorize.dk/911/wtc2hit13 /

I haven't got the right player to view it, so let me know. Here is summary.

http://ny1.com/pages/RRR/911special_survivors.html



Construction worker Phillip Morelli, a 37-year-old Queens native, loved his seven years of working at the World Trade Center. When he heard the impact of the first airliner striking more than 90 floors above, he thought something big had tipped over in one of the other basement levels just above him.

He encountered smoke and screaming people when he made his way up to the underground parking lot, then started running over to the other tower, the way out from there. He arrived as the second airliner hit, sending the walls crashing down around him.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 04:50 PM
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3. According to this video, while Morelli was in the basement levels
of Tower 1, he felt 3 explosions. The reporter said he experienced the first one at 8:30 shortly followed by another one. He also felt the "impact" of the plane? going into Tower 2.
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Christophera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 10:49 PM
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7. Walls Crashing Down
He arrived as the second airliner hit, sending the walls crashing down around him.


OmmmSweetOmmm,

Thanks for bring that info back.

I was wondering where the info about the "walls crashing" came from in the summary I found and thought the video might have something like that language.

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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 10:43 PM
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4. So I'm convinced there were explosives that helped bring down
the towers.

What do we do now?
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Christophera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 01:31 AM
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6. A Threshold Of Understanding Approaches
Edited on Tue Apr-05-05 01:39 AM by Christophera
spooked911 wrote:
So I'm convinced there were explosives that helped bring down
the towers.
What do we do now?


We work as a group to ascend to a new Threshold of understanding or introducing the concept amongst activists so it can be more rapidly shared. First thing is a uniform presentation. Effecting that is really a psychological event amongst those who actually selflessly care enough to be a part of a group because they understand. Understanding is a very powerful thing.

When a human sees other humans cognitively AGREEING because they understand, there is a need FELT to try and understand with them. If the agreed issues are important and they effect a person they will want to begin to understand, then finally understand and want to join in the agreement. Human nature.

We need to show, display, celebrate our agreement openly, explain it earnestly with all the real need attached to it that is deserved and do it in areas where people are. We can't NOT do this just because they don't want to hear it so we have to be very organized and tactful. We must ooze respect and determination with a full recognition of the truly sacred values that our founding documents represent, something so few possess but so many love. This doesn't say that when our information is unreasonably resisted that we passively accept the abuse of our heartfelt efforts.

There is a maxim that does apply.

Darkness is unknowing and light is knowing.

Those who do not want to know the truth are working for darkness, literally. So many have died and the risk to our future is so great, this is fully justified, we've been lied to and manipulated for years.

I suggest we create our own private members only board for "truth troll training", so that effective methods are used from the beginning. Then go back to every board we've ever posted in individually, as a group, and show them what people agreeing for the best reasons can do. I've got some fun places to return to and I'm sure others do too. If we are going to do this right we need to alert the non profits that could see benefit to the manifestations of their mission and purpose, and ask them to join in the effort. I'd do that with certified mail, if I had my way. There's alot of them tho.

Some of the difficulty we will have is described here.

Threshold Of 9-11 Activism; Can We Make The Step?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

We could use a series of online petitions that track our agreement becoming a foundation that we refer authorities and personalities to for demonstration that indeed, people do understand a scenario that actually explains what happened. This applies pressure to them to understand as well.

At this point we are very close to creating a few certainties that many, many people will be strongly influenced by.

1. The concrete core and the FEMA lie
2. The reduction of the concrete to sand and gravel.

Once visibility is attained, #2 is where it becomes harrowing for Joe Public because the only way it can happen is about like I've described it here.

http://algoxy.com/psych/9-11scenario.html

Any other method will create a completely different appearance.

Meaning to the public that the problem is IMMENSE. No problem with understanding, but I'm not going into that part here.

The idea is to focus on #1 for as long as possible, then when #2 comes along it has meaning. The disinfos focus on "no concrete core" because that means #2 doesn't have to be explained with its implications.

The below image provides absolute evidence of the concrete core and the lack of multiple steel columns. The FEMA lie in one photo if you know what you are looking at.



Smoking Gun?



If the multiple steel columns existed they would be VERY visible here. Couple that realization with all the sand and gravel in the basement, and it's in the bag. One at a time at first then hundreds then thousands. Always remembering these words.

Returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that. - ML King

I'm sure many readers here will understand why the following paragraph makes sense but I need to articulate with relation to the words of ML King above that OmmmSweetOmmm brings to us, appropo.

Specifically here, because we really do not understand what has happenned in the larger sense, we must not focus on establishing blame, only understanding what has happenned. Feelings of resentment and hatred need to be put away. We need to care and focus on our principles as a nation, not punishing the puppets of usurpation.
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demodewd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 11:12 PM
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5. white puffy vs arching greyish brown
In photos of the towers coming down generally, the white puffy clouds are the floors and the arching brown/grey material traveling with upward velocity are sand gravel and cement.

My interpretation of this white/brown grey contrast is that the brown grey plumes were present on the floors above the crash sites and thusly were mixed with smoke. Compare the upper floors of the South Tower at the beginning of its collapse to the initial explosions of its base.
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Dancing_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-05 06:04 PM
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8. Then, at the begining of the Tower Demolitions
High temperature explosives went off that melted a lot of the central core steel, actually vaporized some metal from below ground which later turned up as elementary condensed metal deposits on WTC dust, blew out the outer walls of the sub-basements causing flooding down there, left molten metal pools deep in the rubble for weeks or months after 9/11, and continued vaporizing dirt, glass and metals detected in the smoke from the rubble weeks after 9/11, and continued to cause spontaneous combustion of materials in the rubble pile for months...


Yeah, there were some major explosives planted down there...no wonder the Twin Tower demolitions look rather like erupting volcanoes.

And high above each of the Twin Towers, mushroom clouds formed as they were being demolished.

New Yorkers ought to be very interested...it effects their health to this very day.
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Christophera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-05 06:45 PM
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9. Art and Truth
Posted by Dancing_Dave
High temperature explosives went off that melted a lot of the central core steel,


Yes, it is true. Being a stickler for sequence and detail I wanted to see if I might adjust the terms used a little.

The detail of the term "central core steel", supports the structure that FEMA says existed with elements unseen in the 1990 documentary I saw. Elements also unseen in any of demolition or cleanup photos. There was plenty of steel melting but it was not the "central core", it was the interior box columns and the perimeter box columns.

The sequence as it fits into images and eyewitness accounts indicates explosions happened in the basement at plane impact. I've got good reason to beleive that the thermite was not intitiated until the tower was perhaps halfway down. Had the thermite been done sooner the lower tower body would have exhibited a tilt because columns left standing (some couldn't be reached to apply thermite in the remodel after the 1993 bombing) and visable in clean up photos, would have caused a topple to begin.

Posted by Dancing_Dave

actually vaporized some metal from below ground which later turned up as elementary condensed metal deposits on WTC dust, blew out the outer walls of the sub-basements causing flooding down there,


Rather than the thermite blowing out the walls on collapse, the building engineers indicate that explosions at plane impacts blew out basement walls and caused the flooding.

Posted by Dancing_Dave

left molten metal pools deep in the rubble for weeks or months after 9/11, and continued vaporizing dirt, glass and metals detected in the smoke from the rubble weeks after 9/11, and continued to cause spontaneous combustion of materials in the rubble pile for months...
Yeah, there were some major explosives planted down there...no wonder the Twin Tower demolitions look rather like erupting volcanoes.
And high above each of the Twin Towers, mushroom clouds formed as they were being demolished.
New Yorkers ought to be very interested...it effects their health to this very day.


You definately share the picture tho. Thanks!

Methinks you're exercising a flair for drama, that's good. It's time for us to start using the arts for expressing/sharing the outrage of knowing the truth. That musician/performer in you is looking for methods to share.

Hey, here's a contest for art. You got your 9-11 song done? Mine's done.

http://www.sf911truth.org/contest.html
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demodewd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-05 07:00 PM
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10. speaking of...
Speaking of sharing...why do you go out of your way to ignore me...??
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staticstopper Donating Member (314 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-05 07:32 PM
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11. Which tower had the explosion/attack
Edited on Mon May-02-05 07:35 PM by staticstopper
in the parking garage in 93?
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demodewd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-05 08:05 PM
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12. I don't know
I don't know. Does it matter?
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staticstopper Donating Member (314 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-05 09:00 PM
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13. maybe..
Edited on Mon May-02-05 09:53 PM by staticstopper
if the people who believe in the official conspiracy theory use that to explain why the tower that was hit second fell first (and had much less fire damage too)

if indeed the tower that was hit second is the one that got bombed in 93.

