Twelve Things that Never Happened in U.S. History

"If Bush and Cheney commit war crimes and everyone knows it, but does nothing, are they still crimes?" – Jonathan Turley

Jonathan Turley’s rhetorical question gets to the heart of one of the biggest problems with our country (and many other countries as well): We sanitize our history to the point where we can believe in and present a version to the world that is vastly at odds with reality. While that serves the purpose of making many Americans feel better about their country, and also serves the purpose of maintaining the status quo, it greatly impedes progress towards making ourselves a better country. You can’t learn from your mistakes as long as you don’t recognize them. And they will be repeated over and over again until we learn from them.

While Jonathan Turley and many others are focused right now on the crimes of the Bush administration, as well they should be, we should also recognize that this pattern is nothing new. The powers that be have been sanitizing U.S. history since its inception.

At least we’ve made some progress. Most Americans now recognize slavery as an evil, though we were told at the time when slavery was legal in our country that it was good for our slaves, and that they appreciated it. Some far right wingers, such as Pat Buchanan, even today try to push that old line.

Notwithstanding some degree of progress with regard to events of the distant past, the sanitization of history has never stopped in our country. Here are some examples:


The beginnings of U.S. overseas imperialism

U.S. overseas imperialism began in 1893 when we made Hawaii an American protectorate, and it really got going with the Spanish-American war, beginning in 1898. Our rationale for the Spanish-American War was that Spain blew up an American battleship (the cause was never determined) and to bring freedom to the Cuban people, who were fighting a rebellion against Spain.

We won the war and promptly declared control over the former Spanish colonies of Cuba, Puerto Rico and the Philippines. Unlike Cuba and Puerto Rico, the Filipinos didn’t give in so easily. A three and a half year vicious guerilla war ensued, resulting in the deaths of 16 thousand Filipino guerillas, 20 thousand Filipino civilians and 4,374 American soldiers. I’ve discussed this issue in much greater detail in this post.

Yet few Americans learn that our country has in many respects acted as an imperialist power for much of its history. Our ruling elite indignantly deny or ignore that charge whenever they hear it. Imperialism is hard to admit to, since it is inconsistent with the principles upon which our country was founded.


The effect of FDR’s New Deal on the Great Depression

When Franklyn Roosevelt began his presidency in 1933, our nation was in the midst of the greatest depression in our history. Our annual gross domestic product had been nearly cut in half since the Stock Market Crash of three and a half years previously, and unemployment stood at 25%. Within four years of taking office, GDP rose to about 90% of where it had been prior to the Stock Market Crash. In FDR’s first term in office our country experienced a 5.3% increase in jobs – the greatest percent increase in jobs of the past 20 presidential terms, from 1929 to 2009. As a result, the unemployment rate was approximately cut by more than 40% by the end of his first term. By 1941, prior to the onset of World War II, the unemployment rate had declined to below 10%.

The New Deal was so successful that it lasted for several decades, during which median family income rose steadily (in 2005 dollars) from $22,499 in 1947 to more than double that, $47,173 by 1980. This period has thus been referred to by Nobel Prize winning economist Paul Krugman as the “greatest sustained economic boom in U.S. history” – a boom that produced a large and vibrant middle class in our country for the first time.

Yet, we have long been told that it was not the New Deal, but rather World War II that brought us out of the Great Depression. Today, right wingers go way further, telling us that the New Deal did nothing at all to help us, or even that the New Deal prolonged the Great Depression.

The reason for all this is clear. The New Deal, while making life far better for the vast majority of Americans by leveling the playing field, substantially cut into the wealth and power of our ruling elite. They have been striving ever since then to revise history, so as to make dismantling of the New Deal politically feasible and prevent it from making a comeback. I discuss this issue in much greater detail in this post.


The overthrow of numerous leftist governments during the Cold War

The Cold War (1945-91) was sold to the American people as a fight against totalitarian Communism. There is some truth to that assertion. The Soviet Union, against which the Cold War was conducted, was indeed a totalitarian state and did have expansionist impulses (though much less than we believed or claimed at the time).

