Emergency Official Witnessed Dead Bodies In WTC 7

[Twist_U_Up]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRaKHq2dfCI

"Upon arriving into the OEM EOC, we noticed that everybody was gone," said Jennings. "I saw coffee that was on the desk, the smoke was still coming off the coffee, I saw half-eaten sandwiches," he stated, adding that he and Hess were told to leave the building right away.

Jennings and Hess found a stairwell and descended the stairs.

"When we reached the 6th floor the landing that we were standing on gave way, there was an explosion and the landing gave way, I was left there hanging, I had to climb back up and walk back up to the 8th floor," said Jennings.

"The explosion was beneath me....so when the explosion happened it blew us back....both buildings (the twin towers) were still standing," he added.

"I was trapped in there for several hours, I was trapped in there when both buildings came down - all this time I'm hearing all kinds of explosions, all this time I'm hearing explosions, said Jennings, adding that when firefighters took them down to the lobby it was in "total ruins".

"For me to see what I saw was unbelievable," said Jennings.

[Bolo Boffin]

1. WTC 7 was used as a triage site for a while. n/t

[Twist_U_Up]

2. you where there ? like Jennings ? Tell us more PLEASE !!!

[Bolo Boffin]

3. What does my being there or not have to do with WTC 7 being used as a triage site?

ETA: NIST NCSTAR 1-8, page 109 (pdf 163)

[Twist_U_Up]

4. Jennings' eyewitness report of explosions inside WTC 7 before the towers had collapsed,dead bodies

[Bolo Boffin]

5. Jennings is mistaken about his timing. His description of the EOM shows this.

The EOM wasn't evacuated until mere minutes before the collapse of WTC 2.

[Twist_U_Up]

8. boffin it might help if you watch his testimony. please keep up

[Bolo Boffin]

9. Heard it. Seen it. Barry's big explosion was the building being hit by WTC1.

Barry's absolutely sincere in his belief that he saw the towers, but he's sincerely wrong.

[Twist_U_Up]

10. explosions, explosions, explosions ,explosions, explosions, explosions

explosions, explosions, explosions, explosions, explosions, explosions
repeat after me and try to keep up.
explosions,
explosions,explosions,explosions
perhaps you should watch again and refresh your aging memory

[Bolo Boffin]

11. Explosions != explosives.

Being in WTC 7 as it was being hit by WTC 1 and not knowing what was going on = impression of explosion.

[Twist_U_Up]

19. Jennings Head Emergency Coordinator clearly states explosions before the towers fell.

start calling him a wing nut wacko with no credibility now.
Thats the usually tactic, right boffin.

[Bolo Boffin]

20. And he is wrong.

I've seen no evidence of his being a wingnut wacko with no credibility.

He's wrong about when the towers fell. That's all.

[Bassman66]

22. Prove it.

He's wrong and you're right.

That works.

[Bolo Boffin]

25. Jennings doesn't have a story about 1 hitting 7 even though he was in the building for that.

He doesn't describe it at all, and never has.

The only part of his story that could be 1 hitting 7 was the "explosion" he describes in the staircase.

He would have experienced this event. That's the only part of his story it could be.

Furthermore, Jennings was interview for the NIST report.

http://wtc.nist.gov/NISTNCSTAR1-8.pdf

pages 109-110




Barry is one of those people.

[Bassman66]

32. Barry repeated says that the towers were still standing

when he was on the 6th floor and it collapsed and he later says he went back up to 8th floor, but how could he do that if the debris ripped through floors 10 to ground?

You're calling him a liar, that's all.

I don't believe NIST because NIST didn't produce a single picture to back up their claims of that damage even though the building stood for hours after the collapse of the towers (at this point I hope you produce the phoney corner picture).

[Bolo Boffin]

37. He's wrong. I don't know what he saw, but it wasn't the towers.

Why didn't he and Hess take the elevators back down?

Because the power went out.

Why did the power go out?

Because WTC 2 fell while they were in the OEM.

Barry says that he was in the deserted OEM when the plane hit the South Tower. Do you believe that?

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[SDuderstadt]

23. Why should we believe anything you say when...

you can't even get basic facts right?

Jennings was NOT the "Head Emergency Coordinator". He was a Housing Authority worker.

http://archives.record-eagle.com/2001/sep/11scene.htm

[Bassman66]

26. Pedantic.

Watch the video and see how he is described.

[Bolo Boffin]

29. Emergency Coordinator is what he is described as, not Head.

Nice try.

[Bassman66]

33. "Emergency co-ordinator and head of a department."

You're being pedantic and a pathetic effort at scoring cheap points.

Describing him as an "health authority worker" was disingenuous in this context.

[SDuderstadt]

36. Show me where I claimed he was a "health authority worker"...

The fact remains that he was NOT the "Head Emergency Coordinator".

[Bassman66]

58. Pedantic and a distraction.

He is described as a "head of department" and an "emergency cordinator" in the same sentence in the video.

Watch it.

Trying to pretend he was neither by being economical with the truth isn't really very good, is it?

[Bolo Boffin]

59. Then why'd you introduce "health authority worker" into the discussion if it was a distraction? n/t

[Bassman66]

61. More pedantry. nt.

[Bolo Boffin]

63. Here:

http://thesaurus.reference.com/search?q=pedantic&x=0&y=0

A vocabulary with variety is a writer's true friend.

[Bassman66]

70. Stop attacking me, stop harassing me.

Pedantic.

[Bolo Boffin]

71. Calling you on your attacks on me is attacking you?

You have a strange way of looking at things.

Maybe less attacking of other people will garner you less callouts of your attacks. Something to consider.

[Bassman66]

74. s'funny. nt.

[SDuderstadt]

31. Right...

a YouTube video from Bermas and PrisonPlanet never ever got anything wrong, right? Right?

I assume it's unintentional irony that you're describing someone else as pedantic.

[Bassman66]

34. Just pointing out the cheap shots.

Why the need for cheap shots?

[SDuderstadt]

40. Bassman...

you can even quote what I said correctly. Give up before you make more of a fool of yourself than you already have.

[Bassman66]

56. I'm not the one who things ecomony with the truth is...

...some kind of tool for scoring points in a debate.

Look at what you did, it was disingeneous.

[wildbilln864]

82. For intimidation and ....

to discourage questioning maybe!? :shrug:

[Ghost in the Machine]

27. Why should we believe anything *you* say when *you* can't even get basic facts right?

Got an answer for that, Mr. "There was NO DEBRIS found in Indian Lake"??

Your hypocrisy is astounding....

[Twist_U_Up]

28. Deputy Director, Emergency Services Department, New York City Housing Authority

close enough
bfwiw
hes probably just another goofy fuck up that was given a job.
right sdude? isnt that how this game is played ?

[SDuderstadt]

30. You got his position wrong...

just admit it. Of course, it sounds a lot more impressive to claim he was the "Head Emergency Coordinator", doesn't it? Now, the question is, what else are you getting wrong?

[Bassman66]

35. A "health authority worker" was disingeneous.

Pendantic cheap shot.
Why the need for cheap shots?

[SDuderstadt]

38. You got it wrong once more...

God this is funny and proof you go off half-cocked unless you can point to anywhere I described him as a "health authority worker". You need glasses, dude.

[Bassman66]

47. Pendantic, again.

Why the need for cheap shots, so you called him a "housing authority worker", that's just as disingeneous.

[SDuderstadt]

50. Read the article I provided in another thread...

calling someone what they are is disengenuous how, exactly?

[Bassman66]

51. Ecomony with the truth is disingeneous. nt.

[Bolo Boffin]

39. Time to learn to read. You have problems with that.

Nobody in this thread has said "health authority worker" but you.

[SDuderstadt]

41. Just remember that...

Bassman also thinks he can read Bush's mind at Booker school.

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[HamdenRice]

6. That's remarkable. There were supposedly no casualties in WTC 7

Contrary to what you may have heard, I don't think there was a triage center in the WTC 7. This idea comes from a misreading of some testimony by EMTs who said they set up a triage center near WTC 7, and when WTC 7 was predicted to collapse, they were told to move. That apparently gave rise to the idea that they were moving out of the WTC 7, rather than out of the "collapse zone" of WTC 7:

Indira: ...when I got there we were setting up triage sites (at ground zero), close, very close to the area. The triage site that I was setting up was behind, well, to the east of Building 7 where Building 7 came down...
...we were setting up triages as close to the pile as possible… so what we were doing was setting up different kinds of stations… IV stations, cardiac stations, wound stations, burn stations ...just trying to have an organized space. What happened with that particular triage site is that pretty soon afternoon, after mid-day on 9/11 we had to evacuate that because they told us Building 7 was coming down... I do believe that they brought Building 7 down... By noon or one o'clock they told us we had to move from that triage site up to Pace University a little further away because Building 7 was going to come down or being brought down.

[Bassman66]

7. Interesting post.

I never heard about Indira Singh until now.

They were moving people out 4-5 hours before the collapse?

[seemslikeadream]

12. Indira Singh and PTECH....

Thanks AntiFascist



Indira Singh and PTECH....


In her testimony before a Congressional committee:

http://www.justicefor911.org/September-Hearings.doc

page 121:

around 9/11 I was doing work on Wall Street for a large bank <JP Morgan Chase> and in DC for a DARPA lab which in a sense advanced research, project agency for project affairs. Therefore, I have connections deep within the government and at high levels in the banking community.

...

page 122:

On the morning of September the 11th I was supposed to be on the 106th floor of the World Trade Center at a risk <technology> conference that a company by the name of Risk Waters was putting on.

...

page 123:

At JP Morgan I was working on the next generation risk blueprint which is all about how to prevent these things from happening, bad business practice such as money laundering, rogue trading, and massive computer failures, anything you could imagine would go wrong.

...

page 124:

it would be a surveillance software that would look at trading patterns that indicated someone was up to no good and then do something about it, send a message somewhere, send a transaction information somewhere, perhaps shut their system down, perhaps shut another system down, perhaps start something up elsewhere.... My buddies recommeded Ptech. And my buddies in JP Morgan were also evaluating Ptech. And why not Ptech? What you see on the screen is a list, is a very prestigious list of Ptech's clients....I figured there's be no problem getting them cleared to come into JP Morgan Chase, to evaluate our very confidential risk plans for the future, how we would stop money laundering, for instance.

page 125-126:

Agent Wright said his investigation into the founders and financiers of Ptech and their financing shell, something called BMI, was also shut down. BMI stands for..."Bait ul Mal" which later turned out to be a front for Hamas and al Qaeda...the people who started BMI are exactly the same who started Ptech...there were 17 names linked to terror. The glaring question was why wasn't Ptech shut down?...did the FBI not get it?


page 127:

As a consolation prize as I left his office he told me the FBI at the highest level had validated the entire story as I laid it out.

page 128-129:

I looked out the window to ground zero and back at him and I asked him if this is about Saudi money flowing through the bank. He turned his eyes away and said, "We've made a lot of mistakes."...They were going to air the Ptech story nationwide and the lead story in the first year anniversary of 9/11 with me in the story. There were many other networks that had gotten wind of it and all the networks were going to run the Ptech story on the first year anniversary. However, the White House got wind of the investigation - I have proof of that - and shut the story down in late August.

page 129:

I did a number of things in my research and when I ran into the drugs I was told that if I mentioned the money to the drugs around 9/11 that would be the end of me. That is a current threat that I'm under and therefore I will speak out about the drugs at another forum.

page 129-130:

I did not expect the Kean Commission to go anywhere near the FBI and Ptech. But I hope all Americans will demand answers reagrding the FBI and Ptech. I would like to leave you with this one question. Not only why is Ptech still operating but why did Assistant U.S. Attorney Michael Chertoff state they cannot differentiate between terrorism, organized crime and drug dealing and is that the reason the Kean Commission will not make terrorism financing a priority in the future?

page 133:

Now I understand Cynthia's questions. Who's really behind PTECH is the question. I asked that of many intelligence people who came to my aid as I was being blacklisted and I was told, "Indira, it is a CIA clandestine op on the level of Iran-Contra." And I have reason to believe this because Care International that was mentioned in one of the slides is a renamed version of Alkhifah which was the funding arm for WTC '93. Prior to Alkhifah it was called Maktab Al-Khidamat, which is funding arm for Afghani Mujahideen. It was how monies got to Osama bin Laden through the Pakistani ISI....At that level I said, well why doesn't the FBI take advantage of their celebrated differences with the CIA and I was told because at that level they work together.

page 134:

Joe Bergantino when Ptech fell into his lap, they paid for private investigators to follow a couple of the Ptech people and it did go to a mob run warehouse area. And the reports came back that, that basically it was a drop shipment place for drugs. That was turned over to the Boston FBI. Two weeks ago Jeo told, you know, what do you do in this country when all this information's source data documents going to a big black hole in the FBI.

page 138:

I stumbled into the drugs for weapons deals. This is not different than Iran-Contra. In fact the same names that were around there are affiliated with Ptech. The same illegal clandestines are affiliated behind the scenes with Ptech.

page 139:

Question: Is there a connection between this software and the old INSLAW software?

Indira Singh:
The old INSLAW is PROMIS. Ptech is actually a more sophisticated version. It's a place in - Ptech at its heart is, is software that builds other software with such capability so it's a more agile, adaptable version of it.


page 141:

Question: ...is there any links in your investigation of Ptech, the investigations of Ellen Mariani, Bank of Credit and Commerce, which has also been under investigation for 10 years I believe for drug operations?

Indira Singh: ....Yes, it was a CIA clandestine operation...

Question: Is there a linkage to Carlyle?

Indira Singh: Absolutely. And to think the saddest thing about Carlyle is watch their, their offshore Cayman Island shells that they're setting up now with other middle eastern countries. In other words, folks, the same thing is still going on. The terror economy is alive and well, being exploited against us.

[midnight]

18. Very good stuff here.......

The terror economy is alive and well, being exploited against us. You need to start your own post on this. Indira wanted to name names, but Charlie wouldn't let her. "We can't investigate the people behind Ptech," said Charlie. "Just trust me, let's focus on the software." They gave no reasoning for this, they just said, "we can't." http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/012705_ptech_pt2.shtml

[seemslikeadream]

21. Yes

once one has read about INSLAW one can never go back :hi:

[Bassman66]

24. Suicide.

Danny Casolaro.

Nothing to see here, move along.

[seemslikeadream]

13. If you want the whole article pm me I have it

[seemslikeadream]

14. Rep. Jack BROOKS (D-Texas) Investigated the INSLAW/Promis affair...

Thanks Octafish

Rep. Jack BROOKS (D-Texas) Investigated the INSLAW/Promis affair...


Jack Brooks was virtually alone investigating these turds.

Oh yeah. Daniel Casolaro was investigating the INSLAW / Promis affair, too.




A Primer on INSLAW

This primer has been collated and provided as a courtesy by Brian Wright. (Thank you.)

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Excerpt from:
NEWS RELEASE
August 11, 1992
U.S. House of Representatives, Committee on the Judiciary

Jack Brooks, Texas, Chairman

JUDICIARY COMMITTEE REPORT CALLS FOR INDEPENDENT COUNSEL TO INVESTIGATE THE INSLAW CONTROVERSY

The ("INSLAW Affair") report concludes that there appears to be strong evidence, as indicated by the findings of two Federal court proceedings, as well as by the Committee investigation, that the Department of Justice "acted willfully and fraudulently," and "took, converted and stole," INSLAW's Enhanced PROMIS by "trickery, fraud and deceit." The report finds that these actions against INSLAW were implemented through the Project Manager from the beginning of the contract and under the direction of high-level Justice Department officials. The evidence presented in the report demonstrates that high-level Department officials deliberately ignored INSLAW's proprietary rights and misappropriated its PROMIS software for use at locations not covered under contract with the company. Justice then proceeded to challenge INSLAW's claims in court even though its own internal deliberations had concluded that these claims were valid and that the Department would most likely lose in court on this issue.

According to the report, the second phase of the Committee's investigation concentrated on the allegations that high-level officials at the Department of Justice conspired to drive INSLAW into insolvency and steal PROMIS. In this regard, the report states that several individuals testified under oath that INSLAW's PROMIS software was stolen and distributed internationally in order to provide financial gain to associates of Justice Department officials and to further intelligence and foreign policy objectives of the United States. Additional corroborating evidence was uncovered by the Committee which substantiated to varying degrees the information provided by these individuals.

(Chairman) Brooks stated, "Although (the Department of Justice was) faced with a growing body of evidence that serious wrongdoing had occurred which reached to the highest levels of the Department, both Attorney General Meese and Thornburgh ignored these findings of two Federal courts and refused to seek the appointment of an Independent Counsel."


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Excerpt from:

"Summer Of the Octopus"

WASHINGTON POST
by Mary McGrory
August 18, 1991


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(Danny Casolaro) had been investigating the Inslaw case, a tangled affair of government perfidy and international intrigue that has been in litigation since 1983. In his explorations, he found out about possibly related scandals -- BCCI, S&Ls, Iran-contra, the "October surprise" -- but until two weeks ago, he had found nothing about Inslaw. Then, he joyfully told friends, he hit bingo. One more interview and the case was cracked.
Suicides do not tell their intimates within days of taking the hemlock that they are "ecstatic" or "euphoric." Casolaro did. Nor do they attend family birthday parties, as Danny Casolaro was planning to do hours before he died. The last known call was to his mother in Fairfax (VA). He told her he was on Interstate 81 in Pennsylvania. He would be late, but he was headed home. A manic-depressive might then kill himself. Nobody ever suggested Danny Casolaro was one.

Although the case involves the alleged theft of computer software by the Justice Department in the time of Ed Meese, Thornburgh took it to his bosom. Bill Hamilton, a perfectly nice midwesterner who owned a Washington firm called Inslaw, had invented Promis, a software especially adapted to crime statistics, which he sold to Justice. The second year, Justice stopped making payments. Hamilton and his wife, Nancy, believe that cronies of Meese were given the franchise to sell around the world. Promis has turned up in Canada and Pakistan. Thelink with the "October surprise" is Earl Brian, a former Reagan political associate who allegedly paid off Iranians to keep the hostages until after the 1980 election -- and allegedly was paid off himself with huge profits from Promis.


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Excerpt from:

"The Inslaw Octopus"

by Richard L. Fricker
WIRED

But the real power of PROMIS, according to Hamilton, is that with a staggering 570,000 lines of computer code, PROMIS can integrate innumerable databases without requiring any reprogramming. In essence, PROMIS can turn blind data into information. And anyone in government will tell you that information, when wielded with finesse, begets power. Converted to use by intelligence agencies, as has been alleged in interviews by ex-CIA and Israeli Mossad agents, PROMIS can be a powerful tracking device capable of monitoring intelligence operations, agents and targets, instead of legal cases.

Apparently, Israel was not the only country interested in using PROMIS for internal security purposes, Lt. Col. Oliver North also may have been using the program. According to several intelligence community sources, PROMIS was in use at a 6,100 square-foot command center built on the sixth floor of the Justice Department. According to both a contractor who helped design the center and information disclosed during the Iran-contra hearings, Oliver North had a similar, but smaller, White House operations room that was connected by computer link to the DOJ's command center,

Using the computers in the command center, North tracked dissidents and potential troublemakers within the United States as part of a domestic emergency preparedness program, commissioned under Reagan's Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), according to sources and published reports. Using PROMIS, sources point out, North could have drawn up lists of anyone ever arrested for a political protest, for example, or anyone who had ever refused to pay their taxes. Compared to PROMIS, Richard Nixon's enemies lists or Sen. Joe McCarthy's blacklist look downright crude. The operation was so sensitive that when Rep. Jack Brooks asked North about it during the Iran-contra hearings, the hearing was immediately suspended pending an executive (secret) conference. When the hearings were reconvened, the issue of North's FEMA dealings was dropped.

Freelance reporter Danny Casolaro spent the last few years of his life investigating a pattern which he called "The Octopus." According to Casolaro, Inslaw was only part of a greater story of how intelligence agencies, the Department of Justice and even the mob had subverted the government and its various functions for their own profit.


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Excerpt from:

"The Dirtiest Bank of All"

by Jonathan Beaty and S.C. Gwynne
TIME
July 29, 1991

The more conventional departments of B.C.C.I. (Bank of Credit and Commerce International) handled such services as laundering money for the drug trade and helping dictators loot their national treasuries. The black network, which is still functioning, operates a lucrative arms-trade business and transports drugs and gold. According to investigators and participants in those operations, it often works with Western and Middle Eastern intelligence agencies. The strange and still murky ties between B.C.C.I. and the intelligence agencies of several countries are so pervasive that even the White House has become entangled. As TIME reported earlier this month, the National Security Council used B.C.C.I. to funnel money for the Iran-contra deals, and the CIA maintained accounts in B.C.C.I. for covert operations. Moreover, investigators have told TIME that the Defense Intelligence Agency has maintained a slush-fund account with B.C.C.I. apparently to pay for clandestine activities.
But the CIA may have used B.C.C.I. as more than an undercover banker: U.S. agents collaborated with the black network in several operations, according to a B.C.C.I. black-network "officer" who is now a secret U.S. government witness. Sources have told investigators that B.C.C.I. worked closely with Israel's spy agencies and other Western intelligence groups as well, especially in arms deals.

---a bookstore for democracy ---

http://www.copi.com/articles/inslaw_primer.htm

[seemslikeadream]

15. Foster-gate

Thanks Anitfascist



James Norman was senior editor at Forbes magazine in 1990. Prior to that he'd put in almost 20 years writing for newspapers, and then BUSINESS WEEK magazine. He was fired after his Vince Foster
article he prepared for "Forbes", which was spiked, finally appeared in "Media Bypass". Norman attributes the spiking of his Forbes article to Reagan administration defense secretary, Caspar Weinberger, who is Forbes' publisher emeritus and possibly privy to several intelligence operations that the Foster case threatens to unveil. Keep in mind also that Steve Forbes is a co-signer of the PNAC Statement of Principles - in other words, he has signed onto the neocon agenda.


http://192.80.61.73/view/1996/norman.html



...

According to a heavily-redacted New Mexico FBI counterintelligence report, Maxwell was apparently allowed to sell two copies of PROMIS back to the U.S. weapons labs at Sandia and Los Alamos, for what Inslaw claims was a hugely inflated price of $87 million. That would have allowed Pollard, if he was using the rigged program, to obtain U.S. missile targeting data long before Israel had its own satellite capability, thus making it a real nuclear threat to the Soviet Union. Pollard was convicted of espionage and sentenced in 1986 to life imprisonment. U.S. officials have vehemently opposed efforts to gain his early release.

...

Many of the intelligence sources who provided information for this story insist that Boston Systematics and the Arkansas company are, in fact, related in some way. And based on his own source in the Justice Department, Inslaw's founder William A. Hamilton says he believes Boston Systematics was also closely linked with both Maxwell and Rafi Bitan, the former head of Israel's anti-terrorism effort. Hamilton says Bitan, using a false name, showed up at Inslaw's Washington, DC office one day in 1983 for a private demonstration of PROMIS.

Another curious company is Arkansas Systems, founded in 1974 by Systematics employee and formerly U.S. Army "analyst" John Chamberlain, located just down the road from Systematics. Arkansas Systems specializes in computer systems for foreign wire transfer centers and central banks. Among its clients: Russia and China, according to Arkansas Systems president James K. Hendren, a physicist formerly involved with the Safeguard anti-missile system. Arkansas Systems was one of the first com-panies to receive funding from the Arkansas Development Finance Authority (ADFA), an agency created by Bill Clinton that is now coming under Congressional scrutiny.

...

The answer seems painfully clear; a cover-up of immense proportions for reasons of "national security". And don't expect Whitewater prober Kenneth Starr to spill any beans. He was in-house counsel to Reagan Attorney General William French Smith at the time the Inslaw PROMIS software was expropriated for intelligence use. Later, as Solicitor General, he recused himself from an Inslaw-related matter without explanation. It seems likely Starr would have been personally involved in launching the covert bank spy effort, which Washington is still so nervous to keep secret.






William A. Hamilton is a former NSA expert, inventor of PROMIS software, and president of INSLAW. Recently, he has also written about the "FBI’s Incapacitating Cover-up" related to PROMIS software.

Hamilton writes:

http://oraclesyndicate.twoday.net/stories/2945207 /


...

The cover-up also prompted the FBI to pull its punches when the FBI’s Albuquerque office conducted an investigation into a PROMIS sale in New Mexico during the summer of 1984, the same year the Intelligence Division at FBI Headquarters created the first Bureau-wide case management system using a stolen copy of PROMIS. Employees of New Mexico’s Sandia National Laboratory, one of the two main U.S. intelligence centers on nuclear warfare, complained to FBI Albuquerque that the foreign national who made the PROMIS sale was simultaneously doing business with the Soviet Union. The Intelligence Division supervised all FBI counterintelligence investigations. FBI Albuquerque abruptly terminated its investigation without reversing the illegal PROMIS sale, and advised the Sandia witnesses that they could appeal the decision to FBI Headquarters if they wished.

...

This software later made its way on the Russian black market to al Qaeda, which used it both to find out what the United States knew about al Qaeda’s plans, by accessing U.S. Government intelligence systems, and to move its funds through the banking system.

...

In reality, the FBI never stopped using PROMIS. The FBI used its ACS software development project in 1995 and 1996 to disguise the PROMIS origins of FOIMS, the FBI’s primary information management system, by converting (translating) the PROMIS-derivative FOIMS from the COBOL computer programming language in which INSLAW had written it, to the NATURAL language made by Software AG. The FBI also later changed the name from FOIMS to ACS. The following excerpt from a May 1996 email message from Software AG in Reston, Virginia to its parent company in Germany is about the conversion of the PROMIS-derivative FOIMS:

...

The U.S. Justice Department arranged for Eitan to visit INSLAW in early 1983, disguised as a visiting Israeli prosecutor, for a demonstration and briefing on PROMIS. Eitan hired Robert Maxwell, the British publisher, to sell PROMIS overseas, and Maxwell sold over $500 million worth of PROMIS. The CIA also directly arranged the sale of another $30-40 million of PROMIS overseas. PROMIS was a very successful computer-based intelligence initiative. PROMIS was also used by U.S. intelligence in banks, and to track information within such agencies as FBI, CIA, and DEA. Israel eventually exploited PROMIS databases of the U.S. Government in its espionage against the United States.



Much more at the link.

See also Indira Singh's testimony regarding PTECH and its PROMIS origins.

[seemslikeadream]

16. "The INSLAW Affair"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y41J-T0N-C0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDH9MReekLM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1gNCGwP_fo

[seemslikeadream]

17. and then there is this interesting little story

PROMIIS ** Expose the Octopus!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjnhRnaevU0&feature...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ej4whkgVdWY&feature...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgrAiPEbFfI&feature...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjAwluJkAF0&feature...



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZCWx45Tjto
and on and on

[Bolo Boffin]

43. It should be pointed out that Barry talks about the dead bodies after the collapse of the towers

In even his timeline.

I don't think that would have been the triage site. They got word to pull out in plenty of time.

Therefore, there were bodies strewn there from the collapse of WTC 1.

[Bassman66]

49. how does pancaking throw bodies so far? nt.

[Bolo Boffin]

52. You go on and beat that poor straw man iffn you want to.

It does seem all tuckered out, though.

[Bassman66]

53. It's not a strawman.

How do bodies get "strewn" so far by a pancaking building?

[Bolo Boffin]

54. Pancaking wasn't the only thing going on with that building at that point.

The sides of WTC 1 were peeling out. The air being blasted out of the building was tossing people around on the street unlucky enough to be that close.

WTC 7 was also being used as an evacuation route. The ramp that went under the east side of the building fed the entire complex. These people could also have been killed by the falling debris of 1.

[Bassman66]

55. They were "strewn" into WTC7?

Is that what you are saying?

[Bolo Boffin]

57. I'm saying that's one explanation, yes.

It has the benefit of agreeing with actual facts of the situation, instead of your dark imaginings.

[Bassman66]

60. What facts is that agreeing with?

Are you saying Barry is correct about that?

Why that and not the other?

How did Barry get from 6th floor to 8th if the building was gashed from 10 to ground? He said the 6th floor disappeared from under him.

WHere are the pictures of building 7 that prove this? Why is NIST so sparse on the picture front? How many hours was it standing before it fell? No one documented the damage?


edit: 7 not 10

[Bolo Boffin]

62. The "building tearing itself apart and throwing debris everywhere" facts

Are you saying Barry is correct about that?

Why that and not the other?

I'm saying that Barry is correct about the things he directly experienced. It's his interpretation of events outside his direct experience that he could be wrong about, and as the facts shows, he usually is.

For instance, Barry says that he "had to be" in the deserted OEM at the time the second plane actually hit the South Tower. Do you believe that? I don't. It was about an hour later, actually. The OEM was evacuated between 9:40 and 10:00. That's when he and Hess get up there.

Why did Jennings and Hess take the elevator up but the stairs down? Because when WTC 2 collapsed, it blew power out of 7. The elevators stopped working. They spent time trying to find the stairwell, and then descended to the sixth floor in time to experience WTC1 collapsing and hitting 7. Barry is a great witness for what he actually experienced, but his timeline is off. He's not lying. He's mistaken. People make mistakes like this in hugely chaotic events.

How did Barry get from 6th floor to 8th if the building was gashed from 10 to ground? He said the 6th floor disappeared from under him.

Straw man. Who's said anything about "the building was gashed from 10 to ground"? You.

WHere are the pictures of building 7 that prove this? Why is NIST so sparse on the picture front? How many hours was it standing before it fell? No one documented the damage?

NIST is "sparse on the picture front" for several reasons. One, they haven't released their final report on 7 yet. Two, there are some pictures we have of the damage, which you are no doubt aware of, but they are few and far between because the building's south side is usually obscured with the thick smoke billowing out of the building. Also, most people who could have taken pictures of 7 in Manhattan got the hell out after two 110-story buildings collapsed in the vicinity. After that, police maintained a perimeter and kept others out. Around 2:30, the entire area was cleared of even first responders due to the Fire Department's determination that 7 was too risky to even be around.

That's why we don't have a lot of pictures of the damage to 7. Normally, a 47-story building on fire like that would be heavily documented. It would have been the news of the day for quite a while. On September 11th, it was a footnote.

[Bassman66]

64. NIST

"Straw man. Who's said anything about "the building was gashed from 10 to ground"? You."

Part IIC – WTC 7 Collapse - Final (page 15)

Debris Damage from WTC 1:

• Heavy debris on Vesey Street and WTC 7 Promenade.

• No heavy debris observed in lobby area, white dust coating.

• SW Corner Damage – floors 8 to 18.

• South face damage between two exterior columns - roof level down 5 to 10 floors, extent not known.

• South Face Damage:
-- middle 1/4 -1/3 width south face, 10th floor to ground.
-- large debris hole near center around 14th floor.
-- 1/4 width south face, above 5th floor, atrium glass intact.
-- 8th / 9th floor from inside, visible south wall gone with more damage to west, 2 elevator cars dislodged into elevator lobby.

[Bassman66]

65. "Two, there are some pictures we have of the damage, which you are no doubt aware of,"

I am.

The corner one is a fake.

Why when NIST have hours worth of photos and vidoes did it choose to use a fake photo?

Where is that final report?

[Bolo Boffin]

66. That picture is not a fake.

If NIST has documentation of the damage below the 10th floor, they will present it.

Capishe? I don't have it. Don't ask me about that again. Ask NIST. That's who told you that. They are the ones with the answer to your question.

Understand? Good.

[Bassman66]

67. Busted. nt.

[Bolo Boffin]

68. Yes, your factual inaccuracy about the picture was busted. n/t

[Bassman66]

69. Stop attacking me, stop harassing me.

Busted.

[Ghost in the Machine]

81. LMAO!! Well Played!

:thumbsup:

[vincent_vega_lives]

72. Please, please, please

either provide proof the photo is a "fake" or just stop...please.

:eyes:

[Bassman66]

73. Fake

Why did NIST choose that picture? They surely have hundreds to choose from.

[vincent_vega_lives]

75. Ok why do you think it was a fake?

I have seen this before, and I know what is being thunk.

You can see starting on 14-15 that the facade is peeled back. That vertical LINE is NOT the edge of the building. It is INTERIOR. The outside corner of the building stops at 10-11.

The claim the photo is a fake is the result of poor photo analysis.

[Bassman66]

76. You saying there is a comparsion

between the appearance of floors 14-15 in the two photos?

I don't think so.

Why did NIST choose that particular photo?

That must have hundreds to choose from.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

77. Isn't it relevant that the photo on the left is of a grey building

and WTC7 is clearly brown?

[Grateful for Hope]

78. I think the color difference

Could be the result of lighting, camera, etc. I don't think that fact, in and of itself, means too much.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

79. The lighting and coloration of the photo on the left is really weird.

[Bassman66]

80. OH you have a point!

Only joking.

Read up about cameras and what those little chips inside them do.