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hatesthegop Donating Member (165 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 11:27 AM
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DOES ANYONE REMEMBER NOVEMBER 22, 1963?
Edited on Fri Mar-26-10 12:04 PM by hatesthegop
The sad reality folks is that it could happen again. We are seeing the same type of rhetoric and craziness that took place in the lead up to the Kennedy assassination. Just before President Kennedcy was assassinated, US Ambassador and former Presidential Candidade Adlai Stevenson was spit upon, General Edwin Walker's home was shot at, others were hit over the head with yard signs. Numerous incediary advertizements were taken out in conservative newspapers all over the nation.

This time the problem is even worse...not only are the crazies out there normal citizens, but you also have elected GOP officials, political leaders and conservative talk show hosts spewing this type crap but it is being soft pedaled by a corporate media.

This stuff is serious and we as progressives and liberals need to do all we can to call the right wingers, birthers, birchers, fundies and GOP out on this behaviour. The next time a GOP congress critter interupts or calls out durng a speech such as "you lie" or "baby killer" he/she need to be physically removed from the floor of the House. We need to go after those who spit on the congressman and called him the "n" word and others that did these types of things. It's up to us to lift the rocks these types of people crawl under for cover so they can exposed to the rest of the nation in the light of the glare of the news media.

Don't count on the cops either..most cops are conservative and usually are luke warm to going after those of their own ilk.

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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 11:31 AM
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1. Actually Gen Walker was shot at while he was sitting at home.
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hatesthegop Donating Member (165 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 12:05 PM
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13. You're right
thanks for correcting that. Wasn't it Stevenson who said: "these people are animals" ?
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 12:56 PM
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27. Actually, Gen. Walker led the RACIST RIOT at Ole Miss....and was arrested there ...
There's a lot on the internet about him --

the Judge recommended psychiatric treatment --

JFK had fired General Walker from the Army because he was distributing

rabid right wing material.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 11:35 AM
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2. The more things change, the more they stay the same
Oh, we're meetin' at the courthouse at eight o'clock tonight
You just walk in the door and take the first turn to the right
Be careful when you get there, we hate to be bereft
But we're taking down the names of everybody turning left

Oh, we're the John Birch Society, the John Birch Society
Here to save our country from a communistic plot
Join the John Birch Society, help us fill the ranks
To get this movement started we need lots of tools and cranks

Now there's no one that we're certain the Kremlin doesn't touch
We think that Westbrook Pegler doth protest a bit too much
We only hail the hero from whom we got our name
We're not sure what he did but he's our hero just the same

Oh, we're the John Birch Society, the John Birch Society
Socialism is the ism dismalest of all
Join the John Birch Society, there's so much to do
Have you heard they're serving vodka at the WCTU?

Well you've heard about the agents that we've already named
Well MPA has agents that are flauntedly unashamed
We're after Rosie Clooney, we've gotten Pinkie Lee
And the day we get Red Skelton won't that be a victory

Oh we're the John Birch Society, the John Birch Society
Norman Vincent Peale may think he's kidding us along
But the John Birch Society knows he spilled the beans
He keeps on preaching brotherhood, but we know what he means

We'll teach you how to spot 'em in the cities or the sticks
For even Jasper Junction is just full of Bolsheviks
The CIA's subversive and so's the FCC
There's no one left but thee and we, and we're not sure of thee

Oh, we're the John Birch Society, the John Birch Society
Here to save our country from a communistic plot
Join the John Birch Society holding off the Reds
We'll use our hand and hearts and if we must we'll use our heads

Do you want Justice Warren for your Commissar?
Do you want Mrs. Krushchev in there with the DAR?
You cannot trust your neighbor or even next of kin
If mommie is a commie then you gotta turn her in

Oh, we're the John Birch Society, the John Birch Society
Fighting for the right to fight the right fight for the Right
Join the John Birch Society as we're marching on
And we'll all be glad to see you when we're meeting in the John

The John, the John Birch So- ci- i- teee

John Birch Society - Chad Mitchell Trio, 1962
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 11:36 AM
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3. There was a lot of anti-catholic hate stuff on radio at the time, since
JFK announced his campaign. Also the ususal conservative anti Democratic anti-"liberal" bullshit, but it was much more entrenched. Racial segregation was legal, many places had restrictive voting laws, women had few rights and the hatred went very high up in the Federal government structure - is really was institutional.
I seriously believe this is the "america" that the RWers want back again, the 1950's-even 1930's-era of white male protestant supremacy by law. The computer is their ally now - it works for them as it works for us.
All of us Democrats/liberals/leftists/progressives must keep our eyes open and be a more little alert in our personal lives, it seems.....

mark
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 11:38 AM
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4. I'd imagine every single DU'er is mindful of what you've posted- hence your OP seems more like fear
mongering to me.
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hatesthegop Donating Member (165 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 11:41 AM
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7. I actually posted it because I don't
think we're doing enough to bring all the shit that is happening to the light of day...lots of Dem's I know are now sitting back with that happy glow of "we won this one" just like after the o8 election...yhou just can't sit back and relax..gotta keep fighting these cocksuckers at every turn. Make em look like the crazy fuckers that they are!!!
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 01:30 PM
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35. PLUS, this coup on JFK was also a coup on our "people's" government ...
and also eventually has brought down the Democratic Party --

Those who paid for this crime were not about to let liberals/progressives in

Democratic Party investigate properly and bring them to justice.

We need CONSTANT reminders of all of this -- thank you!!

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 01:28 PM
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34. It's a reminder that the right wing is violent and is still not necessarily contained by
Edited on Fri Mar-26-10 01:31 PM by defendandprotect
law enforcement . . .

in fact, when JFK was killed in Dallas, 50% of the police officers were KKK members.

When RFK was killed in Los Angeles, 50% of the LAPD were John Birchers.

General Edwin Walker was FIRED by JFk for distributing right wing material in military!

General Walker also LED the racist riot at Ole Miss to keep James Meredith from enrolling

there and attending classes. Walker was arrested there and charged -- and psychiatric

treatment recommended.


