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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 07:41 AM
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Explosives
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6Sumr6td90

Bush: "He told us the operatives had been instructed to ensure that the explosives went off at a high ... a point that was high enough to prevent people trapped above from escaping".
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Make7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 10:39 AM
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2. It is more likely he was referring to "The Tall Buildings Plot"...
Edited on Thu Sep-17-09 11:15 AM by Make7
... outlined in a document released by the Office of the Director of National Intelligence the week prior to that press conference.

OFFICE OF THE DIRECTOR OF NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE
WASHINGTON. DC 20511

Summary of the High Value Terrorist Detainee Program

<- snip ->

The detention of terrorists disrupts -- at least temporarily -- the plots they were involved in, saving the lives not only of Americans but also of countless of men, women, and children around the globe:

<- snip ->

7. The Tall Buildings Plot. Working with information from detainees, the US disrupted a plot to blow up tall buildings in the United States. KSM later described how he had directed operatives to ensure the buildings were high enough to prevent the people trapped above from escaping out of the windows, thus ensuring their deaths from smoke inhalation.

http://www.dni.gov/announcements/content/TheHighValueDetaineeProgram.pdf


And an excerpt of the transcript from the press conference the video in the OP was taken from (emphasis added):

The bill would also provide clear rules for our personnel involved in detaining and questioning captured terrorists. The information that the Central Intelligence Agency has obtained by questioning men like Khalid Sheikh Mohammed has provided valuable information and has helped disrupt terrorist plots, including strikes within the United States.

For example, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed described the design of planned attacks of buildings inside the U.S. and how operatives were directed to carry them out. That is valuable information for those of us who have the responsibility to protect the American people. He told us the operatives had been instructed to ensure that the explosives went off at a high -- a point that was high enough to prevent people trapped above from escaping.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/09/20060915-2.html   (archive.org)

- Make7
 
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 05:57 AM
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3. Where is the evidence that this plot was disrupted?
Where are the arrests?

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OnTheOtherHand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 08:11 AM
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4. for purposes of the OP, it actually doesn't matter
The DNI document (the PDF is dated 9/6/06) asserts that such a plot was disrupted; Bush's statement on 9/15/06 closely tracks what the DNI statement claimed about the "Tall Buildings Plot." It's logically possible that both these statements were hyped or contrived. Regardless, there's no apparent reason to think that Bush's statement had to do with 9/11.
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 08:38 AM
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5. OK, I tend to agree with you on that.
Edited on Sat Sep-19-09 08:50 AM by CJCRANE
IMO it was probably a precursor to the 9/11 plot (which was then changed) or an idea for a plot (which was never actually initiated).

On edit: But, as KSM was tortured and the tapes destroyed, we don't know exactly what KSM said or how credible it is.
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OnTheOtherHand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 09:12 AM
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6. yes, it's not that I consider Bush's statement reliable!
Edited on Sat Sep-19-09 09:13 AM by OnTheOtherHand
I don't try to follow all the details, but it's a slam dunk that detainees under torture have 'admitted' things that they made up on the spot, and it's at least likely that U.S. officials would subsequently take credit for 'disrupting' plans that never existed. (I'm not expressing any opinion in this particular case, because I have no basis for an opinion.)
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 02:39 AM
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7. More likely refer to the "Operation Northwoods" plot . . . !!
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lovepg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 11:52 AM
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8. Given the fact the government and the president were aware of plots involving..
Explosives by terrorists in tall buildings ,does this not make it even more suspect that no investigation for explosives was done in the 911
investigation?
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 11:58 AM
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9. No...
stupid question.
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lovepg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 08:04 PM
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12. Oh if you say so.. because we all know your one sentence screeds of total idiotic
Edited on Sun Sep-20-09 08:04 PM by lovepg
nonsense are the standard we all go by.
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 09:03 PM
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13. Think about why your question is stupid...
dude. Hint: it has to do with Logic.
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lovepg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 01:12 PM
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14. Yes the information was obtained after 911 BUT the investigations occured
years after 911 as well. SO knowing the government KNEW about plots to use explosives to cause damage to tall buildings by these same terrorists groups
Why wasn't the government looking at evidence of explosives in the 911 attacks?
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 05:29 PM
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15. Keep thinking this through...
you'll figure out why the question is stupid eventually.
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lovepg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 02:41 PM
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16. glad to see your little vacation didn't hurt your self important egotastic replies.
Say i see the boys gave you some visual displays to help you make your points in a clearer way.
Thats good cause the words just ain't hacking it. DUDE! LOL!
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 02:54 PM
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18. I see you still haven't figured out why your question is...
stupid, dude.
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lovepg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 03:05 PM
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20. You must have a cartoon or something SD come on don't waste that stuff they gave you!
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 12:16 PM
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10. Yes . . . . and also in Oklahoma/Murrah Building "false flag" . . .
I'd also guess that the '93 attack on the WTC was another bit of fakery --
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 12:20 PM
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11. Is D&P seriously claiming our government blew up the...
Alfred Murrah Federal Building? Jesus.
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Realityhack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 02:52 PM
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17. Yep... and apparently the WTC bombing as well.
totally fucked up.
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 02:56 PM
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19. Fucking unbelievable...n/t
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