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Nancy Waterman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 09:39 AM
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Baxter Pharmaceutical Mixed Avian Flu with Flu Vaccine
Source: OpEdNews

http://www.opednews.com/articles/Still-Think-They-re-No...

Baxter, an International pharmaceutical company based in America, has just been caught mixing live Avian Flu virus (H5N1) with common flu virus, in a flu vaccine. Baxter Internationals research facility in Orth-Donau Austria was the facility that shipped the contaminated flu vaccine to other facilities in the Czech Republic, Slovenia and Germany. The incident was discovered by a technician in a facility in the Czech Republic, who injected ferrets with the vaccine as a normal test procedure. The ferrets died.

Let that sink in. If not discovered by a mid-level technician, many of the people immunized with the Baxter vaccine might have been infected with avian flu, which can be deadly.


But its worse than that. H5N1 is not easily transmissible between people. However, the common flu virus that it was mixed with does easily infect people. The real danger in this incident is that the two viruses could have mixed genetic material and mutated when injected into tens of thousands of people, and could have created a hybrid virus that was both deadly, and transmissible.


More information here from Toronto Sun:

http://www.torontosun.com/news/canada/2009/02/27/856078...

Read more: Baxter Pharmaceutical Mixed Avian Flu with Flu Vaccine



This has not yet hit the US media though it is being covered in Canada and Europe
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Sanity Claws Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 09:46 AM
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1. Anyone know anything about Baxter Pharmaceuticals?
Edited on Wed Apr-29-09 09:52 AM by Sanity Claws
Like whether someone in the Illumanti controls it? My tinfoil hat is on my head.

Doesn't this company sound like Prescott Pharmaceuticals, the company Steven Colbert "advertises" on his show?

Edited to add:

Hello, Nancy! Nice to see you. I have to check out your blog to see what you've written on the recent developments. I like your astro analysis.
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global1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 09:51 AM
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2. Hmmmmm..... A Thinning Of The Herd Maybe?........nt
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Nancy Waterman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 09:56 AM
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5. Thanks Sanity Claus!
xx
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 10:00 AM
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6. well here is the director of Baxter Pharm
Edited on Wed Apr-29-09 10:01 AM by Mari333
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nc4bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 10:15 AM
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10. What's a military dude doing on the BOD of a big pharma company?
I will say this much for him, he certainly has LOADS of wartime and battlefield experience, eh? I bet he'd know what to do with that payload.

:tinfoilhat:
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eowyn_of_rohan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 11:57 AM
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20. interactive map of Walter E. Boomer relationships
http://www.muckety.com/Walter-E-Boomer/27802.muckety

US Marine Corps
Cytyc Corporation
Baxter INternational, Inc
Rogers Corp.
McDermott International
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nc4bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 12:33 PM
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25. Baxter International..
http://www.smokershistory.com/Baxter.htm


"1991--Syria Requests an Affiliate of Baxter International, Inc. to Build a High-Technology Filtration Plant Capable of Producing a Highly-Refined Grade of Heroin. Last year, a Baxter affiliate entered into a contract with the Syrian Defense Ministry to build a high technology filtration plant, ostensibly to manufacture intravenous (IV) fluids for medical use in Syria.

"In connection with its investigation, Subcommittee staff learned about the filtration technology at issue and the design of the proposed plant. Although the design of the Baxter plant was consistent with a sterile facility to manufacture IV fluids, with a few relatively minor modifications, the technology in the plant was capable of producing both an extremely high-grade form of heroin and biological weapons.

"Other observers have noted that it was puzzling that an IV fluids plant designed for domestic medical use would have Syrian sponsors who were associated with the Syrian military, including Defense Minister Tlass, rather than the Ministry of Health. After a flurry of press attention, in June 1991 Baxter cancelled plans to build the Syrian plant.



After reading a bit of past history, I have little trouble believing that the mixing of those virus' was deliberately planned - no accident.

and on a completely unrelated topic, I found the sleazy history of Pei-yuan Chia to be pretty interesting too with his former connections to Citibank, Citicorp and AIG (present).

Shady dealings - very :tinfoilhat: worthy. More sunlight is needed.

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Wizard777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 10:22 AM
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11. That was my first thought. Are they part of BFEE's Pharm Portfolio?
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eowyn_of_rohan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 11:05 AM
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17. Keep the tinfoil hat on... Look at this - from one google search
Edited on Wed Apr-29-09 11:16 AM by eowyn_of_rohan
Baxter -One of five businesses honored as "Corporate Leaders" in Bush's EPA Performance Track program - RECENTLY SUSPENDED BY PRES. OBAMA. The Bush-era program allows companies who implement voluntary pollution controls to benefit from reduced environmental inspections and less stringent regulation. Companies complying with the program were in the so-called Green Club.