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greencharlie Donating Member (827 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 11:39 AM
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5. I don't really think so...
Dallas was careless and there was controversy involving a convertible at the time...

The Prez is surrounded by the best security ever... no problem.

However... I'm VERY worried about Senators and Reps, they don't have a security entourage when they go home. In fact, Reps go to the grocery store, they drive their own cars, they live VERY normal lives.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 02:32 PM
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50. That is a good point.
However Kennedy had excellent security coverage also - until the moment right before the guns shots were fired, and his security was made to stand down.

So I don't know that you can consider any President's security as being good. Like other posters are saying, once the incident occurs, the coup d'etat is complete - and no investigation will happen.

Any time they want, the electronics on AF One and Helicopter One can be jammed, I imagine. And then what happened to Wellstone's plane could happen to the President. (Didn't Obama refuse the upgrades on the Helicopter? And of course - the security on these vehicles - at any point in time, a mechanical check can reveal everything is okay, and then a mechanical "upgrade" a week later can change everything.))

And you are right about the Senators and the Congress people not having much in the way of security. Though one does have to wonder, as our city streets are laced with cameras, why it doesn't seem like anyone has gotten arrested for the smashing of windows at Democratic offices. If we anti war folks were smashing ROTC and recruiting windows, I am sure they would have camera footage to nail whoever among us did the deed.


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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 03:05 PM
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66. That's a fact. ....."security told to stand down." n/t
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 03:08 PM
Response to Reply #66
68. If it's a "fact"...
you should be able to prove it.
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 03:18 PM
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70. I sure can and so can you. Look it up for yourself. n/t
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 03:21 PM
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71. If you can, then...
why don't you, dude?

You realize that it's pretty silly to demand that I prove YOUR claim for you, right?
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 03:31 PM
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72. First of all, I'm not a "DUDE." Secondly, I'm not the only one
"making that claim," so it couldn't be that far fetched. I don't have to prove anything to you! Demand 'others'to do your research for you or if you REALLY want to know, do it for yourself. I've neither the time nor inclination to do so.
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 10:46 PM
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104. "I'm not the only one making that claim, so it couldn't be that far fetched"
Really? So, using that "Logic", wouldn't that validate much of what teabaggers claim? Moreover, I am not demading that "others do my research for me". If you want others to accept your claim, do you understand that the maker of the claim bears the burden of proof?

Since you claim it's MY burden to prove YOUR claim, okay....I've done the research and I find no evidence for your claim. Guess the ball's back in your court now.
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-10 07:45 AM
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117. Guess you didn't see post #73. Figures. n/t
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-10 01:39 PM
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121. Post # 116 blows post # 73 out of the...
water.
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-10 02:40 PM
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122. Bull. It's obvious you didn't bother to read it. If you had you
would have seen 'several' instances of the 'stand down.' Not just the ONE in reference to SS not riding on the limo, which btw, seems to be the only premise to your argument. You are the typical "go-fer" who swallows anything the media and government trys to shove down your throat and you then claim, it's "gospel." You can't see the forest for the trees so you want to discredit everybody else because they didn't buy the propaganda bullshit. You need to turn the light on.
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-10 03:04 PM
Response to Reply #122
123. No, that's your projection because I'm not buying your...
Edited on Sat Mar-27-10 03:05 PM by SDuderstadt
goofy CT bullshit. Do you honestly think I haven't read Vince Palamara before you brought him to my attention? You're claiming that the SS was "in on" JFK's assassination. That's an extraordinary claim for which you need extraordinary proof, which you don't have. Do you have a single SSA who's come forward and stated they were made to "stand-down"? No. Do you have any physical evidence that anyone other than LHO killed JFK? No. Given where Connally's entrance wound was (according to Dr. Shaw who performed the surgery on Connally, the entrance wound was in his back and the exit wound was in his chest) can you describe how LHO could have possibly shot Connally without the bullet first having gone through JFK? No. Do you have anything that refutes the mountain of evidence against LHO? No.

It's been nearly fifty years and you guys have dick or else you would have blown the lid off this case. In another decade or so, there probably won't be any material witnesses alive, so you can misrepresent what they said or meant with impunity. But, we don't need them to dismantle your goofy CT bullshit. These flimsy, poorly thought-through theories lack coherence and consistency and can rebutted conclusively with simple Logic.

Nearly five decades and you guys aren't any closer to cracking this case than you were in the 60's. Even EMK dissed you guys when he confirmed his belief in the WCR in "True Compass". You couldn't even convince JFK's own brother? When are you going to solve this thing? What are you waiting for?
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-10 03:58 PM
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125. They didn't HAVE to be "in on it" or even AWARE of it.
Just following orders is enough to have been instrumental in the turn of events. Some questions may never be answered but of one thing I am certain. Had his SS detail been where they were 'supposed' to have been (regardless of who gave the orders), in all liklihood, it never would have happened.

As for LHO being the lone shooter, there have been numerous documentaries 'questioning' the validity of the WCR, in it's entirety.
The angles of entry from a single bullet into the back of JFK's head to WHERE the bullet hit Connally and exited, defies the laws of physics. It would mean that bullets turn corners. That simple logic has given rise to the theory that LHO, either was NOT the shooter or not the lone shooter. Yes, it's been five decades and knowing this government and the corruption within, we may NEVER have enough proof to put these theories to rest. But guess what? Until then, that's what I believe and I'm sticking to it.
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-10 06:14 PM
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126. The bullet that hit JFK in the head...
Edited on Sat Mar-27-10 06:15 PM by SDuderstadt
didn't hit Connally. Duh. Read what you wrote.

And, if you look at the relative positions of JFK and Connally, the bullet that exited JFK's throat hit Connally in a straight line which, not coincidentally, traces precisely to the sniper's nest also in a straight line.

