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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 11:27 AM
Original message
Largest Swiss Newspaper Asks if Bush Was Behind 9/11
Edited on Sun Jun-01-08 11:43 AM by seemslikeadream
http://www.blick.ch/news/ausland/9-11/artikel45057

ZRICH 2973 Menschen starben bei den Anschlgen von 9/11. Bin Laden und Al Kaida, schrie der Bush-Clan. Die Welt glaubte ihm. Inzwischen zweifeln selbst Wissenschaftler an der Bush-Version. Auch die Schweizer Uni-Dozenten Albert A. Stahel (63) und Daniele Ganser (34) stellen jetzt heisse Fragen.

Etwas stimmt nicht, sagt Strategieexperte Stahel in der Weltwoche und verweist auf den lckenhaften offiziellen 9/11-Report der US-Regierung von 2004.

Gegenber BLICK besttigt der Uni-Professor die Kritik:

Osama Bin Laden kann nicht der grosse Pate hinter den Anschlgen sein. Er habe nicht genug Kommunikationsmittel gehabt.

Stahel bezweifelt, dass ein Passagierflugzeug ins Pentagon krachte: Fr Flug-Anfnger ist es eigentlich unmglich, das Gebude so genau zu treffen.

Sieben Stunden nach den Twin Towers strzte daneben das World Trade Center 7 ein. Die offizielle Version: Es brannte lange. Stahel: Gar nichts ist klar.

Noch weiter als Stahel geht Historiker Daniele Ganser, sein Kollege an der Uni Zrich. Auch die offizielle US-Version nennt er eine Verschwrungstheorie: Es gibt 3 Theorien, die wir gleichberechtigt behandeln sollten:




By Elie Peter - Sept 15, 2006, BLICK newspaper, Zurich, Switzerland


2,973 humans died with the attacks of 9/11. "Bin Laden" and "Al Qaeda", the Bush clan cried. The world believed them. In the meantime even scientists doubt the Bush version. Now, Swiss university professors Albert A. Stahel and Daniele Ganser raise new questions.

"Something is not correct", says strategy expert Stahel in "World Week", and here he refers to the "incomplete" official US Government 9/11 Report of 2004.

The university professor confirms his criticism in BLICK: "Osama Bin Laden cannot be 'the large godfather' behind the attacks. He did not have enough means of communication".

Dr. Stahel doubts that a passenger airliner crashed into the Pentagon: "For trainee pilots it is actually impossible to crash into the building so exactly. Seven hours after the Twin Towers collapsed, the World Trade Center Building 7 next to it also collapsed. The official version: It burned for a long time. Nothing at all is clear."

Raising questions along with Stahel is historian Dr. Daniele Ganser, his colleague at the University of Zurich. Dr. Ganser also calls the official US version "a conspiracy theory".

"There are three theories, which we should treat equally":

1. "Surprise theory" - Bin Laden and Al Qaeda implemented the attacks.

2. "Let it happen on purpose" - The US Government knew the Al Qaeda plans and did not react in order to legitimize a series of wars.

3. "Made it happen on purpose" - The attacks were actually planned and orchestrated by the Pentagon and/or US secret services.

Ganser: "3,000 humans were sacrificed for strategic interests. The more we research, the more we doubt the Bush version. It is conceivable that the Bush government was responsible. Bush has lied so much already! And we already know that the US government planned an operation in 1962 that was approved by the Pentagon that would have sacrificed innocent US citizens for the government's own interests."

As for Ganser and Stahel: "We only ask questions."
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 11:33 AM
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1. Your headline is extremely misleading, SLAD
The paper is not asking if Bush was behind 9/11. They are reporting about two professors asking that question. Do you know how to read? You ought to correct this egregious error.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 11:39 AM
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2. .........SDuderstadt
Edited on Sun Jun-01-08 11:48 AM by seemslikeadream
3 Theorien, die wir gleichberechtigt behandeln sollten:



berraschungs-Theorie Bin Laden und Al Kaida fhrten die Anschlge aus.


Lass es absichtlich passieren Teile der US-Regierung kannten die Al-Kaida-Plne. Sie reagierten nicht, um eine Serie von Kriegen zu legitimieren.


Fhre es absichtlich selbst aus Die Anschlge wurden vom Pentagon und/oder Geheimdiensten ausgefhrt. Die Bin-Laden-Videos sind geflscht. 3000 Menschen wurden fr strategische Interessen geopfert.




"There are three theories, which we should treat equally":


1. "Surprise theory" - Bin Laden and Al Qaeda implemented the attacks.

2. "Let it happen on purpose" - The US Government knew the Al Qaeda plans and did not react in order to legitimize a series of wars.

3. "Made it happen on purpose" - The attacks were actually planned and orchestrated by the Pentagon and/or US secret services.

















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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 11:43 AM
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3. The paper is QUOTING Ganser, SLAD...
That is NOT the same thing as the paper saying or asking it. I repeat my question. Can you read or are you deliberately misrepresenting this?
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 11:47 AM
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4. Asks SDuderstadt
Edited on Sun Jun-01-08 11:48 AM by seemslikeadream
Asks











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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 11:51 AM
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5. Do you have any integrity at all, SLAD?
Will you admit that you are seriously misrepresenting the article in your headline?

Let me put this in context for you. Let's say the San Francisco Chronicle runs an article about evolution-deniers or ID proponents and cites them extensively. Does that mean that the SF Chronicle is denying evolution or promoting Intelligent Design? Your intellectual dishonesty is astounding and embarrassing.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 11:55 AM
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6. ASKS SDuderstadt
Edited on Sun Jun-01-08 11:57 AM by seemslikeadream
ASKS

http://www.answers.com/topic/ask
., asked, asking, asks.

v.tr.
To put a question to: When we realized that we didn't know the answer, we asked the teacher.
To seek an answer to: ask a question.
To seek information about: asked directions.

