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k-robjoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-10 08:58 AM
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Robert Groden
Robert Groden is being harassed and arrested because he sells DVDs about the JFK assassination.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzrTh8tUziw

Really appalling.

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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-10 09:14 AM
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1. Serious question...
Edited on Tue Dec-14-10 09:14 AM by SDuderstadt
Why do you post crap from Alex Jones and Infowars?
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zappaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-10 11:53 AM
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2. I couldn't get past the first image of swastikas on the white house
I'm sure the video is really excellent.
You posting this is what is really appalling.
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k-robjoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-10 01:46 PM
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3. Reply to both
Reply to both above.

You are just evading the issue.

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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-10 01:55 PM
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4. Dude...
Edited on Tue Dec-14-10 01:56 PM by SDuderstadt
in what way did either Jones or Groden prove their claim?

Have you ever heard of "begging the question"? Duh.

Again, why do you post crap from Jones/Infowars/PrisonPlanet?
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k-robjoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-10 02:13 PM
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5. So you believe Groden is lying?

"And, for almost nine hours on June 13, Groden sat in Lew Sterrett after DPD arrested him for selling his magazine JFK The Case for Conspiracy at Dealey Plaza without a permit -- even though the city does not offer permits to sell books, DVDs or magazines at Dealey Plaza. Groden was eventually charged with a Class C misdemeanor and released.

Today, he filed a federal suit against the city, claiming, among other things, DPD violated his First Amendment rights and falsely imprisoned him."

http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/unfairpark/2010/06/robe...

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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-10 02:20 PM
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6. Dude...
Edited on Tue Dec-14-10 02:27 PM by SDuderstadt
Pay attention. I didn't say Groden is lying. I said neither he nor Jones proved their claim. Do you understand the difference?

Tell me something. If I post something in which someone makes a self-referential claim, do you just automatically believe it?? If you don't, that's an unbelievable double standard.

P.S. in the opening paragraph of the Dallas Observer article for which you pasted a link, it says clearly that the DPD was cracking down on ALL vendors in Dealer Plaza without proper permits. How is that singling out Groden?
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k-robjoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-10 02:28 PM
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7. If you tell me
Edited on Tue Dec-14-10 02:30 PM by k-robjoe
that youve been harrassed and arrested for no good reason, then I dont take it for granted that youre full of it.

I have a strong opinion about that kind of thing, that that kind of thing should not be accepted.

And my feeling is that what Robert Groden has been going through, is behaviour from the Dallas Police that shouldnt be accepted.

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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-10 02:31 PM
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8. According to your own source...
he was in violation of the law, dude.
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tetedur Donating Member (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-10 04:06 PM
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9. Given 80 citations
and 80 have been dismissed. Ya think it's harassment?

"Mr. Groden has previously requested but has been denied a permit by the City on the stated grounds that there are no such permits. In fact, as (Assistant City Attorney Jackie Middlebrooks) acknowledged on June 18, no one has ever been issued a permit by the City to sell books, newspapers, or DVDs in Dealey Plaza. The effect of this Catch-22 established by the City is to effectively prevent the sale at the site of the assassination of President Kennedy of any publications that offer evidence of a conspiracy behind the assassination."

You'd think the DPD would have better things to do....
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-10 04:23 PM
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10. Ever been harassed by one of the...
CT vendors in Dealey Plaza? I have. Sorry, they can peddle their crap elsewhere.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-10 06:26 PM
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11. Yeah, so?

What city doesn't regulate where people can sell stuff?
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-10 07:32 PM
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12. Yeah right?
Every city regulates where newspaper boxes can be set. EH?
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tetedur Donating Member (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 09:24 AM
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14. What city
sends police to Dealy Plaza to tell a man he needs an unobtainable, non-existent permit to sell his merchandise, arrests him for a Class "C" misdemeanor, incarcerates him for 8-1/2 hours, seizes his merchandise and refuses to give it back?

Groden has and continues to comply with all city requirements. The city of Dallas should give him a permit or tell him what he has to do to get one.

It might be okay with you to let the police treat law-abiding citizens that way but I say it's wrong.


