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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:13 PM
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List of Suicides by whistle blowers or those that knew things
Edited on Thu May-01-08 01:37 PM by Ichingcarpenter
1 DC Madame....: had clients with the Pentagon and Govt

2 Lt. Col. Marshall A. Gutierrez Iraqi/Kuwait procurement officer: http://iraq.pigstye.net/article.php/GutierrezMarshallA

3 Abdulrahman,US citizen, contractor whistle-blower: http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/?ndmView...


4 Charles D. Riechers - Air Force- Ret. d: 10/07 suicide Boeing Tanker Deal: Still no autopsy report:
http://www.af.mil/bios/bio.asp?bioID=9396

5 Col. Theodore S. Westhusing
General Dave Petraeus: http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/77313 /


6 Maj. Gen. Joseph Fil {re Westhusing letter to Maj. Gen. Fil on May 28, 2005],: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodore_S._Westhusing


7 Darleen Druyun , http://www.govexec.com/dailyfed/1004/100104g1.htm

8 Brandy Britton who worked for the DC madam : http://www.examiner.com/a-714063~Accused_D_C__madam__Br...

9 Clifford Baxter, Enron executive: http://archives.cnn.com/2002/US/01/25/enron.suicide/ind...

10. David Kelly, British Weapons Expert on WMDs : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Kelly


11. James Hatfield, wrote book on George Bush and his crimes : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Hatfield


12 Gary Webb, a prize-winning American investigative journalist, on Iran Contra http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Webb

13 Margie Schoedinger (1965?-2003) was an American woman who filed a civil suit against former Texas governor and current U.S. President George W. Bush in 2002, alleging that Bush had sexually assaulted her.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margie_Schoedinger

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PDJane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:14 PM
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1. lots of self-inflicted gunshot wounds around
the BFFE. It's interesting.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:31 AM
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141. Gary Webb, suicide by two gunshot wounds to the head. Yeah, right!!
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PDJane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:53 AM
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147. That was one I was thinking of.....
There were a couple of others.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:15 PM
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2. Cliff Baxter
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Median Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:25 PM
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11. Enron's - Clifford Baxter Is A Good One
Clifford had just been subpoenaed to testify in the Enron case, when he was found dead of an apparent suicide. The amazing thing about these stories is that on the day of the death, the news stories conclude it is suicide, rather than simply saying that they were found dead. For example, Heath Ledger was found dead, but Baxter's death already had the cause of death.

http://archives.cnn.com/2002/US/01/25/enron.suicide/ind...

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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:27 PM
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15. added n/t
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rambler_american Donating Member (565 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 05:47 AM
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122. Who uses rat shot to off themselves?
Asked why he couldn't rule out murder, Wagner said, "because murder can be made to look like a suicide. ... Someone who is knowledgeable about forensics can very well have the ability to stage a murder, commit a murder and stage it to look as if it was a suicide, understanding what the police are going to be looking for."

The experts found several things highly unusual. First the peculiar ammunition: not regular bullets but something called "rat-shot".

"This kind of ammunition cannot be easily or readily traced back to the gun from which it was fired," explained Wecht.

"It's not as frequently used by people for any reason. It's not the type of ammunition one finds in guns - it has a specific purpose: shooting at snakes and rodents in order to get a distribution pattern of the small pellets contained within the nose portion of the bullet. It's not something that a person is likely to have and to use if they intended to kill themselves," said Wecht.


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/04/10/eveningnews/m...

Rat shot, used to eliminate rats and snakes and has the added advantage that it is not traceable. Sends a clear message to other would be whistle blowers.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 07:54 AM
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129. Especially when you have a local diddley-wink doing the autopsy,
it would be easy to pull a fast one.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 10:33 AM
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lazyriver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 07:22 AM
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126. Interesting observation about the quick conclusions of
suicide in these cases.
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:43 AM
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144. I've noticed it too. I don't have the time to do it, but I'd love to see that confirmed...
with a list of original early report headlines.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:16 PM
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3. All just happy coincidences I tellzya!
Stop watching so much "X-Files"- RATIONAL, moderate, measured people believe that EVERYTHING is just a happy coincidence. ;)
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:16 PM
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4. K&R
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:17 PM
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5. All the Brits From the Downing Street Memos and Other Iraq Nonsense
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:20 PM
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8. Can you add that name to the list?
There was also a woman soldier in Afghanistan who told her family
that if she committed suicide it was murder, I can't find her story right now.
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Seen the light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:18 PM
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6. I will maintain to the day I die that Paul Wellstone was murdered nt
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:23 PM
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9. me too
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:35 PM
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21. Me too, but I'm only doing suicides n/t
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 10:26 PM
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96. yeah, small plane crashes is a whoooooole nother thread.
a long one, too.
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rambler_american Donating Member (565 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 05:50 AM
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123. Anybody have a list
of Republicans that have died in small plane crashes? Or committed "suicide"? Or simply the victim of assassination? I'm guessing it's a short list.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 08:33 AM
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134. I would include Missouri Gov. Mel Carnahan in that list
He was running against Ashecroft in 2000 when his plane crashed. He beat Ashecroft anyway and his widow Jean took his seat.

