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Ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 12:22 PM
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UFO found on ocean floor?
An ocean exploration team led by Swedish researcher Peter Lindberg has found what some are suggesting is a crashed flying saucer.
Lindberg's team, which has had success in the past recovering sunken ships and cargo, was using sonar to look for the century-old wreck of a ship that went down carrying several cases of a super-rare champagne. Instead, the team discovered what it claims is a mysterious round object that might (or might not) be extraterrestrial.

Read more, video in link...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43945692/?GT1=43001
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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 10:22 PM
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1. I read about this last week. It sounds pretty interesting, I'm going to follow it
Edited on Wed Aug-03-11 10:23 PM by Ghost in the Machine
as much as I can. Stories like these fascinate me. As an atheist, I'm a firm believer that this planet was discovered and populated by beings from another planet for some reason or another: they could have been overcrowded and running out of resources, or could have been facing some threat of nuclear annihilation or something like that. The whole magic sky fairy story just doesn't cut it with me.

**Slips into flame-retardant suit**


Peace,

Ghost

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OnTheOtherHand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 08:33 AM
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2. I don't quite follow the argument
Postulating that Earth "was discovered and populated by beings from another planet" seems very close to a "magic sky fairy story" to me. How was that planet populated?

I suppose you think that there is strong evidence that this planet in particular was colonized (or whatever). Yes?
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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 09:58 AM
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21. "I don't quite follow the argument" - That doesn't surprise me at all....
"Postulating that Earth "was discovered and populated by beings from another planet" seems very close to a "magic sky fairy story" to me."

Yeah, because scientists carrying out an experiment on a new planet, placing plants, insects and other forms of life in different areas of the planet, then watching how they grow, change and adapt (hint: evolve) to their new climate, atmosphere, surroundings, which ever you wish to call it, sounds very close to some invisible guy snapping his fingers and saying let there be light, let there be water, let there be animals or blowing onto a pile of dirt in his hand and turning it into a man.... You never fail to entertain me, thanks for not letting me down :-)


"How was that planet populated?"

Let's wait until you grasp this one before we go any further, ok?


"I suppose you think that there is strong evidence that this planet in particular was colonized (or whatever). Yes?"

Yes, we're here aren't we?

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OnTheOtherHand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 11:26 AM
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24. grunt
Yo, if you have some basis for your opinion, why on earth don't you state it, instead of teeing off on me?

I thought you were much better than that. Or maybe I just have too short a memory.

There isn't much difference between postulating "some invisible guy" and postulating "scientists." It's an intelligent design argument either way -- well, maybe not much of an "argument" at this point. Anyone is bound to wonder: if you appeal to alien scientists to explain life here, then how would you explain the alien scientists?
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emcguffie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-11 11:28 AM
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26. Good for you. N/t
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zappaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 10:41 AM
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3. You left out evolution as an option.
It's either God or aliens, eh?
Magic sky fairies or alien sky fairies?
Still blows my mind that in 2011, there are people who ignore evolution.
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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 10:01 AM
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22. See post 21.... n/t
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 01:15 AM
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10. It would be more interesting if someone funded them to pull this thing up --
otherwise, I think we're going to see it "disappeared" -- !!

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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 10:03 AM
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23. Agreed, I'd love to know what it is, no matter what it is.. n/t
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 11:32 AM
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25. I'm sure they agree with you

There might be one buried in my backyard.

If you send me some money, I'll go dig it up and look.
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libguy_6731 Donating Member (50 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 02:46 AM
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15. good post
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 03:31 AM
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16. misplaced
Edited on Sun Aug-07-11 03:32 AM by defendandprotect

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Ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 11:55 PM
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4. Here's a pic:
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zappaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 11:49 AM
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5. It's a circle, so it must be alien.
Why does everyone think alien spacecraft would be a disc?
How come we don't use a flying saucer to go into space?
Wouldn't have any thing to do with science fiction, would it?
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Ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 12:50 PM
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6. Because our ancestors for 1,000's of years have reported seeing flying disks
Science fiction copied from this, and especially Rosewell (1947). Most of those cheesy sci-fi movies came out in the 50's.

As for why we don't use one, the US Air Force has already tried that, mostly in the 50's and 60's. Never got off the ground much.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 01:20 AM
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11. Don't know what 1950's movies you're thinking of -- but ...
"The Day the Earth Stood Still" certainly offered more than entertainment!

Presume you're saying that science fiction copied from Roswell -- and not the

otherway around?

Area 51 seems to be the place where all of this stuff is kept -- plus the attempts

to get one of these things flying. Obviously, at the speeds they travel, no human

would be able to take the "ride." The larger ones, perhaps?

Last night, "Ancient Aliens" on History Channel went into its new season --

and reaffirmed that Area 51 also seems to be where experiments might be being carried

out on ETs --

though some who have worked on some of this stuff elsewhere say that they have worked

with ET's to try to understand the way this stuff operates.


Thanks for the info!