However, Groden, who goes down to Dealy Plaza every weekend, has now some publicity concerning his merchandise. I hope it spurs people to go down there in solidarity to see him. Sometimes tactics meant to intimidate backfire.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 02:01 PM
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25. Any and every city will cite vendors in areas where they don't want vendors
Edited on Wed Dec-15-10 02:02 PM by jberryhill
You don't seem to understand that it is perfectly legitimate for a city to ban vendors in particular areas.

Like any other vendor, he can get a vendor permit to sell things where that is permitted, but if the city does not issue vendor permits for Dealey Plaza, then he does not have some sort of "right" to sell stuff in Dealey Plaza. Neither does anyone else.

If you go to, say, Times Square in NYC, you'll run into the same exact thing, and police are regularly chasing street vendors out of there too. Like Times Square in NYC, Dealey Plaza is something of a tourist attraction in Dallas, and the city has every right to determine whether to allow or not allow vendors there.

He is NOT complying with all city requirements if he is engaging in vending in an area in which the city does not permit vending.

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tetedur Donating Member (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 01:38 PM
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28. Case dismissed December 16th.
His lawyer said: "Unless the City appeals, that's the end of the criminal case, and the basis for the Municipal Court's ruling indicates that no future charges, arrests, or prosecutions of Groden should occur."

The judge found that Section 50-156 of Dallas City Code "Vendors on Public Property" "It is a defense to prosecution under this section that the person selling, distributing, or offering for sale services or goods:" (8) "is selling, distributing, or offering for sale only printed matter, including, but not limited to, newspapers and magazines, and the selling, distributing, or offering for sale is not being conducted from machines or other structures on public property."

The State "proffered no legal authority to support the proposition that the application of Section 50-156 is improper." Under Section 32-10 the prohibition to sell merchandise applies in a area "under the control of a park board" and is "predicated upon the ability of an individual to obtain" a permit. But "no process or procedure is in place for obtaining a permit." "The Court has been presented with no authority indicating Dealy Plaza is a public park." If Section 32-11 of city code applies the Promulgation and Posting of Rules applies. No park regulations are posted.

http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/unfairpark/2010/12/six_...

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 02:10 AM
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13. Homeland Insecurity .... chasing down Robert Groden!!
Gary Mack is ridiculous ----

so is the TSBD/6th Museum!!

Good for Groden that he keeps trying to speak to the public in Dealey Plaza --

and also good to know that those who right wingers who pulled this off are still

frightened of those like Groden and others!

The story has basically been known since 24 hours after the assassination --

it took a lot of private investigators who were dedicated and able to bring the

story to the American public. And grateful to them all!!

Thanks for the link -- I also watched the Oswald daughters -- intelligent and

beautiful young women -- and always admired Marina Oswald for the way she carried

this burden thrust upon her.


:)

Btw, Groden has a very interesting book of photos -- in color -- of the JFK assassination -

often in libraries ... that is, if Homeland Security isn't confiscating them!!


Wow!!

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k-robjoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 09:26 AM
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15. More about Robert Groden
Edited on Wed Dec-15-10 09:29 AM by k-robjoe
"Near the end of his 9-17-09 "Black Op Radio" audio interview, (...), ROBERT GRODEN, stated that several years ago he had interviewed a woman ( who recently passed-on ) that worked as a secretary in the Texas School Book Depository on 11-22-63 . . . . According to this woman, on 11-22-63 LEE OSWALD had just come to her in her Depository second floor office that was located across from the employees second floor lunchroom and he asked her for the correct coin change for his dollar bill so that he could buy a soda from the soda machine located in that same second floor lunchroom (OSWALD had also, specifically, asked to receive no pennies) . . . . This woman made detailed statements to GRODEN that very shortly before and and during when they heard the assassination shotS (plural) start, LEE OSWALD was standing together with this woman in her office on the second floor of the Depository. While together, OSWALD and the woman, then, wondered aloud what the shots were (they thought, as did many of the Dealey Plaza kill zone witnesses, that the loud noises were just car backfires or firecrackers). After the shots and her giving him the correct coins change, OSWALD then walked out of this womans office and went into the lunchroom (where within 75 to 90 seconds of the shots, he soon had his first encounter with Dallas police motorcycle officer and Presidential escortman, MARRION L. BAKER and OSWALDs supervisor, ROY S. TRULY in that same second floor lunchroom) GRODEN claimed that shortly after the assassination, this woman had detailed her coin change encounter wirh LEE OSWALD during the shots to the F.B.I. investigators, but, the F.B.I. then told this woman to keep her mouth shut, and, she did. (this woman had made GRODEN promise not to detail her encounter with OSWALD during the shots until after the woman passed-on, and GRODEN honored her request) GRODEN stated that this womans name and her encounter will be detailed in his coming book, JFK: Absolute Proof"."

http://droberdeau.blogspot.com/2009/08/3-men-of-courage...

