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global1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 09:55 AM
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Cold Fusion.......
I happened to be driving home real late last night (early this a.m.) and in order to stay awake I was scanning the radio channels to find something to keep me company. I came across a program called Coast To Coast and probably in the middle or near the end of a conversation on Cold Fusion. I'm hoping someone else here on DU caught the program and can maybe direct me to the website that they were referring to on the program. It had cold fusion and dot org in its address - but I didn't catch it and commit it to memory.

At any rate - they were claiming that we might be on the verge of a breakthrough on cold fusion that could end our energy dependence on oil. They talked about some table top device that can produce energy - more energy coming out of the device than put in. They talked about scientists not believing in it at first and many are now coming to believe that the finding is real and able to be duplicated.

They talked about an upcoming demonstration later in this year - to prove that it can be done and has the potential for commercialization. They talked about the potential upheaval in the energy sector particularly oil companies that don't want to acknowledge cold fusion because it can put them out of business. They talked about the political ramifications and the squelching of anything related to cold fusion in political circles. They talked about the US Patent Office not wanting to recognize this technology. One can imagine the money in jeopady should this discovery be valid and hold up. It could upturn the world as we know it.

The conversation was fascinating and full of hope in light of the predictions of $6.00/gal gas. It also was laced with conspiracy theory and skepticism.

I am now intrigued with the topic and would like to find out if any one else here on DU listened to the program. This could be a real life changing find if it is true and it could be the savior of our planet - but it could also be fraught with cover-up, industrial espionage and danger.

I thought what a great topic for a Michael Moore to work on for his next documentary.

I'm keeping my fingers crossed that there is a lot of truth to the discussion I heard last night (actually early this a.m.) and that it could be the break-thru technology that revolutionizes the world. Think of the implications.

Now I don't want to sound like a loony tune here - but much of what I heard in this broadcast made me hopeful.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 09:58 AM
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1. Coast to Coast, also known by some as Ghost to Ghost
isn't a really great source for factual information, I'm afraid. It's more of a conspiracy theory/wackadoo kind of show, designed to capture the imaginations of insomniacs.
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 10:00 AM
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2. AFAIK Coast to Coast features a lot of pseudo-science and woo.
I am skeptical of cold fusion.


--imm
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FormerDittoHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 10:00 AM
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3. What was the show called, "Coast To Coast"? Is that the one that's been on for TWENTY YEARS?
Edited on Sat Apr-23-11 10:01 AM by FormerDittoHead
I dumped that show 1/2/2000 when the world DIDN'T end.
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global1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 10:34 AM
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15. I Guess You Would Have Dumped That Show If The World Did End On 1/2/2000 As Well......
Either way you would have stopped listening to it.

I said I didn't want to sound like a looney tune here - but I guess many respondents to my original post are going to make me out to be a looney tune.

Me - I like to gather information before I draw any conclusions. I like to hear both sides of the story. What I heard last night wasn't about alien's or the end of the world or yeti's - it all sounded very reasonable and plausible. That's why I asked if anyone else heard it and maybe can direct me to the website that they talked about on the program. I'm also going to do a complete google search and read up on the topic and educate myself.

All through my life I've heard of oil companies buying up promising patents of products that can decrease our dependency on oil and burying them so that they can keep their strangle hold on the people of the world and continue their dominance through greed.

So in my mind it is plausible that if somebody came along and found something that can end the oil giants dominance - that it is likely that the powers at be would do everything in their power to discredit it.

Take global climate change for example. I think many of us perceive that something is going on globally with respect to climate - there are those that pooh-pooh it including scientists and politicians. Why? Because bottom line acknowledging it would mean that steps would have to be taken that might cost giant corporations money. Hence we come across the 'greed factor' once again.

So I'm not going to be so quick at the draw to discredit what was being said on that program that I listened to on my drive home. Not only did it keep me awake - it was thought provoking and sent me in a direction to learn more about it.

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FormerDittoHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 11:03 AM
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21. I appreciate your reply, but just listen to the show.
>Either way you would have stopped listening to it.