The Five "Corporate Leaders the now defunct EPA Performance Track program :
Baxter Healthcare Corporation
Johnson & Johnson
Rockwell Collins
Xanterra Parks and Resorts
Xerox Corporation

Baxter Healthcare 2005 Global EHS Conference, Chicago, IL 06/27/2005
KEYNOTE SPEAKER Bush-appointed EPA director MIKE LEAVITT -

"It is truly an honor for me to speak before you at Baxter Health Cares 2005 Global Environmental, Health and Safety Conference...
I was recently selected by President Bush to serve as the Administrator for EPA. It is an honor and a privilege to serve him and the people of this country.

EPA and Baxter are similar in the work we do to protect the health of the American people. You - by applying your expertise in medical devices, pharmaceuticals and biotechnology. And us - by controlling the pollutants released into our air, water and land.

I want to start by congratulating you on your recent designation as an EPA Performance Track Corporate Leader... Just being a member of this distinguished group is quite an accomplishment. But Baxter has been singled out from among those leaders as a Performance Track Corporate Leader one of only three companies that has been recognized for their commitment to environmental stewardship.

... EPA would like to collaborate with you to maximize the value you add beyond offering world-class health products...We will work with you through Performance Track to help more companies set and achieve environmental goals. We are committed to promoting your successes publicly and to setting up peer-to-peer exchanges that enable you to share proven practices with other Performance Track members.
~~~~~~~~~~
Long History of Research/Experimentation with PIGS

GENE-ALTERED PIGS PRODUCE KEY PART OF HUMAN BLOOD
By PHILIP J. HILTS
Published: Sunday, June 16, 1991
Using genetic engineering techniques, biologists have created pigs that produce human hemoglobin, the essential oxygen-carrying component of blood....

Experts said the achievement was a milestone in the effort to find a substitute for blood that could be used in all types of transfusions and might offer advantages over the donated blood now used. A blood substitute could be stored for months instead of weeks, would be free of any risk of human infection, and could be transfused into anyone without the need for blood typing and matching...

Dr. Timothy Estep, vice president for research at the Baxter Health Care Corporation, which has been working on extracting hemoglobin from human blood, said the DNX work was "an interesting milestone" in the development of hemoglobin through genetic engineering, adding: "It is one useful step among many that need to be taken to make a blood substitute. We believe that some product like this will be approved in the mid-1990's; things are moving fast."

Mr. Estep said the value of hemoglobin as a substitute for blood is generally accepted among experts. "Now the question that must be answered is, how safe are these products?" he said. (BACK WHEN THEY CARED)

Among the safety questions are whether some animal viruses might escape the purification process and cause illness in humans, and whether cellular debris missed in purification could cause kidney damage or allergic reactions.
~~~~~~~~~~~

Adelaide lab creates Australia's first cloned pig
PM Archive - Wednesday, 9 May , 2001
There are only three groups in the world that have produced cloned pigs and the applications of cloning are animal breeding perspective and also the possibility of using pig organs to meet the shortage of organs that are out there for donation. And our work is funded by one of the major players out there in that area and that's Baxter Health Care in the States, which is a billion dollar company. So basically they funded us to develop the cloning technology which will allow us to look at that research question in collaboration with our partners in Melbourne and whether we can use pigs as organ donors for humans.

~~~~~~~
HEPARIN PRODUCED BY BAXTER with contaminated, pig-derived ingredients from China
Monday, January 5, 2009
Heparin Debacle Tops Chicago Tribunes Top 10 Local Business Stories of 2008
On December 31, 2008, the Chicago Tribune reported on the top 10 local business stories of 2008. Heparin contaminated with oversulfated chondroitin sulfate (OSCS) that was manufactured and sold by Baxter Healthcare Corporation and Scientific Protein Laboratories, topped this list. (See 12/31/08 Chicago Tribune Article, Top 10 Local Business Stories of 2008.)
As more and more scientific literature continues to be published linking the contaminate to the hundreds of reported deaths and other adverse events, we expect and hope that this will remain an important public concern this year, particularly for those families who still are awaiting answers whether their loved ones were in fact victims of the tainted heparin.

~~~~~~~

Baxter named in class action over anti-coagulant Heparin

1/7/2009 2:00 PM
By Kelly Holleran

A class action suit against the maker of a blood thinning drug claims the company is substituting safer ingredients - cooked, dried pig intestines - with more dangerous ones. Joyce Ann Osteen of Illinois is suing Baxter over its anticoagulant drug Heparin in St. Clair County Circuit Court.