( In the Alex Jones interview two days ago, Groden said he hoped to have the money needed for the printing of the book within a couple of months. )

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zappaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 10:25 AM
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16. whoa
what was the woman's name?
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 10:40 AM
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17. I'm pretty sure Bugliosi...
debunks this in his book.
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zappaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 10:59 AM
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18. wouldn't it be easy to give the woman's name?
just wondering what her name was...
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 11:06 AM
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19. I think it's even more suspicious that...
Groden claims she did not want to be identified until after her death. In other words, Groden can just make up shit without fear of contradiction. I mean, seriously, if you could prove Oswald didn't kill JFK, would you take that to your grave?
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-10 03:21 PM
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29. if telling would get you killed...
or family members, would you tell sdud?
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k-robjoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 11:12 AM
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20. Quote
"...GRODEN stated that this womans name and her encounter will be detailed in his coming book "

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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 11:16 AM
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21. Which is AFTER...
her death. Do you not see the problem with that?
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k-robjoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 11:22 AM
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22. Absolutely
But I will still be curious to see what he writes about this.

And I will also be curious to see the photos that Alex Jones tells about 3:30 out in this clip :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acd6-3yo5ko&feature=watc...

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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 11:29 AM
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23. Dude...
Groden says he has been investigating JFK's murder for 47 years. Can you offer any real reason that he could not have solved it by now?
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zappaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 01:00 PM
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24. easy
it's a riddle wrapped inside an enigma surrounded by a mystery.
not to mention, all the witnesses and accomplices have been killed off.
out of the thousands involved in this assassination, how many are left to talk?
the PTB is all-powerful.
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 06:51 AM
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26. Apparently...
TPTB overlooked Groden. You would think they'd want to silence one of their most vocal critics.
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zappaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 12:05 PM
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27. nah
maybe they like Groden.
I spent an evening drinking with him and a few other notable "JFK researchers" once and he seemed like a really nice guy.
yes, that's right CTers.
I hung out with Groden.
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-10 03:25 PM
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30. sure you did and..
I hang with Elvis. :rofl:
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zappaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-10 05:11 PM
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31. awwwww
Edited on Mon Dec-20-10 05:11 PM by zappaman
jealous?
met quite a few "researchers".
of course, that was back when I fell for the bullshit they were peddling.
how's Elvis these days?
:rofl:
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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-11 11:29 AM
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37. The only reason he still breaths is one word
cointelpro.

The PTB make no mistakes.
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k-robjoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-11 05:46 AM
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34. "The Girl On The Stairs"
A new book, about another important witness :

"On November 22, 1963, a young Victoria Elizabeth Adams stood behind a fourth-floor window of the Texas School Book Depository in Dallas. She watched as John Kennedy was murdered in the streets below. Then, with a co-worker in tow, she ran down the back stairs of the building in order to get outside and determine what had happened.
At that precise moment, her life changed forever.
Unbeknownst to her but certainly in the forefront of the government's thinking was the fact that if Miss Adams was telling the truth, then she had descended those stairs at the same time Lee Oswald would have been on them as he made his escape from the sixth floor sniper's nest.
Yet Miss Adams saw no one.
And even though the stairs were old, wooden, and very creaky under any weight, she heard no one on them.
Her story presented obvious problems for the Warren Commissions conclusion that Oswald was the sole assassin. When Miss Adams was called to testify before a Commission attorney, she was quickly discredited, humiliated, and eventually branded a liar. Behind closed doors she pleaded with the government to conduct time tests of her actions if she wasnt believed. She begged the government to question her co-workers, particularly the woman who had accompanied her down the stairs, if she was felt to have been inaccurate.
But she was ignored."

http://www.amazon.com/Girl-Stairs-Missing-Assassination...

