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friendly_iconoclast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-10 10:42 PM
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Aircraft Wheel Punches Out a Steel Wall Section of WTC Tower

Aircraft Wheel Punches Out a Steel Wall Section of WTC Tower

http://cryptome.org/info/wtc-punch/wtc-punch.htm

12 March 2010. Add newly found text from an NIST report on the wheel punch, and NIST images of plans and structure.

11 March 2010

Aircraft Wheel Punches Out a Steel Wall Section of WTC Tower
John Young, Cryptome
An intriguing record of the WTC attack on 9/11, at least for this architect, are the photos (below) showing a 3-story section of the exterior wall of one of the Twin Towers -- probably the North (hit first) -- with an aircraft wheel embedded in a window opening. The site was covered by the towers' collapse and it is not clear what happened to the ensemble.
The NIST report on the disaster describes the event:

The severity of the impact was clear. A wheel from the left wing landing gear flew through multiple partitions, through the core of the building, and became embedded in one of the exterior column panels on the south side of the tower. The impact severed the bolts connecting the panel to its neighbors, and the panel and the tire landed on Cedar Street, some 700 ft to the south. A second wheel landed 700 ft further south. (p.21, NIST NCSSTAR 1. Federal Building and Fire Safety Investigation of the World Trade Center Disaster, Final Report on the Collapse of the World Trade Center Towers, August 26, 2008.)
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 08:01 AM
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1. since the wheel is not really embedded tightly between the columns
it is absurd to think it survived in situ in that massive fall. I suspect the wheel was planted-- just like the other plane parts around the WTC.
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 09:16 AM
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2. Jesus, Spooked....
could you please rationally explain how that possibly could have been "planted" there? You're quickly becoming a parody of yourself, if that's even possible.
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zappaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 09:56 AM
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3. Sorry dude
but you are wrong.
BUSHCO had this gear ready to go as soon as the green-screened planes "hit" the first tower.
As all the hypnotized "witnesses" stared in shock at the carnage, BUSHCO sent his evil minions(imagine something similar to Oompa Loompas)scurrying in to gently place these small items- like landing gear-that no one would notice cuz they were to busy staring at the WTC.
Then they were skirted away from NYC in invisible flying machines that were made using technology from Roswell.
It's amazing to me that you have to have this explained to you.
Thank you Spooked for bringing some great evidence and a little bit of sanity to the discussion of 9/11!
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 10:05 AM
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4. You'd better put a sarcasm tag in there...
Spooked will think you are serious and sincere.

I'm not joking.
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 05:58 AM
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12. I suppose the key word for you is "rationally"
since you define "rationally" according to your own whims, I see no reason to bother explaining
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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 06:35 AM
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16. No, I'm pretty sure it's someone else
that defines words on whatever whimsy happens to float through their brain.
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 07:58 AM
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17. Jesus, Spooked...
Edited on Tue Mar-16-10 08:00 AM by SDuderstadt
wouldn't it just be a lot easier for you to admit that not a single witness has come forward and said they saw a single piece of aircraft debris being "planted" there. How did the perps do it?

Your irrationality on just about everything is, indeed, entertaining to observe.
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 08:02 PM
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22. wouldn't it be easier to admit that the wheel laying there loosely in the columns
makes no sense?

As far as witnesses, how many people have said that they even witnessed this massive set of columns come smashing down here?

Let me know when you've found them.
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 08:06 PM
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24. Spooked.....
Are you now claiming the columns are "planted"? What is your point? Why would we need witnesses to establish a certain part of the building fell down?
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 08:08 PM
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26. you seem to think the absence of witnesses seeing the wheel being planted is significant
right?

So, I'm saying how many people actually SAW the columns come down and land there?

No, I wasn't saying the columns were planted.
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 08:12 PM
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29. Spooked....
do you see how the two things are different????

One is chaotic in nature and the other would be a deliberate act. I'm pretty sure no one watched the towers collapse and noted precisely where each part of them fell.

One thing that is clear is that NO ONE saw anything like what you claim. Are you honestly claiming they could "plant" something that large and not a single person noticed????
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 09:29 PM
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32. First, how many people do you see in those photos?
Second, what part of covert do you not understand?
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 10:06 PM
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36. Dude...
do you honestly imply since there is no one in the picture; that means no one would have seen a rather large aircraft wheel being "planted". Secondly, "covertly" is the word you invoke when you can't explain one of your goofy bullshit claims, dude.