She claims the company began substituting a more dangerous ingredient to "reap greater profits as a result of utilizing cheap component parts."

.....Baxter began making the drug from enzymes found in pork intestines, according to the complaint filed Jan. 5. It takes about 3,500 pigs' intestines to produce 2.2 pounds of raw Heparin, the suit states. Once intestines are gathered from slaughtered pigs, intestines are cooked. After the intestines are dry, a granular substance called crude Heparin emerges, according to the complaint.

"The crude Heparin is then processed to remove impurities and results in the production of an API such as Heparin Sodium or Heparin Lithium," the suit states. "This processing may include, but is not limited to, fractional precipitation, purification and chemical treatment."

On March 5, Baxter found a much cheaper way to produce the drug, the suit claims. The company discovered a molecule similar to Heparin in Heparin Sodium, according to the complaint. "On or about March 19, 2008, and prior thereto, the heparin-like molecule contaminant in Heparin products was identified as over-sulfated chondroitin sulfate (hereinafter "OSCS")," the suit states.

OSCS mimics Heparin's activities, and Baxter began to use it to dilute or to substitute for the active pharmaceutical ingredient in Heparin, according to the complaint.

OSCS costs only $9 to produce compared to the $900 it takes to produce heparin, the suit states.

However, OSCS is not found in nature and is not approved in the United States, Osteen alleges.

"Un-approved API's significantly increases the likelihood that exposed patients will experience adverse side effects and reactions that can result from the un-approved doses," the suit states. "In other words, an unapproved API enhances the risk and danger."

...The FDA made an announcement on March 19 that the mysterious contaminant in Heparin was an inexpensive, unapproved ingredient altered to mimic the real ingredient, Osteen claims.

As of April 8, there have been 103 reported deaths in patients who received Heparin since Jan. 1, 2007, the suit states. Of those deaths, 91 were reported after Jan. 1, 2008, the suit states.

"On or about July 30, 2008, the FDA conclusively linked the deaths of patients infused with Heparin to specific lots made by Baxter," the suit states. "The specific lots of Baxter product tested positive for OSCS."

..."The Recalled Heparin was adulterated, misbranded, defective, unreasonably dangerous and unfit for its intended uses," the suit states. "Baxter placed tens of thousands of patients, including the Plaintiff at unnecessarily risk of serious injury and/or death."

Baxter engaged in unfair and deceptive acts and violated the Illinois Consumer Fraud and Deceptive Business Practices Act by knowingly concealing its own data from investigations about the true efficacy of Heparin, Osteen alleges.

It also violated the ICFA by knowingly suppressing its own data from investigations on the safety of Heparin, by intentionally concealing the true health hazards of Heparin and by recklessly omitting that use of Heparin poses a significant increased risk of sepsis and other serious infections, according to the complaint.

Baxter omitted the true health risks of Heparin from Osteen's prescribing physicians with the intent that the omissions convince her to purchase the drug, the suit states.


"Plaintiff and the Class members who purchased Heparin suffered actual damages as a proximate result of Baxter Healthcare Corp.'s deception in that they were deprived of the benefit of their bargain," the suit states.

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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 12:35 PM
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26. Good Lord!
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 01:57 PM
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57. Holy Shit....I didn't know they were responsbile for the dealths from the tainted Heparin!
That was a huge scandal...but totally blamed on the Chinese.
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eowyn_of_rohan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 03:54 PM
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77. Their actions show they are as greedy and evil as the Chinese -nt
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 03:33 PM
Response to Reply #17
75. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
My only surprise is that this deadly cocktail reached Europe and not Africa.
I read a book by a Russian back in the 1980s on the origin of AIDS. I'm not throwing away my tin-foil hat.
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More_liberal_than_mo Donating Member (192 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 11:52 AM
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19. They have a big plant in Puerto Rico
Edited on Wed Apr-29-09 11:55 AM by More_liberal_than_mo
Back in the 80's I worked for a satellite communications company that provided Baxter's intra company data network. I had to service their P.R. plant. I casually found out that the reason for using this location was the lax labor laws in Puerto Rico. They could poison their employees without getting into trouble there and still claim their products were "made in the USA".
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 04:40 PM
Response to Reply #19
88. Okay my tinfoil hat just has a question: That American owned pig
Edited on Wed Apr-29-09 04:41 PM by jwirr
farm down in Mexico that is responsible for polluting that town that first showed cases of swine flu - who owns that farm? Do we have a constant gardener in our own backyard?
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 08:31 PM
Response to Reply #88
101. Smithfield owns that farm, but is selling it and the USA farm to China.
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ButterflyBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 12:27 PM
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23. Illumanti?
:rofl:
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nc4bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 12:40 PM
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27. Well there was certainly a Skull and Bones member up until 1999 ;)
Edited on Wed Apr-29-09 12:40 PM by nc4bo
Sorry - ran into that quite by accident.

