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taterguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-11 10:34 AM
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Question: Were the bodies of any Japanese pilots recovered after the Pearl Harbor attack?
If not, how are we so sure that it wasn't German pilots flying planes in Japanese markings?

The Germans had a history of doing that sort of thing. They painted tanks with Polish insignia to justify their invasion of that country.

Hitler knew that as a practical matter he was already at war with the United States and that his only chance was to neutralize the U.S. before they could re-arm. Unlike Japan, Germany had already exchanged fire with the U.S. when a U-boat was attacked by an American destroyer.

The U.S. navy was frantically building ships and Hitler knew his U-boats only had a few months where they could safely attack U.S. shipping. (Attacks off the East Coast stopped seven months after Pearl Harbor).

So why are we so smug in our denunciation of Blutarsky?

Isn't there a possibility that he was right all along?

Why say you?
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HopeHoops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-11 10:41 AM
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1. If I remember correctly, the Zero's range was pretty much Japan to Hawaii.
It was a suicide run from the beginning because they couldn't have returned without running out of fuel shortly into the rebound side of the trip.

I'm pretty sure Germany didn't have anything that small with a range much greater than that either.

As for Bluto - "LET'S DO IT!!!!!"

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taterguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-11 10:55 AM
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5. Fine. German pilots flying Japanese planes
American pilots flew Spitfires and Hurricanes before 7 December 1941.

Happy now?
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HopeHoops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-11 11:01 AM
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6. No! I won't be happy until every pilot, Japanese or German, who died at Pearl Harbor is dead.
Okay. I'm happy now.

Wait. I probably won't be REALLY happy until my wife gets home from karate, we make cold drinks, crank up some classic rock on the outside speakers and head out to work in the garden - beautiful day, 78ish and sunny with a nice breeze. THEN I'll be happy. Whoa - sounds like my wife's back. EOM.

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taterguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-11 12:18 PM
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23. So you're admitting that there were German pilots at Pearl Harbor
That's progress.
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HopeHoops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-11 08:05 AM
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35. Cute.
:rofl:

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taterguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-11 08:23 AM
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36. The greatest cover-up of all-time is not cute
We're dealing with some serious shit here.
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HopeHoops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-11 08:47 AM
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37. "greatest cover-up"? Whoa - that's "move thread to 9-11 forum" talk.
Speaking of which, 9-11 would easily be a greater cover-up.

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taterguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-11 09:25 AM
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38. How many died because of 9-11? About 15K tops if you count the following wars
We lost 416,000 in World War II.

Perspective my friend, perspective.
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HopeHoops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-11 10:06 AM
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39. Well we were destined to get into it anyway, but I see your point.
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taterguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-11 10:58 AM
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40. War was inevitable but the timing had a vast influence on how it was fought and our casualties
The German U-boat offensive during the first six months of the war killed 3,000 sailors. Those losses would have been negligible if we had enough time to build anti-sub ships. It also deprived us of oil which changed the way the Pacific War was fought.

If we had enough oil we would have used overwhelming superiority and the Japanese would have just abandoned most of the islands where we lost so much blood.

In the European war we lost over 50,000 airmen, most of those because we sent bombers in before we developed long-range fighters.

Please don't bring up the fact that if we delayed our entry into World War II, Hitler would have had enough time to fully deploy his technological advances like the V-2 missiles and Me-262 jet fighters.

That blows my whole argument to shit.
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HopeHoops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 07:43 AM
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41. Um. I think you already brought it up.
:evilgrin:
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taterguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-11 05:30 AM
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42. Don't you have anything better to do?
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-11 11:10 AM
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12. Uh, no.
They were carrier launched

At the time of the Pearl Harbor 420 Zeros were active in the Pacific. The carrier-borne Model 21 was the type encountered by the Americans. Its tremendous range of over 2,600 km (1,600 mi) allowed it to range further from its carrier than expected, appearing over distant battlefronts and giving Allied commanders the impression that there were several times as many Zeros as actually existed.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_A6M_Zero

:hi:
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HopeHoops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-11 08:01 AM
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33. Well, that's why I qualified it - didn't look it up, just remember hearing that - Mitsubishi?
I wouldn't even have thought to search for that and "zero" just seemed like a nebulous search waiting to happen.

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William Seger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-11 11:24 AM
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14. No, they launched from 6 aircraft carriers
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_on_Pearl_Harbor

The base was attacked by 353 Japanese fighters, bombers and torpedo planes in two waves, launched from six aircraft carriers.<10> Four U.S. Navy battleships were sunk (two of which were raised and returned to service later in the war) and the four others present were damaged. The Japanese also sank or damaged three cruisers, three destroyers, an anti-aircraft training ship, and one minelayer. 188 U.S. aircraft were destroyed; 2,402 men were killed<12> and 1,282 wounded. The power station, shipyard, maintenance, and fuel and torpedo storage facilities, as well as the submarine piers and headquarters building (also home of the intelligence section) were not attacked. Japanese losses were light: 29 aircraft and five midget submarines lost, and 65 servicemen killed or wounded. One Japanese sailor was captured.