To make a request of: asked me for a loan.
To make a request for. Often used with an infinitive or clause: ask a favor of a friend; asked to go along on the trip; asked that he be allowed to stay out late.
To require or call for as a price or condition: asked ten dollars for the book.
To expect or demand: ask too much of a child.
To invite: asked them to dinner.
Archaic. To publish, as marriage banns.
v.intr.
To make inquiry; seek information.
To make a request: asked for help.
idioms:
ask for it (or trouble) Informal.

To persist in an action despite the likelihood that it will result in difficulty or punishment.
ask out
To invite (someone) to a social engagement.



asker ask'er n.












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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 11:58 AM
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7. SLAD...this is REAL simple
Edited on Sun Jun-01-08 12:12 PM by SDuderstadt
The paper is running an article about two professors, not drawing a conclusion or asking the question itself. If the paper is asking the question about the three theories or making the claim themselves, WHY do they put them inside quotation marks? It's clear they are quoting one of the professors. Your attempts to weasel out of this are very telling. Why can't you simply admit that your headline seriously misrepresents the article and misleads the readers of your post?

Please show where the paper itself is asking if Bush was behind 9/11 as opposed to running an article in which it REPORTS about the two professors asking that question. I despise George Bush for precisely the very tactics you are using here. Either you cannot read or the truth does not matter to you.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 12:01 PM
Response to Reply #7
8. this is REAL simple, ASKS SDuderstadt
this is REAL simple, ASKS SDuderstadt






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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 12:04 PM
Response to Reply #8
9. "This is REAL simple" is...
a STATEMENT SLAD, not a question. Do you have any critical thinking or reading skills at all?
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 12:06 PM
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10.  Do you have any critical thinking or reading skills at all SDuderstadt ?
Edited on Sun Jun-01-08 12:07 PM by seemslikeadream
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 12:07 PM
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11. Yeah, SLAD...
Edited on Sun Jun-01-08 12:08 PM by SDuderstadt
I can read a newspaper quoting someone and make a distinction as to who said it as opposed to merely quoting it. You apparently can't. Why can't you simply admit that you either misrepresented the article or you're just a sloppy writer?
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 12:08 PM
Response to Reply #11
12. You apparently can't SDuderstadt
Edited on Sun Jun-01-08 12:18 PM by seemslikeadream













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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 12:10 PM
Response to Reply #12
13. Simple question, SLAD...
Edited on Sun Jun-01-08 12:23 PM by SDuderstadt
Show us where the newspaper (as opposed to the subjects of the article) question whether Bush was behind 9/11. This should be easy. Or do you not understand what quotation marks mean?

Your lack of integrity is stunning, SLAD and is quite similar to what I would expect from the Bush administration. Let me give you an example:

Bushb gives a speech in which he defends the invasion of Iraq and lays out his rationale for doing so.

The SF Chronicle reports on Bush's speech and quotes his rationale.

Bush, in turn, cites the SF Chronicle as, thus, supporting his rationale, when all they did was report on it.


Do you get it? Again, your lack of integrity is every bit as stunning as Bush's.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 12:21 PM
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14. .......
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 12:24 PM
Response to Reply #14
15. Jesus, this is getting stupid....
how does reposting the article in Swiss resolve anything or address my posts, SLAD? Are you incapable of admitting a mistake?
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 12:28 PM
Response to Reply #15
16. Jesus, this is getting stupid....SDuderstadt
Edited on Sun Jun-01-08 12:28 PM by seemslikeadream
Are you incapable of..........?


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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 12:44 PM
Response to Reply #16
24. Can you answer the question?
Why are you obfuscating? Is this more of your lack of integrity.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 12:49 PM
Response to Reply #24
27. How many more examples will be enough for you SD?
Edited on Sun Jun-01-08 12:50 PM by seemslikeadream
I'll keep going, all day if you want, you let me know and then I'll stop


I wonder have you ever tried fly fishing?
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 12:59 PM
Response to Reply #27
34. I'm a great fly fisherman, SLAD.
Too bad you can't answer simple questions or admit you made a mistake. Your "data dump" does nothing to support your dishonest headline. Enough of your silliness. You simply have zero critical thinking skills.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 01:00 PM
Response to Reply #34
36. SDuderstadt post
SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Sun Jun-01-08 11:43 AM
Response to Reply #2
3. The paper is QUOTING Ganser, SLAD...
That is NOT the same thing as the paper saying or asking it. I repeat my question. Can you read or are you deliberately misrepresenting this?
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 12:32 PM
Response to Reply #15
17. THE NEW YORK TIMES ASKS
THE NEW YORK TIMES ASKS WHY SO FEW WOMEN REACH THE TOP OF BIG LAW FIRMS, PART 1 OF 3: MENTORING AND NETWORKING

http://happyfeminist.typepad.com/happyfeminist/2006/03/...
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 12:56 PM
Response to Reply #17
31. This post (as well as those that follow)...
Edited on Sun Jun-01-08 01:00 PM by SDuderstadt
have NOTHING to do with the OP. Are you doing this deliberately? Are you being silly on purpose? If you were, how could we tell (cmpared to your normal M.O.)?
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 12:58 PM
Response to Reply #31
33. THIS HAS EVERTHING TO DO WITH YOUR QUESTION SD
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 01:03 PM
Response to Reply #33
38. No, it doesn't. SLAD
You seem to think that a paper quoting someone as asking something is the same thing as asking that themselves. As I said before, you have zero critical thinking skills if you cannot grasp that distinction. Nuance is not your thing, SLAD. I'd avoid it, if I were you.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 01:05 PM
Response to Reply #38
40. I will keep giving you examples all day of people using the word "ASK"
in the same way, If you want to condemn also I will stop.