well, i just thought of something, does the parking garage lays beneath both towers??

i'll look it up-i'm being lazy :hangover:

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ok, i went and looked - found interesting things:

looks like north tower was bombed in 93

(BTW why is it so confusing with South/North Tower or Tower ONE/TWO)
another thing i have to look up!

reinforced floors almost 30 inches think blasted away on 3 levels below grade, plus a concourse level floor, leaving a crater about 150 feet in diameter at it's largest point.
On the B1 level, the operations control center of the Port Authority Police Department (and the fire command station forthe complex) was heavily damaged and rendered out of service.
On the B2 level, various walls of elevator shafts and freshair plenums severely damaged, allowing smoke to enter and rise through the cores of both towers.
Numerous concrete walls destroyed or damaged.
200,000 cubic feet of water poured into the lowest grade from damaged refrigeration unit supplies (from the Hudson River), sewer lines, fresh domestic water lines, steam pipes, and condensate return. Water 1.5 feet deep across the B6 level.
124 parked cars destroyed, 102 damaged.
Partition walls blown out onto PATH train mezzanine.
Numerous telephone conduits collapsed from ceiling onto cars (but phone service was not cut, miraculously).
Fire alarm and public address systems out of service.
Elevators out of service.
Water cooled emergency generators shut down due to overheating when their water supply was cut. This disabled the emergency lighting.
Sprinklers & standpipes out of service.
2,500 tons of rubble removed.
Clean up effort involved 2,700 workers per day, plus a total of 160,000 gallons of cleaning fluid and 200,00 gallons of detergent.
Restoration cost: $250,000,000
- from WRH

(time to wire crazy stuff up???)

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Christophera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 09:03 PM
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15. If The Thermite Went Off At The Beginning, They Might Topple
Certainly the thermite was at the first floor level and lower.

With a fully loaded building, asymetrically exploding, a toppling effect could start. Whereas if the thermite goes off when there's about 20 floors left, if it does, ot's too late to even show.
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philb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 09:32 PM
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16. Firemen and survivors report basement explosion at WTC2 before
the tower "collapsed"

When the fire rescue team reached an area directly in front of Tower Two, Antonio said he'd take over the equipment cart Will had pushed from Building 5. ... The team moved ahead. Scant minutes passed. Suddenly the hallway began to shudder as a terrible deafening roar swept over them. That's when Will saw the giant fireball explode in the street.
Seconds later the team's entire world began to crumble. It was precisely 9:59 a.m. The Trade Center's South Tower had just collapsed. http://www.bowhunter.com/feature_articles/BN_FromTheRub... /


United Airlines Flight 175 struck the 78th through 84th floors of the south tower at almost 9:03 a.m., 16 1/2 minutes after a jet hit the north tower.
Brian Clark, executive vice president of Euro Brokers on the 84th floor, was standing against the west wall when the higher wing of the Boeing 767 hit his floor. "It felt like the building was going to fall," he recalls. Five Euro Brokers colleagues walked with Clark into the hall, turned left and entered Stairway A. Clark and co-worker Ronald DiFrancesco continued down. Clark heard banging from inside Fuji Bank's wrecked office. "Help! I'm buried! Can anybody help?" yelled Stanley Praimnath, a loan officer. Clark pulled him from the rubble and they walked down together.
As he left the building, saw a fireball rolling toward him. He put his arms in front of his face. He woke up three days later at St. Vincent's hospital. His arms were burned. Some bones were broken. His lungs were singed. But he was alive.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/sept11/2001/12/19/usat-esc...


Also note: there are videos showing the basement explosions, and janitors and building engineers who've also confirmed them.
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Christophera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 12:50 PM
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18. Building Engineers In Basement 5 Levels Down: "Walls Gone".
This issue of walls gone fits perfectly, the C4 coated rebar as well as William Rodriguez story.

http://algoxy.com/psych/9-11scenario.html#anchor1205439
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-05 09:15 AM
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26. And how about the train stations below. Wasn't there extensive damage?
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Christophera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-05 10:57 AM
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27. WIth Walls Blowing Up On the Third Level, The Stations Would Be
Edited on Tue Aug-16-05 10:58 AM by Christophera
From the survivor accounts I've found,

http://algoxy.com/psych/9-11scenario.html#anchor1205439

Everything above the 4th level was hit very hard with explosions.