Simple question: Have you even bothered to read the WCR or have you just uncritically accepted what CT books and websites have told you? Like almost all JFK assassination CT's, you're woefully uninformed on the facts. Do you really expect us to believe a single SSA would not have realized that they had unwittingly been used to facilitate the assassination? Do you really think they would be that stupid or dishonest?
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-28-10 10:00 AM
Response to Reply #126
130. Frankly, I don't care whether you 'believe it' or not. But I'm
Edited on Sun Mar-28-10 10:02 AM by Fire1
not so naive to believe that the WCR is gospel and for that reason I've never had the desire to read it. Yes, I DO believe, not only the SSA but the government, is that stupid and dishonest. There's a reason PO campaigned on changing the way government is run. It's not only dishonest but corrupt(further exemplified during the Bush years.) The information and questions contradicting the WCR has been publicized and televised long before the web. As you say, these CT have been going on for fifty years. I'll always believe the WCR is a cover up. Again, that's what I believe and I'm sticking to it.
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-10 01:11 AM
Response to Reply #130
131. "for that reason I've never had the desire to read it"
Edited on Mon Mar-29-10 01:12 AM by SDuderstadt
How do you know what it says then? BTW, I love your anti-government sentiments. They're precious.
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-10 08:22 AM
Response to Reply #131
135. I know the parts that have been questioned over the years b/c
these points of controversy have been widely publicized. I think this dialogue has exceeded it's shelf life as we seem to be going in circles here. Have a good day.
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-10 08:59 AM
Response to Reply #135
136. No, YOU'RE going in circles...
your capacity for confirmation bias is stunning.
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Ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 08:22 PM
Response to Reply #68
80. Oh you and hating any conspiracy
Here too?
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 10:39 PM
Response to Reply #80
103. Actually, it's....
goofy, unproven conspiracy theories.
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-10 07:47 AM
Response to Reply #103
118. Bull. n/t
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-10 06:53 PM
Response to Reply #66
138. ...and motorcycle police were also told to stay back of the limo...usually rode on sides...!!
Edited on Mon Mar-29-10 06:53 PM by defendandprotect
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HopeHoops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 11:41 AM
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6. I doubt it. I was 7 months old - but I do have the newspaper with the pictures.
My parents saved it and I have it now.

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Aviation Pro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 11:45 AM
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8. I was five and I remember it as clear as a bell....
...I also remember the two dark days in 1968. The first was broadcast on the afternoon of the event (sorry, Bono, it wasn't 'early morning'), the second one I woke my parents on the morning after the event (my mother screamed).

This is a country born in violence and it continues to this day.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 11:57 AM
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11. Bono was in a way different time zone -
As I remember it, it was at seven in the evening, because I was living in Germany - one time zone later than his. For years I thought that in Dallas time it was @11:00am - five hours from Germany to the east coast, and three more to Texas.

He probably figured it the same way.
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Aviation Pro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 01:36 PM
Response to Reply #11
37. Bono's reference in 'Pride" was to MLK....
...not JFK.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 01:47 PM
Response to Reply #37
45. Whoops -
thanks.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-10 06:58 PM
Response to Reply #8
139. "This is a country born in violence and it continues to this day" ---
You've got that right . . .

and we're still in the same gene pool!

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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 11:48 AM
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9. George H. W. Bush doesn't.
Edited on Fri Mar-26-10 11:48 AM by KamaAina
Supposedly every American who was at least school age at the time remembers exactly where s/he was when s/he heard the President had been shot. Except, apparently, Bush 41.

And we know he was in Dallas. :tinfoilhat:
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 12:02 PM
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12. This is bullshit...
Edited on Fri Mar-26-10 12:04 PM by SDuderstadt
Do you have any evidence that GHW Bush has ever said he doesn't remember where he was that day?


What makes this claim even more suspect is a number of JFK assassination CT sites feature an FBI memo in which Bush called the FBI from Tyler, TX, stated he was enroute to Dallas and relayed information about a potential assassination threat he had heard about involving a student by the last name of Parrot.

It should be immediately clear that Bush could not possibly have stated he doesn't recall where he was and simultanteously tipped off the FBI about who might have murdered JFK.

Do you have any corroboration of your irresponsible claim?
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 12:08 PM
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15. Unless, of course, Bush was lying
either about not recalling where he was, or to the FBI.

But, of course, George H. W. Bush would never, ever tell a lie. :sarcasm:
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 12:21 PM
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18. Again, do you have any corroboration of your...
irresponsible claim?

Do you really expect us to believe that Bush would have forgotten that he called the FBI? Saying that he could have lied doesn't resolve your dilemma.


When did he say he say he didn't remember where he was that day? Who did he say it to?

Y'know, it's bad enough that the GOP makes up shit about the Dems. That doesn't mean we should make up shit about them.

You're implying Bush is either responsible for JFK's murder or otherwise complicit. Do you have evidence of your claim or not?
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 12:33 PM
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22. Actually, he denied having made the call
http://modernhistoryproject.org/mhp/ArticleDisplay.php?...

On the day of the Kennedy assassination, FBI records show George Bush as reporting a right-wing member of the Houston Young Republicans for making threatening comments about President Kennedy. According to FBI documents released under the Freedom of Information Act, ...

According to related FBI documentation, "a check with Secret Service at Houston, Texas revealed that agency had a report that Parrott stated in 1961 he would kill President Kennedy if he got near him." Here Bush is described as "a reputable businessman." FBI agents were sent to interrogate Parrott's mother, and later James Milton Parrott himself. Parrott had been discharged from the U.S. Air Force for psychiatric reasons in 1959. Parrott had an alibi for the time of the Dallas shootings; he had been in the company of another Republican activist. According to press accounts, Parrott was a member of the right-wing faction of the Houston GOP which was oriented towards the John Birch Society and which opposed Bush's chairmanship.

According to the San Francisco Examiner, Bush's press office in August, 1988 first said that Bush had not made any such call, and challenged the authenticity of the FBI documents. Several days later Bush's spokesman said that the candidate "does not recall" placing the call.

One day later after he reported Parrott to the FBI, Bush received a highly sensitive, high-level briefing from the Bureau:


Curiouser and curiouser.
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 12:45 PM
Response to Reply #22
25. Jesus...
your "source" is Webster Tarpley? You trust a LaRouchite?

