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sce56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-11 08:27 PM
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CIA Asset Susan Lindauer.. Can Now Speaks 10 years after 2001-9-11
Susan Lindauer CIA whistle blower reveals everything she knows on the dirt. $13Million payoff!
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napoleon_in_rags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-11 10:32 PM
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1. Vanished from latest page! Moved to 9/11 dungeon, link to video here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxJTwbHdH6k

I watched that. I just gotta say, she seems pretty lucid for a crazy person, which is how wikipedia describes her:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Lindauer
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 12:19 AM
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3. Crazy people aren't lucid?
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AlwaysQuestion Donating Member (412 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 08:21 PM
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6. Oh dear, I'm here to help
"napoleon..." knows the meaning of "lucid" and you can, too, jberryhill, if you will just hie yourself to the nearest dictionary.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 08:33 AM
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11. There are astoundingly crazy folks who come across as perfectly well spoken
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 11:54 PM
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16. Government sure took her seriously -- !!!
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-11 11:02 PM
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2. DU is in denial of anyone being a CIA "asset" unless CIA confirms it -- !! ROFL
I've posted this video recently -- think she's terrific --

and what she's saying is that we pretty much had a settlement with Iraq

worked out -- huge business deals - they were going to buy 1 million cars from

us every year -- plus many other deals. Everyone would win!

Except the MIC!


We have to end this national security state -- MIC has had murderous control over

US since end of WWII -- !!

And besides that they seem to be clinically psychotic!!

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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 04:27 PM
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4. She is court certified crazy
A former journalist and Congressional aide accused of working with Iraqi intelligence before the war was released from prison yesterday after a federal judge ruled that she could not be forced to take antipsychotic medication in an effort to make her competent to stand trial.

The judge, Michael Mukasey of Federal District Court in Manhattan, said he was not convinced that even if she took the medication, the defendant, Susan P. Lindauer, 43, would improve enough to be capable of standing trial.

At least a half dozen doctors for both the defense and the prosecution have found that Ms. Lindauer suffers from delusions of grandeur and paranoia, which makes her incompetent to stand trial, the judge said. But she refuses to accept the diagnosis or to take medication, he said. One doctor found that Ms. Lindauer had a history of psychotic episodes going back to her childhood, possibly at the age of 7, the judge said. These include her contention that she had gifts of prophecy that allowed her to report 11 bombings before they happened, that she spoke with divine inspiration and that she was an angel.

Among her paranoid delusions, doctors said, were the notion that she was being watched by hidden cameras in her apartment, that the Egyptian government had tried to assassinate her and that men next door had videotaped her under instructions from President Bill Clinton.


http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/09/nyregion/09spy.html
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AlwaysQuestion Donating Member (412 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 08:18 PM
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5. Listen up, guys, the New York Times has spoken
Needless to say, whatever is written in the New York Times must be the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Oh, boys and girls, we don't believe that, do we? We do?--even given all the heresay said article is steeped in? Well, then, let's have a bit of sport with Ms. Landauer by stoning her off the political stage. And who here will be taking the first shot?

But, folks, if you actually subscribe to the MIHOP/LIHOP (as I do), your initial reaction to the NYT article will probably be "Yeah, more crap from the bought media." Well, maybe not you. But it was my gut reaction. And then I thought, am I smelling a rat here? Possibly.

What if the game is to confound and confoose us all by planting stories of varying degrees of veracity that we naysayers can chase after, amuse ourselves with, and be wrong about. Because our distrust of government is fast becoming legendary we may support her story only to be shown later that we got it all wrong. The NYT story was true all along. The government retorts, "See"? "Ya got that one wrong and you sure as hell have 911 wrong too." And to that I would say, not on your sweet Bippy!!

So what really can we take from this New York Times article? For now, not a helluva lot. I must say, though, that I'm amazed that she was able to get a degree in Economics from Smith University and a Masters from the London School of Economics. More delusions of grandeur I guess. Oh wait, she actually did achieve those two degrees. And she did hold down several political jobs until 2002 which was her last job so it is claimed. Wow! For a psychotic of sorts, she seems to be a pretty high achiever. At the very least, can we agree that she's not stupid?

The above notwithstanding, I did listen to her press conference and found that many of the things she said sounded very familiar (maybe for good reason). I also thought she laughed a tad too much; occasionally, even inappropriately; and that yes, she did appear to be a wee bit manic. But I have NO degree in psychology and drawing any conclusions based on that one tape would be sadly meaningless and totally invalid (notwithstanding that a former neighbour suspected that a 7-yr old Ms. Landauer had been a little schizophrenic). Ohmygawd--from whence was that neighbour dragged?

But I AM also entertaining the idea that she may have been unknowingly drugged by government psychologists, reprogrammed, and then let loose to tell "her story". Either way, a real sufferer of delusions of grandeur or a "made to be one", she could be in for a bumpy ride. Somehow unless the government is doing some behind the scenes manipulation which they think will aid their cause, I don't think they're going to let loose a gal with potentially incendiary information to disseminate to an already wary and suspicious populace. IMNSHO, only a fool does not at the very least suspect government of foul play. It is, afterall, their specialty.