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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 01:07 PM
Response to Reply #40
42. Why can't you simply admit that your headline....
misrepresents the article, SLAD? The myriad of blog citations you're peppering us with here does nothing to mitigate your mistake and intellectual dishonesty. You're now getting worse than Bush in your grasping for straws.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 01:08 PM
Response to Reply #42
44. Why can't YOU admit that the word "ASK" is used ALL the time in the same way?
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 01:16 PM
Response to Reply #44
47. If you can't see the difference between what you did and...
your examples, I can't help you. Like I said before, nuance is not your strong suit (paraphrased). Now, I've given up on you ever simply admitting your error and I'm done with your silliness and utter lack of integrity.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 01:19 PM
Response to Reply #47
50. Point directly to the difference here SD PLEASE SHOW ME THE LIGHT
Edited on Sun Jun-01-08 01:20 PM by seemslikeadream
Largest Swiss Newspaper Asks if Bush Was Behind 9/11


New York Times Asks: Why No War Coverage??
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 01:21 PM
Response to Reply #50
51. I give up, SLAD.....
seriously. If you can't see the difference, I can't help you.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 01:26 PM
Response to Reply #51
53. Try these
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 01:52 PM
Response to Reply #53
54. I'm going to try one time, SLAD....
Edited on Sun Jun-01-08 01:56 PM by SDuderstadt
In your example about the NYT and tribute, the headline of the NYT actually says: "A debate arises: How much tribute is enough?", The blogger made the same mistake you made. The NYT is not asking the question. It is saying that a debate has arisen over how much tribute is enough. Do you get that? Or, is your defense that "everyone is doing it"? In the case of the Swiss newspaper, they are simply quoting 2 professors who question whether Bush was behind 9/11. As I challenged you before, please show us where the newspaper itself is questioning it, as opposed to merely citing someone else's questioning of it. Again, I doubt if you will grasp the nuance here. It reminds me of trying to debate RWers who claim that direct eyewitness (earwitness) testimony as to what someone said is hearsay (it's not....hearsay is when someone claims to KNOW something based only upon what someone else said....but I doubt you'd comprehend that distinction either). In any case, I despair that you will ever do something as simple as admit your mistake. Instead, you will absorb countless hours of your time trying to rationalize that mistake. Pathetic.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 02:42 PM
Response to Reply #54
55. Boston Globe Asks Why the Democrats Will Not Stop the War Machine
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Sweet Pea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 08:18 AM
Response to Reply #51
71. Good choice
Hopeless. I applaud your valiant effort, though, but if someone can't answer a simple question or come to realize the error of their statement (i.e. a newpaper article does not equate the newspaper advocating a particular position), dumb as a rock comes to mind.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 03:56 PM
Response to Reply #71
78. THEY ARE USING THE EXACT SAME WORD
Edited on Mon Jun-02-08 04:02 PM by seemslikeadream
CAN'T YOU READ A SIMPLE SENTENCE?




New York Times Asks "Digital Projection of Films Is Coming. Now, Who Pays?"

New York Times asks S. Fournier about small companies with big brands

the New York Times asks the question, "How Much Tribute Is Enough?"

New York Times Asks - How Does The New Nikon D200 Stack Up?

New York Times Asks: Why No War Coverage??

Washington Post Asks Is the Palm OS Dying?

The Washington Post asks the two eternal Russian questions

The Washington Post Asks, Is Tom Davis a Eunuch?

Washington Post asks: Why Isn't Jenna Bush Serving In Iraq?

Washington Post Asks Ron Paul if He's Too Angry to be President


The Washington Post asks readers to put their 10 cents in as it raises its cover price

Flying Pigs moment; The Washington Post asks, `Will the West fight back?'

The Washington Post asks "Where Did the French Go?"
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 03:58 PM
Response to Reply #78
80. SLAD....your defense appears to be...
that other people have made similar mistakes or misrepresented the meaning of something, so you should be let off the hook. You do realize how flimsy a post hoc rationalization that is, right?
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 04:04 PM
Response to Reply #80
81. You're the making a mistake
Edited on Mon Jun-02-08 04:04 PM by seemslikeadream
New York Times Asks "Digital Projection of Films Is Coming. Now, Who Pays?"

New York Times asks S. Fournier about small companies with big brands

the New York Times asks the question, "How Much Tribute Is Enough?"

New York Times Asks - How Does The New Nikon D200 Stack Up?

New York Times Asks: Why No War Coverage??

Washington Post Asks Is the Palm OS Dying?

The Washington Post asks the two eternal Russian questions

The Washington Post Asks, Is Tom Davis a Eunuch?

Washington Post asks: Why Isn't Jenna Bush Serving In Iraq?

Washington Post Asks Ron Paul if He's Too Angry to be President


The Washington Post asks readers to put their 10 cents in as it raises its cover price

Flying Pigs moment; The Washington Post asks, `Will the West fight back?'

The Washington Post asks "Where Did the French Go?"
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 04:08 PM
Response to Reply #81
82. I see...you're trying to be let off the hook because others have made the mistake you made...
Edited on Mon Jun-02-08 04:09 PM by SDuderstadt
why didn't you simply say so? And it would be nice if you would proof your posts first, rather than post with incoherent subject lines. i do have to admit, however, that this is written better than your famous, "I could have went on all night" post. That was a SLAD classic.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 04:11 PM
Response to Reply #82
83. I'm not letting anyone off the hook NO MISTAKES MADE
Edited on Mon Jun-02-08 04:12 PM by seemslikeadream
New York Times Asks "Digital Projection of Films Is Coming. Now, Who Pays?"

