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frogmarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 10:18 PM
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UFO Ė Disclosure Conference (video)
Edited on Tue Nov-08-11 10:19 PM by frogmarch
Disclosure Conference, National Press Club, 2010, in which former U.S. Air Force officers discuss UFO sightings

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=... !

Iím not convinced any UFOs are alien crafts, but I think some UFO reports are worthy of serious investigation. If not alien crafts, what are they? There are probably almost as many possibilities as there are sightings.

On a scale from 0-10 with 0 indicating total disbelief that ETs are visiting Earth, and 10 indicating total belief that they are, on some days my belief in the possibility that ET is visiting Earth is between 0 and 1, and on other days itís at around 2. Today I guess Iím between 1 and 2.

Regardless of being skeptical of an ET/UFO connection, I found the video fascinating, especially in light of the White House's recent announcement regarding UFOs.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-11 12:02 AM
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1. Think they have a major problem in not getting current news out to public ---
if they want to charge admission and not show even their latest meetings then

I think they'll have less interest shown in this very important subject --


As far as alien life visiting the planet, it's obvious the UFO's are intelligently

controlled --

I've never seen one -- always hoped to see one in a crowd of 10,000 people -- like on

the Garden State Parkway one summer night!


A long history of this activity --- and a secret which commands higher security classification

than Pres. Carter had!!



:evilgrin:






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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-11 08:41 PM
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5. You know, that's the part that has always bothered me ... clandestine
seemingly omnipotent operations chugging along with apparently no oversight ... that even the president is not privy as to what they are doing ... weird, very weird IMO.

I watched "Out of the Blue" again tonight. IMO it's very difficult to watch that and not walk alway wondering WTF is going on ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYPCKIL7oVw

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 12:32 AM
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7. Thanks for the link to "Out of the Blue" -- been a while since I've watched it ....
and think I'll take a look at it tomorrow --

Somewhere on the internet there is also a report by Walter Cronkite -- think it was a

interview -- just came upon it at one point -- but he's also talking about watching a

rocket launching and seeing a UFO come in and fly around the rocket and shooting beams

as if checking the rocket.

There was a very noisy battle between JFK and Werner Von Braun who wanted to use nuclear

fuel for the rockets. JFK was against it -- he was also for joint efforts with Russians.

JFK knew what he was doing -- and evidently his dealings with Von Braun made him

suspicious -- and perhaps led him to info re Dulles' "Operation Paperclip" -- ???


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frogmarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-11 10:55 AM
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2. The speakers in the video
Edited on Wed Nov-09-11 11:01 AM by frogmarch
waste no time jumping to the conclusion that the reported objects were alien crafts, and that these ďcraftsĒ caused the missile shutdowns. The speakers then go on to assume that the purpose of aliensí interference at these missile sites was to send a message to Earthlings that the aliens didnít like nuclear weapons. Thereís a whole lot of jumping to conclusions going on in the video.

In an email I received from John Shirley, whose blog The Skeptical Believer I linked to in my last OP, he said that the trouble with UFO investigations is that the people who purport to investigate UFOs are either Believers or Debunkers, and both have agendas. He told me about a new magazine called The Serious New Ufology Magazine, whose aim is to examine the UFO phenomena objectively, using a scientific approach:

http://www.ufoinstitute.org /

I read the founding paper, and I understood it, but reading it made my head hurt.

Iíve never seen a UFO either Ė well, not anything Iíd call a UFO anyway. I once saw several strange colored lights at dusk one evening in the early 1970s that appeared to be playing leapfrog with one another over a uranium mine in Wyoming, but I suspect the lights were of chemical origin. Then, one afternoon in the mid 1980s I saw what I guess was ball lightning. Whatever it was, it was smack dab in the middle of an old two-lane highway in the South Dakota boonies. The thing was bluish white and glowing. It was about the size of a small watermelon and shaped liked one too. It bobbed around in circles a little, then skittered off down the highway about 20 feet or so, then POOF, vanished. Actually, it didnít make any noise, including POOF, but it did vanish abruptly.

Itís sometimes hard for people to think rationally when they see something that startles, amazes or frightens them. One dark night many years ago when I was in college, I was ironing a skirt with the window blinds open Ė and I saw a wild-haired man watching me through the window. His face was terrifying to look at, and I was petrified. It took me almost a whole minute to realize that the face I was seeing was Beethovenís, and that I was seeing a reflection of his face on the Beethoven sweatshirt I was wearing.

