Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Revealed: Ashcroft, Tenet, Rumsfeld warned 9/11 Commission about ‘Line’ it ’Should Not Cross’...

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
Home » Discuss » Topic Forums » September 11 Donate to DU
 
Indi Guy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 09:28 PM
Original message
Revealed: Ashcroft, Tenet, Rumsfeld warned 9/11 Commission about ‘Line’ it ’Should Not Cross’...
Source: Raw Story

Senior Bush administration officials sternly cautioned the 9/11 Commission against probing too deeply into the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, according to a document recently obtained by the ACLU.

The notification came in a letter dated January 6, 2004, addressed by Attorney General John Ashcroft, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld and CIA Director George J. Tenet. The ACLU described it as a fax sent by David Addington, then-counsel to former vice president Dick Cheney.

In the message, the officials denied the bipartisan commission's request to question terrorist detainees, informing its two senior-most members that doing so would "cross" a "line" and obstruct the administration's ability to protect the nation.

"In response to the Commission's expansive requests for access to secrets, the executive branch has provided such access in full cooperation," the letter read. "There is, however, a line that the Commission should not cross -- the line separating the Commission's proper inquiry into the September 11, 2001 attacks from interference with the Government's ability to safeguard the national security, including protection of Americans from future terrorist attacks."...


Read more: http://rawstory.com/2010/03/revealed-ashcroft-tenet-rum... /
Refresh | +70 Recommendations Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 09:31 PM
Response to Original message
1. The more information that comes out the more a federal
investigation is needed.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
naaman fletcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 09:44 PM
Response to Reply #1
7. Wasn't the 9/11 a federal investigation?
What makes you think another one would produce a different result?
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 09:57 PM
Response to Reply #7
12. it was a federal farce!
not an investigation!
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
naaman fletcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 10:27 PM
Response to Reply #12
20. well sure..
my point though was that calling for a federal investigation does not really help things, it will just be another political committee.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 10:34 PM
Response to Reply #20
23. understood and sadly you're right. n/t
Edited on Wed Mar-17-10 10:36 PM by wildbilln864
:hi:
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 10:59 PM
Response to Reply #20
28. No it wouldn't be just another political committee if sent to trial in a US court unless a
set-up was created and some people were paid off.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 12:55 PM
Response to Reply #28
81. Send an investigation to trial?
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-10 08:37 PM
Response to Reply #12
131. I don't think they spent 1/10th of what they spent on Clinton/Blue dress on 9/11!!
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 10:57 PM
Response to Reply #7
26. Cheney and Bush refused to allow a criminal investigation. They said NO plainly.T
This investigation was only allowed to look at the role of agencies to see what happened in the exchange of intelligence and to make recommendations.

Note the date in the article - the start of the Commission was 14 months after 9/11.

There was a stand-off for that period of time.

In the first bombing of the WTC there was a criminal investigation, judge jury trial, and the prosecutors won and the bombers were jailed. This was under the administration of Bill Clinton, who I'm pretty sure never raised his voice about the avoidance of a criminal trial of the 9/11 events.

In this bombing, Cheney declared war against Iraq after building it up.

Repeat - they WOULD NOT allow a criminal investigation. That is why someone here called the 9/11 Commission a farce.

It was a farce in other ways - it was pussy footing. With no insults to cats.

When the Commission was first allowed - Cheney chose Kissinger to run it. A cry and hue made them back off.

I lost respect for all the members of the Commission. I heard the statments and watched and read what I could, but it made me sick.

Instaed of a trial we got a deck of cards - 52 cards with the photos and names of the villans. It was turned into a joke plus an illusion.

It was a time and money waster that created the illusion of an investiagation.

The bombers were never looked at. They came out in a matter of hours with the names and photos of the bomber, plus, if you remember, they said they found the passport of Atta on the ground at the foot of the tower. There are tales surrounding that claim. Some reports insist that some of the 19 are living in various countries in Africa and the ME.

Maybe someone else will counter my opinion and tell you that this farce was all that was necessary and why.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
naaman fletcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 10:59 PM
Response to Reply #26
27. Oh I see, you think now with Obama in things will be different. good luck with that. nt.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 11:06 PM
Response to Reply #27
30. Where the heck did I say that?
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
teknomanzer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 02:29 AM
Response to Reply #26
63. I wanna play... :)
I'll tell you why the farce was necessary, and I doubt you will disagree with me. Because finding the TRUTHFUL facts about the events would send this country into a goddamn tailspin. Better to go through the motions than to stir the pot.

No doubt the 9/11 commission members read between the lines on this one. If you squint really hard you can see it there, it says "We will tell you where the fucking line is."
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 07:25 PM
Response to Reply #26
95. Google PENTTBOM
It's silly to claim there was no federal investigation.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Drops_not_Dope Donating Member (362 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 11:16 AM
Response to Reply #95
119. You're the silly one
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=...

Full Film - 9/11: World Trade Center Attack, Embedded and Streaming here!

The long awaited release from Pilots For 9/11 Truth analyzing the events which took place in New York City on the morning of the 11th of September 2001. Analysis includes Black Box Recovery, Radar and Speed data analysis, Aircraft Control, and "Hijacker" Pilot Skill. Interviews with 757/767 Captains from United and American Airlines.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 11:26 AM
Response to Reply #119
121. So, do you deny there were federal investigations of 9/11?
Have you actually read any of the reports from any of the various federal investigations?
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Drops_not_Dope Donating Member (362 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 11:29 AM
Response to Reply #121
122. so, I see you haven't even watched the video
I'm denying nothing.