New York Times asks S. Fournier about small companies with big brands

the New York Times asks the question, "How Much Tribute Is Enough?"

New York Times Asks - How Does The New Nikon D200 Stack Up?

New York Times Asks: Why No War Coverage??

Washington Post Asks Is the Palm OS Dying?

The Washington Post asks the two eternal Russian questions

The Washington Post Asks, Is Tom Davis a Eunuch?

Washington Post asks: Why Isn't Jenna Bush Serving In Iraq?

Washington Post Asks Ron Paul if He's Too Angry to be President


The Washington Post asks readers to put their 10 cents in as it raises its cover price

Flying Pigs moment; The Washington Post asks, `Will the West fight back?'

The Washington Post asks "Where Did the French Go?"
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 04:16 PM
Response to Reply #83
84. Yeah, putting it in capital letters is really convincing, SLAD
I ask again...if a newspaper runs an article about an Intelligent Design proponent and quotes them denying evolution, is that the same thing as the newspaper questioning evolution? Why can't any of you answer this simple question? Why do you seem to have such trouble with precision and critical thinking? Also, since this was your OP, I'd really be interested in your answers to my post questioning why the german and english versions of the article don't synchronize. I hope you didn't "play" with them. I find it troubling that the English "translation" contains text the German version does not.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 12:59 PM
Response to Reply #31
35. LET ME REFRESH YOUR MEMORY
Try and keep up it was a very long time ago, I know


SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Sun Jun-01-08 11:43 AM
Response to Reply #2
3. The paper is QUOTING Ganser, SLAD...
That is NOT the same thing as the paper saying or asking it. I repeat my question. Can you read or are you deliberately misrepresenting this?
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 01:04 PM
Response to Reply #35
39. Do you understand the difference between...
quoting someone asking a question and asking that question yourself???????
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 01:06 PM
Response to Reply #39
41. Do you fucking see all the examples of other people doing the same thing?


















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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 01:08 PM
Response to Reply #41
43. Slad....
I give up. Not only do you have no integrity, you're now trying to rationalize it. I don't care how many examples you give. You also might want to consider anger management classes.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 01:09 PM
Response to Reply #43
45. You also need some classes SD
It is VERY apparent to me
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 01:13 PM
Response to Reply #45
46. Why am I not surprised, SLAD?
Rather than admit your error, you're now projecting it onto me. Hint: I am not the one claiming that a newspaper article quoting someone asking questions is the same thing as the newspaper asking the questions. Do you honestly think if a newspaper quotes someone questioning the patriotism of someone questioning Bush, that is the same thing as the newspaper questioning their patiotism? Do you?
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 01:16 PM
Response to Reply #46
48. Why can't you remember your own question SD it was only a few minutes ago
I am only giving you a simple direct answer to your inquiry
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 12:48 AM
Response to Reply #17
64. The author, O'Brien, is on the staff of the New York Times.
In the case you linked to, it's appropriate to say "The New York Times Asks", because the New York Times employs O'Brien to fucking write for the New York Times. Timothy O'brien's article is about Timothy O'brien's pov.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 05:52 AM
Response to Reply #64
70. one down 10000 to go greyl
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 12:32 PM
Response to Reply #15
18. New York Times Asks "Digital Projection of Films Is Coming. Now, Who Pays?"
Edited on Sun Jun-01-08 01:01 PM by seemslikeadream
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 09:05 PM
Response to Reply #18
90. Eric Taub works for the New York Times. nt
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 12:33 PM
Response to Reply #15
19. New York Times asks S. Fournier about small companies with big brands
Edited on Sun Jun-01-08 01:02 PM by seemslikeadream
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 09:06 PM
Response to Reply #19
91. New York Times asks S. Fournier ABOUT small companies with big brands.
Please read for comprehension.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 12:35 PM
Response to Reply #15
20. the New York Times asks the question, "How Much Tribute Is Enough?"
Edited on Sun Jun-01-08 01:02 PM by seemslikeadream
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 09:07 PM
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92. N. R. Kleinfeld works for the New York Times. nt
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 12:36 PM
Response to Reply #15
21. New York Times Asks - How Does The New Nikon D200 Stack Up?
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 09:08 PM
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93. Ian Austen works for the New York Times. nt
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 12:37 PM
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22. New York Times Asks: Why No War Coverage??
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 09:09 PM
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94. Richard Perez-Pena works for the New York Times. nt
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 12:38 PM
Response to Reply #15
23. Washington Post Asks Is the Palm OS Dying?
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 09:14 PM
Response to Reply #23
96. Reprinted from PC World in Personal Tech at Washington Post.
Is the palminfocenter the standard of journalism you'd like to aspire to?
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 12:47 PM
Response to Reply #15
25. The Washington Post asks the two eternal Russian questions
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 09:15 PM
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97. Fred Hiatt is editor at the Washington Post. nt
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 12:48 PM
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26. The Washington Post Asks, Is Tom Davis a Eunuch?
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 09:18 PM
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99. No link to the article at Washington Post. Who wrote it? nt
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 12:53 PM
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28. Washington Post asks: Why Isn't Jenna Bush Serving In Iraq?
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 09:19 PM
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100. Robin Givhan works for the Washington Post. nt
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 12:54 PM
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29. Washington Post Asks Ron Paul if He's Too Angry to be President
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 09:19 PM
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101. Robin Givhan, again, works for the Washington Post. nt
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 12:56 PM
Response to Reply #15
30. SPARE A DIME? The Washington Post asks readers to put their 10 cents in as it raises its cover price
Edited on Sun Jun-01-08 12:58 PM by seemslikeadream
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 09:22 PM
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102. You're kidding, right? nt
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 12:57 PM
Response to Reply #15
32. Flying Pigs moment; The Washington Post asks, `Will the West fight back?'
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 09:24 PM
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103. Written by Washington Post editors. nt
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 01:01 PM
Response to Reply #15
37. The Washington Post asks "Where Did the French Go?"
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 09:25 PM
Response to Reply #37
104. Written by Washington Post editors. nt
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 01:16 PM
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49. Your subject line was fair SLAD
By publishing a story about these academics questioning the 9/11 OCT they are implicitly lending it credibility as a question to be asked.