Do you have links to descriptions of the train stations and damage there?

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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-05 01:11 PM
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28. I will do a search, but it is no great secret that subway stations were
Edited on Tue Aug-16-05 01:18 PM by OmmmSweetOmmm
very badly damaged. I just found this one article that discusses the estimated cost and time involved to repair them.

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1215/is_11_2...

On edit.. Found this too.. more later
http://www.hudsoncity.net/tubes/wtcstationdestroyed.htm...
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Christophera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-05 02:19 PM
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29. In Searching, Notice Any Maps And Diagrams Of the Basements, Please.
I've neglected that and it might help to organize eyewitness accounts.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 09:01 AM
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17. Kick for witness evidence of explosives! n/t
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 03:07 PM
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19. Aren't you the person who called for some basic standard of evidence?
Vibration sensors used to trigger explosives in the basements? Where the hell did THAT come from?
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Christophera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 11:05 PM
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20. Yes, And Vibration Sensors Fit The Evidence, Seismic & Eyewitness
There are logical explnations, even if you do not want them known.

America needs them still.

No way a plane wacks a building 900 feet off the ground and causes a seismic wave. The building flexes too much and the direction of the energy is the going the wrong way to create the wave seismometers measure.

A series of witnesses place an explosion just after plane impact. The only one that doesn't has had his picture taken with gwb.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 11:55 PM
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21. But there are so many other possibilities and NO evidence of
"vibration sensors".

How about a proximity sensor? How about manual remote control? Even if you're dead set on explosive-coated structural supports (which there's also no evidence of), where did you come up with something like vibration sensors?
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Christophera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-05 01:02 AM
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23. I Notice You Mention None = You Have No Evidence Of ALT. Possibility
You just don't like the one I've reasoned fits the evidence.

I gues you haven't read my page.

http://algoxy.com/psych/9-11scenario.html

Remote is out. It doesn't make sense. See my page, I address it in a fully comprehensive way.

Proximity sensor? What 4 of them every 100 feet up and down the building faces. Gimme a break.

One vibration sensor properly set will do the job no matter which way the plane is coming.

The entire event of free fall and pulverization with the Twin Towers IS EVIDENCE for completely encapsulated and optimally contained high explosive detonations, initiating in a high speed sequence. Nobody has ever come up with a more feasable way to turn the concrete core into sand and gravel and bring the towers down at free fall. They've tried but its all pretty pitiful.

Placement and distribution factors make it basically impossible to get the effect we saw without encapsulating the high explosive in concrete.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-05 01:28 AM
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24. Whatever...
Saying that something is "evidence" because it fits your pet theory doesn't make it so. YOU claim that encapsulated explosives were the only way. There have been plenty of degreed professionals who don't seem to hold this view.

That's the basis of most of the CTs I've seen...using partial evidence and the inexpert opinions of others to create a theory which has no real basis in fact. The internet is a great way of gathering and disseminating information, but quite a bit of it is of dubious validity.
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Christophera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-05 02:29 AM
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25. True Explanations Fit Evidence: Where Are Your Degreed Professionals?
Edited on Tue Aug-16-05 02:30 AM by Christophera
Where are they and what do they say about hundreds of thousands of cubic yards of concrete turning into sand and gravel?



because that is what happened.

See my page for the full size image where you can see the gravel. A material that is not supposed to exist in the towers above ground level.

http://algoxy.com/psych/9-11scenario.html

I've never heard a credible expert explain the identically towers arching fountains of pulverized concrete hundreds of feet into space.



and the analysis of the dust in and around the WTC indicated large amounts of iron thermally bonded to silicates, an event that is quite difficult to create without high explosives. The fact that silicates and iron are combined that way to measurable degrees indicates that the high explosive, the silicates and the iron were all in close proximity.

More rational use of evidence supporting the scenario of towers built to demolish.

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philb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-05 12:37 AM
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22. All of the firemen in WTC reported explosions/blasts affected lobby
lobbies devastated & also some also report other explosions

see the firemen oral history thread
or
http://www.flcv.com/firemen.html


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