Again, I am asking for any evidence whatsoever that Bush ever stated he doesn't remember where he was that day.

"Backing up" CT bullshit with more CT bullshit doesn't fly. Just making shit up about GOP figures just renders us slightly less irresponsible than they are.

Do you have the evidence or not?
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 01:54 PM
Response to Reply #25
48. Funny, the website didn't say "larouche.org"
Edited on Fri Mar-26-10 01:54 PM by KamaAina
nor was it bylined "Webster Tarpley, LaRouchite". But thanks for the info.

So what would you consider a credible source for info on the JFK assassination (besides the Warren Report, apparently)?
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 02:38 PM
Response to Reply #48
51. Well not some assassination CT like...
Tarpley. How about Vincent Bugliosi?
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johnnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 02:49 PM
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56. Vincent Bugliosi
Lol
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DonkeyHoTay Donating Member (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 05:38 PM
Response to Reply #56
76. Vince "The Bug" Bugliosi??? You must be joking...
He's a Lone Nutter!  No credibility whatsoever.

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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 07:08 PM
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78. Ha ha ha ha ha...
umm, no.

Unfortunately for you, Bugliosi has put together a very tight case based upon the convergence of evidence. After nearly fifty years, the JFK assassination "community" has dick. No confessions (unless you count obviously false ones), no physical evidence and, certainly, no smoking gun.

If you guys could crack this case, you would've done it by now. That's why EMK confirned his belief in the WCR in his memoir. When you guys can't even convince the Kennedy family, why should anyone else follow your lead?
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 01:46 PM
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44. Of course there's this piece of evidence:
Edited on Fri Mar-26-10 01:49 PM by mod mom



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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 01:50 PM
Response to Reply #44
46. and this:
Edited on Fri Mar-26-10 01:51 PM by mod mom
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 02:45 PM
Response to Reply #46
54. I am asking for evidence that...
Bush ever said he doesn't remember where he was on 11/22/63.
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 02:41 PM
Response to Reply #44
53. How is that evidence that...
Bush ever stated he doesn't remember where he was on 11/22/63?
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hatesthegop Donating Member (165 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 12:10 PM
Response to Reply #12
16. No Kidding
I am quite positive that that mother fucker and his family helped plan the assassination..also on a side note: guess who was just leaving Dallas on an American Airlines flight to New York, moments after the assassination took place? Richard Nixon...coincidence or......?
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 12:28 PM
Response to Reply #16
20. If you have evidence of this...
please provide it.

There is every reason to despise GHW and his idiot sons and, for that matter, Nixon, for things they actually did. We don't have to go make shit up about things they didn't do.

You have ZERO evidence that either Bush or Nixon was involved in JFK's murder or you'd provide it, rather than simply yap about it
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Ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 08:29 PM
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81. Do you also deny Bush Sr. was in on Reagan's assassination attempt in '81?
The shooter's brother was close friends with Neil Bush. Why no investigation? Why did Reagan suddenly stop talking bad about the Trilateral Commission?
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 10:25 PM
Response to Reply #81
92. Yes, I deny it....
stupid question
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Politicalboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 09:39 PM
Response to Reply #16
88. And Jack Ruby (Oswald's assassin) worked on
Nixon's campaign in 1948.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-10 07:11 PM
Response to Reply #88
140. Though I did know this . . .


A Nixon-Ruby Connection


This FBI-document of 1947 recommends that "one Jack Rubenstein of Chicago" should not be called to testify for the Committee on Unamerican Activities, for he is working for Congressman Richard M. Nixon. According to the Warren Commission, Ruby had no connections with Oswald, Organized Crime or the Government. No wonder the header reads "This is sensitive".


http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com/nixonruby.htm


Wonder what he was doing for ole Nixon in the '48 campaign -- ?

Do you have more info on this alliance?





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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 12:59 PM
Response to Reply #12
28. IIRC you can find the claim in Russ Baker's Family of Secrets
and I'm pretty sure I'd seen the claim in more standard sources some years before that. The charitable interpretation might be that Bush's CIA connections long predate his 1976 appointment and that he had some duty to the agency not to remember too much about his activities or whereabouts on that day

... Baker's cornerstone is a memo, reported by the Nation magazine in 1988, in which J. Edgar Hoover says the FBI spoke to "Mr. George Bush of the Central Intelligence Agency" after John F. Kennedy's assassination ... On the morning of the assassination, he was in Dallas, then flew to Tyler, Tex., to speak at a luncheon (the speech was cancelled when the shooting was reported; Baker notes that Bush remained "supremely well composed''), then flew back to Dallas and on to Houston, but not before phoning the FBI from Tyler to report his suspicions that a Republican Party activist might have been involved in the killing ... But the Nation asked George H.W. Bush in 1988 if he were the person Hoover was referring to, and a spokesman for the then-vice president said no. The CIA produced another George Bush who had been on its staff at the time of the assassination, although that guy also denied having dealt with the FBI ...
Behind Every Rock, a Bush
Looking into the Bush family's many powerful connections
Reviewed by Jamie Malanowski
Sunday, January 11, 2009
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20...





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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 01:10 PM
Response to Reply #28
31. None of which proves the GHW Bush has ever stated...
that he doesn't recall where he was on 11/22/63.