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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 01:22 PM
Response to Reply #49
52. Simple question, then...
If the NYT runs an article with some ID proponent questioning evolution, can one conclude that the NYT is implicitly lending Intelligent Design credibility? Are you kidding?
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CrawlingChaos Donating Member (583 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 04:41 AM
Response to Reply #49
67. I agree! NOT misleading...
This is an article that presents evidence supporting the charge that BushCo's version of 9/11 cannot be true. It is not an article about the two professors, it is an article questioning the official version of 9/11, supported by the comments of the two professors. The paper is clearly intending to put the question before it's readers. (SLaD did use the word "asks" in the subject line)

And thank you to SLaD for posting the article.
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 12:07 PM
Response to Reply #67
74. Please point to the actual "evidence" in the article
Edited on Mon Jun-02-08 12:27 PM by SDuderstadt
If you read it carefully, it's actually the opinions of the professors. How anyone can confuse opinion with fact is beyond me. If you read the quotes, the professors are making evaluative claims, not statements of fact. I'll ask my question again. Suppose a newspaper ran an article citing the arguments of Intelligent Design proponents and quoted them denying evolution. Are you seriously suggesting that the newspaper "clearly intended to put Intelligent Design and questioning evolution before its readers"? Are you serious? Do you actually know what reporting is? I don't know how one can read the wording of the article and divine that the newspaper was pushing a belief. Are you claiming to know the state of mind of the reporter or the paper?

If the paper was making the claim or raising the question, why wouldn't they put it on the editorial page? As I've long believed, the underlying problem with CT's or "truthers" is your abject lack of critical thinking skills, compounded by your inability to grasp nuance. I would highly recomment a class in Critical Thinking or Logic. I'm sure your local community college provides them.
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CrawlingChaos Donating Member (583 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 01:13 PM
Response to Reply #74
76. You are wrong
The subject line did not say "Largest Swiss Newspaper Endorses 9/11 Truth", which would have had to be the case for you to have a leg to stand on.

This is an argument over semantics (started by you) and not a critical thinking issue, however I would suggest signing yourself up for that class -- it might help you stop believing in fairy tales told by the Bush Crime Family.
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 03:35 PM
Response to Reply #76
77. Since you have no idea wtf I believe or why....
Edited on Mon Jun-02-08 03:36 PM by SDuderstadt
your response makes you look silly. As to your lead-off thought, I ask again. If a newspaper runs an article about an Intelligent Design proponent, in the process quoting him or her questioning evolution, does that mean the newspaper is also questioning evolution? Hint: no. I think you need to understand the subject of reporting better and gain the ability to understand the difference between merely reporting and advocacy. How anyone can read that article and draw the conclusions you're drawing is beyond me. At best, one cannot deduce the leaning of the newspaper, which is as it should be.

As to your suggestion about critical thinking, I'll take you on any day. Consider that a challenge, although it is probably one-sided because your posts indicate your lack of crtical thinking skills, especially since you think this is an issue over "semantics", again indicating your inability to think logically. Back to my original point, do you honestly deny that many of the sources for information about 9/11 could not possibly be "controlled" by the "Bush crime family"? Are you seriously suggesting that the FDNY or ASCE is "in on it"? I'd really like to hear you lay out the case for either entity being a part of the "cover-up", especially since the FDNY lost something just shy of 350 members that day.

Last but not least, please point to any part of the article in which they advocate anything or ask anything. Good luck.

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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 06:38 PM
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56. UK's 4th Largest Paper asks if Conspiracy Theorists are Idiots...
or are they Morons?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,201700...

Hey, this can be fun!

Sid
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Flatulo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 08:12 PM
Response to Reply #56
57. Now THAT was a great editorial. Good find, Sid. nt
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 08:49 PM
Response to Reply #57
58. Yes and he has just proven SD was wrong
Edited on Sun Jun-01-08 08:50 PM by seemslikeadream















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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 09:04 PM
Response to Reply #58
59. WTF?
WTF? How have I been proven wrong, SLAD?
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 09:14 PM
Response to Reply #59
60. .........
Edited on Sun Jun-01-08 09:15 PM by seemslikeadream
UK's 4th Largest Paper asks if Conspiracy Theorists are Idiots






















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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 09:20 PM
Response to Reply #60
61. I guess you've never heard of satire, SLAD....
It's kinda sad when people are making fun of you and it goes right over your head.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 09:23 PM
Response to Reply #61
62. It's good that you can admit to your shortcomings
















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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 10:06 PM
Response to Reply #62
63. Another projection from you, SLAD\..
it's getting old.
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Laurier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 01:36 AM
Response to Reply #63
66. Not just old, but also terribly pathetic and sad.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 05:50 AM
Response to Reply #66
68. Not just old, but also terribly pathetic and sad.
Why do you talk about yourself that way?
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Laurier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 08:46 PM
Response to Reply #68
87. What a brilliant riposte.
:eyes:

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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 09:13 PM
Response to Reply #87
95. You are free to post something brilliant
Edited on Mon Jun-02-08 09:16 PM by seemslikeadream
go ahead be my guest, all I've seen from you is babble












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Laurier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 09:51 PM
Response to Reply #95
106. Another brilliant riposte!
:eyes:
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 09:53 PM
Response to Reply #106
107. And another from you
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Laurier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 10:08 PM
Response to Reply #107
109. *sigh*
As should be blatantly apparent, my posts about your "brilliant ripostes" were wholly tongue in cheek commentaries on your juvenile posts above.