I do NOT trust government--mine, yours, or anybody else's. I am an equal opportunity "distruster." 911 is NOT going away; if anything, interest in it continues to grow especially in light of the draconian measures the U.S. and other "offshoots" (Canada, GBritain, Australia to name a few) have in store for residents who act a little too aggressively against "the official bedtime story." The government needs to float some more balloons--needs to stir up the pot--needs to stall for more time to do whatever it is planning for next.

What I am saying is that nothing--absolutely nothing is as it may seem. What I plan to do for the time being is find out as much as I can about Ms. Landauer and see what I come up with. Notwithstanding what I find, my position about 911 remains the same. I am ever mindful that I musn't fall for government tricks because anyone with any degree of sanity is aware that government is just a treasure trove of everything foul. "Buyer" beware.

I must reiterate what I have posted elsewhere, when you have all systems fail and you have nothing but promotions as a result of those failures, there is something (decidedly) rotten in the state of Denmark.
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napoleon_in_rags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 01:33 AM
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7. Not a shrink, but I work with crazy people for a living.
And I would have to tell you that if she is mentally ill, she is really something special, in being able to stand up in front of a crowd and keep a consistent narrative like that. You mention the nervous laughing, but if we assume her story is true, we must ask what IS the base line behavior for somebody who's been through all that? The suspicious part is almost how much she has it together.

I wasn't paying attention to all of that video, but the only red flag that jumped out at me was regarding the thermite. She said something to the effect of it being something that only the pentagon could make, which is just not true. Various state actors or large companies can produce all kinds of things like that, so that was a moment where she seemed to very clearly by connecting the dots to point to inside job, which is not a trait of a trained impartial observer.

But I don't ascribe boolean truth values. What I do with this sort of thing is distill out a set of assertions consistent with her claims, like the fact that the CIA has many assets working in the US media, and label that set. If I find confirmation of a number of those assertions, I raise the probability that other assertions in that set are also true. I don't even care why - it could just be a brilliant insight from a crazy person.

And yes, something is rotten in the world today, that's for sure. :)
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AlwaysQuestion Donating Member (412 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 07:07 AM
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10. Napoleon_in_rags, you raise some interesting points....
....but I did develop a serious case of the hiccups upon reading your notation, "But I don't ascribe Boolean truth values." Hell, nor do I but probably not for the same reason. I'm just too many light years removed from the days when I used to get down and dirty with algebra. In my dreams!! The truth is I became estranged from math almost from the get-go. Let me know what conclusions you ultimately arrive at using the mathematics of probability and I'll just nod my head "knowingly." )
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napoleon_in_rags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 11:44 PM
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12. Its a lot of big words for simple ideas.
Boolean just means true of false, 1 or 0, binary, no in between. What I'm saying is that when I hear something, especially from this murky realm, you usually can't do that, say whether its true or false. So you assign numbers between 0 and 1, probabilities, with 1 being most true and zero being most false. Then you can just look at what turns out to be consistent, you don't have to worry so much about who's telling the truth and who's lying, who's a plant, etc. You just look what ideas are consistent with other observations.

In non mathy terms I'm talking about considering whole rainbow of possibilities. Maybe 9/11 is a cover up, but NOT of a government inside job, but of a way more complicated thing. Maybe this woman is a CIA asset, with delusions. The point is I think people should feel the spectrum, feel which ideas are solid, (highly probable) which are soft (somewhat uncertain) and which are liquid. (very uncertain) Then, as new ideas come into that ecosystem, you look at which ideas are frozen by the new info, which ideas are melted by the new info, and to what extent. It really takes no math, but it does take changing how we look at things sometimes.

Peace
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 11:53 PM
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15. Re the thermite ... she probably should have said "military" rather than Pentagon ....
the actual ID of the thermite is what the military uses --

Now granted, I'm sure Cheney could have gotten his hands on it --

and certainly so could Blackwater. Maybe others?

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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 05:58 AM
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9. 911 "truth" has gone away
how else do you describe a tiny minority occupying a tiny corner of the internet churning the same tired old "evidence"?. There hasn't been any new evidence in years.

And if what you are saying is true, where is the public discussion of 911? Why is 911 invisible except for obscure websites?
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ryan_cats Donating Member (745 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-11 05:10 PM
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13. She seemed reasonably sane to me (all of us do)
She seemed reasonably sane to me (all of us do).

I wouldn't put it past our gov to does her with some LSD. If you've never taken it and someone slips it to you, you're going to be having some serious problems. For all we know, they slipped her various dosages over time. You can't give someone LSD every day, tolerance builds rapidly from the first fry. Say you had an awesome trip and want to do it again the next day. If you took say a 4-way hit of windowpane the first day, you could take three and you would never get to where you were the first day.

So, they probably adjusted her dosage schedule so she thought she was getting more and more Schizophrenic. Sounds paranoid but honestly, would anyone put it past elements of our government?
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Make7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 03:40 AM
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8. It would be interesting to hear the recordings of the phone calls...
... that she made to the offices of Senator McCain and Senator Lott. What exactly were the revelations that caused the government to bring charges against her?
 
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court jester Donating Member (232 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 02:52 AM
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14. this is a great video thx for posting
Some call her crazy. Almost everyone knows that smearing truth tellers never happens.

If 99% of the world has gone insane, the 1% would indeed appear "crazy".

"History shows that the people who end up changing the world the great political, social, scientific, technological, artistic, even sports revolutionaries are always nuts... until they're right... and then they're geniuses."

John Eliot, PH.D.
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