The author, Barry Ernest, on Black Op Radio
Show #518
Original airdate: March 17, 2011:

http://www.blackopradio.com/archives2011.html

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-11 01:31 AM
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93. k
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k-robjoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 06:19 PM
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100. Oswald's Alibi
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k-robjoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 09:07 AM
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101. Psychic powers ?
"Under interrogation, Oswald insisted he had followed his workmates down to eat . He said he ate a snack in the first- floor lunchroom alone but that he remembered two black employees walking through the room while he was there. Oswald believed one of them was a colleague known as "Junior" and said he would recognize the other man although he could not recall his name. He did say the second man was "short." There were two rooms in the Book Depository where workers had lunch, the "domino room" on the first floor and the lunchroom proper on the second floor. There was indeed a worker named "Junior" Jarman, and he spent his lunch break largely in the company of another black man called Harold Norman. Norman, who was indeed "short," said later he ate in the domino room between 12:00 and 12:15 p.m., and indeed he thought "there was someone else in there," though he couldn't remember who. At about 12:15, Jarman walked over to the domino room, and together the two black men left the building for a few minutes. Between 12:20 and 12:25--just before the assassination--they strolled through the first floor once more, on the way upstairs to watch the motorcade from a window. If Oswald was not indeed on the first floor at some stage, he demonstrated almost psychic powers by describing two men--out of a staff of 75--who were actually there."

http://www.mtgriffith.com/web_documents/wherewasoswald....

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k-robjoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-11 04:44 AM
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32. Update
"Dallas to appeal dismissal of charge against Dealey Plaza vendor.

Almost as doggedly as Robert Groden has pursued his theory that the Kennedy assassination was a conspiracy and cover-up, the city of Dallas is pursuing him.

(...)

After a municipal judge dismissed the charge against Groden last month, the city filed notice Wednesday of its plans to appeal the case and try to have it sent back for trial."

http://www.txcn.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/city/dallas/...


"What gets me is the extreme Vladimir Putin-style in-your-face we're-not-even-embarrassed-by-it thug-ocratic stupidity of the way the city has gone after him."

http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/unfairpark/2011/01/by_c...

"Seizing Mr. Groden's property from the outset was not appropriate or necessary, but not releasing Mr. Groden's property to him after taking photographs of it, after holding the property for seven months and counting, and even after the municipal judge ordered the case dismissed
seems to be just further evidence to support his assertion of the City's campaign to harass him unnecessarily."

http://cityhallblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2011/01/ken...

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-11 01:16 AM
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33. We have to understand that any grain of truth is a huge threat to right wing myths/lies ....
One bit of truth is like a pebble hitting a mirror -- it shatters it --

it shatters their myths and lies!

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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-11 08:51 AM
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35. So why are they ignoring you? nt
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-11 10:17 AM
Response to Reply #35
36. And you?
More to the point: What are your thoughts on the OP?
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-11 11:42 AM
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38. He was not singled out
his problems with the city had nothing to do with JFK. The city simply doesn't want a bunch of street vendors in Daley Plaza - can't say I blame them. Now if you were to show his "persecution" extended beyond Daley Plaza then you might have something.

I am not taking on the PTB - they have no reason to suppress me. So do you think they only suppress threats? If that is the case, can you document your suppression?
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-11 12:45 PM
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39. The PTB suppresses the left. The right gets away with murder.
For an example in the assassination of President Kennedy, the case of Joseph Adams Milteer. FBI had to send someone to find out about the right winger, secretly taped by an FBI informant outlining the assassination a few weeks before Dallas, but limited the investigation to a few questions afterward.

In the present day, a whistleblower sits in jail for alerting the authorities to rich Americans offshoring wealth in Switzerland while the people who lied America into two illegal, immoral, unnecessary and disastrous wars run free.

Don't know about suppression, but the PTB seems capable of doing everything to protect property rights and nothing to protect liberals.
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-11 12:51 PM
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40. Dude...
the Milteer theory has been repeatedly and thoroughly debunked.

What I find fascinating about your quest is that you will summarily ignore the mountain of evidence against Oswald, yet embrace the flimsiest of evidence as proof positive that someone other than Oswald killed JFK.

Too funny.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-11 01:13 PM
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43. You are wrong about Joseph Adams Milteer, sduderstadt.
His story was not debunked. Suppressed, certainly, but not debunked.

You should read Abraham Bolden's "The Echo from Dealey Plaza" to learn more about how the FBI and Secret Service failed in their duty. He was the first African American SS agent assigned to the White House detail. Dude.
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-11 01:19 PM
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45. Dude...
Milteer is dead, therefore, you can make your goofy accusations without fear of contradiction. Where is the evidence that Milteer was involved in the assassination of JFK in any way? Why are you (and other conspiracists, for that matter) utterly incapable of assembling some sort of coherent narrative for that day?

And, most, importantly, why do you summarily reject the mountain of evidence against Oswald?
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-11 01:01 PM
Response to Reply #39
41. So are they suppressing you personally?
has there been the slightest hint that the PTB have considered you a threat for even a second?
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-11 01:09 PM
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42. Not for one second.
It'd be a waste of time.
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-11 01:16 PM
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44. Because you are wrong? Useful distraction?
why do you think that is?
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-11 01:29 PM
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46. Like you asking questions, without supplying any input?
Right?
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-11 01:39 PM
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49. Your point is the the PTB are preventing the truth about JFK to come out.
Groden is held up as proof of that. So what does it mean when the government ignores someone? If there is an active conspiracy to suppress the truth then there must be an active effort to evaluate the threat. There must also be some criteria as to when to react to that threat. So when they ignore you despite your obvious dedication to your hobby, it must mean something. What are to options? You are wrong, you have no original ideas or you are working to spread disinformation. You certainly don't believe they didn't evaluate your potential to reveal the truth, do you?
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-11 01:47 PM
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50. 'So when they ignore you despite your obvious dedication to your hobby, it must mean something.'
You are correct.


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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-11 01:54 PM
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51. It must suck to...
dedicate nearly five decades to pursuing the "truth", yet not even wind up on TPTB's radar.
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zappaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-11 02:32 PM
Response to Reply #51
52. I thought they monitored DU?
Or maybe, they look at him like I look at my dog when he chases his tail.
You know, eye-rolling and a laugh.
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-11 02:37 PM
Response to Reply #52
53. By comparison...
your dogs tail-chasing makes far more sense than Octafish's antics.
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zappaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-11 03:56 PM
Response to Reply #53
54. But my dog doesn't post endless links
which prove....um...what do they prove again?
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-11 04:10 PM
Response to Reply #54
55. That's what I mean...
at least your dog gets exercise from chasing its tail.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-11 06:03 PM
Response to Reply #51
56. No. I search to learn about the nature of what appears to be a conspiracy, sduderstadt.
A good place to learn about it: Mary Ferrell Foundation

Others are free to be certain Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. Do you think that sucks, too? Dude.
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-11 06:07 PM
Response to Reply #56
57. Dude...
More conspiracy theory bullshit? Can you even think for yourself? Do you bother to fact-check the goofy bullshit you consume?
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 08:15 AM
Response to Reply #57
58. That's why I ask you to start a DU Journal, sduderstadt. I'd like to see where you stand.
Actually, I know where you stand. It'd be easier for other people to see your, eh, positions. Always on top. Dude.
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OnTheOtherHand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 08:41 AM
Response to Reply #58
61. ??
SDuderstadt opposes arguments that he doesn't think make sense. (Or, perhaps in your mind, SDuderstadt opposes arguments that make entirely Too Much Sense. Whatever.) How would starting a journal change that?
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 09:22 AM
Response to Reply #61
62. A journal would make it easier for people to find patterns in his thought.
You know, how a world view developed.
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 10:07 AM
Response to Reply #62
63. Another deflection from...
Octafish.

Typical.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 02:27 PM
Response to Reply #63
66. What deflection, sduderstadt? ontheotherhand asked why I asked why you have no journal?
I answered. No biggie. Dude.
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 02:38 PM
Response to Reply #66
71. Dude...
it's just another attempt by you to distract/deflect attention away from your smear of Ted Kennedy.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 03:07 PM
Response to Reply #71
75. Just because you say something, doesn't make it so, sduderstadt.
That's what little people think. Dude.
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zappaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 03:09 PM
Response to Reply #75
76. "Just because you say something, doesn't make it so"
You might try applying that to your posts....dude.
:rofl:
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 03:12 PM
Response to Reply #75
80. If Ted Kennedy writes of his beliefs...
that does make it so, dude.
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OnTheOtherHand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 03:03 PM
Response to Reply #66
73. that is incorrect
You didn't ask why he had no journal, even rhetorically. You asked him to start one.

And, yes, your 'rationale' for that makes about as much sense as your 'discussion' of True Compass.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 03:06 PM
Response to Reply #73
74. That's your opinion.
I wrote what I wrote.
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 03:10 PM
Response to Reply #74
78. Dude...
nothing you have written refutes EMK's rather plain words that he accepted the findings of the Warren Commission.

Face it, dude...Ted Kennedy has posthumously shut you down.

Ouch!
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 01:13 PM
Response to Reply #78
102. When did EMK become the final authority on the assassination?
Edited on Tue Jul-12-11 01:14 PM by AntiFascist
There are a number of very logical reasons why he probably didn't want to make waves, the most important of which would be to protect his family. What has come to light since Nixon took office is that EMK was on Nixon's radar, and he likely learned from this experience in order to further his career. I would be much more interested in getting at the root of RFK's beliefs, the one Kennedy brother who was in a position to start a real investigation. Why did the DRE's efforts (funded by the CIA) to blame the assassination on the Cuban government fail so quickly?
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OnTheOtherHand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 03:40 PM
Response to Reply #74
86. yes, and you wrote, "That's why I ask you to start a DU Journal"
You may, somehow, honestly believe that it is a matter of opinion whether that means the same thing as "That's why I ask you why you have no DU Journal." Heck, who's to say what words really mean anyway?
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BobbyBoring Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-11 01:17 PM
Response to Reply #57
98. WOW! That's Rich
from the DUDE that believes every horse shit version of every incident that the state controlled media puts out!

Do you think Van der Lubbe started the Reichstag Fire all on his own too?
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-11 01:27 PM
Response to Reply #98
99. Silly strawman argument...
dude.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-11 01:39 AM
Response to Reply #49
95. Think they're counting on "no tin foil" posters here to interrupt threads?
Edited on Thu Mar-24-11 01:43 AM by defendandprotect
After all, they couldn't possibly pay attention to every American who believes

in conspiracy re JFK coup!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:



And time to put you back on IGNORE --



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zappaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-11 10:18 AM
Response to Reply #95
96. "And time to put you back on IGNORE -- "
Yes, like the other 99% of DU.
Which enables you to spray bullshit on threads without having to respond to questions or even remotely try and back up your silly claims.
IGNORE ME!!!!
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zappaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-11 01:32 PM
Response to Reply #42
47. Guess they don't fear you.
Gee, I wonder why?
:eyes:
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 08:17 AM
Response to Reply #47
59. No reason to fear a man of peace, zappaman.
Idiots are another matter. Don't you own any Zappa albums?
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 10:20 AM
Response to Reply #59
65. Actually...
there's no reason to fear goofy conspiracy theory bullshit.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 02:30 PM
Response to Reply #65
68. So that must explain why you devote so much time and attention to what I post, sduderstadt.
You don't miss a thing. Dude.
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 02:32 PM
Response to Reply #68
69. Well...
when you show your true colors by smearing Ted Kennedy, it DOES tend to get noticed, dude.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 03:10 PM
Response to Reply #69
77. Just because you say something, doesn't make it so, sduderstadt.
Go over your posts and go over mine. You believe the Warren Commission, the CIA and J Edgar Hoover. I don't.

Gee. That does make it clear: My true colors aren't yours. Dude.
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zappaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 02:49 PM
Response to Reply #59
72. plenty
should I start a journal about it?
to make it official?
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 03:11 PM
Response to Reply #72
79. No. You have yet to write anything I'd want to recommend to anyone else, zappaman
Keep trying, my Friend. Someday. Someday.
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 03:17 PM
Response to Reply #79
83. Well, if I were you...
I wouldn't recommend anything that flatly contradicts your goofy JFK assassination conspiracy bullshit either, dude.