You Are.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 11:36 AM
Response to Reply #122
123. Please tell me specifically what I am...
"denying", dude.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Drops_not_Dope Donating Member (362 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 10:26 AM
Response to Reply #123
124. hey studders
you're such a baiter. Always an argument brewing in your mind.

Watch the video.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 10:33 AM
Response to Reply #124
125.  I DID watch the video...
Edited on Sun Mar-21-10 10:50 AM by SDuderstadt
my name isn't "studders", dude, and it's still stupid to claim there was no federal investigation of 9/11.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Drops_not_Dope Donating Member (362 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 11:38 AM
Response to Reply #125
127. yes it is stupid
to make that claim, which I did not do.

I'm busy Dude so I won't be debating with you, have a good day.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 10:30 PM
Response to Reply #1
22. we need an independent investigation
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
abqmufc Donating Member (590 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 12:03 AM
Response to Reply #22
37. what is "independent"?
World Court? We (the U.S.) won't allow such a concept. Can we adequately address this issue w/o bias? Are we prepared to deal with what ugly truth may be hidden?

I am...but I also recall the scenes of LA when R. King court cases occurred. What may lie behind this is something most won't be ready to handle.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
nebenaube Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 01:28 AM
Response to Reply #37
55. Actually,...
If the U.N. was a functioning body like the globalists embrace they would investigate and act... It doesn't really matter because we've seen this pattern before and we know how it ends...
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 01:04 PM
Response to Reply #37
82. Yet, Rodney King ultimately prevailed, following the rule of law.
When we start shying away from the rule of law, stick a fork in us.

In fact, we've strayed so many times already, with so little public outcry, it may already be too late.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 06:38 PM
Response to Reply #22
115. Independent from what? nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 09:34 PM
Response to Original message
2. Kicked and recommended.
Thanks for the thread, Indi Guy.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Electric Monk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 09:37 PM
Response to Original message
3. Of course they did.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Newsjock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 09:39 PM
Response to Original message
4. Dungeon in 3, 2, 1 ...
A shame, too.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 09:42 PM
Response to Reply #4
6. Always is.
But I guess it's 'tidier" that way.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 09:45 PM
Response to Reply #4
9. I am sure if they asked for echelon data from the NSA
they would get denied as well.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Indi Guy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 02:14 AM
Response to Reply #4
61. Hard news is different...
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
TheWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 06:37 AM
Response to Reply #61
69. Apparently, It's NOT.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 09:39 PM
Response to Original message
5. "...a line that the Commission should not cross..." = don't investigate our heinous crimes
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
troubledamerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 09:44 PM
Response to Original message
8. If we saw this happening in Colombia or Panama, we'd say "Of course. Organized crime + military"
But America is so clean and special and unique and excepted from history. There are no conspiracies in the U.S., we're told ... (by most DUers, no less).
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 09:46 PM
Response to Reply #8
10. Only the Great USA
is allowed to run like a banana republic :crazy:
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Indi Guy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 09:58 PM
Response to Reply #10
13. You mean as opposed to actually running banana republics...
...via the CIA ? :shrug:
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 10:57 AM
Response to Reply #8
126. Could you point to anyone here who...
denies the existence of conspiracies? Take your time.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 09:55 PM
Response to Original message
11. how soon till this gets sent to the dungeon?
Frankly, it shouldn't, but it will. :(
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
mikita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 09:59 PM
Response to Reply #11
14. soon grasshopper K & R
soon :(
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Indi Guy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 10:19 PM
Response to Reply #11
17. This is hard news n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
TheWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 12:48 AM
Response to Reply #17
45. But The Official Myth is a very special and protected religion, and ANYTHING that even bucks it in
Edited on Thu Mar-18-10 12:49 AM by TheWatcher
even the REMOTEST way has to be silenced.

Never let it be said this isn't a Site that values the Truth.

As long as it is the "correct" and "accepted" Truth.

How can we continue to be a nation of weak, cowardly, unquestioning jellyfish if this policy is not enforced?

It's for our own "safety."

Never forget that the "Men In Caves" are always "watching" and "out to get us" because we are so "awesomely free."

Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 10:00 PM
Response to Original message
15. thank you and k&r! nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
SlingBlade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 10:05 PM
Response to Original message
16. HEY ! What did President Obama say about this crap ?
Edited on Wed Mar-17-10 10:12 PM by SlingBlade
You people need to watch what you say !

Think I'm Not Watching ?



Obama would ask his AG to "immediately review" potential of crimes in Bush White House

Tonight I had an opportunity to ask Barack Obama a question that is on the minds of many Americans, yet rarely rises to the surface in the great ruckus of the 2008 presidential race -- and that is whether an Obama administration would seek to prosecute officials of a former Bush administration on the revelations that they greenlighted torture, or for other potential crimes that took place in the White House.

