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darth marth Donating Member (170 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 10:27 AM
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Gates Foundation partner forces vaccines on Malawian children at gunpoint, arrests parents
According to a recent report in the Malawi Voice, at least 131 Malawian children were vaccinated this week at gunpoint after having previously fled the country with their parents to avoid the mandatory jabs.

Reports indicate that a number of children and their parents belonging to Zion and Atumwi Churches fled the southeast African country of Malawi to neighboring Mozambique a few months ago in order to avoid a measles vaccine campaign.

Upon recently returning, officials apparently learned of the unvaccinated children's whereabouts and, with the help of Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation allies, forcibly injected them at gunpoint with the vaccines.

"We were alerted that some children who were hiding in Mozambique were back in the country and we asked police to escort the health officials in order to vaccinate them, and we have managed to vaccinate about 131 children," said Dr. Medison Matchaya, District Health Officer in Nsanje, Malawi, to the Malawi Voice.

http://www.naturalnews.com/033119_vaccinations_gunpoint...



Do people support this? I have been growing concerned with the new effort to make the left the vaccine Nazis, supporting the mandatory vaccination of children.

I don't care how you feel, how strongly you feel...but since when is it okay to force others to do what you want?

I thought we were for freedom?

Pro-choice?


How does this fit into a free society?
(Australia) Immunise or lose benefits, parents told
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-11-25/immunise-or-lose-...
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 10:32 AM
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1. Why isn't Reuters covering this? nt
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 10:51 AM
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4. Because Reuters didn't feel the spin by the Malawi Voice was justified?
Note the quote from the health official doesn't say 'at gunpoint'; it says they had a police escort.

And the parents concerned weren't arrested (Natural News made that bit up, for their headline); the man arrested and imprisoned refused the vaccine for his 3 children, and apparently locked them inside his house, and one of them died from measles. Here's the original Voice article from last year:

http://www.malawivoice.com/latest-news/131-children-vac...
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 10:57 AM
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8. Thanks for hunting up the real info!
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 10:58 AM
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Well, thanks for saying what I was sort of thinking!
I googled the supposed incident, and all I could find was flaky retransmittals of the original accusation.

If the land of Spare Babies For Madonna was doing such a thing, I should think it would be front-page news!
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 11:14 AM
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11. I did suspect it was what you were thinking
I didn't remember you as a anti-vaccine type.
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darth marth Donating Member (170 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 11:32 AM
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16. because we all know we can trust the corporate owned Reuters over a small town paper where the event
actually occured.

Long live the corporate media!
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OnTheOtherHand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 04:59 PM
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30. which "small town paper" did you have in mind?
It doesn't matter much what anyone here thinks of Reuters.
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 10:46 AM
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2. Sorry, but I'd need a better source than Natural News
Note their truly VILE comments at this link:

http://www.naturalnews.com/030903_predictions_2011.html

On the issue of freedom and liberty, I predict a surge of interest in Libertarian political philosophy from both former Democrats and former Republicans who realize that the path to prosperity and freedom is found in individual liberty and personal responsibility. I see the Tea Party suffering from disillusionment as its own elected members betray its supporters with more taxes and Big Government spending. Expect to see Ron Paul and Rand Paul do extraordinarily well in the coming years (as long as they stay on principle), and watch for a groundswell of popular support for the once-again-new idea of sensibly limited government.

Watch for a rise in the Tenth Amendment movement in America as an increasing number of Americans fight back against what they see as a dangerous expansion of the power of the federal government. With the TSA in your pants and the FDA in your greenhouse, there's no telling what part of your life Big Brother wants to control next. America was founded on the idea of limited government, and I believe we'll see a powerful, passionate movement that seeks to bring the federal government back down to its Constitutionally-mandated size (which is a fraction of its current size and scope). The Tenth Amendment, by the way, specifically reserves all rights not specifically granted to the federal government to be held by the States or the People. The Constitution, for the record, never granted the federal government the right to run a health care system, nor to give away the power to coin money to a private banking cartel, nor to inspect your backyard food production operation that you use to produce jams and jellies for the local farmers' market.


Note in particular the statements: 'The Constitution.. never granted the federal government the right to run a healthcare system.'