Your juvenile posts above, on the other hand, were wholly, well... juvenile.

Why don't you address the substance of the issue under discussion instead of playing silly buggers? See post #105.




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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 10:17 PM
Response to Reply #109
111. Hasn't anyone told you that I REALLY don't care about you and
the 3 Musketeers.




Any fool can criticize, condemn, and complain - and most fools do.

Dale Carnegie
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Laurier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 11:22 PM
Response to Reply #111
113. What on earth are you talking about?
:crazy:

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Laurier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 01:34 AM
Response to Reply #58
65. Um, no. Not even in the wildest fantasies of the most delusional
Um, no. Not even in the wildest fantasies of the most delusional conspiracy fantasists can your interpretation be sustained. You realize that, right?
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 05:51 AM
Response to Reply #65
69. NO read my examples
Edited on Mon Jun-02-08 05:51 AM by seemslikeadream
I could have went on all night
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 11:58 AM
Response to Reply #69
73. SLAD....thanks for confirming what I've always suspected
"I could have went on all night"? Do you know the proper use of "went" and "gone"? I really have a hard time taking someone who commits such egregious grammatical errors as saying "I could have went on all night", when they mean "I could have gone on all night", seriously. I guess we should be thankful you didn't say, "I could OF went on all night". I honestly used to think that part of the problem with communicating with you is that you are quite ill-informed. I am starting to realize you don't appear to be very educated either. Thus, I am starting to understand why many of your posts are incoherent, disjointed and/or ponderously long (I assume you subscribe to the old saw, "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit"). In fact, many of your posts read like a rather huge non sequitur.

As a young child, I was usually embarrassed when my grandmother and great-aunt (her sister) said things like "he don't" or "she don't" instead of "he doesn't" or "she doesn't". I would, however, take into account that neither of them had much in the way of formal education and usually just bite my tongue. I am willing to extend you the same courtesy, but I am inclined to pay little attention to your posts in the future. I'd write more but I am late for my NWO executive board meeting.
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Laurier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 08:48 PM
Response to Reply #69
88. I have read them.
Edited on Mon Jun-02-08 08:50 PM by Laurier
It seems quite obvious that you do not comprehend the difference between a newspaper reporting on something and a newspaper adopting an editorial position on something.

It is a very important difference, and one that you should consider learning before you embarrass yourself further.


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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 08:55 PM
Response to Reply #88
89. There is no difference in the words ask and ask
Edited on Mon Jun-02-08 08:58 PM by seemslikeadream
New York Times Asks "Digital Projection of Films Is Coming. Now, Who Pays?"

New York Times asks S. Fournier about small companies with big brands

the New York Times asks the question, "How Much Tribute Is Enough?"

New York Times Asks - How Does The New Nikon D200 Stack Up?

New York Times Asks: Why No War Coverage??

Washington Post Asks Is the Palm OS Dying?

The Washington Post asks the two eternal Russian questions

The Washington Post Asks, Is Tom Davis a Eunuch?

Washington Post asks: Why Isn't Jenna Bush Serving In Iraq?

Washington Post Asks Ron Paul if He's Too Angry to be President

SPARE A DIME? The Washington Post asks readers to put their 10 cents in as it raises its cover price

Flying Pigs moment; The Washington Post asks, `Will the West fight back?'

The Washington Post asks "Where Did the French Go?"
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Laurier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 09:39 PM
Response to Reply #89
105. There is a vast difference, however,
between a newspaper asking a question (i.e. when it adopts a particular editorial stance on the subject matter) and someone else asking a question (i.e. when the newspaper merely reports upon the subject matter and the fact that someone else is asking a question).

A newspaper, by reporting upon a question asked by someone does not = the newspaper asking that question. It is merely telling a story, which is what newspapers do.

To reduce it to even more simple terms for you, seemslikeadream, consider this scenario:

1. You post something on the Internet in which you ask whether or not 9-11 was an inside job.
2. I write a story in my newspaper about you asking that question and the Internet discussion that ensued.

Q. Who is questioning whether 9 11 was an inside job?

The answer is you. Not me, not my newspaper. I merely reported upon it.



And to take it a bit further, if in addition to reporting in my paper about your question, I also write an editorial about it and espouse the view that your question is a legitimate one that ought to be vigorously explored, etc. etc. because there are so many "unanswered questions" and so many "anomolies" and so many "smoking guns", then it would be fair to contend, at least metaphorically, that I too am asking the question.

Alternatively, if in addition to reporting in my paper about your question, I also write an editorial about it and espouse the view that your question is entirely devoid of merit, that your arguments are utterly ludicrous, baseless and unfounded, and that only individuals lacking any rational or critical thinking skills could possibly be taken in by the snake oil salesmen who peddle such ridiculous conspiracy theories to the credulous and the gullible, then it would not be fair to contend that I too am asking the question.

Do you honestly not understand this? It is really, really, basic and fundamental stuff.