Obama said that as president he would indeed ask his new Attorney General and his deputies to "immediately review the information that's already there" and determine if an inquiry is warranted -- but he also tread carefully on the issue, in line with his reputation for seeking to bridge the partisan divide. He worried that such a probe could be spun as "a partisan witch hunt." However, he said that equation changes if there was willful criminality, because "nobody is above the law."

more if you have the stomach for it HERE:
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/attytood/Barack_on_t...
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 10:24 PM
Response to Reply #16
19. No I don't have the stomach, because we all know that not a damn thing will be done
along this line. The criminals will go free and that's just the way it is.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Indi Guy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 10:27 PM
Response to Reply #16
21. No, I don't have the stomach for more...
Besides, I can predict what more he has to say. Clearly Obama (being a Constitutional law professor) knows all too well the repercussions of not holding his predecessors accountable for their high crimes (let alone their misdemeanors). Sadly, he's sold us out on this account.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 10:34 PM
Response to Reply #16
24. this really is the single determining factor as to whether obama gets my vote or not..
if he fails to investigate and prosecute like clinton, we're assured of seeing these fuckers back in power.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 01:11 PM
Response to Reply #24
83. Clinton did not prosecute an administration. That's a huge difference.
As far as 911, we've determined that Osama bin laden, Al Qaeda nd the 19 who died that day are responsible. Supposedly, we've been hunting Bin Laden and his lieutenants ever since 911.

It's the Bush Administration Obama declines to prosecute. I heartily disapprove of that, but it has nothing to do with Clinton.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 10:20 PM
Response to Original message
18. There should absolutely be another investigation into this farce. One big problem
allot of the evidence has been disappeared by now.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Politicalboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 10:50 PM
Response to Original message
25. Nothing to see here
2.3 Trillion dollars gone from Pentagon 09/10/01. Nothing here either. Pentagon has 35 minutes to guard against terror attacks in D.C and does NOTHING. Like I said nothing to see here. Those "terrorist" sure had a lot of power. LOL!
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 11:05 PM
Response to Reply #25
29. I believe it is 4.3 and at the same time money was taken from HUD. They had to have
Edited on Wed Mar-17-10 11:05 PM by peacetalksforall
money to pay off the coalition partners and tribe leaders so that they could get the Shi-ites and Sunnis and Kurds fighting each other, plus rake offs to the likes of Bremer and all the military, plus they had to pay contractors like Halliburton Kellogg Blackwater Dyn Northrup and on and on.

Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Indi Guy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 12:13 AM
Response to Reply #29
41. Secret Money Transfers - Amount to...
...secret transfers of power.

The unimaginable amount of monies unaccountably transferred by the Pentagon must translate into unimaginable secret power at work.

Good people do things in the open. Good causes are open to public review.

Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 09:32 AM
Response to Reply #41
71. Nine words - very powerful. I've never heard anyone express it like that and the truth
of it just jumps out at me. Thanks.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
pjt7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 11:31 PM
Response to Reply #25
31. Obviously our Press has a similar line drawn
for 9.l1 & they still refuse to report the straight facts.

Huffington Post rejected a op-ed by Jessie Ventura this week on 9.11
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 01:07 AM
Response to Reply #31
52. 9/11 is off limits, even for Holder and Obama. n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 01:13 PM
Response to Reply #25
84. Well, after all, the CIC was not available to give orders. He hadn't finished reading My Pet Goat.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
ColesCountyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 11:45 PM
Response to Original message
32. Next stop, the Dungeon. n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 11:54 PM
Response to Reply #32
33. Surely we can talk about it here?
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
ColesCountyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 12:11 AM
Response to Reply #33
39. Not under the rules we can't, I don't think.
For good or bad, 9/11 stuff goes in the Dungeon.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Indi Guy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 12:20 AM
Response to Reply #33
42. Once again - This is hard news n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
TheWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 12:54 AM
Response to Reply #42
46. And again, may I remind you that ANYTHING that puts the REAL Criminals at risk is NOT HARD NEWS.
Edited on Thu Mar-18-10 12:56 AM by TheWatcher
It is dangerous kookery that has to be immediately silenced for our own good.

If people start to think for themselves, the seas will boil, the skies will fall, dogs, cats, living together.....Mass Hysteria.

oh, and The Terrorists will win.

And chuckle inside their caves.

With their iPhones.

Now, we return you to the Ninth Season of American Idol, already in Progress.

Will Ryan actually square off and bitchslap Simon LIVE?!!!!!

Focus on the important things!

You're an AMERICAN!

And Good Americans Don't Question Anything.

Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 01:04 AM
Response to Reply #46
48. I'm just about sick and goddamned tired of this being a taboo issue, both here
and in the general media. Or, hell, even at the water cooler. It's seems 9/11 isn't allowed to be discussed...well, just about anywhere.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
TheWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 02:09 AM
Response to Reply #48
59. It's Kind of funny how that is the case, isn't it?
It makes one wonder why everyone from the White House to The Water Cooler don't want ANYONE talking about this.

Why so many are SO DESPERATE to keep it silent.

After all, we know the COMPLETE Truth.

Don't we?
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 02:35 AM
Response to Reply #48
65. There's the big old Internet. Don't let us keep you. n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Indi Guy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 10:50 AM
Response to Reply #65
76. What is that supposed to mean?...
Are you suggesting that people shouldn't feel frustrated by the lack of reporting & transparency surrounding 9/11?
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 01:05 AM
Response to Reply #33
49. Well, as you well know, Rosa, the sharks in the dungeon have
to be fed regularly. Boredom makes them VERY hungry.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 02:33 AM
Response to Reply #49
64. Have you guys not realized that talking this way is guaranteed to send these posts to that forum?
Jeezum Crow. It's called self-fulfilling prophecy. Look it up.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 01:11 PM
Response to Reply #64
110. +1...nt
Sid
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 11:55 PM
Response to Original message
34. Cheney/Rumsfeld tried to cover their tracks
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 11:56 PM
Response to Original message
35. That so-called commission existed for the sole purpose of
appeasing the families of the 9/11 victims who were demanding an investigation. What they got was a joke. An underfunded panel of political toadies who were content not to do much of anything except make some recommendations as to how to supposedly avoid a future attack. The whole thing was an embarrassment and an out and out insult to those 9/11 families who will never get close to the truth.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
colsohlibgal Donating Member (670 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 11:56 PM
Response to Original message
36. No Surprise
Hopefully this will spur a real, independent, impartial, and thorough investigation of the whole event. There is a lot that most people don't know thanks to our corporate big media, like the lengthy and extensive relationship between the Bush family and the Bin Laden family.