You have to get up pretty early in the morning to pull one over on me. But not always. :-)

EDITED to say I didn't mean to reply to my OP, but to defendandprotect.
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-11 08:52 PM
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6. I saw something once that I attributed to ball lightening, have no idea. A friend of
mine and I were walking into a building one night on a clear night and something in the shape of a greenish ball suddenly appeared, maybe about 1,000 up up (just guessing) and moved in a quick "J" shaped pattern.

We saw it both at about the same time, looked at each other and said WTF was that. I attributed it to ball lighting ... but on a clear night. Anyway, that was years ago, but I still wonder sometimes what it really was. It only lasted about 10 seconds.

Now, I might think it was someone with a laser, but that was before lasers were available to the general public.

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 12:52 AM
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8. Well, I really don't agree that anyone "jumps to conclusions" because ....
Edited on Sat Nov-12-11 12:53 AM by defendandprotect
there have been so many of these incidents --

Enough incidents where it becomes obvious that they do shut down the missiles.

Whether that's a power play with the military or whether they are checking for something

is impossible to say. But they do seem to have spent some time checking out rocket

launchings looking for something -- they come in -- buzz them -- fire beams at them --

and then disappear.

Again -- they may be looking for NUCLEAR stuff that some want to take into space.

Begins with Werner Von Braun wanting to use nuclear fuel for rocketes -- JFK strongly

opposed!

But a few reports seem to suggest that has been the struggle -- for whatever purpose,

US is trying to get nuclear assets of some kind into space.



Additionally, those who study what some think is past interference in about every aspect

of human existence seems to be suggesting that along the way, aliens may have introduced

us to atomic weapons? Or at least been playing around with them on this planet?

Would be impossible, imo, to be totally bias free re UFO's -- everyone will have an opinion

pro or con -- though I think simple honesty is the best approach. We don't always have that

on the de-bunking side. Obviously, if anyone has evidence as to all of this it will be the

government. And governmengt is dedicated to "Operation Mockingbird" debunking on this issue.

And have been for decades!


As we can see from your report re "Betthoven" it may take a few minutes, but when it is nothing

we generally figure it out pretty quickly. Obviously, most of us know what planes and

helicopters look like -- blimps, etal.

Otoh, something like the experience of Betty and Barney Hill amazes me in that Betty had such

presence of mind to ask them where they were from!

Many abductees also seem to be walking around with implants in their bodies. And finding

generational links with the families and abductions.

Think the researchers have gotten out a hell of a lot of information despite government efforts

to ridicule the info and interest.


Good to see less interference here with posts -- and a continual renewal of interest in all

of these subjects -- and trust that will continue on both counts!



:hi:





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frogmarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-11 02:45 PM
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3. On the other hand
in this video from a Larry King Live show, thereís a segment in which Bob Jacobs, who was the officer in charge of optical installation at Vandenberg AFB between 1963 and 1966, tells of film footage he took of an object coming up to and shooting beams of light at an Atlas missile going 8,000 mph.

Thereís footage of the three stages of the Atlas flight, and also a clip showing the object shooting beams at the missile, but I donít know if the clip of the object shooting light beams is part of the original film footage, or a graphic. There is original footage of the object shooting light beams at the Atlas, but it may have been confiscated by the Air Force.

Regardless of whether the footage of the object shooting light beams that's shown on LKL is real or a graphic, the incident as described by Jacobs is remarkable, and one more reason why I donít totally pooh-pooh the idea of ETs visiting Earth. I don't know if a charged plasma ball or any other known natural phenomena would behave in the way the object did.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIYpdBJxxdI&eurl=http%3A...
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frogmarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-11 04:01 PM
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4. Talking to myself again, lol
Edited on Wed Nov-09-11 04:11 PM by frogmarch
Here's a followup to the above video of Bob Jacobs describing the object shooting light beams at the missile:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsI1fmOsbt0&feature=play... !

In this video Bill Nye the Science Guy and Bob Jacobs go around a bit.

(Bob Jacobs was officer in charge of optical instrumentation, not optical installation. as I'd stated in the pervious post.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 12:55 AM
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9. This may have been an event which Walter Cronkite also witnessed?
Evidently Cronkite was also in intelligence in the military --

and I think they were soon after them in civilian life -- especially to

put them into broadcasting.

But somewhere on internet Cronkite tells this story -- may have been same incident?
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 01:04 AM
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10. We need more info to be available from the Disclosure project -- they're not getting enough
Edited on Sat Nov-12-11 01:06 AM by defendandprotect
info out to the public --

Will we be able to see their latest meeting -- 2011???

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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 12:09 AM
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12. Can the aliens connect to the Internet?

I wouldn't think it would be difficult for them.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-11 01:35 AM
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11. When do we get to see the 2011 video?
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