IMO: That is why Ashecroft was given the AG spot in the bu$h regime
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:37 AM
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142. Hale Boggs questioned Warren Comm. = Died in plane crash in Alaska
States News Service
August 7, 1992, Friday
LENGTH: 489 words
Fresh Controversy Surrounds Boggs' Plane Crash
Brian Baron - http://www.guerrillacampaign.com/boggs.htm

August 7, 1992

Fresh controversy surrounds a mysterious 20-year-old plane crash that killed former Louisiana Congressman Hale Boggs.

New information obtained through an FBI report this week revealed that a tip concerning the location of the downed plane may never have been pursued. The plane disappeared on Oct. 16, 1972, near the Malaspina Glacier.

Despite the new development, however, Alaska State Troopers Friday said they will not mount a renewed effort to find the wreckage of the Cessna-310 that carried Boggs, the former House Majority Leader, and an Alaska congressman, Nick Begich.

Col. John Murphy, director of the troopers, said it would be nearly impossible to find the plane.

"We have taken the time necessary to research the new information received and to review old files, but have determined that to search the coordinate indicated from the radio tracking almost 20 years prior would have negligible results," Murphy said in a statement.

Begich, Boggs, and two others were flying from Anchorage to Juneau when their plane disappeared in a storm near the Malaspina Glacier. The plane was never found despite an intensive search.
A Washington, D.C. newspaper, Roll Call, through a Freedom Of Information Act request, found the existence of the FBI report and questioned whether anyone followed up on the lead immediately following the plane's disappearance.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:42 AM
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143. Boggs called for resignation of J. Edgar Hoover, reopening Warren Commission.
Edited on Fri May-02-08 09:43 AM by L. Coyote
Dr. Nick Begich
June 19, 2001 - http://www.earthpulse.com/products/Disappearance/letter...

Dear Earthpulse Friends:

On Tuesday, June 26, The History Channel will air a one-hour History's Mysteries segment called Alaska's Bermuda Triangle. It explores the disappearance of my father, Congressman Nick Begich, Sr., and the late Majority leader of the U.S. House of Representatives, Hale Boggs of Louisiana. The plane they were traveling in disappeared on a flight from Anchorage to Juneau on Oct. 16, 1972. The most massive air search ever undertaken in the history of the world did not find any trace of the plane. This was just weeks before the Watergate story. Inquiries about CIA misuse of power were being made and a number of other significant international questions were being addressed in Washington. ....

Twenty years later, in 1992, a Freedom of Information Act Request by Roll Call Magazine unearthed an FBI telex indicating that the plane was located and never retrieved. Information obtained by a government verified source described the location of the plane and stated that there were two survivors shortly after the plane disappeared. The information indicated an undisclosed "firm" involved in testing advanced surveillance equipment had located the crash. The informant had a military background, according to the FBI document obtained by Roll Call. The FBI telex was sent to the Washington, D.C. FBI headquarters where it was presumably passed to the Acting Director, L. Patrick Gray. The previous director, J. Edgar Hoover, had been in a significant conflict with Boggs, who called for his resignation on the floor of the Congress. Boggs was one of the most powerful people in the country at a time when misuse of power was just beginning to be seen, culminating in the resignation of the President of the United States Richard Nixon. A good deal remains untold from this period of the country's history and perhaps my father's story being released will compel someone to come forward with the rest of the story.

Some of the other interesting points surrounding the disappearance include the fact that Boggs was taken to the airport for the first leg of the trip by a young democrat named Bill Clinton .... Boggs was also on the Warren Commission and had some interest in reopening the investigation. My father had just completed his first Congressional term and as a freshman had engineered the biggest cash and land transfer to native Americans in the history of the United States, over 44 million acres and nearly $1 billion was transferred. This transfer and "settlement" was needed for establishing a clear title for the right-of-way of the Trans-Alaska pipeline which was then built supplying 25% of US oil for much of the time since its completion.