I don't care what Baker "claims". Where is the proof Bush ever said such a thing? If we just accept things uncritically without hard evidence, how are we any better than the GOP?
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 02:15 PM
Response to Reply #31
49. Fair enough. I think I've provided enough info to enable you to track down
the origin of the claim, whether or not it is true, if that interests you: Baker's factual claims are likely to be accurate, though the facts may be sparse and the theory built upon them not entirely convincing. As I indicated, I looked into it once and convinced myself that Bush had actually indicated he didn't remember where he was; I think I know what the plausible mainstream explanation for such lost memory would be (and indicated it in my prior post) but there wasn't much more that I could do with that, so I lost interest, and since I'm not inclined to pursue the matter further, you're welcome to your doubts about it: if you decide to examine the matter further, and discover GHWB actually remembers where he was when he learned about the assassination, I'd be interested to know that
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 02:49 PM
Response to Reply #49
55. Nope...
it's YOUR claim he said it. I don't have to prove he didn't say it (how would I do that anyhow?). YOU have to prove he said it.
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 03:53 PM
Response to Reply #55
73. Since you seem to be on some kind of crusade to discredit
posters, I doubt any evidence will suffice. Nevertheless, I thought I'd be nice and provide you with something to chew on while waiting to attack the next poster. Mind you, this is just one of many reports on the matter of the SS detail.

http://vincepalamara.blogspot.com/2009/12/survivors-gui...
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Politicalboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 09:43 PM
Response to Reply #31
89. I thought Bush said that
In the 1992 debate with Clinton. They were both asked. I honestly don't remember what he said myself.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 01:26 PM
Response to Reply #28
33. Interesting
Thanks.Behind Every Rock, a Bush
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 01:36 PM
Response to Reply #28
38. There's also a photo which seems to show Bush in Dallas on that day ....
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DonkeyHoTay Donating Member (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 09:18 PM
Response to Reply #38
85. Purported photo of GHWB in Dealy Plaza 1963-11-22

Go here:

http://www.tomflocco.com/Docs/63/BushJfkBookDepo.htm Tom Flocco website.

I am not convinced. The hairline and nose are too different.


I would instead offer the Allen photo of an arrest made in the aftermath of the assassination right in front of the Texas School Book Depository. In the background, leaning against a tree is an Oliver-Hardy-like figure who greatly resembles William King Harvey, the maverick ex-FBI, CIA chap who always packed a gun in his back pocket and was an executive action planner par excellence.




He is probably the very same gun-toting Oliver Harvey-type man who disrupted the O.R. when Dr. Crenshaw, Dr Duke, Dr Perry, Dr McClelland and the chief surgeon, Dr Shires and their surgical team were fighting to save the life of Lee Harvey Oswald. This incident is described in detail by Dr Charles A Crenshaw on pages 185 through 189 of "JFK Conspiracy of Silence." Dr. Crenshaw claimed that LBJ himself called Parkside Hospital and demanded to be put through to the O.R. and instructed Crenshaw to obtain a confession from his dying patient and that there was a man in the O.R. who would take down the statement. LHO's heart suddenly failed and Crenshaw told Oliver Hardy "There won't be any confession today" and he vanished.

The intriguing thing about this photo is the tall man on the left who is talking to the Oliver Hardy chap. This tall fellow looks a lot more like George H.W. Bush than the famous photo of the alleged Bush on the Tom Flocco website!




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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-10 11:33 PM
Response to Reply #85
128. Actually, looks more and more like Bush every time I see it . . . and ...
obviously, like an Agatha Christie novel, most of those supporting the coup

were there in Dealey Plaza.

Also -- Gen. Edward G. Landsdale in the same area that Bush is seen in --

another disgusting robotic homocidal murderer -- See Landsdale and VN/Phoenix Program,

for one.

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rgbecker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 10:20 PM
Response to Reply #12
91. You might find this interesting. Bush may remember everything now...
But when he was running for president in 1988 the Reporter Miguel Acoca writes in the San Francisco Examiner that he "does not recall" making the call (To the FBI). (That story can be found on page A-11 , August 25, 1988). Seems Bush was in Dallas on the evening of the 21st (In 1963 running for the Senate) speaking to the American Association of Oil Drilling Contractors and possibly spending the night and leaving for Tyler, from which he made the tip call to the FBI on the 22. Then flew back to Dallas, we don't know why and did not stay at the Sheraton for the night, but flew straight home. In fact he was speaking to the Kiwanis in Tyler at a luncheon meeting at the moment of the Assassination. Why he needed to forget making the call to the FBI or just plain forgot, is hard to tell, but it would be an odd thing to forget about that particular event. Most everyone I know can remember everything that happened that whole weekend, and few of those people made a call to anybody suggesting a possible killer.

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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 10:30 PM
Response to Reply #91
95. And you find this odd why??? n/t
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 10:30 PM
Response to Reply #91
96. And you find this odd why??? n/t
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BlueGirlRedState Donating Member (416 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 11:49 AM
Response to Original message
10. I remember
I was 8 but I remember getting on the school bus and a teacher told the bus driver what had happened. I remember watching all of the aftermath on TV.

Last summer, my husband and I went to the School Book Depository museum in Dallas. It was absolutely chilling to see all the newspapers and video of what was happening before the shooting. I never knew how bad it was, and when I saw it I recognized the parallels to today.

And now is worse than last summer (which was pretty bad).
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Iggo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 12:06 PM
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14. I was 2.
Edited on Fri Mar-26-10 12:08 PM by Iggo
But I lived through the sixties, taking for granted that political leaders could be gunned down at any moment. THAT I haven't forgotten.
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RobinA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 03:01 PM
Response to Reply #14
63. I Was Five
and grew up with the same feeling. I just figured the 60's were "normal."
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 10:32 PM
Response to Reply #63
99. And it didn't help that we learned in school that there were two
great presidents - Washington and Lincoln, and we all knew what happened to Lincoln. I think, in a subtle way, it set us up for accepting assassination as, if not normal, not un-normal.
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 12:20 PM
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17. I was in High School but
Edited on Fri Mar-26-10 12:20 PM by lunatica
Depending on what you believe he was either killed by a lone gunman who didn't belong to any militant group or as the conspiracy believers say a group of people in the government, like George Herbert Walker Bush and LBJ or the mafia. All were/are notoriously quiet publicly, unlike your regular teabagger who likes to scream at the top of his/her lungs.

These people are so loud they can't sneak up on a deaf person much less a state of the art Presidential limousine which has undergone vast upgrades since John Kennedy's assassination and can withstand small bombs.

Loud vociferous hatred towards Presidents has a long history, but all Presidents who have been assassinated or wounded were attacked by totally unknown persons who planned everything far removed from the public view.
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hatesthegop Donating Member (165 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 12:26 PM
Response to Reply #17
19. I firmly believe
that the assassination was planned by the GOP right wing and allowed to happen by the red neck Dallas police force who turned a blind eye to the possibility. I firmly believe that Oswald was a set up and had no real bearing on the assassination..grassy knoll anyone?
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 12:31 PM
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21. No one cares what you "believe", dude.
Edited on Fri Mar-26-10 12:32 PM by SDuderstadt
Do you have proof of your claims?

If you don't, then how are we any different than the GOP in that respect? Shouldn't we be different?
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 12:52 PM
Response to Reply #21
26. Well, it's clear that SOME of us aren't "any different than the GOP"
Possibly those who are constantly posting to defend them from any accusations...........

Yes, Oswald acted alone, the Federal Reserve is a neighborhood mom and pop bank, and the laws of physics were kind enough to suspend themselves on Sept 11, 2001 just so we could fight a war on terraism.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm late for a surfing competition in Tucson. :rofl:
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 01:03 PM
Response to Reply #26
29. Asking for proof of accusations isn't...
Edited on Fri Mar-26-10 01:21 PM by SDuderstadt
"defending them", dude.

I find it ironic that you're employing a GOP tactic by smearing me by implying I'm GOP simply because I ask for proof, when it's clear that the GOP places such little value on facts and evidence.

I have consistently called for the indictment, prosecution and conviction of W, dude. Does that sound like "defending them" to you? I'll ask you one last time politely to cease your smears, dude. Your choice.
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musette_sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 01:44 PM
Response to Reply #26
43. + 1
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 10:54 PM
Response to Reply #26
106. Well, I believe Oswald acted alone.
I also believe his actions had nothing to do with assassinating Kennedy.
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 02:52 PM
Response to Reply #21
57. "No one cares"?! Bullshit, I CARE.
What I don't care for is an obnoxious bully with a superiority complex. Where the fuck do you get off making judgments on behalf of everyone regarding what we care about? How are you any different from the GOP in that respect?

It's a rhetorical question, actually, I'm not in the slightest bit interested in your self-serving response to this. I would have put you on my ignore list years ago, but I thought I wouldn't have to since I tend to stay out of the Coincidence Theorist Dungeon you belong in. I'll correct that mistake now.
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hatesthegop Donating Member (165 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 02:58 PM
Response to Reply #57
60. Thank you!
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 02:59 PM
Response to Reply #57
61. So, belief trumps proof?
Interesting.
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 04:57 PM
Response to Reply #21
75. I care Dude...
:eyes:
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 06:51 PM
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77. Great!
Maybe you can provide the proof no one else can. When did GHW Bush state he couldn't remember where he was on 11/22/63 and to whom did he say it? Surely, SOMEONE must have this info!
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 09:23 PM
Response to Reply #77
86. What dude? I just told you I care what other people have to say Dude.
Not whether or not I believe Poppa's story. K, Dude?

From the looks of it, unless Poppa Bush calls you himself, you aren't going to take it as proof, Dude. Why bother, Dude?
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 10:28 PM
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93. So, I'll put you down as a "no" too...
So far, I think we're 0 for 12 or something like that. Hmmmm.
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 10:32 PM
Response to Reply #93
98. Do you not get it?
Edited on Fri Mar-26-10 10:33 PM by ScreamingMeemie
I don't give two pins whether there is proof or not. Like I said, you would need a signed confession.

I give pins about rudeness. This is a discussion board. If you "don't care" what people think, show yourself to the door.

Got it through your head now??? :eyes: I am guessing it's too much for you to handle so... with that, welcome to ignore. :hi:
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 10:35 PM
Response to Reply #98
101. "I don't give two pins whether there is proof or not"
Really? Interesting standard of evidence. Are you okay when the GOP does that?

Actually, if Bush signed a confession, you would really have something. As of right now, you've got dick.
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 10:28 PM
Response to Reply #86
94. So, I'll put you down as a "no" too...
So far, I think we're 0 for 12 or something like that. Hmmmm.
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tonysam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 09:02 PM
Response to Reply #19
83. God,I can't take this garbage.
Oswald did it, and he acted alone. I wish people would quit falling for the conspiracy cottage industry.
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 10:31 PM
Response to Reply #83
97. I'm with you TS....
it really is remarkable trying to deal with hardcore JFK assassination CT types.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 10:47 PM
Response to Reply #17
105. Not all - there were extensive FBI and CIA files on Oswald.
He had a rather high profile for such a non-entity.

And "all...totally unknown persons" would have to include John Wilkes Booth, who was the Brad Pitt of his day - the fifth highest paid actor in America, brother to the greatest thespian of the 19th century, son of an equally famous actor, and he was also known to be a southern agent by northern intelligence, who smuggled medicine across the lines to the south.

Makes you kind of wonder if other 'lone gunmen' were also well known to the PTB, but were successfully covered up.
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-10 09:04 AM
Response to Reply #105
120. That's true but I was trying to compare the screaming racists to real
historical assassins. By totally unknown I mean unknown to the general public. And I'm quite confident that there are people who are being watched today. I know I heard that the FBI had said someplace that the home grown radical groups were growing and I believe it. People like McVeigh, only maybe belonging to a 'formal' group like skinheads rather than being part of a small group. The Arian Nation Supremacists have been salivating for a race war for generations, and I'm sure they believe this is an opportunity too good to miss. There would definitely be some bad blood fallout if they managed to follow through. If we think we're being torn apart now I shudder to think what would happen on a societal level.

Anyway thanks for your examples. They're quite true.

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GentryDixon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 12:39 PM
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23. I wonder where Poppy is?
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frogmarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 12:43 PM
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24. I was 19 and remember it well.
I saw it all transpire on TV. It seemed surreal. I kept waiting for Cronkite to correct the reports, saying they were not true.

I also saw Oswald get shot on live TV.

It was an awful, awful, awful time.

I am afraid for our Congress people. After the recent party crashers fiasco, I worry about Obama's safety too.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 10:59 PM
Response to Reply #24
107. People getting through security is one thing -
people getting through security with guns is quite another. If either of the crashers was armed they'd have never gotten within a hundred yards of the Pres.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 01:04 PM
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30. I pray Obama has better secret service agents than Kennedy did (SS stand down video):
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 01:15 PM
Response to Reply #30
32. Jesus, here we go again...
this is just warmed-over JFK assassination CT nonsense. The video has NO audio and was shot at Love Field. How does this, in any way, prove the SS was ordered to "stand down"?
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 01:39 PM
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41. Just because it has no audio it doesn't show a stand down? Really?
Then please explain the fact the agent lifts his arms in confusion AND WHY THERE ARE NO SS AGENTS RIDING ON THE CAR. :eyes:

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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 02:56 PM
Response to Reply #41
58. How does the agent raising his arms in confusion...
prove there was a "stand-down"? You're making a bunch of unwarranted assumptions. The fact that there is no audio allows CT's to make all sorts of goofy claims.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 11:01 PM
Response to Reply #58
108. An audio of a stand down order is quite unnecessary when the
video shows them STANDING DOWN.

They start to take their positions, then stop. Then, they are not riding on the car.

What would YOU call it?
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 11:04 PM
Response to Reply #108
110. I would call it....
Edited on Fri Mar-26-10 11:24 PM by SDuderstadt
stupid to ride on the car when it would be moving fast along the route.

Funny, not one SS agent has come forward in the years since and said they were ordered to stand-down. More importantly, if you read Rybka's statement, he was actually assigned to guard AF 1, not be on the motorcade.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 11:57 PM
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114. Moving fast?
How fast was the car moving?
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-10 12:47 AM
Response to Reply #114
115. Dude...
Edited on Sat Mar-27-10 01:32 AM by SDuderstadt
look at the motorcade route. You know where they were going from Dealey Plaza, right? Hint: they had to get on the Stemmons Freeway to get there. Duh.
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-10 03:14 AM
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116. This is just more JFK assassination CT nonsense....
Edited on Sat Mar-27-10 03:26 AM by SDuderstadt
here's a picture of a JFK motorcade in Hawaii:



Here's a picture of a JFK motorcade in Cork, Ireland:



Does anyone notice the similarity to Dallas?

That's right...people are watching the motorcade from tall buildings.

Does everyone notice what's missing?

That's right...there are no SSA's riding on the back of the limo. He's also STANDING UP in the limo. BTW, do you also notice how the claim of the "stand-down" contradicts a key tenet of the CT "community"? Hint: if the claim that the fact that no SSA'a were riding on the bumper of the car is supposedly proof of "stand-down" that enabled JFK's murder, isn't that a de facto admission that the shots came from the rear? Like maybe from the TSBD, where LHO was? I thought the CT "community" theory (and I use that word loosely) is that at least one shot was fired from the "grassy knoll".

Secret Service "stand-down", my ass. This claim is just more JFK assassination CT "community" nonsense.

Nearly 47 years, guys. Almost five decades and you've got dick. You can't even develop a coherent, consistent theory of that day.

When are you guys going to crack this case? What are you waiting for?
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 01:31 PM
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36. I remember it well (I was 16). But do we really need to go there in an OP? nt
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 01:38 PM
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39. Indeed, I do. I am writing an essay about it.
The horror of that event still haunts me to this day. We had such hope back then. Half the country mourned, the other half danced in the streets.
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Scout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 01:39 PM
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40. sort of ... i was only 4 years and not quite 2 months old n/t
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Citizen Kang Donating Member (424 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 01:42 PM
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42. Obama is NOT JFK
Obama is one of "them". JFK tried to reform the banksters and special interests and was shot for doing it in a public execution.

Obama is doing the bidding of these same banksters and special interests.

He bailed out the banks, he bailed out the health insurers, he's increased military spending.

Obama will NOT be assassinated. He is one of "them".
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 03:06 PM
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67. Sometimes there really are lone nuts.
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Hawaii Hiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 01:50 PM
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47. Has anyone ever seen this movie about the assassination
Edited on Fri Mar-26-10 01:51 PM by Hawaii Hiker
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Action_ (film)

Called Executive Action, made in 1973...

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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 11:03 PM
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109. I saw it when it came out but not since.
I would LOVE to see it again, knowing what I now know about the players.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-10 07:35 PM
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141. Yes ... fanatastic movie -- Burt Landcaster, Robert Ryan . . .
Edited on Mon Mar-29-10 07:37 PM by defendandprotect
The grandpa from Walton's . . .

Haven't see it in a while and they issued another movie with that title --

that used to be taboo. Now they do it all the time.

I didn't see it when it first came out - not until a long while later when they showed it

on TV. I knew there had been a conspiracy, of course, but this brought so much together.

And, even today, it holds up very well.

Do you have a copy of it, or where did you see it -- TV?



PS: Of course, over the last decade or so with right wing rising again there hasn't been

much on right wing political violence on TV. They knocked out the History Channel/Discovery

Channel which did the TMWKK -- Clear Channel owns it now!



:)
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 02:40 PM
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52. Too many DUers refuse to see similarities...
to the rise of authoritarian governments in history and the acts going on now. It's amazing to see the mental gymnastics and pretzel logic employed in the denials. The similarities to the rise of the Nazis is frightening to me, and I am one cynical sonofabitch.
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hatesthegop Donating Member (165 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 03:00 PM
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62. This exactly where I was going with this
until everybody wanted to rehash assassination theories!
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 03:15 PM
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69. Including your "rehashing"...
of it?

I have little doubt that some RW wacko out there (or even a group of RW wackos) relishes the thought of assassinating BHO, but that hardly means some nefarious government entity is plotting his demise or that we're slipping into Nazism.
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 03:04 PM
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64. How is Obama's election...
Edited on Fri Mar-26-10 03:05 PM by SDuderstadt
similar to the rise of the Nazis? Can you point out some of these other "similarities"?
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 11:31 PM
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113. And, I do...
Edited on Fri Mar-26-10 11:34 PM by SDuderstadt
it's interesting you would describe the Weimar Republic as "liberal, democratic".