Vernon R. Loucks, Jr.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 01:44 PM
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46. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 02:05 PM
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61. Here is their headquarters, and they have branches all over the USA
Baxter Pharmaceuticals
Round Lake Illinois

847 948 2000
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Romis Donating Member (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 03:00 PM
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69. Old News
Look at the dates of the articles people.
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OnyxCollie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 03:10 PM
Response to Reply #69
72. Six posts a year since '05
and that's all you got?
:rofl:
If you're gonna disrupt, at least put some effort into it.
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Romis Donating Member (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 03:00 PM
Response to Reply #1
70. Old News
Look at the dates of the articles people.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 03:47 PM
Response to Reply #1
76. They produce a lot of medical products. I think they make my tomcat
catheters, but I'm too lazy to go in back and check right now.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 09:52 AM
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3. WTF!?!?!
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biermeister Donating Member (425 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 09:55 AM
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4. creating a demand for their product :) nt.
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pattmarty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 10:01 AM
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7. Banks and insurance companies, with the drug companies...................
.........not far behind in the greed & don't give a fuckfest. Start waterboarding the CEO's and see how fast they clean up their act. WATERBOARDING FOR EVERYONE THAT MAKES OVER 3 MILLION A YEAR.
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eowyn_of_rohan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 01:18 PM
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37. lol - love it! -nt
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 10:08 AM
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8. When will the lawsuits be filed?
Someone needs to be held accountable.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 10:13 AM
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9. Isn't it more likely that someone at Baxter Pharmeceuticals
screwed up?
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Wizard777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 10:42 AM
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13. Not really. It would have to be a huge colossal screw up with everyone asleep at the wheel.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 10:46 AM
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15. Chernobyl, 3 Mile Island, stuff I've seen myself - people are asleep
at the switch more often than you'd believe. Just look at the typical fender bender!
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Wizard777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 10:56 AM
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16. Yes but when your talking about potential Bio Weapons. Security precautions even account for that.
We could probably deal with a nuclear attack much better than a Bio Attack. I live in Maryland home of Aberdeen Proving Grounds and America's Bio Weapons Lab. Security there is intense. But not absolute. There were recent thefts of Bio Agents there. But much like APG I think security there is tight enough to eliminate mistakes as a cause and confine the cause to intentional.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 01:25 PM
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41. It appears this incident was indeed caught by a normal security precaution

Why was it tested on ferrets?
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 02:41 PM
Response to Reply #41
67. Just as you said, a normal security precaution.
The best way to prevent accidents and intentional incidents is to bureaucratize doubt.

Same reason I visually inspect my monthly prescriptions that I've been getting from the same pharmacy for the past ten years.
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mrs_p Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 04:11 PM
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81. ferrets are a good animal model of infuenza disease
Edited on Wed Apr-29-09 04:12 PM by mrs_p
in humans
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 01:56 PM
Response to Reply #16
56. This makes m wonder even more about
the recent "missing" vials of equine encephalitus from Ft Detrick. We haven't heard an update recently.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 03:27 PM
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74. And when you examine the role of bought out government agencies
Edited on Wed Apr-29-09 03:27 PM by truedelphi
And bought out scientists, you don't even need people to be asleep.

Most DU'ers are not aware that the person at the EPA who wanted to have lead put out of gasoline mix was about to be fired (circa 1980) when the MacArthur Foundation gave him a genius award. His pink slip paperwork was actaully sitting at someone else's desk, awaiting a few signatures.

Then they couldn't fire him, as it would look weird for the EPA to fire someone that had just gotten a "genius" award. SO he was kept in the agency, and the EPA ended up taking lead out of the gasoline mixture, just as his research had shown needed to be done.

There are dozens of these types of stories out there.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 01:09 PM
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31. The fact that someone caught it means not everyone was asleep.
Are you suggesting this was done on purpose? For what?
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 01:22 PM
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40. The fact that they test it on the ferrets...

...itself indicates an understanding that something could go wrong upstream.