Things seem to run in cycles and it is interesting when I look at my family's work in Alaska and the work which we are doing now as a result of these early encounters with government. I had always suspected that there was more to my father's death than was revealed in past years. Time does reveal the truth and it seems that conspiracies can appear to be fact through strange coincidence or may actually be of sinister design. Sometimes it is difficult to determine which it is.. We have posted the FBI documents and part of the story on our website: www.earthpulse.com
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 10:07 AM
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149. Boggs Tells House of Tap on Phone
Boggs Tells House of Tap on Phone
By JOHN W. FINNEYS pecial to The New York Times
April 23, 1971, Friday
Page 24, 815 words - http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F00D17F...

WASHINGTON, April 22 -- Representative Hale Boggs, defending his charge that the Federal Bureau of Investigation has been tapping the telephones of members of Congress, told the House today that the telephone line of his private home was tapped in 1970. ......
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 06:19 PM
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79. So will I. Wellstone was the one thing cheney*/bush* morbidly feared...

...an honest person in Congress!

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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 05:10 AM
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118. i thought that was common knowledge
like jfk, rfk, mlk...murdered
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 05:25 AM
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119. Agreed
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:01 PM
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162. Of course and he's simply another in our long history of political assassinations ---
Edited on Fri May-02-08 12:02 PM by defendandprotect
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:18 PM
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7. Apparently Gary Webb committed suicide by shooting him self in the head twice.
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EOTE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:24 PM
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10. Don't forget James Hatfield. NT
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:27 PM
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13. added n/t
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EOTE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:27 PM
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14. And David Kelly NT
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 07:58 PM
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262. and Ivins
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:26 PM
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12. It might be very interesting if the DC madam had made a list...
of her clients that would surface only after her "suicide".

Unfortunately, she might not have had the foresight to have that "insurance policy".
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:32 PM
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18. She was too smart not to -
unfortunately, this would be an indication that they located it.
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:24 PM
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41. Unfortunately you're probably right (nt)
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HillbillyBob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-08 02:10 PM
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261. I had kind of figured ''they'' had found it prior to ''suiciding'' her
nt
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:50 AM
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156. They interviewed her British biographer on CNN yesterday...
Edited on Fri May-02-08 11:52 AM by AntiFascist
she sounded very nervous, but described how the DC Madam believed that there was a conspiracy singling her out above all other DC escort services. Her nervousness became noticeable when she began to claim that the DC Madam must have gone crazy under the pressure, and of course this would explain why she committed suicide.

On edit: she also stressed how the list should not have been made public and whoever had been exposed to it would probably not disclose more details.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:03 PM
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163. This new violence, I'm sure, will serve to intimidate anyone with info . . .
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 03:02 PM
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217. i can totally put myself in the shoes of someone whose career is "biographer" which is usually
spent with nose in books, alone, smoking ciggies and compiling facts. you'd feel so unsafe with just the first threatening phone call. and it would all seem immediately less controversial -- important men, big government interests controlling/operating in the world of convert action -- yeah, i wouldn't want to rock that boat, either.
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:29 PM
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16. David Kelly
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Kelly

I'm guessing the common denominator in every case is Cheney, or someone connected to him.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:32 PM
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17. Colby's always been troubing to me, too.
Edited on Thu May-01-08 02:04 PM by Husb2Sparkly
http://www.cnn.com/US/9604/29/colby.10pm /

A friend of mine kept his boat right next to the slip Colby used. No way this was an 'accident'. Bodies don't go 'unfound' in the Wicomico River.
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MinM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:46 PM
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25. Colby case was very similar to Kelly's
They were both working at their home computers -- then they're outside minutes later meeting their untimely demise. :shrug:
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MinM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:50 PM
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27. Brandy Britton
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:03 PM
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32. She lived, literally, a stone's throw from me .....
.... in the next housing development.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 04:31 PM
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67. Colby had confirmed the Franklin Sex-Slave accusations made in the Cospiracy of Silence documentary
although as DCI he would have accrued many enemies and secrets i would imagine.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:06 PM
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166. You rarely hear anything about the Franklin Case . . .
though there is still some info on the internet about it, last time I checked.