You are truly fighting a losing battle here.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 04:34 PM
Response to Reply #83
87. My own personal minder dude, sduderstadt.
And always stating what you wish were so, but you know isn't. It's like you want to be my little groupie. Dude.
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zappaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 04:37 PM
Response to Reply #87
89. Back to the topic
Why don't you quote the parts of Teddy's book that support your assertions?
I can guess why you don't...
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 04:45 PM
Response to Reply #87
90. Dude...
You can engage in all the personal attacks you want, but it does not disguise the fact that you're unable to refute Ted Kennedy's plain words.
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zappaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 03:17 PM
Response to Reply #79
84. ah, my good friend
I, too, wait for the day that something you write can be recommended.
I fear, however, that won't happen.
By the way, are you one of those psychic who talks to the dead?
How else to explain how you-and only you-knows Teddy Kennedy thoughts about the assassination were completely different from the ones he gave in public and in his own book?
Maybe you should read something else besides your own journal!
:rofl:
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 04:36 PM
Response to Reply #84
88. And his little friend, mini-minder zappaman.
That's minder with a "D."

And, for what it's worth, there's nothing funny about the assassination of President Kennedy.
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 04:48 PM
Response to Reply #88
91. There is also nothing funny about...
disrespecting the Kennedy family. And, you know that neither Z-man nor anyone else here thinks there's anything remotely funny about the JFK's assassination.

Just more of your smarmy tactics and false accusations, dude.
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zappaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 04:51 PM
Response to Reply #88
92. I don't mind anyone, my good friend
so, are you going to post the relevant excerpts from Ted Kennedy's memoir that support your assertions?
Or do we have to wait for your journal?
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-11 01:34 PM
Response to Reply #42
48. Wouldn't that mean you're...
nowhere close to uncovering the "truth", dude?
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 08:19 AM
Response to Reply #48
60. My version is closer to the truth than yours. That's why I have a DU Journal, sduderstadt.
I'm not afraid to let others see what I've found. When I'm wrong -- which has happened -- I am happy to admit it. That's why I post links and name source. You, OTOH, don't. Dude.
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 10:16 AM
Response to Reply #60
64. If you were happy to admit when you are wrong...
you'd admit that Ted Kennedy accepted the Warren Commission findings, which is just one more example out of many times where I provided either links or named the source, dude. Your having a "journal" showing how you uncritically buy more goofy conspiracy theory bullshit is not particularly impressive.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 02:29 PM
Response to Reply #64
67. Is that one excerpt all he wrote on the subject, sduderstadt?
It's not even all he wrote in his memoir. You must have missed that post. Dude.
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 02:36 PM
Response to Reply #67
70. Dude...
Edited on Mon Mar-21-11 03:03 PM by SDuderstadt
I posted his exact words in an excerpt from his memoir. Please provide whatever excerpt you have in which he recants his acceptance of the Warren Commission's findings.

Please explain how any of the pages you refer to make your "case" in any way. You've painted yourself into yet another corner, dude.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 03:12 PM
Response to Reply #70
81. There were all sorts of references to the assassination in the memoir, sduderstadt.
Didn't you read the book? Dude.
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 03:14 PM
Response to Reply #81
82. Including the passage...
I excerpted in which Kennedy plainly stated his acceptance of the findings of the Warren Commission.

If you have ANYTHING that refutes it, please provide it.
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zappaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 03:18 PM
Response to Reply #81
85. It is very clear who read the book and who didn't, my good friend.
:rofl:
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-11 01:33 AM
Response to Reply #35
94. Because I'm not Robert Groden ... !!
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k-robjoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-11 04:57 PM
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97. Update
"Dealey Plaza vendors get green light from City Council."

http://www.wfaa.com/news/business/Dealey-Plaza-vendors-...

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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 06:12 PM
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103. The Conspiracy Shot JFK, and They Can't Get This Guy To Quit Selling Stuff?

Oh, how the mighty have fallen.
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k-robjoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 03:40 AM
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104. "Stop Robert Groden"
"Top priority"

Maybe not :)

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