But for this safety precaution working - this wouldn't be a story.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 01:34 PM
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43. Sure, testing for safety is pretty routine. nt
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Bette Noir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 01:46 PM
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49. Ah, but the global pandemic of mutant flu would be a story.
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kimmerspixelated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 04:27 PM
Response to Reply #31
84. To MIHOP-the pandemic-and reap enormous profits
from forced vaccinations or Tamiflu and others at least!
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 08:50 PM
Response to Reply #31
103. One thought comes to mind..
You get a global pandemic of flu,,,gee, sorta like the one we have now.
Which so far is not really that deadly, given the numbers who recover from it.
but all you hear is MSM blah blah blah about how terrible this thing is and how it is spreading.

then WHO notches up the level rating to say, a 5 ( gee, didn't they just do that?)
which makes it necessary to provide a vaccine for this flu.

and in that vaccine is a accidental mixture of avian flu which does kill people.
" gee, sorry, guess the vaccine was too late" or some such.

In fact, your average flu shots make some people sick, and a few die.

And remember that "scientists" went to great lengths to dig up the dna for the 1918 flu, last year.
That was the flu that killed people in their 20's/30's, just like this "new, never seen before multi virus" is doing.

Like I said, just a thought.
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Bette Noir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 01:44 PM
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47. And that's unlikely, how?
I'm afraid any corporation has vast, untapped resources of incompetence.
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OnyxCollie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 03:02 PM
Response to Reply #13
71. Yeah. Like 9/11.
:tinfoilhat:
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 10:43 AM
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14. Possibly, but how can anyone explain away this kind of mistake?
How could something like this happen? Anyone have a clue?

I don't even believe this story.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 01:07 PM
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30. Hmmmm
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 08:32 PM
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102. Look at this....
"Was the viral contamination intentional?
The shocking answer is that this couldn't have been an accident. Why? Because Baxter International adheres to something called BSL3 (Biosafety Level 3) - a set of laboratory safety protocols that prevent the cross-contamination of materials."
http://www.naturalnews.com/025760.html
( has half the story, the rest is for subscribers only)
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Wizard777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 10:39 AM
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12. Do these guys have H1N1 (Swine flu) in stock?
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eowyn_of_rohan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 11:19 AM
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18. yup. and they're working on a vaccine
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Wizard777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 12:13 PM
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21. Uh huh, thought so.
:banghead:
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didact Donating Member (150 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 01:52 PM
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50. Yea....and they have an factory south of Mexico City.
You figure it out.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 01:59 PM
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59. South of Mexico City....and that Catholic high School in NYC shut down because kids on trip to Mexic
came down with the flu. One of the first reports was that Catholic School being shut down.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 12:23 PM
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22. Whoa....
Geez!

:wow:
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mirrera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 12:27 PM
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24. Important Clarification!
One thing I discovered was the blogs can be a round robin of self sourcing and a little bit like the child's game telephone where whispered words change as they go from ear to ear.

I am someone that totally thinks this flu is suspicious and someone that does not trust vaccines. When I followd the first link in the OP to a follow up link, I was shocked to read the headline:
"Czech Papers Question Whether Contaminated Baxter Vaccine Was Attempt to Provoke Pandemic"

My first thought was AHAH! FINALLY someone is asking the question I want asked. Then I followed the second link to the Toronto Sun, and noticed they did not mention any questioning other than the normal questions asked of major corporations. The face saving mistakes were made kind of questions.

Hmm I thought... just another MSM cover-up while the Czechs were in fact asking tough questions?

So back I went to link one, and clicked on the second follow up link ( link) where the "translated articles" are sourced. I really wanted to see with my own eyes, a Newspaper actually posing such a question!

So I went to each Czech site. I opened up Babelfish.com and translated each article a paragraph at a time. I did NOT see any questions about, or suspicion of, a deliberate attempt to create a Pandemic. I wish I did, but there just isn't anything like that. There is anger about safety, and concern about law loopholes, etc.

So then I noticed at the bottom of the page from this Czech Blogger at the start of the last paragraph: "But was this just a criminal negligence or it was an attempt to provoke pandemia using vaccination against flu to spread the disease - as happened with the anti-B hepatitis vaccination with vaccines containing the HIV virus in US? - and then cash for the vaccines against H5N1 which Baxter develops?"

The poster neglected to state that this was not from the translation, and now other posters from other sites are sourcing this post as evidence that the Czech Newspapers are asking whether or not this was a deliberate conspiracy.

So lets all be careful about checking the sources.

This was especially hard for me because I wish someone would ask the hard questions. With a ghoul like Cheney taking out Plame and then Nukes are flown across our country, I am paranoid to the max.