Please describe how the "perps" could have "planted" the wheel "covertly", dude.
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 06:17 AM
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38. clearly there weren't many people around-- and there was a lot of chaos
and distraction. They merely had to roll or carry the wheel out of a van, and into place, with one or two people acting as watchers, making sure no one was looking. The wheel could have been covered with a tarp until it was in place. That is one scenario, there are others.


Plus-- this is New York city-- lots of strange stuff happens; most people ignore it.
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zappaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 10:55 AM
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39. Spooked is right about this
Edited on Wed Mar-17-10 10:57 AM by zappaman
"That is one scenario, there are others."
Here is another scenario...
Using stealth technology back-engineered from the saucer crash in Roswell, a highly elite team of trained dolphins equipped with breathing units drive unmarked vans to the WTC as chaos is occurring. Dolphins driving you say? Yes, they are highly intelligent and have been trained to sort of walk-shuffle on their tail. And they use their little front flipper like hands. Ever see a dolphin "walk on water" or "clap"? This is EVIDENCE that they could get away with this...
Anyway, once they deposit the wheel, they get back into the van and head back to their secret location known only to members of the nefarious BUSHCO.
The genius is when they are witnessed in the act, no one can believe their own eyes, so the witnesses keep quiet. Who would believe their tale?
Dude, can you prove this didn't happen?
Thanks Spooked! Keep digging, you're allllllllmost there.

Oh, and here is a picture of a dolphin actually talking English!


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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 11:59 AM
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40. "Clearly there weren't many people around"
Jesus, Spooked...I'll do you a favor and let you save face here. Google how many people were involved in the rescue, recovery and clean-up operations at Ground Zero and revise your claim accordingly.

Simple question: Do you think before you make such patently absurd statements?
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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 01:24 PM
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5. "not really embedded tightly between the columns"
You figured this out how?

If it's not too much trouble to enlighten me.
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travis80 Donating Member (574 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 01:56 PM
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6. if i may answer by asking you a question about it
you really believe that this wheel embedded so tightly between the columns of that WTC panel, that it was able to stay embedded even after the long hard 90 story drop to the asphalt?

i'm sure you'll say yes, but it's obvious spooked thinks the probability of that happening is very slight, so the logical explanation is that it was planted after. there is a white van that's big enough to fit that wheel in right next to it park weirdly halfway on the sidewalk. coincidence?

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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 03:10 PM
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7. Are you fucking kidding, Travis?
Edited on Mon Mar-15-10 03:37 PM by SDuderstadt
Do you really expect us to believe that, after the collapse, someone went to a van, retrieved an airliner wheel assembly and planted it in the fucking debris? How many "perps" do you think that would have taken? How did the perps plant the wheel assembly without being seen? Do you have any idea how much one of those wheel assemblies weighs? How do you explain the picture of it embedded in the building before it collapsed?

Have you ever read the article I've posted from time to time about the problem with conspiracy theories? If you have, did you catch the part about conspiracists' difficulty with "shorthand abstractions"? If you prefer an explanation in which unknown (and unseen) perps planted a wheel assembly in the debris instead of believing the thousands of witnesses who saw, felt and heard the fucking planes hit the towers, then the article appears to have been written specifically for you.

I ask again...is there ANY conspiracy theory so goofy that even YOU won't embrace it? What do you find to be so much of a coincidence about a white van being parked where it was??? What in the world strikes you as being amiss about that? How does it feel to embrace theories so bizarre ("no-planes") that even the mainstream "truth movement" regards people like you and Spooked as pariahs?

I sincerely beg you to quit embarrassing liberalism, the Democratic Party and DU with this absurd "no-planes" bullshit any more than you already have.
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zappaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 03:35 PM
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8. Dude, how many times to I have to explain it?
The white van not only had the wheel, but people in it to plant that wheel...

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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 04:14 PM
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9. You need to explain to Travis that...
you're mocking him. Seriously.
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 08:06 PM
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23. it would take about two perps, maybe three
and you should believe it, since the official story of the wheel sticking in between two columns and surviving a 1000 foot fall is so clearly bogus.
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 08:08 PM
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25. Yes, Spooked.....
I now believe no planes hit the towers and that 2-3 "perps" planted a large quantity of airliner parts, even though not a single witness reported seeing anything remotely like that.

Do I need a sarcasm thingy?
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 08:11 PM
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27. it is called a COVERT op
they clearly had ways to do things surreptitiously.

