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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 04:09 PM
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Fratto: ‘No One Could Have Anticipated’ Terrorists Flying Planes Into Buildings Before 9/11»
Edited on Wed Dec-17-08 04:10 PM by babylonsister
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/17/fratto-911 /

Fratto: ‘No One Could Have Anticipated’ Terrorists Flying Planes Into Buildings Before 9/11»


The Bush White House is in full-throttle spin mode, attempting to repair the President’s badly tarnished legacy. This afternoon, Fox News lent a hand in the effort to revise history. In an interview with White House press spokesman Tony Fratto, Fox anchor Jon Scott claimed that, prior to 9/11, “nobody was thinking” that terrorists could fly planes into buildings as an act of terrorism. Fratto agreed:

SCOTT: Back to the 9/11 attacks, which happened after all pretty early in this president’s first term, I mean nobody was thinking that there’d be terrorists flying 767s into buildings at that point. …

FRATTO: That’s true. I mean, no one could have anticipated that kind of attack — or very few people.

Watch it at link~

In fact, intelligence analysts had been warning for some time that terrorists could hijack planes. On December 4, 1998, for example, the Clinton administration received a President’s Daily Brief entitled “Bin Ladin Preparing to Hijack US Aircraft and Other Attacks.” The Clinton administration responded by convening its top counterterrorism experts and heightening security at airports around the nation.

On August 6, 2001, the Bush administration received a President’s Daily Brief entitled “Bin Laden Determined to Strike U.S....

more...

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/17/fratto-911 /
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PerfectSage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 04:17 PM
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1. No one could have anticipated that Bush would be such a clusterfuck.
:sarcasm:
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 06:43 PM
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25. i'll tell you the truth
i knew he'd be bad. i knew he'd throw a war. but he has proven to be way, way worse than i even imagined. in so many ways.
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 06:52 PM
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30. I remember reading and article about * in Time magazine in 2000
at Charles De Gaulle airport and thinking this would turn out badly if shrub won.

But he exceeded my low expectations.

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John1956PA Donating Member (282 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 04:21 PM
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2. Tom Clancy saw it coming.
A squib about Tom Clancy's foresight can be found at http://www.nndb.com/people/504/000022438 / :

In Tom Clancy's novel Debt of Honor, a Japanese kamikaze pilot intentionally crashes an airliner into the U.S. Capitol, killing the President, most of the Senate and House of Representatives, and the entire U.S. Supreme Court. The book, published in 1994, was a huge bestseller, like all of Clancy's fiction.


Also, I think that when Bush I visited Italy during his term as President, the Secret Service made him sleep on a boat, since there was an alert that terrorists might fly a plane into the lodging where he had been planning to sleep.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 04:53 PM
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19. Oh, flying a plane into the Capitol or a hotel
Well sure, they could have anticipated that. But into the World Trade Center or the Pentagon? No way! You expect these guys with their fat salaries and phoney-baloney jobs to think of stuff like this? It's unpossible!
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 05:38 PM
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23. Nor was Clancy the first or last one either
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 04:24 PM
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3. Darn that PDB. The "legacy project" is almost comical. nt
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 04:25 PM
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4. multi-million-selling novels predicted it,
TV shows predicted it

intelligence analysts predicted it

ferfucksake.
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 04:26 PM
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5. Yawn
Does Fox News ever tired of bullshit spin? Apparently not.

October 2000:

http://www.mdw.army.mil/content/anmviewer.asp?a=290
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 04:27 PM
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6. Apparently, except for the planners of the day's wargames...
which included scenarios such as multiple hijackings in domestic air space, a crisis in the Northeast corridor involving JFK airport, and the crash of a plane into a government defense headquarters (the NRO). These were not the first exercises in those years focusing on the possibility of hijackings and aerial attacks on buildings, but they were scheduled for Sept. 11. Scheduled for Sept. 12 was a simulation of a citywide crisis in New York, which provided the command center (Pier 92) after the destruction of WTC 7.

For more about what was "imagined" see here:

"THE WARGAMES OF SEPTEMBER 11TH"
http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=2005083018533...

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Ezlivin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 04:29 PM
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7. Fox filmed a pilot for "The Lone Gunman" that showed terrorists targeting the WTC
It's available as a WMV file if you'd care to see the prescience of Fox, particularly since this pilot episode was to air on March 4, 2001.

Not only did many people see the WTC as a possible target, some of them were able to film an eerie sequence of events months before Bush ignored the August PDB.

Are they telling us that a bunch of geeks over in Fox production offices were ahead of our own government in anticipating terrorist attacks?


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Dervill Crow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 05:27 PM
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21. thank you! I thought I was the only person in the US who remembered that.
I saw every episode (what, were there 3 or 4?) of The Lone Gunmen that aired.
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 04:30 PM
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8. They didn't just anticipate they ran EXERCISES on it a year before it happened
at...wait for it...the fucking Pentagon itself. Look up the year 2000 Masscasulty exercises for the DC military district. The scenario was that a private aircraft loaded with explosives crashed kamikaze style into the Pentagon.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 04:32 PM
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9. PNAC predicted, well, mouth-watered over a Pearl Harbor type event.
Funny how they got just what they wanted once they stole the office.

Funny how things work.
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 06:46 PM
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26. yeah funny
:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
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tulsakatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 04:32 PM
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10. isn't that the same line Condi tried to use on 9/11?
....and it's a lie anyway. Well, maybe stupid republicans couldn't have imagined it but Richard Clarke did!! Too bad they didn't listen to him........they might have learned something.
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thecrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 04:34 PM
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11. The US military had planned for just that scenario on the same day
Therefore, THEY had "imagined" it before that time. And planned for it.
THE WAR GAMES scenario of 9-11 had a plane crash in the center of the Pentagon; prompting the pilots in the air that day to ask, "Is this in real time?"
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Liberal In Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 04:39 PM
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13. I believe it's, "Is this real world?"
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Winterblues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 04:36 PM
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12. That very scenerio was in the Hart Rudman Report on terrorism
That report was on Bush*'s desk when he took office. The Hart Rudman Report on Terrorism was quite comprehensive and dealt with fighting Terror in many many different aspects. Bush* shit canned the report immediately because he didn't want anything from the previous Administration to dirty up his Administration. Bush* made Cheney in charge of terrorism and Cheney held exactly zero meetings on the subject before 9-11.
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John1956PA Donating Member (282 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 04:48 PM
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16. Cheney's counter-terrorism meetings: zero; his closed-door energy meetings: several
I was disappointed that Edwards did not clobber Cheney with this fact during the 2004 VP debate.
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 06:48 PM
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29. exactly right
"he didn't want anything from the previous Administration to dirty up his Administration."

motherfucker.
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MissMarple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 04:39 PM
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14. Rice said that a few days after 9/11. My jaw dropped...literally. Two words: lying and incompetent
Although perhaps I should add criminally indifferent. I don't think there is any other way to describe these people. They didn't "anticipate". Ah huh.
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Zywiec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 04:40 PM
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15. Why wasn't Clinton's heightened security
at airports around the nation still in effect on 9/11? Did it expire?

:shrug:


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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 04:50 PM
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17. Nov 2000 the Pentagon simulated an attack by jets flown into buldings. Bush damn well knew and so
did every one around him who was being briefed at the time.
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Phred42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 04:51 PM
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18. DU needs a category for LIES
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Obamanaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 04:57 PM
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20. I don't mind people telling me a lie when it's a reasonable lie. But
the crap they keep coming up with that is so freaking blatant really pisses me off.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 05:34 PM
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22. "or very few people."
Who could those "very few people" have been?
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 06:42 PM
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24. no one would ever dream
of hitting up some asshole when they start spewing this kind of unmitigated bullshit.
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kay1864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 06:47 PM
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27. Actually it's almost correct...
If he'd only said ‘No One As Incompetent as We Could Have Anticipated’ ...
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 06:48 PM
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28. Except for the hundreds of experts that did and warned him. n/t
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 07:02 PM
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31. K&R
Bookmarking for later.

:kick:
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Dennis Donovan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 07:48 PM
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32. Manned aircraft used as weapons? Why, that's SILLY!


Oh, wait... maybe not. :crazy:
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 07:53 PM
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33. EXCUSE ME - the JULY 2001 meeting of Cofer Black and Rice has NEVER been adequately examined
covered or explained, especially by Rice who denied remembering the meeting and then basically took off on a never ending flight around the world that has not ended to this day after this meeting was revealed. The meeting that Cofer and Tenet said was a 10 on a scale of 10 as far as warnings were concerned. The meeting that the 9/11 commission wasn't told about. The meeting that caused Ashcroft to stop flying commercial.
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 08:20 PM
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34. Thanks for that tidbit, Phoebe. I had not heard that before.
Mass media, mass delusion, mass deception.

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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 08:30 PM
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35. Here is a link - it is a matter of record.
Edited on Wed Dec-17-08 08:32 PM by Phoebe Loosinhouse
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20...


It came out after Woodward's book was published. It was a meeting of Black, Rice and Tenet. The link pretty much covers it.
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 09:26 PM
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37. Thanks for the link.
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 08:59 PM
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36. Er . . . ah . . . NO.
http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=com...

Plenty of warnings.

Plenty of briefings.

Plenty of neon.

No need to believe CD/Pentagate. Intelligence from all over the world was not taken seriously. Security was almost purposely lax. Training happened right under our noses on our shores. Everything relating to 9/11 that happened before, during and after it smells to high heaven.

Don't TELL me these people couldn't have guessed.

Yeah, just like they couldn't have guessed that an economy modeled by "Wrong About Damned Near Everything" geniuses like Milton Friedman and Arthur Laffer; one that has third-world slaves making all their products, buoyed by a casino on steroids and leaves millions of college and high-school-educated workers out of jobs, luck and options, would collapse. Even though it already did so twice in the past 28 years. Sure. Just COMPLETELY thrown for a loop on that one, were they? :eyes:
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 09:31 PM
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38. In case some of you have not read this, it is an exceptionally thorough and well-written
documentation of the "coincidences" of that awful day.

The New Pearl Harbor: Disturbing Questions about the Bush Administration and 9-11. by David Ray Griffin.

A "must read".

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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 10:41 PM
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39. Well no so fast.
signed,
Richard Clarke
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rocktots Donating Member (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 10:47 PM
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40. They tried in during Clinton- Duh, remember??
They tried to knock them over with a bomb blast under them. The security chief who ran them knew there would be another attack, as the WTC was the center of financing in the USA. After the first attack, they decentralized it so an attack would not be so disruptive to US finances.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 10:53 PM
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41. I guess this post will get deleted, but 9*11 was an inside job.
Knowing the inhuman depths to which the bush regime will go, in hindsight, it's also the most logical explanation.
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p4poetic Donating Member (36 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 11:03 PM
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42. right
I suppose Clinton was just having premonitions back in '98.
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