I was pleased to know the Toronto Sun was not ommitting something, just reporting what was actually reported in the Czech Newspapers. Here are the sourced Czech Papers:

http://zpravy.idnes.cz/unik-viru-je-obchodni-tajemstvi-...

http://www.ceskenoviny.cz/zpravy/kontaminovana-vakcina-...

What is shocking is that this story has been going on since March and we hear nothing here.

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carlyhippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 12:49 PM
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28. geeze, that is scary
I don't take the flu vaccine, now who can we trust with the purity of our medications....hopefully they won't mix the avian, swine and regular flu with the vaccine........I would make a joke about pigs flying, but this is no joking matter at all..........
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islandgirl808 Donating Member (255 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 12:58 PM
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29. oh shit, that is not cool
:tinfoilhat:
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enki23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 01:09 PM
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32. oh, for christ's sake. yes, some technician fucked up. no, it isn't a conspiracy. and finally...
it didn't make it out into the public because the QA procedures were followed and the problem was discovered. noteworthy, by the way, is that it was discovered via animal testing.
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eowyn_of_rohan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 01:15 PM
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36. oh thank you, wise one
So grateful you are hear to set us all straight!
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bottomtheweaver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 01:42 PM
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45. I'm sure it was all just a BIG misunderstanding.
Outta my way, I'm getting my flu shot!
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 04:16 PM
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83. ..and a 'misunderstanding' that was covered in news outlets around the world, except ours
Hmmm...
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dos pelos Donating Member (224 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 01:11 PM
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33. Oops...we put some unlabeled H5N1 in with your H3N2..sorry,now you're dead
Makes one wonder.There are safeguards upon safeguards against this happening.What are the consequences of this sort of an error?Why is Baxter refusing to come clean on this citing need to preserve trade secrets?So,first a very suspicious error occurs,then the company responsible is not forthright.

What is going on here?
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 01:13 PM
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35. You got H5N1 in my H3N2!
You got H3N2 in my H5N1!

Mmmmmm! Deadly!!

:sarcasm:
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 01:12 PM
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34. Good God this is like something straight out of Resident Evil
:scared:

Make sure your Zombie Apocalypse Survival Kits are fully up to date, people!
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 01:18 PM
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38. So what happened? This is news from February. NM
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slampoet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 01:19 PM
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39. And this happened at the exact same time as the Sewage Shutoff in Mexico City.
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dos pelos Donating Member (224 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 01:30 PM
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42. Here is a consequence of such an " error "....
Edited on Wed Apr-29-09 01:37 PM by dos pelos
From the cited Toronto Sun article:

While H5N1 does not easily infect people, H3N2 viruses do. If someone exposed to a mixture of the two had been simultaneously infected with both strains, he or she could have served as an incubator for a hybrid virus able to transmit easily to and among people.

That mixing process, called reassortment, is one of two ways pandemic viruses are created.

H5N1 is very deadly to humans,poorly transmitted.Make it transmissible,(either by accident or intent),and you've got yourself a dandy effective bio weapon.

I imagine there are several other large pharmaceutical companies out there doing similar research.I would hope they're more careful.I hope the WHO and the several european governments investigating this do their jobs.

The Czech subcontractor doing the Baxter work,where the error was discovered is named Biotest;

http://www.biotest.de/ww/en/pub/locations/czech_print.c...
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 01:59 PM
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60. Isn't it very interesting that it is always the East Europeans who "ferret"
Edited on Wed Apr-29-09 02:00 PM by truedelphi
out this sort of thing.

People here in the USA laugh at the East Europeans - yet our standards are much sloppier than theirs. And they don't, as yet, have Big Industy controlling their research labs.

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bottomtheweaver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 01:39 PM
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44. Remember all those Nazi scientists that got recruited into the CIA?
Well I didn't know that either, but apparently they did. Steve Kangas had an article up on the web called "A Timeline of CIA Atrocities" copyright 1996 by Steve Kangas, at this link, which is now dead:

http://home.att.net/~Resurgence/CIAtimeline.html

Excerpt:

Operation PAPERCLIP – While other American agencies are hunting down Nazi war criminals for arrest, the U.S. intelligence community is smuggling them into America, unpunished, for their use against the Soviets. The most important of these is Reinhard Gehlen, Hitler’s master spy who had built up an intelligence network in the Soviet Union. With full U.S. blessing, he creates the "Gehlen Organization," a band of refugee Nazi spies who reactivate their networks in Russia. These include SS intelligence officers Alfred Six and Emil Augsburg (who massacred Jews in the Holocaust), Klaus Barbie (the "Butcher of Lyon"), Otto von Bolschwing (the Holocaust mastermind who worked with Eichmann) and SS Colonel Otto Skorzeny (a personal friend of Hitler’s). The Gehlen Organization supplies the U.S. with its only intelligence on the Soviet Union for the next ten years, serving as a bridge between the abolishment of the OSS and the creation of the CIA. However, much of the "intelligence" the former Nazis provide is bogus. Gehlen inflates Soviet military capabilities at a time when Russia is still rebuilding its devastated society, in order to inflate his own importance to the Americans (who might otherwise punish him). In 1948, Gehlen almost convinces the Americans that war is imminent, and the West should make a preemptive strike. In the 50s he produces a fictitious "missile gap." To make matters worse, the Russians have thoroughly penetrated the Gehlen Organization with double agents, undermining the very American security that Gehlen was supposed to protect.

Anyone know what became of that article?
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TheEuclideanOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 01:44 PM
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48. And that is how the zombie infestation began, your honor
One day we were mixing vaccines, the next day.....people were coming back to life and eating victims.
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 01:53 PM
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51. Additional information here
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 01:54 PM
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52. AND....we know Big Pharma is pretty much running the US with Wall St...
so the information we get is only to cause panic to have folks demand vaccines while Wall St. companies involved in those efforts see their stock go up as they rush out "untested/unproven" vaccines to an unsuspecting public.

Just look at the hysteria all over the news about this. And think who profits...

Thanks for this post and the info! :thumbsup:

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kimmerspixelated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 04:35 PM
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86. That's right!
The real smoking gun is if suddenly they have the vaccine completely ready to use, because it takes 4 months just to produce the right mix, doesn't it?
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 01:54 PM
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53. This happened over a month ago.
And I don't think this flu vaccine was sent off to Mexico.

But it ceratinly shows that those of us who are taking a critical look at the vaccine industry certainly have the right and good sound reasoning to do so.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 01:54 PM
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54. K & R. n/t
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florida08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 01:55 PM
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55. holy
chit!
While H5N1 doesnt easily infect people, H3N2 viruses do. If someone exposed to a mixture of the two had been simultaneously infected with both strains, he or she could have served as an incubator for a hybrid virus able to transmit easily to and among people.

That mixing process, called reassortment, is one of two ways pandemic viruses are created.

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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 01:59 PM
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58. Yes Virginia, there are mad scientists.
:(
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certainot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 02:05 PM
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62. if you want to start an epidemic you give it to someone who gets around
like the tax/census taker in mexico they think they traced it to someone who's job was to visit hundreds of people. so where did she get it? why did someone like that get it first? where is the person she got it from? it needs investigation.

if you make millions in flu vaccines, want to divert attention from torture, test a new dem govt., take down mexico, and close the border you give it to someone who visits hundreds of people.
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kimmerspixelated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 04:37 PM
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87. Interesting!
Good observations.
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northofdenali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 02:13 PM
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63. I quit getting flu shots years ago -
every one of 'em made me sicker than the only flu I've ever had. No wonder.
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eowyn_of_rohan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 03:23 PM
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73. last time I had one I had some possible Guillain-Barre symptoms
Edited on Wed Apr-29-09 03:32 PM by eowyn_of_rohan
tingling, partial numbness on left side of body which started the day after I got the shot. After about 5 days of it, I went to the doctor. They refused to blame it on the shot, the problem went away after another 3 or 4 days, but the following year my doctor told me it probably wasn't worth it for me to get the vaccine again...
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 02:13 PM
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64. Umbrella Corporation, anyone?
I had heard about this and always try to find a reasonable explantion instead of jumping to conclusions...however, there doesn't see to be a reasonable explanation. Quite sinister.
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vegleftie Donating Member (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 02:26 PM
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65. what's wrong with this picture?
He injected FERRETS with the virus. Ferrets aren't human, and have different physiologies and reactions to pathogens. Using nonhuman animals to test human vaccines and drugs is just plain lousy science. What are we doing still using these medieval methods in so-called scientific research? And figuring out that a vaccine is contaminated doesn't require the deaths of any animals, just a microscope and a sample of the serum.
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 04:48 PM
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92. Because ferrets react similarly to humans with flu
See eg http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/07/0707161918...

During one of the most severe winters for influenza in 1933, a number of ferrets being studied for immunity in distemper vaccine trials were seen to share all of the symptoms of coughing and sneezing that the influenza-infected researchers were suffering. But this was not a distemper vaccination failure. The ferrets had caught influenza from the scientists and once again became invaluable in virus research, this time in the isolation of human influenza virus, in the proof of its responsibility for the disease and in the first attempts to prepare influenza vaccines.

http://www.nimr.mrc.ac.uk/millhillessays/2000/influenza...