As for the OP, words fail me.
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HopeHoops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-11 08:03 AM
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34. I honestly had no memory of aircraft carriers being involved in that.
It's been a while since I read anything about WW-II history - like probably the mid 80's.
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-11 04:21 PM
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26. deleted
Edited on Sat Jun-04-11 04:22 PM by Codeine
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-11 10:43 AM
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2. If this is a serious question
my response would be that there were Japanese casualties at Pearl Harbor plus the Japanese have never tried to deny it.
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taterguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-11 10:54 AM
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4. Where are the bodies?
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-11 11:02 AM
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7. Buried in Senator Blutarsky's basement.
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HopeHoops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-11 11:05 AM
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10. White House basement - didn't you ever watch the "documentary" in the special features?
They catch up with everyone many years down the road. Belushi didn't make a cameo, well, he was long dead so I can see why. They just showed a shot of the White House.

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taterguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-11 11:37 AM
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15. Blutarsky retired and moved to Martha's Vineyard
No basements there.
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HopeHoops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-11 11:03 AM
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8. Someone invokes a line from a National Lampoon movie and you want to know if it is serious?
:rofl:
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-11 11:04 AM
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9. Just playing along with the joke.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-11 10:46 AM
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3. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Wow.
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-11 11:05 AM
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11. This was moved to the Sept 11 forum?
Really? :rofl:
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-11 11:17 AM
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13. I say the moderator who moved this has no idea what you're talking about
having completely missed the joke.

or they would have moved this to the Lounge.

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taterguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-11 11:41 AM
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16. Lounge / September 11 Forum: Half a dozen of one, six of the other
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-11 11:46 AM
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18. .
:rofl:
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Dr. Strange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-11 12:04 PM
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20. Oh come on.
That's what THEY want you to think.
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-11 11:44 AM
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17. What makes you think things in this forum are to be taken seriously?
The concentration of jokes is probably greater here than in the Lounge.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-11 11:48 AM
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19. i think a lot of things in here shouldn't be taken seriously
however, unlike this thread, the OP isn't usually aware of that.
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chrisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 04:55 PM
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45. The best part of this thread.
lol
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petronius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-11 12:09 PM
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21. Bodies would prove nothing. At the time, remember, there were Americans of
Japanese ancestry. Accordingly, it's possible that there were Germans of similar heritage. So, a corpse with overtly Japanese physical characteristics, dressed in Japanese military garb, retrieved from the wreckage of a Japanese aircraft, would not incontrovertibly be Japanese. It could in fact be German. Or Italian. Or even Brazilian...
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taterguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-11 12:17 PM
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22. Think Hitler would trust a mission that important to folks that weren't pure German?
Are you forgetting the whole Master Race thing?
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BobbyBoring Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-11 12:51 PM
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24. Germany had no carriers
so unless they hijacked Jap carriers??????????????

They've been known to do that too!
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taterguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-11 02:33 PM
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25. Germany and Japan were allies. The Japanese would have just let the Germans use their carriers
Did the British "hijack" the American transports they used to get their troops to France?
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theNotoriousP.I.G. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-11 05:13 PM
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27. Also, I'm drunk
:toast:

from Germany with love!
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taterguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-11 05:19 PM
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28. Long time no see. How's it going?
:toast:
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-11 08:08 PM
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29. Yes.
And it's none of your business what they did with them.
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taterguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-11 08:40 PM
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30. Oh. Someone says it on the Internet. It must be true
Unless of course you have a citation.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-11 08:44 PM
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31. What internet?
I'm reading your mind.
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taterguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-11 09:10 PM
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32. .
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Old Troop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-11 08:59 PM
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43. Sorry. You're wrong.
My research proves that Mr. Churchill led the raid using RAF sleeper agents who had be surgically altered to mimic Japanese physical characteristics. Knowing what would happen, most of the pilots entered the Japanese Islands between 1919 and 1922.
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chrisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-11 04:06 PM
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44. I completely agree that the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.
However, was it over when they did it? NO!
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taterguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-11 06:30 AM
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46. Nice to see someone who knows what they're talking about
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-11 08:49 AM
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47. Yes, many of them

Their bodies were recovered aboard the Soryu, Hiryu, and the Akagi when they landed their planes and got out of them onto the decks.
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