No. I would have kept listening to it if the show hadn't been CLEARLY, ABSOLUTELY, AND *TOTALLY* SURE THE WORLD WAS GOING TO END.

The extent of my fear about that was to stock up on water and batteries, however, how do you keep listening to someone who obviously doesn't know what they're talking about?

check out: http://www.coasttocoastam.com /

Years ago, I do remember hearing them talking about cold fusion. They had a whole show about how the "science" in the movie The Saint WAS REAL.

>I like to gather information before I draw any conclusions.

Good on you, but if you gather information from a source that doesn't give a SINGLE SHIT for truth or accuracy (and the majority of guests have some book or website subscription service), then your conclusions will likely be tainted with those LIES.

A truth seeker is only wasting their time listening to that show, and I'm trying to help you.

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global1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 11:16 AM
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25. I Guess You Missed The Sentence That Also Said ......
> I'm also going to do a complete google search and read up on the topic and educate myself.

If the world was going to end and you believed it - why would you stock up on water and batteries? Seems to me that you are more upset with yourself for believing what you heard about the world ending - than you are about listening to that show.

If you read my original post - you will see that I'm not a loyal listener to that show like you were prior to the world not ending for you. I just happened upon that discussion and thought it was a provoking topic. Now I want to find out as much about Cold Fusion I can so I can draw my own conclusions. What's wrong with that?

That's what people do when they want to learn something. The educate themselves. At least that's what I do. I'll try and find out both sides of the story. I got one side of the story as I listened to that show. Now I'm seeking more information to see what the other sides argument is.
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Riftaxe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 11:08 AM
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23. But Y2K man!
It's the end of us all!
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 10:00 AM
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4. Like the "eat all you want and lose weight" diet, this isn't something to become excited about.
Other DUers are gonna back me up on this, I think, but that late night show Coast to Coast features some pretty interesting imaginations, some junk science, some aliens probed me type topics.

In the long run, $6/gallon gas is gonna save us from ourselves.

We have to stop using fuel to provide us with energy.

Tesla said that over a hundred years ago.

It's as true now as it was then.

:patriot:
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 10:50 AM
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17. Ah, yes, my friend the solar tool speaks up.....
SOLAR TOOL SOLAR TOOL SOLAR TOOL!!!!!

:rofl:

:hi:
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Morning Dew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 10:02 AM
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5. only caught a minute of it on my way home from work. was it James Martinez?
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 10:02 AM
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6. There's a better chance that Obama will close Guantanamo than that Cold Fusion will work.
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 10:03 AM
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7. And the sun will rise in the West in the near future too.
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FormerDittoHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 10:10 AM
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9. For non-listeners - this is actually close to what you'd hear on that show...
Edited on Sat Apr-23-11 10:12 AM by FormerDittoHead
When the magnetic poles shift (before the world ends due to losing the magnetic shield), your compasses will make it appear that the sun is rising in the West!

The world ending is one of the main repeating themes of that show.
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 10:15 AM
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11. The magnetic poles shift all the time.
Edited on Sat Apr-23-11 10:16 AM by hobbit709
And repeatedly even reverse themselves.

I just love Airhead 101 thinking. :sarcasm:
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FormerDittoHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 10:34 AM
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14. You obviously don't listen to the show. Correction: reversal, not shifting.
Edited on Sat Apr-23-11 10:50 AM by FormerDittoHead
1) Did you really read my message to think that I believe in that stuff? I was critical of it. I'm not defending this stuff, I'm reporting it.

2) If you did listen to the show, you'd know that the issue has something to do with electronics failing upon a N-S reversal (not "shifting"), then the world system of economics collapsing, plunging the world into chaos, hence, the end of the world.

I know such a reversal is not predicted to be sudden. I also don't give a shit.