And more generally
(Note in particular: 'The Constitution *never granted the federal government the right to run a health care system*')

And 'the path to prosperity and freedom is found in individual liberty and personal responsibility. I see the Tea Party suffering from disillusionment as its own elected members betray its supporters with more taxes and Big Government spending. Expect to see Ron Paul and Rand Paul do extraordinarily well in the coming years (as long as they stay on principle)'


Sorry but anyone who promotes such views is not a human being; it is a poisonous snake! Such ideologies murder far more people than any terrorist organization could dream of killing. PURE EVIL! Certainly unfit for a progressive forum.

Their allegations about Bill Gates seem to be of the same sort as the teabagger myths that Obama was born in Kenya, intends to implant chips into people, and wants to set up 'FEMA death camps'.

And if anyone is about to reply that a person can be politically wicked but still accurate on the facts: note that Natural News have promoted claims that baking soda can cure cancer!


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ellenfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 10:51 AM
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3. how does this make the left the vaccine nazis? eom
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 10:51 AM
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5. If this actually happened seems questionable, but Australia took almost a similar approach
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 10:55 AM
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6. This is almost certainly a false rumour
Edited on Sat Nov-26-11 10:56 AM by LeftishBrit
What is not a false rumour, is that one child in eight in Malawi never reaches their fifth birthday, due to extreme poverty and the unavailability of food, sanitation, and basic healthcare (including but not restricted to vaccinations).

How about people worrying about THAT rather than about the supposed evil vaccinators? How about right-libertarians like those of Natural News keeping their comments the HELL out of places where governments can't or won't provide basic public services and people have personal freedom, all right: the freedom to watch their children starve to death or die of preventable diseases?

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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 10:56 AM
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7. I think kids should be vaccinated.
I don't think anyone should be forced to do anything at gunpoint.

This is another choice dilemma: when does the right to choose cross the line? If your choice causes harm to another? To the planet?

I can argue both sides of that one all day, but won't. Suffice it to say that there is no consensus, or clear answer, to that question.
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 11:24 AM
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13. Vax kids in the womb with a long needle, in the first two months
:popcorn:
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alphafemale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 10:57 AM
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9. "vaccine nazis"
:spray:

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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 10:58 AM
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10. Natural News REALLY
here is a true story from my years in Mexican EMS. We played a role by taking the vaccines up to the colonias for weekend clinics where kids were vaccinated for free. It was part of the national program and every three months up we went. A single EMS crew with nursing students.

This actually happened. Little one, understandably, did NOT want to get jab. He got lose from mom and ran away. So me and a cop chased after him, since RUNNING IN TRAFFIC was not a good idea... at least not to us... We ended up getting kid before he ran into the traffic on a nice dirt road.

Natural News would have spun that as WE ARRESTED the kid and forced him to take his jab. For the record, when we went through his vaccination records he was too early for the scheduled vaccines so he went home with a candy and no jab. Oh and a lecture on why it is NOT a good idea to run into traffic, set for a three year old.

But that is what Natural News does.

I guess it would have been better if we let him run in the street AND then took him to the hospital as a code trauma. :sarcasm:
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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 11:23 AM
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12. OMFG! Those evil vaccinators are at it again! Meanwhile...
the anti-vaccination crowd is OK with disease killing those "free" kids.

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darth marth Donating Member (170 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 11:26 AM
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14. why would anyone who loves Democracy, believes in freedom...be for forcing vaccines on people?
You think the government should be able to forcefully vaccinate you against your will?

They are passing laws to allow schools to force vaccines on children without their consent, vaccines like Guardasil which has killed young girls.

I just don't get that.

And yes, there is plenty of support for this on DU. I have read these comments and find it very worrisome. I though we were the free thinkers, the ones for CHOICE?
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 11:31 AM
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15. People aren't really for choice, just on one or two things (it's not the principal they are for)
If it is something they don't like (like allowing adults to have a beer and smoke together) it is ok to limit the choices.

Don't like pot, remove choice. See - it is not a valid choice when it is something you don't like.
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 11:39 AM
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17. Are you saying children should be allowed to refuse vaccines?
If so, what would you do about vaccinating babies?

Or is it that you think all parents know better than doctors what is good for children?

I don't think there's a difference between a parent telling a child they're to be vaccinated for everyone's good, and the state saying that.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 02:45 PM
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27. You really should read on PUBLIC HEALTH POLICY
and the history of vaccination. I have... the correlation of longer life and well, EEEVVVVIIIIILLLL vaccines is quite direct.