He was "DCI" . . . ???
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:49 PM
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188. director of central intelligence, yeah. here's the wiki on his death...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Colby

Theories about death

Although the inquest into Colby's death found he had died of natural causes, there were some suspicious circumstances: he rarely went canoeing at night; he had not spoken to his wife of any plans to go canoeing; his house was unlocked, with the radio and computer on and the remains of a meal on the table; there was no sign of the life-jacket his friends said he usually wore; and his body was found approximately 20 yards from the canoe (itself found 100 yards from the house) after the area had been thoroughly searched several times. Some allegations that Colby was murdered have been made:

* Dr. Deko Dekov asserts that the former FBI Director Louis Freeh killed Colby. <1>

* Dr. Steven Greer, alleges that the U.S. government killed Colby because of his knowledge of extraterrestrial technology.<4>

* Kay Griggs, ex-wife of United States Marine Corps Colonel George Griggs, has alleged that Colby was murdered.<5>

* John DeCamp, who claims to have been a close friend of Colby, has stated in his book, The Franklin Coverup, that Colby was murdered because he knew too much about corruption in US politics.<6>
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:58 PM
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194. for a long time i followed
the writing of people interested in the Franklin Case. it wasn't ever one of my own interests, but i really liked the writing of these folks who were connecting the dots -- and it's something i wouldn't have pursued on my own were it not for their writing.

do you remember when Bush Jr went in front of the UN right after 911 ostensibly to ask for the world's assistance in fighting terra? oddly, he spent the last portion of his speech talking about human trafficking -- issuing what seemed to be threats to countries involved in HT if they didn't pitch in with the GWOT. i remember watching this live and thinking, that's just too random. why is he talking about human sex slaves during his BIG PITCH for the war on terra.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:33 PM
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19. what was the name of the investigative reporter that allegedly
killed himself in his hotel room just before his daughter's wedding?

He was investigating the election theft?

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moodforaday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 03:03 PM
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58. Raymond Lemme?
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 03:26 PM
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61. that's the one
thank you

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:13 PM
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168. Never heard of that one -- !!! Thanks for the info!
Read half of it and saved ---
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vanboggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 07:26 AM
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254. Good summary
Thank you for that link. That article certainly sums up the coup well. I just saved a copy, too. The web is the only thing the BFEE didn't take into consideration, and it is just a matter of time before all truth is scrubbed from the internet.
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yodermon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:35 PM
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20. I will be vilified, but I would like to ad Margie Schoedinger for consideration. n/t
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:39 PM
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47. Vilified? Not by most, if any, here. nt
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:38 PM
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22. 3 of Jessica Lynch's "rescuers" died under mysterious circumstances.
Paul Wellstone
Wouldn't leave out Mel Carnahan either
Shrub's partner in his oil company, Salem Bin Laden..mysterious plane crash
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:41 PM
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23. Just doing suicides not accidents right now but highly suspicious deaths
for sure and I think it should be included in the thread but please give links

Links help!
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:55 PM
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28. Links...here you go.
http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/West/10/22/iraq.marine.ap/in...
Marine who helped in Lynch rescue killed at family barbecue

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
Iraq war veteran killed in Highway 11 wreck (Jessica Lynch witness!)

http://www.arlingtoncemetery.net/dmtapper.htm

Tapper, 32, died there Wednesday while conducting combat operations in a lawless province near the Pakistani border - an area where the military believes the terrorists are operating.

Friends here said Tapper was shot in the back during an ambush. He died later at a hospital at Bagram Air Base, the Navy said.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:41 PM
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49. Re: Salem bin Laden
It does give you an idea as to maybe why Osama bin Laden has a vendetta against the Bush family.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 03:11 PM
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59. I don't know about that.
Papa Bush was VP under Rayguns and I believe was behind millions of dollars to Osama when he was with the Muhadjeen. Papa Bush was already comfy with the Bin Laden clan back then. I believe that was after Arbusto went busto.
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:42 PM
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24. We should begin at the beginning
with James Forrestal,
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:24 PM
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170. Hard to know if James Forestal is even the beginning . . . ????
but points back to another of the many issues we are NOT dealing with in America ---
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:38 PM
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177. Good point and well done nt
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:49 PM
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:58 PM
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29. Pat Tillman friendly fire
not a suicide but still one for the books:http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_di...
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:01 PM
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30. Paul Sanford
http://board.columbiatribune.com/index.php?showtopic=17...

Story has been scrubbed by the Monterey Herald...