But U.S. involvement in the Cold War was much more than a fight against the Soviet Union. We repeatedly used the Cold War as an excuse to overthrow sovereign governments that were not in any way controlled by the Soviet Union. In almost all instances, we overthrew leftist governments and replaced them with right wing dictatorships that were friendlier to the interests of the ruling elite in our country, but which had disastrous consequences for the indigenous people of the countries that we overthrew. Some early examples included Iran (1953), Guatemala (1954), Indonesia (1965), and Chile (1973). Our long involvement in Vietnam (1954-73) was the consequence of the fact that we refused to accept the Geneva Conference Agreements, which officially ended the war between France and Vietnam in 1954, and provided for general elections which were to bring about the unification of Vietnam. Instead, knowing that elections would result in a Communist victory, we intervened to prevent the elections from taking place, against the wishes of most of the Vietnamese people. As described in William Blum’s article, “A Concise History of US Global Interventions, 1945 to the Present”, the United States intervened in eleven different South and Central American countries during the Cold War, including Guatemala, Costa Rica, British Guyana, Ecuador, Brazil, Peru, Chile, Bolivia, Honduras, Nicaragua, and El Salvador. A more detailed account of this issue is discussed in this post.


The assassination of John F. Kennedy

There is so much evidence that the assassination of John F. Kennedy involved a conspiracy rather than a lone gunman, that entire sections of U.S. bookstores are devoted to that evidence.

In my opinion, the best – and fairly conclusive – evidence is the medical evidence concerning JFK’s hospital stay at Parkland Hospital in Dallas. The medical evidence is thoroughly detailed in James Lifton’s book, “Best Evidence” and summarized in my DU post of 2004. It all boils down to whether the bullets causing the two wounds (the throat wound and the fatal head wound) came from the back or the front. If they both came from the back, that is consistent with the lone gunman theory, since the presumed assassin, Lee Harvey Oswald, was (supposedly) found in a book depository that faced the President from the back, shortly after the assassination. But if either of the bullets came from the front (in the direction of the grassy knoll), then the lone gunman theory is clearly impossible, since nobody claims that Oswald was facing toward the President’s front at the time of the shooting.

As a matter of fact, both of the bullets came from the front. Nine physicians and a nurse who treated the President at Parkland hospital are quoted as saying that the fatal wound produced a large hole (5-7 centimeters by one account) in the back right side of the head. The skull at the back of the head was noted to have “exploded outwards”. All of the physicians characterized this wound as an exit wound, largely because exit wounds are almost always considerably larger and more destructive than entrance wounds. Those who saw the throat wound (four physicians plus the nurse) also characterized that wound as coming from the front.

But this medical evidence and much much more was virtually ignored, both by the Warren Commission and by a Senate Committee that later investigated the assassination in the 1970s. Therefore, official U.S. history says that JFK was assassinated by a lone gunman. Believing that a carefully constructed conspiracy was employed to assassinate a popular U.S. president would tend to make the American people angry and suspicious of authority.


Operation Northwoods

Operation Northwoods was a 1962 plan by the American military, led by the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Lyman Lemnitzer, to incite a war against Cuba. It involved various false flag actions, including such terrorist activities as the shooting down of an American passenger plane by the U.S. military, which would be blamed on Cuba. Fortunately, the American Secretary of Defense, Robert McNamara, vetoed the plan. The documentation of this plan was first published in 1998.

Though this operation had to be officially acknowledged by the U.S. government, you hardly ever hear it mentioned – especially in light of the 9/11 attacks on our country, which appear to some as highly reminiscent of Operation Northwoods. Few Americans have ever heard of it. It would seriously tarnish the image of our country to know that our own government planned to kill U.S. citizens in order to incite a war. I wonder if it’s ever appeared in a standard U.S. history textbook.


The “October Surprise” of 1980

Investigative journalist Robert Parry conducted extensive investigations and produced a documentary that suggested that the Reagan/Bush presidential campaign team of 1980 negotiated with the Iranian government to postpone the release of their American hostages prior to the 1980 U.S. presidential election. The evidence included more than two dozen witnesses to the negotiations and documentary evidence of shipments of U.S. arms to Iran. The purpose of the plot was to embarrass the Carter administration, thus ensuring a Reagan/Bush victory over then President Carter.

Not surprisingly, Parry’s investigation and allegations were “debunked” in two articles, one by The New Republic and one by Newsweek, which purported to have found an alibi for William Casey, the Reagan/Bush campaign chairman, regarding his role in the plot. But Parry spoke with participants at the conference that had been established for Casey’s alibi, and they all agreed that Casey was not there, thus debunking the alibi. So we have several conference participants versus a single alibi. No matter. Neither the New Republic nor Newsweek ever issued a retraction.

Nevertheless a special House Task Force was created in 1992, which was chaired by Lee Hamilton (the same one who co-chaired the 9-11 Commission), who was well known for his “bi-partisanship”. While acknowledging that the original alibi, which placed Casey in London on July 28, 1980, was bogus, the Committee proceeded to find another alibi, this one placing Casey in Bohemian Grove, California, during the weekend of July 26th. Documentary evidence was later found to debunk that alibi as well, but the House Task Force refused to acknowledge that. Therefore, the House Task Force report of January 13, 1993, purportedly debunked the October Surprise Conspiracy theory for all time.

But shortly after the House Task Force shipped their report off to the printers, a cable report based on KGB sources arrived from Moscow that supported the October Surprise Conspiracy. Consequently, a Democratic member of the task force, Mervyn Dymally, submitted a dissent complaining of many factors that combined to lead the Task Force to exonerate the Reagan/Bush team on extremely shaky grounds. Lee Hamilton threatened Dymally and then had some of Dymally’s staff fired, which convinced Dymally to withdraw his dissent. See this post for a much more detailed description of this sordid episode.

Thus it is that the successful efforts of a presidential campaign to sabotage a presidential election by prolonging the release of American hostages held by a foreign government – a clear act of treason – simply never happened. I doubt that you will find this episode in any standard American history textbook. After all, it would be extremely upsetting to many Americans to be made aware that the election of two future presidents was made possible through an act of treason.


Buying U.S. politicians

All but the most naïve of the American citizenry know that the wealthy and powerful in our country routinely influence our local and national elections through huge campaign contributions. And they also know that they are generally well rewarded for their “contributions”. And they also know that bribery is presumably against the law in our country. Yet, on the rare occasion that our politicians are actually accused of bribery, our news media makes a great big deal over it, as if bribery is actually a rare event in American politics. I discuss this situation in more detail in this post.

There are a few dots to connect here, but any reasonable assessment of American politics tells us that bribery is routinely used to buy and sell elections in our country. So routine is it that it is actually built into our system and legalized. But that fact is never overtly spoken of. To do so would imply that our system of government is as much or more an aristocracy than it is a democracy. And that would contradict what we learn in school.


Iran-Contra

On July 19th, 1979, a popular uprising by the revolutionary Sandinista Party overthrew the repressive dictatorship of Anastasio Somoza. Former members of Somoza's National Guards and other war criminals formed in opposition to the Sandanistas, and they became known as the Contras. Supporting the Contras in their efforts to take over Nicaragua was one of the primary goals of Ronald Reagan’s presidency, despite abundant evidence of repeated atrocities perpetrated by the Contras.

In addition to the Reagan administration funding the Contras, it used the CIA to assist them in their carnage, including the mining of Nicaragua’s harbors. By the mid-1980s, the Contra war had produced 14,000 casualties, including 3,000 dead children and adolescents, and 6,000 children had become war orphans.

The Boland Amendments were a series of laws passed by Congress beginning in 1982 for the purpose of cutting off funding and other support to the Contras by the Reagan administration. The Reagan administration basically ignored the orders of Congress, continuing to fund and support the Contras through various means, most notoriously by selling military weapons to Iran in return for assistance in obtaining the release of American hostages in Lebanon – a scandal that became known as Iran-Contra.

Investigations were later held into this scandal, with consequent indictments of a long list of high level Reagan administration officials, most notably including the Secretary of Defense, Caspar Weinberger, who was later pardoned by President George H.W. Bush. However, neither the President nor the Vice President was ever fully investigated in connection with Iran Contra, nor did Congress ever attempt to impeach them for their role in the scandal.

As Jonathan Turley has facetiously implied, since there were no charges or even an attempted impeachment against President Reagan, as far as our history is concerned the President committed no crime. Either the Iran-Contra scandal never occurred, or if it did, it wasn’t such a bad thing after all.


The 9/11 attacks

There are a ton of inconsistencies in the 9/11 Commission’s version of how a nation that spent hundreds of billions of dollars annually on its military was unable to defend itself against a bunch of terrorists flying airplanes. The best book I’ve read on the subject is “The 9/11 Commission Report – Omissions and Distortions” by David Ray Griffin. I discuss some of the many problems with the 9/11 Commission’s version of events here.

One of the best bits of supporting evidence that the U.S. military was ordered to stand down and allow the attacks to proceed without opposition involves the unhindered attack on the Pentagon by Flight 77. The testimony before the 9/11 Commission of Norman Minetta, U.S. Secretary of Transportation, regarding a meeting he was having with Dick Cheney shortly before the Pentagon was hit, is especially perplexing. Here is Mineta’s account:


This testimony is on record. Nobody can say that it didn’t happen. Yet, the 9/11 Commission virtually ignores it in their assessment of the evidence. Unbelievably, they interpret Mineta’s testimony to indicate that Cheney had ordered the shooting down of Flight 77. But if that was the case, then why wasn’t it shot down, and even more important, why would NORAD claim that it hadn’t even been notified about Flight 77 until four minutes before the Pentagon was hit?

The 9/11 attack on our country has gone down in official U.S. history as simply being an attack by foreign terrorists, with no complicity on the part of our own government, despite all the evidence to the contrary.


The 2000 and 2004 presidential elections

The 537 vote presidential election victory of 2000 for George W. Bush over Al Gore was stolen by a large number of means. In one of the most corrupt decisions in U.S. Supreme Court history, the vote counting was stopped before the votes had been fully recounted. A later recount of the votes by a consortium of newspapers showed a Gore victory of about 29 thousand votes. In addition, the Florida Governor’s office used a computer program to illegally disenfranchise tens of thousands of mostly black and Democratic voters. And there was much more, which you can read about in this post.

In 2004, George Bush was again declared the winner, despite exit polls that showed John Kerry to have won a substantial popular and electoral vote victory, as well as a good deal of evidence of electronic vote switching that favored Bush. In testimony before the Democratic staff of the House Judiciary Committee, computer programmer Clint Curtis said that he was requested in 2000 by Republican operative Tom Feeney to “develop a prototype of a voting program that could alter the vote tabulation in an election and be undetectable”. The investigator who looked into Curtis’ allegations appeared to have made great headway in his investigation shortly before he unfortunately committed “suicide” under very suspicious circumstances. And most important of all, there was a preponderance of evidence that hundreds of thousands of mostly Democratic voters were illegally scrubbed from the voter rolls in Ohio – the state that gave the election to Bush by a margin far smaller than the numbers of disenfranchised voters.

Yet, according to official U.S. history, none of this ever happened. To acknowledge any of this would undermine faith in U.S. democracy.


Iraqi Civilian deaths in the Iraq War and occupation

The U.S. news media rarely mentions Iraqi civilian deaths that occurred during our Iraq War and occupation. When they do, it is always based on ridiculously low estimates. When the Bush administration was asked about this they said “We don’t do body counts”. Since they don’t do body counts, there is only one reliable way to estimate the number of dead Iraqis – a scientific study.

The latest scientific study estimates that there have been over one million Iraqi deaths due to the American invasion and occupation. Most of these have been violent deaths, and most have been civilians. The death toll amounts to about 4% of the total Iraqi population before the war.

But our government has never acknowledged this. How would such an acknowledgment comport with the claim that a major purpose of the Iraq invasion was to bring freedom and democracy to the Iraqi people?


Bush administration crimes

The crimes of the Bush administration are numerous. The quickest way to summarize them is to look at the 35 articles of impeachment that Dennis Kucinich presented to the U.S. House of Representatives:

Articles I – XIII: Creating a propaganda campaign and lying to the American people and Congress in order to build a false case for war against Iraq; then invading and occupying Iraq, in violation of U.S. and international law and in the absence of any good reason whatsoever; then failing to provide our troops with the body armor they needed, falsifying accounts of US troop deaths, and establishing permanent military bases in Iraq.

Article XIV: Exposing a covert CIA agent.

Articles XV-XVI: Providing immunity from prosecution to criminal contractors in Iraq and recklessly wasting US tax dollars on contractors in Iraq.

Articles XVII-XX: Indefinitely detaining our prisoners, including children, without charges or any legal rights, torturing them, and kidnapping people and transporting them to other countries to be tortured.

Article XXI: Lying to the American people and Congress, with the goal of overthrowing the Iranian government.
Article XXII: Creating secret laws.
Article XXIII: Violating the Posse Comitatus Act
Articles XXIV – XXV: Spying on American citizens in violation of our 4th Amendment.
Article XXVI: Announcing intent to violate duly enacted laws with signing statements.
Article XXVII: Failure to comply with Congressional subpoenas.
Article XXVIII - XXIX: Tampering with free and fair elections and corruption of the administration of justice.
Article XXX: Misleading Congress and the American people in an attempt to destroy Medicare.
Article XXXI: Failure to plan for or adequately respond to Hurricane Katrina.
Article XXXII: Obstructing efforts to address global climate change.

Article XXXIII - XXXV: Failure to respond to the 9/11 attacks on our country; then endangering the health of first responders and obstructing investigation into the attacks.

That brings us back to Jonathan Turley’s question: “If Bush and Cheney commit war crimes and everyone knows it, but does nothing, are they still crimes?” And the answer is, no they are not crimes. Because if they are crimes, then surely somebody would prosecute them – except in some sort of Orwellian society where “Nobody is above the law”, and yet if you are a U.S. president there in no crime that warrants prosecution.


Where we are now

The powers that be have so many ways to control us. First and foremost, they shove their own version of reality down our throats – the one that they believe will keep us placid and accepting of the status quo. Since the Telecommunications Act of 1996, which facilitated corporate monopoly control over the news media, it became much easier for them to do this – although now the Internet has gone a long way towards counteracting that power.

They also do it through our school system. In November 1994, the National Council for History Standards (NCHS) proposed National Standards for United States History, as voluntary guidelines for national curricula in history for grades 5-12. As explained by Gary Nash, who led the effort, these standards were meant “to provide students with a more comprehensive, challenging, and thought-provoking education in the nation's public schools”, and included “a new framework for critical thinking and active learning” and “repeated references to primary documents that would allow students to read and hear authentic voices from the past”. That was too much for those who preferred a sanitized version of U.S. history. Lynn Cheney’s criticism of the document as containing “multicultural excess”, a “grim and gloomy portrayal of American history”, “a politicized history”, and a disparaging of the West, was typical. The U.S. Senate rejected the document in 1995 by a vote of 99-1.

Those of us who question the sanitized version of history are called “conspiracy theorists”, in the hope of marginalizing us and thereby preventing us from spreading our suspicions to normal people. The vast majority of our politicians take great care to avoid having the “conspiracy theorist” label heaped on them.

Many millions of Americans are now very upset by the fact that the Obama administration has expressed little or no interest in prosecuting the Bush administration for its unprecedented criminal activity. We have pointed out that if the perpetrators of those crimes, including Bush and Cheney, are not held accountable for them, we will be setting a terrible precedence that will enable future presidents to do something similar. The ultimate effect will be to have a society in which high government officials operate beyond the law – in others words, a dictatorship.

The complete truth is a little more complicated than that. Allowing the Bush administration to get away with their crimes will not be setting a precedent, since that precedent has already been set. What it will do is extend an existing precedent to unprecedented levels – levels so high that they could hardly have been imagined by the framers of our Constitution. What we have now is an opportunity to reverse that terrible precedent.

If our elected leaders don’t show much interest in doing that, then it’s up to the American people to demand that they do so. If the American people fail to do that, then they will continue to live with the sanitized version of history that makes them feel so comfortable that they are willing to close their eyes and their minds rather than face reality as it is. I believe that in that case there will be terrible consequences to pay – if not now, then not too far in the future.

Seriously, your posts are incredible, and I know they are so appreciated here. So much info!

Thank you again, and rec'd.

to get any civil service job. K/R

But they happen to be in the field of epidemiology.

Yes, I have a couple books out on epidemiology, one that I authored, and a textbook on which I am the third editor. I wish I had more time to write and research -- maybe after I retire.

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I'm a pretty patient reader- - but this is way too long

If you want to make an impact on the internet readership

Ya gotta keep it short

leave links to the rest of the article/opinion

tease the reader with some of the choice paragraphs

they will follow

But, I, and others, think TFC's posts are just fine the way they are

and are always ready to wade our way through them

If it's too long for anyone they will simply hit the "back" button and go find an article about Michael Jackson's face or something. If they are interested they don't need to click a link, the article is right here. The only people who want it cut to "teasers" are people who aren't going to read it anyway.

This is as fine a place as any to state that IMHO, the internet has become increasingly the place you describe, a community of people with incredibly short attention spans and, all too often, the intellect of a mentally challenged gnat. DU itself used to be rife with articles like the one above, complete and insightful. I would like to see the level of discourse here and at other sites raised to where it could be, at the expense of all the usual dross and dreck that somehow passes for discussion these days. If all you want is short pithy little blurbs and other shiny things well, that's what StumbleUpon is for.

I often stop reading long posts if they don't sustain my interest, but I read every word of this one.

You are right, the Internet is helping to lift the veil - but we are in deep deep shit (and as you indicate have been for many years) - is there a way out?

As I was finishing up this post I pondered on that a while. And then I realized that I'd have to make the post twice as long to do it any justice.

A while back I posted something a little similar to this, which I called "Willful Denial, Stupidity and Arrogance". I ended the post with a quote from William Blum:


Of course, that hardly begins to answer your question, for the simple reason that I'm never going to be President.

Anybody who comes up with a really good answer to that question and posts it deserves at least a thousand recs for it. It's not as if I've never thought about it before. I have some lots of ideas -- like get rid of the Telecommunications Act of 1996, make large contributions to political candidates illegal, and get rid of electronic voting. But the deeper question is, how are we going to get ourselves a Congress that will do those things?

Make Congress by the people, for the people, of the people. A government by jury.

I had read this idea somewhere that Congress should be selected from a pool of voters, similar to how we select people for jury today. I would assume people should be registered to vote, and somehow people's names are randomly selected to serve on Congress. And with jury duty, you are required to serve on Congress (unless there is a compelling reason not to)

Americans don't simply avert their eyes in these cases. That would be kind of pathetic. What's rather frightening is that many people respond violently (figuratively and occasionally literally) when someone attempts to wake them out of their historical sleepwalk.

And yet, it's a rare week when there isn't some sort of gratuitous swipe directed at anyone who has the temerity to question the official American narrative.

Case in point, in the latest New Yorker, in a movie review of all things, I found this line, penned by Anthony Lane, who is usually a very clever and often quite funny writer:

"Watchmen," like "V for Vendetta," harbors ambitions of political satire, and, to be fair, it should meet the needs of any leering nineteen-year-old who believes that America is ruled by the military-industrial complex, and whose deepest fear—deeper even than that of meeting a woman who requests intelligent conversation—is that the Warren Commission may have been right all along.

New Yorker

Why Lane felt compelled to shoehorn this into a movie review is beyond me.

(I should point out as a kind of disclaimer that I am not a leering 19-year-old, I have a perfectly healthy long-term romantic relationship with a woman who requests intelligent conversation from me and gets it, and I have not seen V for Vendetta. Nor am I in any great hurry to see Watchmen)

fooled, and easily led.

Thank goodness there are at least a few cynics out there!

aren't too many leering nineteen year olds that would even entertain the concept of an all powerful military industrial complex. Today most 19 year olds have never heard of the MIC and have absolutely no interest in such matters. I'm not sure I get it.

I'm sure that if this was posted on Free Republic it would be met with calls to have me tried for treason, as well as some calls for violence. Yet, I believe that passive acceptance is much more common than violent reactions.

Fog Facts - the important things that nobody seems able to focus on anymore than they can focus on a single droplet in the mist. They are known, but not known; the sort of things that journalists and political junkies know, but somehow the world does not. Such as President Bush’s war record (he doesn’t have one), or how Dick Cheney became that rich. Who really won the election in Florida 2000 and how many people have perished since the invasion of Iraq.

Did you read it?

It's a short book with a simple theme. There are so many facts out there that no one seems to know (or perhaps care) about! I knocked on the front door of the American people, but no one was home! When Bush (or it might've been Condi) says that nobody could've imagined that terrorists would plane to fly into a building, nobody seems able to do his/her homework!

BTW, I'm a little more than halfway through "Henry Wallace, Harry Truman, and the Cold War" as per your recommendation, Tfc. (I tend to read several books simultaneously.) Fascinating read. But also depressing. Seems we never learn. Thanks for the recommendation. I got it used for a coupla bucks.

I got mine for $.01 through Amazon -- plus shipping.

personally, i believe that poppy had a hand in drafting that idea. he had a big part in the bay of pigs stuff as well, and was probably heavily involved with the jfk assassination. he's one of the scariest men in our current/recent history as a nation.

American Dynasty by former Republican analyst Kevin Phillips is a history of the Bush family that nibbles around the edges of Poppy's involvement with the Bay of Pigs.



More direct is the recently released Family of Secrets by Russ Baker, a journalist for The Nation. It recounts among other things that Poppy used to be one of the few Americans alive in 1963 who initially claimed he didn't know where he was when he heard the news of JFK's assassination.

Has he had a subsequent jogging of his memory? If so, I haven't heard it. Do you know?

On page 59 of her memoirs she writes (as quoted in Family of Secrets, p. 53)

On November 22, 1963, George and I were in the middle of a several-city swing. I was getting my hair done in Tyler, Texas, working on a letter home. Here are some excerpts:

(This is sort of confusing, but I will provide excerpts of her excerpts.)

Thanks for the response.

According to Baker, "Mr. Zeppo" was actually Joe Zeppa, founder of the Tyler, Texas-based Delta Drilling Company, "which became one of the world's largest contract oil drillers, with operations around the globe." (Baker, p. 57)

that knows where all the skeletons are buried.

I'm going to have to read "Family of Secrets"

let us hope this meets with a few open minds.

RufusTFirefly was right: "...it's a rare week when there isn't some sort of gratuitous swipe directed at anyone who has the temerity to question the official American narrative." this is even more insulting when one considers, as expressed in your post, just how obvious it is that the official American narrative is so obviously wrong.

Too important to read while not sober.

LLLoLLLLL

Yeah, that Robert Gates.

Just saying.

Reagan administration to spout off its propaganda about the Cold War, so as to keep it hot. I talk about that in this post:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Thank you. K&R and bookmarked.

What a worthy post. I continue to support efforts to hold Bush administration officials, including Bush/Cheney criminally accountable for their many crimes against humanity.

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And I don't think even those 3 would be called "lunatic" by anyone paying a modicum of attention. Would you care to point out just which "conspiracy theories" you are referring to?

It is extensively documented. Perhaps a quick Google would be in order before giving people advice, especially when they seem to have their facts in better order than you do?

As for the other 2, well I assumed you included those. Their is ample reason in both cases to strongly suspect that the official stories are in place more to keep people from asking embarrassing questions than to actually inform the public what really happened. Fact is, I don't know who shot JFK, or the real story behind the 9/11 conspiracy (even the "official" story claims a conspiracy, so it's safe to use that word), but NEITHER DO YOU. You buy Oswald and Osama? Fine. An argument can be made in favor of either or both of those. But neither one has been proven by any stretch of the imagination, and, given the stone walls that have thrown up to keep anyone else from investigating further in any real sense, there is good reason to think in both cases that someone, somewhere, has things to hide.

And there is plenty of evidence that supports the "official stories" of both the JFK assassination and 9/11.

Would most certainly have resulted in the deaths of US citizens or members of OAS states.

As for your "plenty of evidence" claim, well. You seem to be a remarkably incurious fellow. I'll just leave it at that.

I'll just leave it at that.

You don't call the government faking a terrorist attack a "conspiracy"?

Get lost.

http://www.historycommons.org/project.jsp?project=911_p...

No conspiracies, no speculation, no CD/Pentagate . .. FACTS. All documented, all reported by mainstream national and world sources.

Can't really place him in the "Alex Jones" bunch, as his book and website is all mainstream media articles from respected sources. No rense, no anti-semetic sites, no prisonplanet, nothing dubious or ambiguous at ALL about any of the information presented. If one doesn't come away from a full read of this book at least in the LIHOP court, then I have no hope for them that they'll EVER stop trusting a government that stopped caring for it's lesser citizenry long ago.

Many groups benefitted from the events on 9/11, there IS no doubt about that.

A great deal of critics focus on the wrong questions. For instance, instead of asking "WHAT hit the Pentagon", people should be asking "Why was anything allowed to hit the Pentagon AT ALL, especially 45 minutes after they knew two planes were headed off course, both towards the direction of the Nation's Capital, and almost an hour after the Twin Towers were attacked?" They should be asking why and how the NSA, NORAD, the military, the CIA and the FBI all failed on that day and that day only? Where were the terrorist watch lists? Why did the Bewsh administration suppress prior intelligence? Why were there massive amounts of puts on the WTC's biggest tennants and airline stocks prior to Sept 11th? Why were cabinet members, mayors and authors told not to fly or changed schedules on that day? Why were there reports of people in Muslim communities here and abroad having foreknowledge of the attacks?

Science and physics can't answer these questions.

Almost nothing passes the smell test of that day.

And what makes you think that shooting down a civilian airliner wouldn't make people die? Do you know anything about operation Northwoods?

as soon as someone uses rhetorical devices such as "lunatic", "nutcase", "whack job", etc. they have destroyed their credibility once and forevermore.

You will henceforth be a little chickadee, peeping piteously in the night, unheard and unloved.

"Look the other way, nothing to see here."

You fucking asshole jerk.

"The “October Surprise” of 1980

"After all, it would be extremely upsetting to many Americans to be made aware that the election of two future presidents was made possible through an act of treason."


Well yes. It was "extremely upsetting" to witness it at the time, to watch Carter being sabotaged by the criminal tactics that have ruled American politics since then; to watch the American public manipulated and lied to by a press they still trusted; to watch the election be handed to Reagan b/c a disillusioned public (told by the press since June that his win was inevitable) didn't bother voting so his majority of the 37% who voted was called a "landslide; to watch that GODDAMNED split screen during the Reagan inauguration with the Iran hostages coming down a plane gangway..........

I don't hate any of the fucking bastards that came after but Ronald Reagan may you roast in Hell Forever.

he was just an actor playing a part...I don't think he had the intellect to plot or do the things his administration did...just like bush.
It is those that are behind the curtain that pull the strings.
But K&R this OP because it is surly one of the greatest.

I just don't believe that Reagan was smart enough to do those things without help.
And actors know how to play a part.

I'm not missing your point, but you seem to be missing mine. Yes he was an automaton but it makes him and what he perpetrated no less disgusting.

The kind of mealy mouthed "don't be so hard on the doofus" BS is why I don't "hate" Dubya.

Reagan and all his (and his handlers and enablers) betrayals of EVERYTHING THIS COUNTRY STOOD FOR (OR AT LEAST PRETENDED IT DID) made Bushco possible.

And as we now know bush Chaney and rumsfield were the real power behind him pulling the strings.

My lord.

This stuff never stops.

Thank god it's losing traction. That stuff peaked about two years ago and has been dying a very slow and painful death.

Building Seven.

Insider trading

Norm Mineta's testimony.

BushCo trying to STOP the 9/11 commision.

If there has been a "slow and painful death" it has been by a well orchestrated disinformation campaign with a lot of big bucks behind it. And maybe a few small plane crashes.