I guess you would have no problem if small pox, a horrific disease, was released back into the wild... here are some photos for you.



No, that is NOT photoshop.

How about some polio,



Again that is NOT Photoshop.

This has ZERO to do with your concept of choice or freedom. In fact when it comes to public health the needs of the many many at times overrides the wishes of the few.

And trust me medical ethicists have gone through this a few times over the last three centuries since the first vaccination campaigns were run. Oh and your arguments could come straight out from the Catholic church's arguments during the 1808-1813 Mexican Vaccination campaign carried out during the war of independence. Yes a few Bishops went there. Trust me, that is NOT company you want to be in.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 11:49 AM
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18. PUBLIC health considerations can and should outweigh the personal objections of
uneducated or misguided people. Measles epidemics can have devastating consequences.

Read up a bit on herd immunity before posting this kind of propaganda.
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darth marth Donating Member (170 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 12:09 PM
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20. GM foods, high fructose corn syrup, BPA in all canned goods, fake honey....
yes we can trust the government organizations are looking out for our common good.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 12:38 PM
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24. Please explain how those relate to public health/herd immunity.
I'll be waiting for you to figure out how to explain that apples and oranges are the same thing.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 02:47 PM
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28. you are kind that is cucumbers and oranges
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 11:52 AM
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19. naturalnews! LOL...
:rofl:

Top 10 Worst Anti-Science Websites on the 'Net:
http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4283

Guess which one is #1?

Sid
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 12:11 PM
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 12:19 PM
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22. self-delete...
Edited on Sat Nov-26-11 12:39 PM by SidDithers
personal attack is gone now.

Sid
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Vanje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 12:21 PM
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23. Unrec!
nt
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 01:11 PM
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25. Moved to where it should be. Heh.
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 01:52 PM
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26. There's still some sanity left at DU...
:hi:

Sid
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 08:46 PM
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32. that list is horribly biased
but I can see why you love it.
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 09:27 PM
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33. And I can see why you don't...nt
Sid
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zappaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-11 12:56 AM
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34. Great list
Edited on Sun Nov-27-11 12:57 AM by zappaman
Anyone who thinks it's biased, just doesn't like or understand science.
Thanks!

ETA:The Anonymous Physicist should be on that list!
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-11 09:51 PM
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40. Yes, Anonymous Physicist could easily be in that list...
but I don't think his "following" is big enough, compared to the other sites.

But we know and love him :hi:

Sid
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-11 03:12 PM
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36. there is just as much good information at those sites as any mainstream media site
and typically they highlight issues that the PTB don't want widely disseminated.
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zappaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-11 03:50 PM
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37. "there is just as much good information at those sites as any mainstream media site"
uh huh.
great info.
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-11 04:42 PM
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38. glad you agree1
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zappaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-11 06:05 PM
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39. no problem
I'm gonna get all my science news from them and the anonymous physicist from now on so I can demonstrate the same understanding of science that you do!
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zappaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-11 12:03 PM
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35. throw this one on that list
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frogmarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 03:25 PM
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29. What a lot of nonsense
Heres a less hysterical article about it:

http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=52397

But by the time police moved into Chitanje Village where *Malili comes from in mid-July, 19 people had died in the first two weeks that month alone. The Zion church had rounded up all the people who were attacked by measles and put them in a hiding place to prevent them from seeking medical care, according to police spokesman for Dowa, Kondwani Kandiado.

"We believe that some of the people would have ended up going to the hospital to seek medical care and have their children vaccinated if they were not prevented by the church leaders," said Kandiado.


Police raided the village and arrested the leader of the church, Bishop Lumbani Amos and three other church elders. They face long prison sentences. Kandiado explained that the four have been charged with child neglect under Section 165 of the Penal Code.



"Twelve church members, including the bishops own son, died while in hiding. We managed to rescue seven people from the hiding site and took them to hospital where they received medical attention," said Kandiado.


*James Malili is the name of a villager quoted earlier in the article as saying that he and other Zion church members depend on divine intervention to prevent disease, not vaccines.

The article states that more than 52,000 people in Malawi have come down with measles since last January, and that around 166 have died.
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 05:39 PM
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31. Natural fuckin' News. nt
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