Here are a few good sites with unique perspectives:

http://pilotsfor911truth.org /

http://patriotsquestion911.com /

Needless to say there are some professionals, pilots among them and military among them, who don't buy the fiction that's now standing as "truth".

Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 12:03 AM
Response to Original message
38. "National security" is enslaving the nation to the corporate-MIC . . .
"Secrecy" is not democracy --

Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Indi Guy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 01:18 AM
Response to Reply #38
54. Bingo! n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Festivito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 12:12 AM
Response to Original message
40. They had a point. It's over now. Questions anyone?
Let's have another investigation and put Americans back to work investigating. We are a service economy after all.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 12:37 AM
Response to Original message
43.  And who has been arrested? Nada.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 01:06 AM
Response to Reply #43
50. Not one head rolled as a result of 9/11, the worst crime in our history. n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
JohnnyBoots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 10:03 AM
Response to Reply #50
73. In fact, people were given medals...
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
LaPera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 12:39 AM
Response to Original message
44. Does anyone recall Cheney threatening Dem leader Tom Daschle not to push
Edited on Thu Mar-18-10 01:04 AM by LaPera
for more wide open, aggressive, investigative 9-11 hearings?

Senate democratic minority leader Daschle knew there was a lot more to 9-11 than what was being disclosed by the republicans & the Bush administration, yet Daschle backed off because of Cheney's hardcore threats and Daschle unfortunately did as he was told....

Daschle, by backing off was expecting to be able too keep his Senate seat and be left alone for doing so....but republicans have no scruples nor honesty and instead viciously came after Daschle when Daschle was up for re-election in 2004 - republicans spent a ton of money, trashed & lied and defeated Daschle anyway....

This should be a lesson to ALL Democrats who think if they play ball with the two-faced republicans what to expect, not only will the arrogant republicans still come after you...but you will lose your soul & self respect after the republicans mockingly & vindictively defeat you.

Stand up for what you believe!
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
SlingBlade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 01:44 AM
Response to Reply #44
57. Yea, Daschle backed away but thats what Antrhax will do
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 07:16 PM
Response to Reply #44
92. Excellent points . . . and the "Anthrax" certainly did work . . . plus if you
recall Daschle openly complaining about being demonized -- called a Devil, etal!!

I don't understand how all of these people didn't come together after being targeted

by the right wing over decades to fight this fascism?

Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 12:58 AM
Response to Original message
47. thank goodness for LBN! nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Indi Guy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 01:44 AM
Response to Reply #47
56. Exactly Correct -- Hopefully LBN will stay true to itself...
...and I believe it will.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 11:01 AM
Response to Reply #56
77. nope, throw hard breaking news in the bin with anything considered tinfoil
dumb

:banghead:
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
WileEcoyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 01:06 AM
Response to Original message
51. This illustrates the problem I have with Democrats who dismiss
legitimate conspiracy theory.

I consider then DINO's.

It's all eventually coming out: The Twin Towers "collapse from jet fuel" scam, media suppression of truth etc. So I have no respect for the Democrats who diss the conspiracy theorists. The legitimate ones anyway.

I'd say that as far as 9/11 is concerned we're rapidly approach the area similar to where the country was when in 1977 the HSCA reviewed the Kennedy assassination. We could have gotten here much more quickly if people from our ranks had a little more guts.

That and stopped wasting time attacking the 9/11 truthers and related friends.

The time to get on board is now. Past time actually.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 01:09 AM
Response to Reply #51
53. After everything our government and corporations have done to us, to
think that 9/11 was anything other than a false flag attack is profoundly naive.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
SlingBlade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 01:59 AM
Response to Original message
58. We can't get Single Payer even though something like 70% of
the American people want it. So these same exact corporate fucks are gonna put their
asses on the line over 9/11, Over a few thousand American lives, A few hundred billion ?

That day will NEVER come without a peoples revolution and so long as American Idol rules
that ain't happening either. People see the reality that they want to see. But us ?

We could have taken the other pill !



But now it's too late !
We're Awake, Aware and in it up to our Asses


What to do ? What to do ?

Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Indi Guy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 02:10 AM
Response to Reply #58
60. Here's What to Do...
...tell our friends and family what we know.

Of course, some will refuse at first to listen.

When they realize that we love them, they will listen.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
TheWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 02:14 AM
Response to Reply #60
62. We must NEVER Silence Our Voices even in the face of Inevitable Darkness.
Because as long as we leave that Legacy behind, someday, SOME Generation will pick up that LIGHT and blow the Darkness Away.

And they will March forward and say to these Psychotic Parasitic Cowards who are running everything into the ground "ENOUGH".