And testing something first on a non-human mammal is still held to be far preferable than testing it on humans, by the vast majority of us.
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winyanstaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 02:26 PM
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66. The plans of the New World Order are still marching on....
I am still telling people its all been one big plan...and its still going on. They made no secret of the plan but people just wont get their heads out of the sand and pay attention. We have been under attack and our food supplies are also under attack..wake the fuck up!
Thank heaven that this was caught...but how many other vaccines might be contaminated? It is also a load of more neocon crap that the republicans stripped the budget of pandemic response money....my how frickin nice...
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kimmerspixelated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 04:41 PM
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89. The New World Order.
I've read something about a connection to Henry Kissinger and Bresinski and some horrible statement about population control. I need to see if I can find a link.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 02:48 PM
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68. That's why I won't get flu vaccines. Don't trust 'em. It's an easy way to Jonestown populations. nt
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 03:57 PM
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78. Never had one, nor has anyone in our immediate family
...despite recommendations from some who believe what TV tells em
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kimmerspixelated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 04:44 PM
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90. Yes, I've been an anti vaxer for awhile, now.
Just wished I'd known more when my girl was a baby. I was blown away by all the vaxes I allowed from THEIR recs! Ignorance is not bliss!
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 05:47 PM
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96. We knew a woman who tried to resist & her child would NOT be allowed in w/o the shots
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live love laugh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 04:00 PM
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79. I caught the flu for the first time after getting a vaccine. No more. nt
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FamousAmos Donating Member (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 04:09 PM
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80. Yeah Right
This did not really happen, all of these conspiracy theorists are just making this stuff up.
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mrs_p Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 04:16 PM
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82. so, an intramuscular injection of avian flu
would have caused disease? how is that when it takes inhalation of virions to become infected? and, it is further dependent on what receptors are present in the respiratory system. i'm not saying this isn't a bad thing to do -- i'm saying it doesn't jive with normal route of infection.
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 04:33 PM
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85. They mixed H5N1 and H3N2; the current outbreak is H1N1
So why are you bringing this up now? Do you just suspect them of being generally evil?
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Christa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 04:44 PM
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91. Opednews links to Prisonplanet
Alex Jones has no credibility at all.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 05:14 PM
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93. But read "up thread" about Baxter ties to Bushies...and Heparin Deaths..
I know..that I was suspect of "Prison Planet" post...but they were just picking up from other sources from Toronto and and links from there.

Problem with DU is that we don't have folks (like we used to) who post what the International News is talking about!
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eowyn_of_rohan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 05:23 PM
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94. Throwing this thread in the dungeon is in effect silencing the issue
shame.
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 05:24 PM
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95. So their test procedures worked and the error was halted before it did any damage.
This is, after all, why the test procedures are there in the first place. Good safety planning involves assuming that mistakes will occur and having testing protocols to identify and halt such errors before the product is released to the public. The idea that you would try to build an error-free chain of supply and forgo testing it because you're sure nothing could go wrong is idiotic.

In short, this an example of a pharma company doing the right thing by having safety checks in place.
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ButterflyBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 07:13 PM
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98. Stop being rational!
Illuminati! Skull and bones! Tinfoil, tinfoil, tinfoil!
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 01:25 AM
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104. XD
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 07:08 PM
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97. Oh...this is creeping me out...Legitimate Post about Baxter/Swine Flu and goes to "9/11 Forum?"
What is going on here? :shrug:
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ButterflyBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 07:13 PM
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99. Too much conspiracy theorists
This is the catchall forum for crazy tinfoil crap now basically.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 07:27 PM
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100. Really....says you...
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 02:36 AM
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105. The post wasn't about Swine Flu
It was about Avian Flu. What it says is that, back in February, the Baxter lab in Austria sent a sample of live avian flu to other labs, in a mixture with live H3N2 flu, when it should have been killed before it was sent out (and, possibly, shouldn't have been mixed that early - the mixing should only occur when the inactive versions of H5N1 and H3N2 are finally put together to form the shot given to people). And so that sample killed one or more test animals.

Maybe it's the incorrect belief that this is about swine flu that has got this moved to the Sept 11 forum.

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eowyn_of_rohan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 08:51 AM
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106. Baxter's connection to both this Avian flu issue and swine is worthy of discussion IMO
They have been irresponsible and negligent with this Avian flu thing as well as with the recent Heparin "debacle".
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