Lawyer falls to death at hotel
Seaside: Police suspect Paul Sanford committed suicide

By JULIA REYNOLDS
Herald Staff Writer

In what police describe as a "probable" suicide leap, a prominent Monterey Bay Area attorney fell at least nine floors to his death at the Embassy Suites Hotel Monterey Bay in Seaside the morning before Christmas.

Shortly before 9:30 a.m. Sunday, officers found the body of Aptos attorney Paul Sanford in the west end of the hotel lobby, where he had landed on a large ventilation grate.

Police Capt. Steve Cercone said horrified guests were eating breakfast in the atrium at the time, and a number of witnesses saw Sanford fall from somewhere between the 9th and 12th floors.

"I'm at a loss for words," said Sanford's friend and business associate, Monterey attorney Shawn Mills. "Paul really had his fingers in a lot of different pies. He was from the East Coast, and I used to call him our 'West Coast Kennedy.'"
http://board.columbiatribune.com/index.php?showtopic=17...
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:30 PM
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172. I remember Paul Sanford vaguely and something of his work . . .
but never heard about his fall to his death from a hotel --- !!!

Thanks ---
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FreepFryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:03 PM
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31. I always thought Hunter S. Thompson would have committed suicide-by-cop.
The circumstances of his reported suicide never left me fully convinced...
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:04 PM
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33. I don't think so
His family knew he was gonna go out that way.
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ogsbee Donating Member (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:10 PM
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182. What family was this, the hot young wife of the broken down old boozer?
Who said she was on the line when he committed suicide. All we have is her word and we know nothing about her. There was apparently a fair amount of gunfire on his property - his son said he was shooting into the sky in rage and denial later. Maybe. In a situation like that I would say what I was told to say - that's another maybe.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 05:32 AM
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120. A story quickly circulated that he was working on a 9/11 inside job piece
Whether true or not - I never seriously attempted to verify the claim - it was understood that even much earlier in his life, Hunter was, as most of us are, a conflicted individual, and for him, the notion of suicide being an option, an "out" from being "Hunter Thompson," the mythic figure, versus the real man.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:44 AM
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146. He was working Election 2004, just like Gary Webb.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:33 PM
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173. Meanwhile, I think unusual that we don't have books busting 9/11 and elections . . .
We do have Greg Palast --- but he's staying out of the country, mostly ---

Noam Chomsky --- of all people!! -- rushed in with a book tsk-tsk-ing 9/11 conspiracy theories!!!

What's that all about Chomsky???

Odd ---


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ogsbee Donating Member (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:04 PM
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181. Chomsky = disinfo spook
He's a real radical until the subject gets to the most sensitive governmental crimes and then he follows the official story exactly. Many progressives then follow him from the truth into the lies. That's his job, CIA pied piper.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 03:04 PM
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219. see reply below
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davekriss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 08:58 PM
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250. Nonsense (nt)
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:21 PM
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185. being known for "Manufactured Consent," his 911 tome was a head-scratcher, also
he recently said something about the wonderfulness of suburbs that makes me wonder if he hasn't completely lost his mind.

-- to add --

regarding 911, i think there's plenty to talk about that is non-controversial, that touches on the "manufacture of consent." of all that's criticized in 911 truthdom, the propagandizing (to me) is the least problematic angle. so, it's just fooooked-up that he went to the dark side on this.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 03:10 PM
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221. Yes . . . agree . . .
Edited on Fri May-02-08 03:10 PM by defendandprotect
ogsbee and nashville_brook --

-- In order to make any sense of this, I think of Collin Andrews who first investigated the Crop Circles . . . he made clear that he was approached a few years ago by the CIA, who at first offered him money -- a million -- and fame if he stopped the research line he was following. And, finally, in response to his "No's" . . they said that he could be sure that one way or another he'd eventually be doing what they wanted. These were real threats to him over a period of time. Notice the crop circle
investigations got shut down --- after "Doug 'n Dave" fantasy, they closed the farms to inspection/
observation by tourists, etal ---

Intimidated the farmers ---

Soo--Chomsky has done them a lot of damage --- I applaud him for that ---
who knows what's going on but I think we're all suspicious of what he produced on 9/11.

Keep watching and informing --- thanks!!
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 03:39 PM
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223. what an interesting character Collins is. have you seen his wiki? no mention of crop circles.
Edited on Fri May-02-08 03:50 PM by nashville_brook
punk rock, tibetan buddhism and alchemy. <swooon>

(on edit -- HA! this is the wrong one...wiki gave me "andrew collins, not collin andrews! i'm leaving it, b/c it's too funny -- brook)

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Collins_%28author%2...