And That, Said the Cat, Will Be That.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
TheWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 05:53 AM
Response to Original message
66. YAAAAY! I knew the Gatekeepers would come through.
Edited on Thu Mar-18-10 05:58 AM by TheWatcher
The move to the "Free Speech Zone" took longer than I thought, but THANK GOD our protectors are on Watch.

And for those of you who thought differently, LET THIS SERVE as a valuable lesson to you.

Even IF it is HARD NEWS, if it endangers the Accepted Faith, it's a THOUGHT CRIME.

We now return you to your Regularly Scheduled Reality, already being Fabricated.

Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
SlingBlade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 09:38 AM
Response to Reply #66
72. WOW ! Shit Canned like a bunch of slack jawed newbies
Edited on Thu Mar-18-10 09:40 AM by SlingBlade
I've been here almost since the beginning and have seen some weird shit
but this takes the golden ring. WTF ?

I made the mistake of using the same screen name here as I did on our local freeper infested
boards and they tracked me here. It was one sock puppet after the other for months.
They booted a few of 'em out but then suggested I make it simple and just change screen
names. Skinner was a big help then and I haven't forgotten his decency in that regard.
But D.U has changed and not just a little. We have a large mind set here now that mimics
the authoritarian worshipers that put Bush on his pedestal.

Obama I think forgot that damned near anything could have been elected after eight years of
abuse by Bush. He has abandoned his base, Progressives, Liberals, Unions etc. and has surrounded
himself with these Corporate shills, Summers, Rahm etc.
Note to Obama. These people do not knock on doors, They don't make calls, They don't stand at the barricades and will not stand by you if needed.

Yes, They play hard ball, But so did Bush and we never laid down for his ass so I'm having a
difficult time in deciding what do do, Where to go. It's not easy being fully awake and aware
watching the masses merrily jaunt down the path of hopeless stupidity.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 06:13 AM
Response to Original message
67. 70 Net Recommends and still banished to the dungeon.
Stay classy, DU. Stay classy.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
TheWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 06:35 AM
Response to Reply #67
68. Maybe they should just change the name to Denial Underground and be done with it.
Edited on Thu Mar-18-10 06:35 AM by TheWatcher
Some days, things are just too obvious.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 09:20 AM
Response to Reply #68
70. DUzy!
I've been on here long enough to remember when those of us that questioned the validity of Selection 2000 were treated pretty much in the same fashion.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 10:28 AM
Response to Reply #70
75. 2004 selection too
Somehow the people who questioned the 'conventional' wisdom have always been relegated to the trash heap, even as the country circles the drain.

Truth tellers have always been pushed to the back of the bus.
We make everyone uncomfortable. 'Twas ever thus.
But I used to think DU was gonna be dif.

Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
TheWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 02:29 PM
Response to Reply #75
85. It isn't. It's merely another control Valve in the pipeline system of "Controlled Dissent."
Edited on Thu Mar-18-10 02:29 PM by TheWatcher
I'm sure a lot of members may feel like they are and have been part of something edgy and out of the Box, but sadly, it isn't what they think it is.

The second Accepted paradigms become encroached upon, the Gatekeepers will always show it's true colors.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 02:34 PM
Response to Reply #85
86. WTF?
Edited on Thu Mar-18-10 02:50 PM by BeFree
What are you talking about?
Care to explain? No? I thought so.

On edit.... I may have confused you with someone else. My apologies. Still, I would like to know where, exactly, you are coming from. Maybe my confusion runs deeper than I'd like to think? So, if you please.....
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 02:37 PM
Response to Reply #86
87. Friendly fire. n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
TheWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 03:21 PM
Response to Reply #85
88. You said you thought DU was going to be different for Truthtellers like yourself.
My response was an explanation of why it unfortunately isn't.

No need to apologize.

I'm not your enemy. :)

Far from it.

As for what "Ignored" said after you, I can't see what it was, but I'm quite certain it was another example of intellectual bankruptcy.

Most people that have made my list are pretty much Chapter 7 in that department. :)
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 05:34 PM
Response to Reply #88
89. LOL, I said exactly what you did, but with two words.
And this is why the ignore-happy shouldn't be.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 06:57 PM
Response to Reply #88
90. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 07:00 PM
Response to Reply #90
91. Actually Bolo is cleaning your clock....
it's interesting how you claim it's "drivel" without having read it, dude.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
TheWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 04:11 AM
Response to Reply #91
96. I don't need to read it to know it's drivel. It's as reliable as the Atomic Clock.
Edited on Fri Mar-19-10 04:23 AM by TheWatcher
And if it meets the approval of one of his fawning lapdogs, then I'm sure it's value was even less than zero.

The meaningless apologist prattle of a failed actor is hardly going to make me lose any sleep or confidence, "dude".

In fact, his tireless crusade of support for the Official Myth might be an even bigger failure than his acting career. :rofl:

Outside of his tiny little fan club here in the dungeon, I can assure you that absolutely no one cares what he says or thinks, "dude".


Have a good one, "dude." :rofl:

You guys have become comic relief at best.

The Dungeon's very own Beavis And Butthead.

Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 08:28 AM
Response to Reply #96
97. If you ever want to debate on the actual facts....
let me know, dude.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 09:27 AM
Response to Reply #97
98. Debate? Ok
How about a debate on this subject?
I feel the following was a threat from bushco to the commission. A threat that told them they dare not ask certain questions.

Revealed: Ashcroft, Tenet, Rumsfeld warned 9/11 Commission about ‘Line’ it ’Should Not Cross’...


Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 09:47 AM
Response to Reply #98
99. Read the article a little more closely, as well as...
the document archive from the ACLU (of which I am a lifelong, card-carrying member) and show me where the threat is, dude.

This is not to say that Ashcroft, Cheney and Tenet are not wrong, but I think your "Bush(co) Derangement Syndrome" compels you to grossly exaggerate nearly everything associated with W's administration. Let's say that 911 had happened in 2009 under Obama and Holder, Biden and Panetta had written a similar letter to the 9/11 Commission. Would you regard said letter as a "threat" or merely a warning?

Speaking of warnings, if you resort to your typical "you're defending Bushco" nonsense, this "debate" is over.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 10:09 AM
Response to Reply #99
102. Fine, expected
Now then back to the debate: I think it was a threat to "not ask" certain questions. That, coupled with the unsolved Anthrax mystery, constituted a viable threat to the commission.

Similar to this type of response: "Don't you EVER ask me a fucking despicable question like that again, dude....

The difference being that bushco actually could issue a response with real consequences.

The question is: was it a threat, or was it not? I say yes, it was a threat and you say...........?
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 10:36 AM
Response to Reply #102
104. Do you understand the difference between a "threat" and...
a "warning", dude? The response you cited from me was neither a threat nor a warning...it was righteous indignation in response to your attempt to poison the debate by asking me a stupid, unwarranted question, "Do you condone torture?", when I had given you absolutely no reason to suspect that I even remotely do. Your appeals to emotion fall flat on their face everytime, dude.

Again, do you understand the difference between a threat and a warning, dude? For example, if I say to you, "make sure you stay away from that dog...it bites", did I just "threaten" you, dude? It's your inability to deal with nuance that starts half of these stupid fights.

Please answer the question I asked about whether a similar letter had been written by Holder, Biden and Panetta. Also, for the record, I regard "Rawstory" as quickly evolving into the "WorldNet Daily" of our side. It's truly embarrassing.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 12:56 PM
Response to Reply #104
107. First
Bringing a hypothetical into the debate is nonsensical.

Debate what is the question, please: Was the subject of the OP a threat, or is it not? A simple yes or no will suffice.

Second: The question I asked you "Do you condone torture?" was in a thread about the CIA. The same CIA that admittedly committed torture. So the question was perfectly fair. The CIA condoned torture. As yet, my question has gone unanswered as is the underlying premise of the question: "Is it ok for the CIA to commit torture?"

The only reply I have from you is, and is a verbatim quote:
"Don't you EVER ask me a fucking despicable question like that again, dude...."

Now, was your reply a threat or just a simple warning?
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 01:01 PM
Response to Reply #107
108. Look at the title of the article, dude....
duh.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 01:04 PM
Response to Reply #108
109. Your reply of
"Don't you EVER ask me a fucking despicable question like that again, dude...."

Was that a warning?
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 05:25 PM
Response to Reply #109
112. Nah, that was disgust at..
your despicable debate tactics, dude.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 09:36 PM
Response to Reply #112
116. Does the CIA condone torture?
Yes, at least some people in the CIA do.

Do you condone torture, like some of the CIA people do?

Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 02:17 AM
Response to Reply #116
117. And you resort to your despicable debate tactics once more...
the answer is NO and don't ever ask me that fucking stupid question again, dude. I already told you that I have never given you or anyone else any reason whatsoever to suspect I do, but you insist on poisoning the debate with your backhanded smears. You could have simply ask me what my position on torture is/was but, no, you need to make it seem like I do. Why you are permitted to engage in this reprehensible conduct is, frankly, beyond me.

If you would bother to do some basic fucking research you would know that I have consistently opposed torture and your persistent attempts to tie me to torture or the CIA or "Bushhco" are reprehensible, dude.

Please see the follwing posts, dude. And knock your nonsense off.

please produce evidence of your claim...

Edited on Sat Apr-18-09 06:59 AM by SDuderstadt
i'm pretty sure you won't find anyone here who has even remotely defended torture. more importantly, ''truthers'' don't seem to be able to grasp that we debunkers despise bush, but we reject goofy mihop and even lihop claims due to the lack of credible evidence.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...



SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Wed Apr-22-09 02:34 PM
Response to Reply #5
7. as i have stated numerous times before...
Edited on Wed Apr-22-09 02:37 PM by SDuderstadt
ksm should not have been tortured even once. having said that, how do you know that a confession to an event which had already occurred was what his ''interrogators'' were after? i think it's far more likely they were after intelligence on current or future planned attacks, which would have been of far greater value. despite that higher value, ksm should not have been tortured even once.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Sat Apr-25-09 09:49 AM
Response to Reply #34
46. are you implying any of us support torture? n/t

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Mon Apr-20-09 01:40 PM
Response to Reply #47
49. I would think that my comment that...
KSM should not have been waterboarded at all should suffice. I can't speak for the Bush administration, but I am relieved they are gone. And your "the WTC was nuked" is still a stupid claim.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Mon Apr-20-09 04:49 PM
Response to Reply #52
53. I'm going to ask you one last time to quit putting words in my mouth, Spooked...
Edited on Mon Apr-20-09 04:51 PM by SDuderstadt
I already SAID KSM should never have been waterboarded even once. Can you fucking read???

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...



SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Wed Aug-19-09 02:41 PM
Response to Reply #33
37. You're fucking doing it again!
Jesus. Do you honestly think those AREN'T applicable to any conspiracy theorist without regard to left or right? How is that RW propaganda, dude?