The point of my post was to cite a sample subject of that show to indicate the source of the OP was dubious.
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1monster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 10:26 AM
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13. The magnetic poles have shifted many many times in the Earth's history and the north magnetic
pole is currently shifting at a rate of 37 miles per year... Better argument needed.
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FormerDittoHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 10:34 AM
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16. I was citing the show. Address your negative comments to the show, not me.
Edited on Sat Apr-23-11 10:52 AM by FormerDittoHead
If you actually read my msg, you'd see I carry much disdain for that show.

You're arguing that god doesn't exist to an atheist.

Read my other msg above for more about why THEY say the world will come to an end.

For not having listened to the show in 10 years, I confused "shift" with "reverse", my bad.
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Ruby the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 10:06 AM
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8. Google up Sergio Focardi and Andrea Rossi
They seem to be making progress in this area.
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-11 04:11 PM
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31. yes, I was just reading about this yesterday-- link:
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salvorhardin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 10:12 AM
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10. From the show's website....
Edited on Sat Apr-23-11 10:12 AM by salvorhardin
Filling in for George Noory, George Knapp welcomed media ecologist James Martinez for a discussion on cold fusion in the first half. Open Lines followed for the remainder of the program.

Website(s):
http://coldfusionnow.org

Show link: http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2011/04/22
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 10:17 AM
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12. WTF is a "media ecologist"?
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 11:05 AM
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22. What exactly is a...media ecologist?
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WatsonT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 10:51 AM
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18. Cold fusion is this generations snake oil
no matter how many times we get burned (pun intended) there are always some willing to go back and throw fistfuls of dollars at the fast talking man in a nice suit.
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Hestia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 10:52 AM
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19. Didn't 60 Minutes do a program on Cold Fusion a couple of years ago, revisiting it?
The energy investors pooh-pooed it back in the 80s, really for no reason. It does have the potential to break us from Big Oil. Been awhile since I've listened to CTC, too late here, but there are some good people on there, discounting the alien probe people.
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NJCher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 10:54 AM
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20. I've listened to this program for years
First, the program does not take a position itself, so the posters above who state that it promotes the end of the world et al are wrong. This program is a forum that hosts points of view that will never be covered by more conventional media sources.

Generalization and failure to give due consideration is not surprising around here, though, as you might note that people often comment on articles they haven't even read. It goes without saying they will make generalizations about a program they don't listen to.

Second, the hosts might take their own individual positions, but they are not the positions of the show. We all know that George Noory takes a position on guns and Old Hag Syndrome, the latter of which is more or less an obsession with him.

The program's quality varies with the host. George Knapp, who hosted this segment, happens to be a very good reporter and has won major prizes for his work, including 14 Emmies and an Edward R. Murrow Award for Investigative Reporting. You can judge the quality of the message (somewhat) by the host. In this case, the program's guest and what he says would bear further investigation.

Another host, Ian Punnett, while somewhat arrogant, is a tenacious interviewer who doesn't let guests get away with outrageous claims. He is an intensive questioner. Being very bright, he is another who is worth listening to.

Unfortunately, Noory is not up to the standards of the other hosts, and Noory hosts most of the shows. C2C can be a real education, but like any other medium, one needs to be a critical listener and judge each program individually. That's requires a lot more brain work than just shrugging it off and saying that it's a loony-fringe-type show.


Cher
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Tommy_J Donating Member (668 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 11:10 AM
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24. I am convinced this is a real phenomena
Edited on Sat Apr-23-11 11:11 AM by Tommy_J
I have been monitoring reviewed technical publications for some time. This science is now very rigorous and, in my opinion, conclusive. The researchers don't call it cold fusion anymore, partly due to the stigma, but also because that is not the best description. The field now goes by LENR - Low Energy nuclear Reactions.

Even the Navy believes something is nuclear happening. They have been supporting research at their SPAWAR labs in San Diego and allowing the researchers to publish. Its fascinating.

With proper support I definitely believe this could help to solve our energy problems

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global1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 11:26 AM
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26. Thank You Tommy_J For Adding Some Credence To The Topic..........
they did mention that the U.S. Navy was involved in some of the research.