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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 07:59 AM
Response to Reply #105
118. Good post...
one that very clearly demonstrates why the title of the OP is misleading.

Sid
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 09:17 PM
Response to Reply #88
98. You have strange priorities
Edited on Mon Jun-02-08 09:22 PM by seemslikeadream
I am embarrassed about this being done in my name, why would I hold the same weight to something so trivial. Do you really entertain the notion that I would care one iota what you or SD spew.




YOU HAVE REALLY WEIRD PRIORITIES
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Laurier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 10:01 PM
Response to Reply #98
108. What on earth are you talking about?
I simply responded to your lack of comprehension on a subject that you raised and pointed out your error.


Now, you seem to be suggesting that instead of responding to your post, I should be doing...something else...and that the fact that I responded to your post indicates...something.

How very, very strange.

It actually appears that you know now that you were wrong and that you are just too stubborn and perhaps too embarrassed to admit it, so instead you are going off on a tangent that is completely out in lalaland.

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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 08:40 AM
Response to Reply #58
72. You can't be serious...


Sid
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 12:28 PM
Response to Reply #72
75. The really scary thing is...
she IS serious. It's incomprehensible to me that people can be so devoid of critical thinking skills and still function normally.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 11:30 PM
Response to Reply #75
114. Deleted sub-thread
Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 06:37 PM
Response to Reply #75
122. so devoid of critical thinking
Edited on Wed Jun-04-08 06:38 PM by seemslikeadream
you should know SD


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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 06:38 PM
Response to Reply #72
123. YES I am
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 03:56 PM
Response to Original message
79. I am really puzzled by something here...
If you look at the excerpt of the original article (in German, I presume), then compare it to the "english translation" below, it's clear that they don't synchronize. For example, in the German version, the first references to the professors apparently list their ages behind their names (61 and 34). This is completely missing from the english "translation", however, this is not a major concern, although it does indicate it is not a literal translation.

Towards the end of the German version, it appears to end a full nine lines earlier than the so-called "english translation" below. I'd like to know: who translated this? Why did they leave out the relevant German portions? More importantly, are the last nine lines of the "english translation" actually from the article or did someone add or surmise that? If these questions cannot be answered properly, it might just be that this is, yet, one more example of the dishonesty or plain sloppiness of the "truth movement". Does anyone here actually speak German?
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Andre II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 04:51 PM
Response to Reply #79
85. not dishonest at all
Edited on Mon Jun-02-08 04:51 PM by Andre II
My German is quite ok.
The translation is correct. Only the last German sentence in the original it is said that Ganser is going even further in his criticism then Stahle.
The rest of Ganser's argument:
"There are three theories, which we should treat equally":

1. "Surprise theory" - Bin Laden and Al Qaeda implemented the attacks.

2. "Let it happen on purpose" - The US Government knew the Al Qaeda plans and did not react in order to legitimize a series of wars.

3. "Made it happen on purpose" - The attacks were actually planned and orchestrated by the Pentagon and/or US secret services.

Ganser: "3,000 humans were sacrificed for strategic interests. The more we research, the more we doubt the Bush version. It is conceivable that the Bush government was responsible. Bush has lied so much already! And we already know that the US government planned an operation in 1962 that was approved by the Pentagon that would have sacrificed innocent US citizens for the government's own interests."

As for Ganser and Stahel: "We only ask questions."



is not in the German quote.
Yet, knowing Ganser's work pretty well I can confirm that this is "modell" as he has presented it in several discussions on Swiss television.
This guy btw is not a nobody but maybe the historian with the biggest knowledge on Operation Gladio. In fact he wrote his PhD on this and published his thesis in English which was translated in several languages.
So no reason to be paranoid and imagine dishonesty of the so called "truth movement"
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 05:50 PM
Response to Reply #85
86. Omigod....
My point that the text does not appear in the German version is true, but "you can cofirm that" this is what the article says??? Would you accept that from a so-called "OCTer"? Why doesn't the author include all the text and let the reader decide??? Oy.
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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 01:23 AM
Response to Reply #86
116. There's a thing called a "LINK" in the OP.. try clicking on it, it gives the full German version..
Here it is again, in case you missed it:

http://www.blick.ch/news/ausland/9-11/artikel45057

ZRICH 2973 Menschen starben bei den Anschlgen von 9/11. Bin Laden und Al Kaida, schrie der Bush-Clan. Die Welt glaubte ihm. Inzwischen zweifeln selbst Wissenschaftler an der Bush-Version. Auch die Schweizer Uni-Dozenten Albert A. Stahel (63) und Daniele Ganser (34) stellen jetzt heisse Fragen.

Etwas stimmt nicht, sagt Strategieexperte Stahel in der Weltwoche und verweist auf den lckenhaften offiziellen 9/11-Report der US-Regierung von 2004.

Gegenber BLICK besttigt der Uni-Professor die Kritik:

Osama Bin Laden kann nicht der grosse Pate hinter den Anschlgen sein. Er habe nicht genug Kommunikationsmittel gehabt.

Stahel bezweifelt, dass ein Passagierflugzeug ins Pentagon krachte: Fr Flug-Anfnger ist es eigentlich unmglich, das Gebude so genau zu treffen.

Sieben Stunden nach den Twin Towers strzte daneben das World Trade Center 7 ein. Die offizielle Version: Es brannte lange. Stahel: Gar nichts ist klar.

Noch weiter als Stahel geht Historiker Daniele Ganser, sein Kollege an der Uni Zrich. Auch die offizielle US-Version nennt er eine Verschwrungstheorie: Es gibt 3 Theorien, die wir gleichberechtigt behandeln sollten:



berraschungs-Theorie Bin Laden und Al Kaida fhrten die Anschlge aus.