BTW, I recall telling you what I was going to do if you insisted on this cheap, underhanded debate trick. So, don't say I didn't warn you.

So, how does it feel to be a shill for bin Laden? How are you doing in your terrorist training? Have you progressed to IED's yet?

Don't like that? Neither do I. So, stop with the silly accusations that I'm some kind of RW shill, dude. Your choice.
Sinners can repent, but stupid is forever - Will Ackerman
Alert | Add to my Journal Printer Friendly | Permalink | Edit | Reply | Top
BuddyBoy (469 posts) Wed Aug-19-09 05:27 AM
Response to Reply #1
12. That's interesting. For what crime(s)? n/t

Alert Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Wed Aug-19-09 06:08 AM
Response to Reply #12
13. Torture, violations of FISA law, including warrantless wiretaps,...
the war in Iraq. That doesn't mean ''911 was an inside job!'', dude...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...



SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Thu Aug-13-09 11:28 AM
Response to Reply #66
72. Dude...
it's pretty stupid to claim that all of their conclusions were based upon torture. Perhaps you should study how the Commissionb actually worked. For example, the Commission examined 1.2 pages worth of documents. Did you know that?

By no means am I condoning torture, but your hyperbole is silly.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...



Last time, BeFree...don't you ever ask me that fucking stupid loaded question again, or I will be glad to embarrass you yet once more, dude.














Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 10:03 AM
Response to Reply #117
132. heh
So....I am not the only one who had to ask? Telling, indeed. Thanks.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
KDLarsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 10:18 AM
Response to Reply #132
133. Interesting leap of logic n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-10 10:02 AM
Response to Reply #133
135. I condone torture
Yep. I think we need to waterboard a few folks.

Start with Cheney and go down the line. And do it live, on TV.

But for the CIA to do it willy-nilly on whoever they decide to pick up, and for the US government to condone it in any way is plain injustice. Everybody who is for justice ought to be plainly, without question, profoundly against our government breaking laws, treaties and the moral compass. Especially when it comes to secret torture programs.

But there are some pro-CIA people who are willing to look the other way.
Otherwise the CIA people who secretly tortured would be behind bars.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 11:12 AM
Response to Reply #132
134. You just did it again, dude...
I provide incontrovertible evidence that I condemn torture and you twist that into that my position was so inscrutable that I had to be asked? In the instances you cite in which you claim that "I had to be asked", you should note that the other party was using the same despicable debate tactic you do. Simply put, if I disagree with you on, say, whether Hitler was "influenced by the American Eugenics movement", that doesn't remotely mean that I endorsed the Holocaust. Yet, you routinely twist people's words to imply something they've never said' You could have done a simple search and learned I have always consistently condemned torture and have never ever "condoned" it. Instead, you dishonestly frame it that I "had to be asked", when I have NEVER said a single fucking thing that could be remotely construed as condoning it.

Any other person would have apologized for asking such a stupid, fucking loaded question but, no, not you. Once more, you have to make it look like you "won" and I am somehow the enemy or some sub rosa RWer. You could have asked me what my position on torture is and I would have gladly answered.

Which leads me to this question: why are you here, dude? As liberals, we're on the same team. But I take issue with your shoot-first, ask-questions-later style. More importantly, I am deeply dismayed with your "the end justifies the means" philosophy, which results in you consistently poisoning the debate when people disagree with you on the facts and/or tactics.

Let me re-emphasize one thing, dude. Don't you ever ask me a stupid , fucking loaded question like "do you condone torture?" again, especially when I am on the record as condemning it. Your pathetic attempt to save face here is just more evidence of your lack of character. You can interpret this as a "warning" or a "threat". I don't really give a fuck about what you think, dude.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-28-10 11:35 AM
Response to Reply #134
136. Fact is all I did was ask.
Quote: "You could have asked me what my position on torture is and I would have gladly answered."

Uhhh, dude, that's what I did and you went off into space with a punch of.....
Wasn't it Shakespeare who wrote: "Thou doth protest too much..." ???
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-28-10 03:40 PM
Response to Reply #136
137. No, dude...
you didn't ask me "what's your position on torture?". Your question, given the context of the conversation, was an assumptive, loaded question that implied I DO condone torture. Enough of your sleazy, despicable debate tactics, dude.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Make7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-28-10 03:49 PM
Response to Reply #137
138. Given that BeFree condones torture, ...
... he may not realize that his question would be seen as an dishonest query. Apparently torture is not off limits in his world, so why would he think it a smear if others condoned torture also?
 
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-28-10 04:38 PM
Response to Reply #137
139. Talk about twisting.....
The question was asked in the context of a thread about the CIA and its condoning torture and so I asked you if you condoned torture like the CIA did.

I am not a mind reader. It wasn't clear to me whether you supported what the CIA did when it committed torture, so I asked.

You went overboard, not me. You twisted my words. Did I say you condoned torture? NO. I only asked a question. You flipped out, and claimed I was implying you condoned torture.

Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-28-10 05:34 PM
Response to Reply #139
140. Go back and read the exchange and...
Edited on Sun Mar-28-10 05:37 PM by SDuderstadt
that was your clear implication, dude.

Don't make me embarrass you by confronting you with your own words, dude. Your stupid, "Who, me?!?!" act isn't working.

Let me ask you a question, dude. I have never seen you condemn the Holocaust. Do you condone the Holocaust?