You might want to talk to Alan Bullock or William Shirer about that. Of course, that might be a little difficult because they're both dead.

Are you really suggesting we're developing a rising Nazi Party here?

"The Nazis are coming! The Nazis are coming! Aaaaiiieeee!"
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 09:00 PM
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82. You're overreacting.
Small similarities do not mean the situation or outcome is the same.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-10 07:47 PM
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143. Huge similarities . . . between the assassinations and the players . . .
There is only one way the right wing can rise -- and that's on political

violence -- rw propaganda/lies -- and stolen elections.

And we've had them all over the last 50 years and more!!

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zappaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-10 07:52 PM
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144. Really?
You really believe that is the only way the right wing can advance?
Wow.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-10 08:55 PM
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146. All the right wing systems are based on violence . . .
Patriarchy, organized patriarchal religion, capitalism . . .


Did you miss the 2000 election?

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-10 07:41 PM
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142. Presume you're familiar with "Operation Paperclip" . . . ??
Edited on Mon Mar-29-10 07:44 PM by defendandprotect
They brought in tens of thousands of Nazis and their families and Allen

Dulles used them to found the CIA and funneled them into FBI -- NASA --

and other government agencies.

There is only one way the right wing can rise anywhere -- political violence,

rw propaganda, lies - stolen elections.


http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=Operation+Paperclip&to...

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tonysam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 02:57 PM
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59. Yes. I was in third grade and we were sent home early.
I watched the whole television coverage with my parents and siblings.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 03:05 PM
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65. I think so!! Not to mention 1968.
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NOLALady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 04:50 PM
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74. I remember it well.
I was in high school.

I also remember that LBJ signed the civil rights bill the following year. JFK was assassinated but that didn't stop progress.
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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 07:46 PM
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79. Eric Cantor stole the magic bullet
More seriously, this date and the implications surrounding it's events should never be forgotten...
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 09:09 PM
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84. Yes it was a relatively warm afternoon, my 7th grade class was out on the playground
playing softball and kickball when our teacher Mr. Boccollo came running outside and ordered everyone in from the playground. We were gathered in the auditorium and were told by the Principal that John F. Kennedy, our President, had been shot in Texas. What we did not know was that the teachers had been calling our parents (back then, virtually NO mother worked) to come and meet us at school to take us home. later that afternoon, we saw on CBS that President Kennedy had died. I remember the terrible sense of loss my parents had. And a few years later when I had learned to become politically aware, I too learned how terrible his loss was.

I do not now turn the other cheeck, and call out these scumbags at every opportunity. President Obama NEEDS to give the order to get tough with these thugs NOW. I worry more than ever for our President's life.

This time, I would not stand idly by if an attempt was made on his life.
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BlueDemKev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 09:33 PM
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87. Security
I agree that the emotional instability of the right-wingers is a cause for concern. Fortunately, the security around the president is much tighter today than it was back in 1963. For one thing, presidents can no longer ride around in open cars. However, I am equally concerned for the Democratic Congressmen and Senators who've been the target of threats. Their security is minimal compared to the president's.
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 10:37 PM
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102. The really hard thing about this is....
I doubt we'd ever see the actual level of security. I'm hoping it's there but I, too, worry for their safety. We don't really know what these RW nuts are capable of.
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Sparky 1 Donating Member (136 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 09:49 PM
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90. Well said, and we need to call them out online too, in lots of places...
There are many bipartisan sites on the web where contards spew their lies and bile. We need to be on all those sites and when we see them post lies, get right back up (politely but truthfully) in their faces. Call them out when they post lies. Set them straight. Give url sources. Spread truth. Talk with neighbors and friends and find out what lies they believe. We can turn things around, but it's going to take all hands on deck.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-10 07:57 PM
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145. The evidence is certainly there . . . but the most
depressing reality I've heard on this is . . .

"No one has the power to bring the truth forward" -- Yikes!!

Some day soon, I hope!

That's why the right wing has to hold onto power/government --

one investigation would put them all in jail!

:)
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Zoigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 10:32 PM
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100. Remember it well. Was in class teaching when a parent came in and
quietly told me what had happened....z
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 11:05 PM
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111. Yes, I do..I was
Edited on Fri Mar-26-10 11:05 PM by Cha
19 and driving down the road in Phoenix, Arizona..I had to pull off to the side and stop the car.

Yes, it could happen again but I hope that if it's ever attempted that the SS will thwart it...throw the sucker in prison and throw away the key.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-10 08:18 AM
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119. I was only 7 weeks old. But I can tell you today is totally different from 1963
Edited on Sat Mar-27-10 08:19 AM by Bucky
Back then the crazy was limited to Dallas and a few neighborhoods around Miami.
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misanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-10 03:10 PM
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124. I don't remember it as I was still gestating...
...but I recall reading about the celebrations that broke out across the South following the assassination. So, in that sense, I could see the parallels with the present.

Interesting you bring up Gen. Walker considering that a certain disgruntled Dallas man (who defected to the USSR and then back to the USA) was the chief suspect in that botched killing but somehow never came under Secret Service scrutiny when the POTUS came to town a few months later.
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Omaha Steve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-10 06:56 PM
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127. I remember it all to well

I was home sick from school. 1st grade.

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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-10 11:41 PM
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129. I wasn't born yet, But I have visited Dealey Plaza.
It's a haunting place.

I don't believe President Obama is doing anything to really piss off the men behind the curtain so I think he's safe.
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-10 01:14 AM
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132. No, can't say I remember that far back n/t
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Monk06 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-10 04:11 AM
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133. I was in Fort Churchill Manitoba when JFK was assassinated all the SAC personnel

and their families were given 48 hrs notice to
evacuate to the US. We Canadians got to stay.

Thanky for your support SAC.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-10 04:17 AM
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134. do you also believe protestors who called george bush a "liar" a/o "baby killer"
lived under rocks & were threats to democracy & liable to be assassinators?




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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-10 09:05 AM
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137. "assassinators"?
What a totally incoherent post...
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