Lass es absichtlich passieren Teile der US-Regierung kannten die Al-Kaida-Plne. Sie reagierten nicht, um eine Serie von Kriegen zu legitimieren.


Fhre es absichtlich selbst aus Die Anschlge wurden vom Pentagon und/oder Geheimdiensten ausgefhrt. Die Bin-Laden-Videos sind geflscht. 3000 Menschen wurden fr strategische Interessen geopfert.

Ganser: Je mehr wir forschen, desto mehr zweifeln wir an Bushs Version. Fr ihn ist denkbar, dass die Bush-Regierung verantwortlich war. Bush hat schon so viel gelogen! Und bereits 1962 gab es im Pentagon einen Plan, unschuldige US-Brger fr eigene Interessen zu opfern. So weit wie Ganser geht Stahel nicht: Ich stelle nur Fragen.

Lesen Sie weiter in der gedruckten Ausgabe
http://www.blick.ch/news/ausland/9-11/artikel45057


There's also this thing called "Google". It's a pretty popular search engine. You can use it to search a term such as "German to English translation free" and find a link, like this: http://ets.freetranslation.com /

That link didn't translate as well as the OP, but it's the first link I tried.. there's many more translators to choose from. Here's what this one gave me:

ZURICH 2973 persons died in the attacks of 9/11. "am store" and "al Kaida", screamed the Bush clan. The world believed it. In the mean time even scientists doubt the Bush version. Also the Swiss universities instructors Albert A. Stahel (63) and Daniele gander (34) ask now hot questions.

"Something agrees", strategy expert Stahel in the "world does not say week" and refers to the "lckenhaften" of official 9/11-Report of the US government of 2004.

The university professor confirms opposite VIEW the criticism:

Osama bin Laden the large godfather" cannot be "behind the attacks. It had not had enough communication means.

Stahel doubts that a passenger airplane crashed into the Pentagon: "For flight beginner is it actually impossible, the building so exactly to encounter."

Seven hours after the Twin tower collapsed beside it that World Trade Centers 7. The official version: It burned long. Stahel: "Nothing at all is clear."

Yet further as Stahel, historian goes Daniele gander, its colleague at the university Zurich. It names also the official US version "a conspiracy theory" : "There are equally treat should" 3 theories, that we:



Store and al Kaida am carried out "surprises theory" the attacks.

"Let intentionally happen" it part the US government knew the al-Kaida-plans. They did not react in order to legitimize a series of getting.

It intentionally itself "went were carried out out of" the attacks of the Pentagon and/or secret services. That am are falsified-stores-videos. 3000 persons were sacrificed for strategic interests.

Gander: "The more we search, the more doubt we Bushs version." For it is conceivable that the Bush government was responsible. "Bush already so much put! There were and already 1962 in the Pentagon a plan to sacrifice innocent US citizens for own interests." So far like gander, Stahel does not go: "I ask only questions."

Read further in the printed edition


Hell, if she would have posted all that, you'd just complain that her posts were too long...

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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 06:24 PM
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120. No pleasing some folks!!
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Andre II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 02:36 AM
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117. Riiiight
A tiny little "thanks" would be appreciated and I hope that you allow me to write although I'm a foreigner and my English not as perfect as yours.... :sarcasm:
Yes, I confirm it.
Maybe a little food research would have helped you:
Noch weiter als Stahel geht Historiker Daniele Ganser, sein Kollege an der Uni Zrich. Auch die offizielle US-Version nennt er eine Verschwrungstheorie: Es gibt 3 Theorien, die wir gleichberechtigt behandeln sollten:

berraschungs-Theorie Bin Laden und Al Kaida fhrten die Anschlge aus.

Lass es absichtlich passieren Teile der US-Regierung kannten die Al-Kaida-Plne. Sie reagierten nicht, um eine Serie von Kriegen zu legitimieren.

Fhre es absichtlich selbst aus Die Anschlge wurden vom Pentagon und/oder Geheimdiensten ausgefhrt. Die Bin-Laden-Videos sind geflscht. 3000 Menschen wurden fr strategische Interessen geopfert.

Ganser: Je mehr wir forschen, desto mehr zweifeln wir an Bushs Version. Fr ihn ist denkbar, dass die Bush-Regierung verantwortlich war. Bush hat schon so viel gelogen! Und bereits 1962 gab es im Pentagon einen Plan, unschuldige US-Brger fr eigene Interessen zu opfern. So weit wie Ganser geht Stahel nicht: Ich stelle nur Fragen.

Hier der Link zum Blick:
http://www.blick.ch/news/ausland/9-11/arti...splay=komm...

Why I could confirm it?
Maybe because I know Ganser's work pretty well.
Or maybe watched this:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-16811224171821...

where he presents the three theories around 6'20''
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 06:28 PM
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121. Thank you Andre II
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 10:16 PM
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110. depends what you mean y saying Bush 'was behind'
I think it was out of his hands. There is a darker side.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 10:26 PM
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112. That's for sure
Edited on Mon Jun-02-08 10:27 PM by seemslikeadream
Isn't it amusing how much time some people spend here babbling


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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 11:46 PM
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115. If I see some litter that I can pick up and dispose of, I do. nt
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 06:14 PM
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119. Where's the love?
Edited on Wed Jun-04-08 06:14 PM by seemslikeadream
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Falcon_Lights1916 Donating Member (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 02:37 AM
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124. I Don't See Where It Mentions Bush...
although IMO it should. When I heard about the attacks, my first thought was "Now where does Bush fit into this? It just goes to show you how cynical I'd become by 2001. However, almost seven years later I still wonder to what extent he was involved.
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