:hi:
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zappaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 12:02 PM
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12. oh my
:rofl:
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 10:17 PM
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14. Just when you thought it couldn't get any better...
:rofl:

Sid
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Adsos Letter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 01:06 PM
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13. Why does anyone even think that aliens would appear in any way
even remotely recognizable by us? It seems like it's always something that represents either an extremely advanced form of humanly comprehensible technology, or some type of vaguely (or not so vaguely) form of alien "life" with arms, legs, eyes, mouths, etc.

If alien life is out there why should we expect it to assume any form comprehensible to us? :shrug:

I'm not expressing this well; I hope you get the drift of what I'm saying.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 03:35 AM
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17. Agree -- but looks more like they destroyed their own planet ....
Evidently, they said they are the guards of the universe --

and the people heard "gods" --

But presumably we are hybrids --

and they might have been here even before 375,000 years ago --


Was dismayed at one point to see that the astronauts used to refer to

them as the "Heinz57" -- given at that point they seem to have known of

56 different species of aliens.


However, what I've read more recently is that they possibly are aware

of more than 350 different species!


Right now, however, the urgent problem is Global Warming -- and likely

too late --

except for shutting down the nuclear reactors and getting ahold of the

nuclear weapons all over the world!!
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zappaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 11:42 AM
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19. this just gets better with every post n/t
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Iggo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 09:56 AM
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20. Aliens with English accents!
Yes!
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-11 05:26 PM
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30. Yep, +1, n/t
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frogmarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-11 11:36 PM
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31. Or maybe...
http://www.space.com/6978-aliens.html

snip:

But is there reason to think that actual aliens, from a star system a thousand light-years away, would be similar in appearance to the evolved apes that we now call Homo sapiens? Some scientists, such as Cambridge University paleontologist Simon Conway Morris, think there is. After all, theres a phenomenon in nature known as convergent evolution. Its the tendency of evolutionary processes to find similar solutions to any given environmental challenge. For instance, if youre a predator whose existence depends on catching lunch day after day, you probably have two eyes with overlapping fields of view. Stereo vision is a real plus for pouncing on prey.

Similarly, for marine creatures that have a need for speed, the laws of hydrodynamics favor being long, thin, and oh-so-streamlined. Convergent evolution has ensured that barracudas are shaped like dolphins, even though the former are fish and the latter are mammals. Being built like a torpedo just works better.

This mechanism is often invoked by sci-fi writers as a convenient explanation for why so many of their alien protagonists resemble earthlings brushed with battery acid. (Even the language convergent evolution - which is so ponderously Latinate, bespeaks academic merit and scientific plausibility.)

As a consequence, its possible that a hominid shape is the best body plan for sentient beings on any world, and no doubt Tinseltown would be pleased to learn that its rubber-suit aliens are good approximations to the real thing.


The other night I heard a scientist (I don't recall his name, Maybe it was Simon Conway Morris ) on TV say that not only are appendages great for locomotion, but having a nervous system culminating in some kind of brain is a good idea too, even if the brain is just a bulblike swelling - and having a head to house the brain is a pretty good plan as well. Many unrelated (well, okay, distantly related, since we may have all evolved from the same strain of bacteria) animals on Earth have all of these characteristics. I don't think it's implausible to think that some aliens might have these characteristics too. That's not to say they'd look like any animal on Earth, but they could still be recognizable as living beings.


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jakeXT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 05:39 AM
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18. Never let a Wookie fly your space ship
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William Seger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 02:04 PM
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7. Sunken UFO smells fishy
> Instead, the team discovered what it claims is a mysterious round object that might (or might not) be extraterrestrial.

It also might (or might not) be something worth much more than the champagne they were searching for. It doesn't make sense that they'd publish the pic without investigating a little more -- not even one or two more scans?
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OnTheOtherHand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 02:27 PM
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8. not to be cynical...
but I wouldn't be surprised if it is worth more to them this way than if they had taken one or two more scans at the time.

(To be fair, I don't know anything about their operation, so I can't assess their motives.)
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William Seger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 08:56 PM
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9. Well, it seems they are soliciting donations on their site
Edited on Fri Aug-05-11 08:59 PM by William Seger
... and selling a $29 t-shirt (!) with the "UFO" on it: http://oceanexplorer.se/index.html

(Edit: Actually it's a polo shirt. http://oceanexplorer.se/store.html )
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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-11 05:22 AM
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27. Great news, someone found my spaceship
Back in 1977 I lost it during a keg party on the beach.

Please let me know where I can pick it up.
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William Seger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-11 05:39 AM
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28. Sorry, that information will cost you at least $15,000
http://oceanexplorer.se/index.html
Tickets for the submarine expeditions to the the disc anomaly, "The Baltic Discovery", will be sold to the highest bidders but will be fixed to a minimum price in the vicinity of $ 15 000.-. Ocean X Team together with Silvercrest Submarines and some event agents are at the moment working with the details to make it possible to go down with the submarine.



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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 05:29 AM
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32. PT Barnum knew what he was talking about nt
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-11 07:02 AM
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29. Wouldn't that be more like an Unidentified Sinking Object?...nt
Sid
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