The problem remains that the wheel is not embedded tightly in there-- and we are suspected to believe it stayed there after a massive fall and crash to the ground. You haven't explained that yet.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 12:29 PM
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 12:55 PM
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44. Dude...
Edited on Wed Mar-17-10 12:56 PM by SDuderstadt
you think there's something suspicious about a van being parked close to the final resting place of the wheel. On a typical day in NYC, how many delivery vans do you think there are positioned close to office towers, sometimes even parked on the sidewalks?

Yeah, I'm hostile...to bullshit and I'm also averse to poor critical thinking skills. I'm especially averse to your characterization that someone who disagrees with you on the facts you would guess to be a "neocon". I know of multitudes of liberals who take exception to goofy "no-planes" bullshit.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 12:59 PM
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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 05:30 PM
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10. I've no clue if it was embedded
There is no way to tell by looking at the images.

Maybe it was, maybe it just happened to land there.

I am curious how spooked figured out it was too loose to be embedded, so it had to be planted.

And no, the fact that one cannot tell if it is embedded or not in no way indicated it was planted. And there is absolutely nothing curious about the white van or for that matter the dark van behind it.
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zappaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 05:48 PM
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11. OMG! I didn't see that dark van!
Everyone knows the group that favors that particular form of transportation...



you are one to something!

keep digging!
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travis80 Donating Member (574 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 12:32 PM
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42. you believe a wheel can stay embedded after a long hard 90 story fall
and the white van parked weirdly next to it is just a coincidence?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 01:03 PM
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travis80 Donating Member (574 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 12:32 PM
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43. double post n/t
Edited on Wed Mar-17-10 12:34 PM by travis80
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 05:59 AM
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13. note how it is lying there loosely, at an angle
does it look like such a tight fit to you? A fit tight enough to survive a 900 foot drop?
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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 06:33 AM
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15. If I understand, because the wheel is at a slight angle
it's a loose fit?

That's your rationale? It doesn't look like you think it should, therefore it was planted.
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 07:52 PM
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20. does it honestly look like a tight fit to you?
It hardly looks tightly wedged in there to me.
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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 07:56 PM
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21. Is it safe to assume the answer to my question is
"Yes, because it does not look like I think it should it must be planted evidence?"
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 08:12 PM
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28. please answer the question
does it look like it is tightly embedded in there?

Thanks.
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 08:15 PM
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30. Spooked....
you're defeating your own point. Do you see that? If, as you claim, the wheel is not tightly embedded, wouldn't that suggest it began to work its way out of wherever it was wedged as a result of the fall?

Seriously, dude, you have the most bizarre expectations of what a chaotic event should look like.
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 09:40 PM
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34. the massive collision of that ensemble on the ground should have knocked the wheel out
completely -- and not just slightly loosened it.

And again, it is clear that the space between the columns is wider than the width of the wheel.
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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 09:16 PM
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31. On closer inspection of the image I would say
definitely yes. It appears that part of the landing gear is still attached to the wheel and is embedded in the steel rather snugly. Look at image PICT34.
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 09:50 PM
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35. which one is PICT34?
also, it looks to me as if the landing gear is shorn clear away from the wheel to me.
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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 04:32 AM
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37. hold mouse over image; right click; properties. or look here nt
Edited on Wed Mar-17-10 05:06 AM by LARED
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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 09:29 PM
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47. Spooked, this image is most important for you to comment on
Edited on Wed Mar-17-10 09:39 PM by LARED
If part of the landing gear is embedded in the steel, it would be proof that a plane impacted the towers. After all how could someone plant the wheel and the gear into the steel columns?

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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 06:07 AM
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14. I like how the wheel is supposed to have punched out column set 330
33 being a key number in conspiracy

http://33-watch.blogspot.com/
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 08:10 AM
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18. I tried to read through the "link" you provided, but...
couldn't go any further after I read "was the space shuttle Columbia shot down by the 'quarantiners'? ".

Have you ever considered that the challenge you have with rationality stems from the steady diet of nonsense you consume? Beyond that, both you and the "Anonymous Physicist" need to bone up on the Logical fallacy known as "found significance".

Keep digging, Spooked...you're almost there.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 04:51 PM
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19. 33




:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:
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friendly_iconoclast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 09:40 PM
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33. Clearly, the Latrobe Brewing Company is in it up to their glass-lined armpits!
And they were sold recently-hmmmmm.....
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Lithos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 10:16 PM
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48. Locking
Cryptome is not an allowed source due to the archiving of bigoted material.

Lithos
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