Of course, I don't believe that you condone the Holocaust. But, by the way I set it up, the damage is already done well before you even have a chance to respond. See how that works, dude?

Did you ever wonder why your OP, "Honest Discussion - Ten Steps" gets kicked so much? Hint: It's members reminding you to follow your own rules. Drop the sleazy, despicable debate tactics, dude.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 09:47 AM
Response to Reply #98
100. Read the article a little more closely, as well as...
the document archive from the ACLU (of which I am a lifelong, card-carrying member) and show me where the threat is, dude.

This is not to say that Ashcroft, Cheney and Tenet are not wrong, but I think your "Bush(co) Derangement Syndrome" compels you to grossly exaggerate nearly everything associated with W's administration. Let's say that 911 had happened in 2009 under Obama and Holder, Biden and Panetta had written a similar letter to the 9/11 Commission. Would you regard said letter as a "threat" or merely a warning?

Speaking of warnings, if you resort to your typical "you're defending Bushco" nonsense, this "debate" is over.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
TheWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 02:22 PM
Response to Reply #97
111. As soon as you have any facts worth debating, other than the Official Myth and Government Propaganda
Edited on Fri Mar-19-10 02:27 PM by TheWatcher
that you cling to like an infant clings to it's favorite toy, we'll have a party.

Please, by all means, Hold Your Breath until then.

"Dude." :rofl:
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 05:33 PM
Response to Reply #111
113. Sorry, dude...
you can't dismiss the other side of the debate by hand-waving it away as "official myth" and "government propaganda" .

Are you always this clumsy?
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
OnTheOtherHand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 05:52 PM
Response to Reply #113
114. s/dismiss/rebut/ ?
No one can force TheWatcher to make plausible arguments. We can only point out their absence.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 07:19 PM
Response to Reply #68
94. Fantastic comment . . . yes . . . "DENIAL UNDERGROUND" . . . fits!!
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
KDLarsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 10:12 AM
Response to Original message
74. Nothing like a hint of 9/11 truth to bring out all the closet truthers
A shame so few bother to hang around the Dungeon on a more permanent basis, they might actually learn a thing or two.. :eyes:
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 11:23 AM
Response to Reply #74
78. Why hang here?
These people are not in the closet, the dungeon IS the closet.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Make7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 12:10 PM
Response to Reply #74
79. Well, the first person that responded to your post hangs out in the dungeon quite often...
... and it hasn't seemed to help him much. :shrug:
 
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 12:31 PM
Response to Reply #79
80. Eh?
I don't hang here. I venture in here a good bit. If you search GD you will see I am there as much as here.

Being here has helped me. How the fuck do you even pretend to speak for me?
WTF is your problem, Make7? Have you the balls to speak up?
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Make7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 03:03 AM
Response to Reply #80
118. IMHO, given the amount of time you spend in the Dungeon, you should be better informed about 9/11.
On at least one occasion I provided links directly to webpages with information on topics that you introduced to the conversation and you claimed that you never found the information. IIRC, you even asked me for a link in reply to one of my posts where I had just provided it.

IMO, it seems odd that you can't find something when it is practically handed to you. Perhaps someone needs to visit you in person to show it to you, read it to you, and then explain to you what it means. You seem even less capable of finding information regarding 9/11 on your own. Of course that is just the impression I get from reading your posts, YMMV.

You spend more than enough time in the Dungeon to be at least minimally informed on the topic, but when I read your posts it almost never seems like you know what you are talking about. (Although I realize that posting erroneous information seems to be one of your principal debate tactics.)
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 07:18 PM
Response to Original message
93. How in the hell did this thread get moved to 9/11 . . . ???
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
KDLarsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 09:59 AM
Response to Reply #93
101. Because it turned into 9/11 truth n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 10:22 AM
Response to Reply #101
103. Yep
And look at all those good DUers!!!

And not one person that wants to have a debate about the true consequences.
So, it must be a consensus that the commission was threatened?

I make that claim based upon the lack of alternative views not being expressed herein.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 10:44 AM
Response to Reply #103
105. No, it's not a "consensus" that the Commission was...
Edited on Fri Mar-19-10 10:47 AM by SDuderstadt
"threatened", dude.

Beyond that, if you examine the corespondence from the Commission in this matter, it basically contradicts your previous claim that "Bushco" controlled the Commission. If they did, why would they have to "threaten" it?

You show little evidence of understanding how government, politics or Washington work, dude.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Mist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 11:37 AM
Response to Reply #103
106. Facts that challenge the OCT have a way of keeping certain posters away. No octy-snark for this one!
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Drops_not_Dope Donating Member (362 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 11:22 AM
Response to Original message
120. I was looking for this Real News Story
who knew DU would have it in the Dungeon, the place one doesn't dare go unless you're a whacked-out conspiracy lunatic. :hi:
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Twist_U_Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-10 06:44 PM
Response to Original message
128. I noticed all the "Trusters" have been mum on the OP as usual.
so Ill kick this to see if we can get a read on these folks on this issue.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-10 08:01 PM
Response to Reply #128
129. You need to learn how to read...
Edited on Wed Mar-24-10 08:09 PM by SDuderstadt
dude.

What about all you "blusters"?
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-10 08:32 PM
Response to Original message
130. Evidently the myth/lies are weak and need a lot of support, cover up...!!
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Sat Apr 19th 2014, 07:10 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Topic Forums » September 11 Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC