'Chemtrails' conspiracy: Shasta board to talk about jets' metal dumping

[XemaSab]

A conspiracy theory that says government agencies are using jets to dump poisonous heavy metals into the atmosphere moves today from the realm of late-night talk radio call-in shows to the Shasta County supervisors chambers.

The Shasta County Board of Supervisors, acting as the Air Pollution Control Board, will hear at its 1:30 p.m. meeting a presentation by Dane Wigington and others about "heavy metal contamination" -- referred to by some as the "chemtrails" conspiracy.

Wigington, a 46-year-old renewable energy consultant from Bella Vista, like a growing number of conspiracy theorists, thinks a government cabal is using jets to dump metals into the atmosphere to combat global warming -- or for other, more nefarious purposes.

The theorists say the contrails of the jets provide the most visible evidence of the dumping, since on clear days, the vapor trails are unnaturally slow to dissipate and often appear in gridlike patterns.

http://www.redding.com/news/2008/aug/05/shasta-board-to... /

[cliffordu]

1. Yep. Me too.....

[DJ13]

2. This sure got moved fast

Why was a real piece of news put into whacko land?

[Mist]

4. Hint: the word "conspiracy" was in the post title. nt

[LARED]

3. Idiots on parade at the local county board

Area scientists have taken more than 40 samples in the north state, including on the sides of Mt. Shasta, and all of them showed abnormally high levels of heavy metals like aluminum, he said.

Aluminum is NOT a heavy metal.

The metals are new and in places where they should’t be, he said. The dumping may also be contributing to disastrous weather patterns, Wigington said.

Aluminum is one of the most abundant metal in the earth.

“It’s tough not to connect to that with what happened in June with the 3,000-plus lightning strikes we had,” he said, adding that it’s important the public hear more about the alleged dumpings’ detrimental effects on the environment.

No actually it's pretty difficult to connect the two events. Can anyone say local crackpot?

Shasta County Supervisor Mark Cibula said he requested that the board discuss the matter after receiving requests from community members.
........

Although he’s not sold on the conspiracy, Cibula said, he thinks it’s appropriate to hear what Wigington’s group has to say.

“Let’s look at the information and see what we’ve got there,” Cibula said.

One of my side jobs is being a pest to the local town council. I can assure you when the phone starts ringing with constitutes fired up about something, the thing to do is let them have the stage for a while to say their peace or else they tend to make the lives for the officials miserable.

[truedelphi]

6. Hopefully you will read the material that Edward Teller put together in which he advised that tons

Of particulates be dispersed in our upper atmostpherer, there to disperse and to interact with other high altitude atoms - the purpose obstensibly being that of creating a buffer to offer protection of the earth from the insolation properties of the sun.

[Desertrose]

7. "Aluminum is one of the most abundant metal in the earth...."

But is it "abundant" in that area just out in the open? and in what levels? and is aluminum usually found just lying around (beyond beer & soda cans?)

“It’s tough not to connect to that with what happened in June with the 3,000-plus lightning strikes we had,” he said, adding that it’s important the public hear more about the alleged dumpings’ detrimental effects on the environment.

"No actually it's pretty difficult to connect the two events. Can anyone say local crackpot?"

Wow. What an easy way to dismiss something you don't want to deal with...call 'em crazy....


Did you ever read anything about "chaff"?

Try this from the GAO?

September 22, 1998

The Honorable Harry Reid
United States Senate

Dear Senator Reid:

This report responds to your request regarding the use of chaff by
the Department of Defense (DOD) and the effects of chaff. Chaff is
composed of aluminum-coated silica glass fibers that can be spread by
aircraft in flight, ships at sea, and vehicles on the ground to help
them evade enemy radar. You expressed concern about DOD's continued
use of chaff for decades without sufficient knowledge of its
long-term effects on the environment.
--
(I've seen this myself)

EFFECTS ON WEATHER
-------------------------------------------------------- Letter :4.2.1
Figure 2: NWS Radar Image of
Chaff Plumes Over Southern
Arizona and Southwestern New
Mexico on October 8, 1997.

(See figure in printed
edition.)

According to NOAA officials and scientists, chaff can be easily
identified under clear skies, but it can give false readings under
other weather conditions and can thus impair the ability to make
accurate forecasts. Chaff may be interpreted as precipitation and in
some cases could result in inaccurate warnings of severe weather.
Chaff could therefore interfere with missions that rely on accurate
weather forecasts. One NOAA technical report describes chaff's
interference with normal weather observation data in at least two
space-shuttle launch attempts.\9
--

Oh, and isn't this nice of them?? "-- Lead has not been used in the manufacture of chaff since 1983.\8"

Here's an interesting thread from the DU archives. Talks more about the suppression of lightening due to chaff...which in turn may affect rainfall...and that definitely affects wildfires.

NOAA scientists are also concerned that chaff may cause inaccurate
weather data to be archived for long-term climate research studies.
Meteorologists can usually correctly identify chaff on radar, but
automated systems cannot now distinguish chaff from rainfall. The
automated systems record chaff as precipitation and overstate the
amount of rain archived in the database. Researchers may therefore
get inaccurate results from their studies.

NOAA scientists are also trying to determine whether chaff suppresses
lightning because this may also make it more difficult to assess the
weather accurately.\10

There is also the part about affecting radar.....

FRIENDLY FORCES RADAR
SYSTEMS
-------------------------------------------------------- Letter :4.2.2

Just as it can confuse enemy and FAA radar and produce false
precipitation echos on NWS radar, chaff can also affect other
friendly radar systems and thus hinder military air traffic
controllers' and meteorologists' support for missions and operations.
It can also affect friendly warning and targeting systems. According
to Army chaff program officials, chaff on the ground can be stirred
up by vehicles and can thus interfere with friendly airborne radar
systems. Although the Army stated this as an area of potential
concern, we found little documentation of these potential effects.
To help alleviate the problem, the Army is developing chaff that will
reduce interference with friendly forces' radar systems. It hopes to
have this chaff in the inventory by 2005-06.

I don't understand why some are so sure this isn't really happening......when its clear that SOMETHING is going on....and heaven forbid our "officials"have to actually DO something.

[LARED]

8. What is really happening ?

But is it "abundant" in that area just out in the open? and in what levels? and is aluminum usually found just lying around (beyond beer & soda cans?)

See http://scifun.chem.wisc.edu/CHEMWEEK/Aluminum/ALUMINUM....
Aluminum is the most abundant metal and the third most abundant element in the Earth's crust, after oxygen and silicon. It makes up about 8% by weight of the Earth’s solid surface.

Wow. What an easy way to dismiss something you don't want to deal with...call 'em crazy....

Anyone that claims what he does is a crackpot. It's easy to dismiss them.

Did you ever read anything about "chaff"?

Actually no. I'm wondering how a material used in combat situations is related to "chemtrail" I'm sure chaff is used occasionally during training in the US, but so what?

[Desertrose]

9. I read your link...did you read mine?

I asked if aluminum was found just lying around & you link me to an article about aluminum...so what if it comprises 8% of the earth's crust.

How deep is the earth's crust again? Do they find aluminum lying around or do they mine the ore? Is it found in the pure state or is it extracted from the ore (bauxite)? Would it be normal to find a high concentration of aluminum just lying on the surface of the ground in certain areas?

Anyone that claims what he does is a crackpot. It's easy to dismiss them.

Sounds to me like you're really saying that its just easier to dismiss than actually research it in any depth.


Chaff is used a bit more than "occasional training". Did you read the article? Or the other link mentioned?

I'm wondering how a material used in combat situations is related to "chemtrail"

You cannot see the connection between the fact that the US military admits it is deliberately spreading aluminum fibers into our atmosphere and the possibility of other unknown substances being put into our atmosphere ("chemtrails")? Really? And you have the gall to dismiss them. Wow. Just wow.

[truedelphi]

10. relax Desertrose, I will have my posting of

Edward Teller's very telling paper from 1997 up and running by 5Pm today.

What are the nay sayers going to say then?? that Edward Teller didn't exist?

It will be interesting to see what these people will claim then!!

The top two things right off the first few pages is Teller saying silica or alumina should be the scattering agent to reduce the effects of the sun uponn the Climate-crisised earth.

[jberryhill]

21. In order for "chaff" to be effective...

...and it is hardly effective at all relative to electronic countermeasures that are easier to implement... the pieces of aluminum have to be on the order of radar wavelengths. We're not talking about aluminum "fibers" or "particles" - we're talking about strips of aluminum on the order of centimeters long.

So let's get this straight. Chaff is a radar countermeasure in which the target ejects what is essentially aluminum foil confetti in order to evade the targeting radar of a missile or other weapon.

Your point is that large slow airplanes are spreading huge quantities of chaff in the atmosphere, for some purpose, and that nobody running, say, civilian aircraft control radar is noticing this?

[truedelphi]

5. This is not a conspiracy theory. None other than Edward Teller

Was behind it.

I will be posting his entire 21 pages of material prepared for Livermore Laboratories back in 1997
on my blog "What about Truth" by Monday August tenth.

[truedelphi]

11. Edward Teller's paper is up regarding

The need to scatter particulates into atmosphere to combat Global Climate Crisis

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/carol_dagg/message/1

[jberryhill]

12. So?

Edward Teller proposed a lot of things.

https://www.llnl.gov/str/Dec07/libby.html

In particular, Teller saw parallels between Oklo and the next generation of underground reactors being designed by Livermore scientists. The new fission reactors had no moving parts and could operate without human intervention for 30 years. Residual radioactivity would be sealed within the reactor’s core and allowed to decay in place. An underground location would also limit the amount of radioactivity that could reach the surface in the event of an accident or earthquake.

Teller envisioned reactors sited 200 meters underground delivering 1,000 megawatts of power. Generally speaking, fission reactors, if widely adopted, could offset perhaps one-third of the projected increase in carbon emissions during the next century.

<...>

Teller continued to think about nuclear power until the end of his life. In 2003, he wrote a paper with Livermore physicist Ralph Moir, putting forward new ideas on building thorium-burning reactors underground. This paper, Teller’s last, appeared in Nuclear Technology in 2005.


So, you are going to tell me that because Teller envisioned putting thorium reactors 200 meters underground, that we have secret thorium reactors built 200 meters underground?


I Chemtrails

[truedelphi]

13. He also proposed that we use nuclear bombs to

Re-program the direction of rivers, and/or alter the landscape and build dams.

And of course, luckily for those of us who have this conspiracy theory that radioactive materials are dangerous to our health, that notion of his never caught on.

No I am perfectly aware that many things he proposed did not occur.

But other things he proposed did.

[jberryhill]

17. And this is going on in countries all over the world...

...in secret, at Teller's suggestion. Yes?

[truedelphi]

18. There's an even more fabulous conspiracy - one so out there no one discusses it

This tremendous weirdo - Al Einstein - he had this theory that matter is composed of these little interior structures that he referred to as atoms.

While his friends were at University, he was stuck in a dead end job aas a patents clerk. So I guess he got so bored he came up with some real NONSENSE!!

He believed that if you could pull one of these atom thing-ees apart, the energy released might be big enough to demolish an entire modern day city.

Supposedly, we actually used a bomb created from such thinking to blow up Hiroshima - but you know, on two occasions I have met people from Hiroshima, and they didn't look blown up in the slightest!!

And lucky for Einstein, deep thinker that he was, the things he was purporting as the most important part of his atomic bomb theory are so tiny they CAN'T BE SEEN BY THE NAKED EYE!