Science and technology is always evolving. I'm sure that for as many skeptics out there on this topic there are also a similar amount of proponents. I don't know yet if they are on the verge of a major breakthru - but to put ones head in the sand - as many that responded to this topic are doing - is not the way we make scientific and technological progress in this world. It requires some dedicated people to review, study, research and either confirm or refute it based on scientific method.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 12:07 PM
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27. unfortunately it serves as a magic bullet
as non-researchers there is not much we can do about it either way. But it encourages the idea in the American consumer that "I don't have to change my behaviour" I don't need to drive less. I don't need to get a more fuel efficient vehicle. I don't need to recycle or turn down the thermostat (or up in the summer) or consume less. I can continue to waste, waste, waste and not worry about limits or global warming because there are scientists somewhere who are working on a magic bullet to sustain my self-indulgent and profligate lifestyle.
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KDLarsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 06:35 PM
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28. Cold Fusion was all the rage in the late 80's
Edited on Sat Apr-23-11 06:40 PM by KDLarsen
However, it had a seriours flaw: Very, very few - if any - were able to reproduce the results. That, couple with the exposure of various flaws in the experiments really put a damper on it.

The most recent experiments on it, which is probably what the radio program was all about, sounds like a mad dash for cash. Two scientists claim to have built their own reactor which is capable of Cold Fusion, but noone is allowed to inspect it very closely, as the intention it the immediate commercializing of it.

ETA: Just realised, long time residents of the DUngeon should be familiar with one of the persons who were involved in Cold Fusion: Steven E. Jones.
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Tommy_J Donating Member (668 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 07:30 PM
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29. A couple of comments...
It's true that reproducibility problems cast great doubt on cold fusion for two decades. I believe this is no longer an issue thanks to a method called co-deposition. This essentially plates out the metal of the electrode at the same time it is loaded with deuterium. The method reduces variability from the electrode's lattice.

Regarding Steven Jones, I'm not sure why he came to be mentioned in this thread but want point out his physics work was always well regarded, even though his findings were published about the same time as Pons and Fleischmann
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Larry L. Burks Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 08:51 PM
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30. Dear global1:
You have come to the right place.

Free Energy?

The all time winner and still champion in the energy department is GRAVITY.

Cold fusion. Sure. Its true. You can have a fusion reaction with out gain or lost of energy.

Happens ever day. Its happening right now as I write.

It happens at the center of galaxies like ours. Next to the black hole. It is one of the many side effects of curved space.

Cold fusion means just that. It does not produce any heat. You need heat to produce steam.

Steam is what is used to turn a turbine. Which turns the generator that produces the electricity.

We have been talking about this here for a long time now.

This is the only thing that I talk about. Been doing it for a long time now. 50 years.

If you study the history of mans knowledge of how to form worm holes and curve space.

You will find that we have been doing this even before man was man. Long time. Here is my web page. I worked on UFO for NASA. I did research on the subject of developing the technology of worm holes curve space, and manipulate gravity.

So that some day we will be able to build a craft that can go several times the speed of light. And make it to the stars before we would die of old age.

Your so called UFO.


http://www.ufoworkshop.0catch.com /


Go read it. Come back here in five minuets and tell us what you read.

We know that the Government is all ready doing this because of what we were able to find out about 9/11. We found evidence of the many effects that only curved space can produce.

Like cold fusion. 80% of the building got vaporize in to light. That 80% part of the building never hit the ground.

The same way that object get vaporize in to light near the black hole in the center of our very own galaxies.


http://www.drjudywood.com /


Oh by the way. On CTC. The Government will let them talk about every thing that does not work.

Every time they start to talk about the things that do work.

They get kicked off the air. These are the best shows they produce.

The CTC shows that get kicked off the air. Thats the secret encoded message. The signal. The tip off. The red flashing light. To go look for stuff at this place.

They actual tell you where to look for stuff at. I cant believe it.

The stuff that the Government is hiding from the American people. Is the stuff you should be reading about.
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