[jberryhill]

20. And your point is... what?

Einstein had very little to do with the bomb, other than to tell Roosevelt that based on information coming out of Germany, such a device was feasible and the Germans were working on it. To build it required quite a community of scientists and engineers, and anyone knowledgeable in a relevant field knew pretty well what was going on.

Now, your point so far is that chemtrails are "real" because Teller proposed dispersing things in the atmosphere to provide protection against solar radiation.

Okay, so is this only going on in the United States? All the air traffic controllers know about it, and aren't saying anything about it. All the pilots for sure know about it, and aren't saying anything about it.

We both agree that Teller proposed all sorts of things that nobody is doing. But your point is that chemtrails have something to do with Teller's proposal, and it's all being kept secret for some reason.

This all goes on right under the noses of meterologists, atmospheric scientists, geologists, environmental chemists, and most of the aviation community, and the only people who notice are folks who never seem to be able to bother correlating their observations with publicly available flight data.

Is that it?

Are the reports of chemtrails outside of the US "real"? Or are those non-US chemtrails also real, and all of those governments, which are hardly all stable, are also managing to keep the same secret from the same relevant communities in those countries?

[truedelphi]

22. Google "Carol Sterritt" + chemtrails -read article.

The pilots are sworn to secrecy - now no one of them is saying that they will be killed or anything should they speak out about it. But in this day and age, most of us working for a living have hopes that at some point we will receive a pension and can retire. That alone is one of the things that keeps a lid on much of what is going on.


And I guess those goofy citizens in Germany are really bonkers. Never did trust the Germans - you know, those shitty BMW's and Mercedes they produce. And their fascination with solar cells, such that they share a near monopoly with Japan on cerain types of very productive solar cells.

So now they are suing their government fror letting the chemtrails happen there. Further p
My point about Einstein was that since you are dismissing the Teller publication by saying not everything he wrote of or spoke of went into production. Well that made me think of Einstein. Not every theory he worked on has seen a practical application, but some of his high physics theories did produce noticeable events.

[jberryhill]

23. It takes more than pilots truedelphi

And, I'm sorry pal, there is plenty of demand for qualified pilots in lots of places.

I'm talking about pilots who would see this activity going on in the sky, anyway, not the presumed chemtrail pilots. And all of the air traffic controllers on the planet, or at least those parts of the planet involved in this massive secret program.

So the secret German pilots are worried about their pensions too? I am familiar with German cars - I own a Mercedes product (actually a Smart), so I don't get what you are driving at there.

Anyone anywhere can file a suit claiming anything. I believe your friend Judy Wood demonstrated that principle quite well, before her suit was dismissed.

Thanks for the Carol Sterritt stuff, though, this is very entertaining:

http://www.chemtrailagenda.com /

How about a hideous plan to alter your DNA caused by the very air you breathe so you can become possessed and controlled by aliens?
<...>
The Bible codes reveal that Chemtrails are ordered by the Oval Office and financed through the Navy and operated by the Naval Command. The Chemtrail Operation is a "cleansing" operation of murder and assassination by aerial assault against mankind.

Okeey dokey....

Happy trails.

[SidDithers]

15. Oooh, I like that pic....

I'm gonna steal it

Sid

[jberryhill]

16. You're welcome

I knew it would do your evil chemtrailing heart good...

[Grateful for Hope]

19. I have to admit

That picture is hilarious!

LOL!

[SidDithers]

14. Ground level sampling is less than useless...

why hasn't some enterprising chemtrail nutbar chartered a plane and flown up to collect airborne samples of whatever is in the spooky sky lines. They could then:

1. positively identify the chemicals
2. confirm the spooky sky line is the source of the chemicals.

But no, we're supposed to believe that barium and aluminum, collected off the ground, is somehow evidence of something sinister.

Fuckin' loons.

Sid