Andrew Collins (b. 1957) is an author with an interest in the paranormal.

After an uneventful school career, in which he was banned from taking the English O-level exam because of his poor writing ability, Collins eagerly accepted a position working as an export shipping clerk in London. His childhood interest in the mysteries of life eventually led to him becoming a UFO investigator, whereby he would visit witnesses to strange phenomena and then file reports with national organisations. In 1976 he became a familiar figure in the embryonic punk movement, forming his own band and going to gigs with the likes of novelist and NME writer Tony Parsons and Irish pal Shane McGowan, who went on to form legendary Irish folk-rock band The Pogues. At the same time, collins continued to investigate UFO cases, including the now famous Aveley abduction, the first full-blown time-loss UFO experience ever reported on British soil. It brought him into contact with psychologist and writer Graham Phillips, who was then working as a parapsychologist studying the psychological profile of witnesses to the paranormal.

Collins chucked in the prospect of a musical career in favour of becoming a staff writer alongside Phillips on the magazine Strange Phenomena. In October 1979, Collins and Phillips became embroiled in a historical drama, which would be remembered as the Green Stone affair -- an event that would kick-start the rebirth of psychic questing in the modern era.

In Tibetan Buddhism there is an ancient tradition of spiritual treasure hunting which focuses on the recovery of termas, which is a direct equivalent of modern psychic questing. A monk who becomes involved in Terma hunting is known as a Terton. However, similar methods of discovery have been used for thousands of years and there are many recorded instances of holy men or women being inspired to find hidden relics (e.g. Joan of Arc), occultists using necromancy to find buried treasure (e.g. John Dee and Edward Kelley) and psychics being brought in to uncover archaeological remains (e.g. Frederick Bligh Bond's excavations of Glastonbury Abbey).

Andrew went on to write and publish various books and booklets on psychic questing, local history and the earth mysteries whilst also making himself something of a name as an occult maverick. He eventually hit it big with his ground-breaking tome From the Ashes of Angels (1996), the culmination of five years' work on the Grigori and Nephilim with the help of his friend and colleague Richard Ward. This book ditched the previous mix of historical fact and psychic information that had become his trademark and replaced it with a kind of speculative historical perspective. Since then he has written five further books that are intended to challenge the way many view the past.

His latest book, The Cygnus Mystery (2004), marks a new level of interest in his work with it claim that cosmic rays from the Cygnus constellation helped kickstart religion and even civilization at the end of the last Ice Age. However, it is the The Black Alchemist (1989) that has inspired a generation of occultists. The identity of the Black Alchemist remains a topic of considerable debate in magical circles in the UK, though Collins has been quiet on the subject for during the last few years.

The Black Alchemist also featured as a major character - the bad guy - in the 50th Anniversary issue of DC Comics' The Green Arrow back in 1991. It was written mainly by TV and film actor Mark Ryan, whom Collins met when he was playing the role of Nazir the Moor in screenwriter Richard Carpenter's 1980s TV series Robin of Sherwood.

Collins has also worked closely with gothic band Fields of the Nephilim, having become friends with its frontman Carl McCoy back in the late 1980s. Collins was involved in creating the band's website, and recently he worked with McCoy on an article cum interview for AOS - A Celebration, a book published on 14th May 2006 to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the death of artist and occultist Austin Osman Spare. Other contributors including Alan Moore.

Collins remains a colourful and controversial figure. He has been satirised as the character Danbury Collins in books written by Robert Rankin. Rankin thought he had successfully hoaxed Collins over alleged sightings of a Griffin in the Brentford area in the 1980s, but the last laugh was when the cosmic joker produced a real sighting of the elusive beast, as is detailed in Collins's booklet "The Brentford Griffin". This is Collins's only real fortean work to date.

Collins lectures worldwide, and is the organiser of the annual Questing Conference, one of Britain's most popular annual events on revisionist history, forbidden archaeology and ancient mysteries. He lives in Essex with his wife Sue.

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 08:01 PM
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229. Hell of guy your Andrew Collins . . . I didn't know the British
had that much investigation activity on UFO's . . .

Anyway here's something on Collin Andrews --- but if you notice we're unclear on whether his first name has one or two "l's" . . and on this website it's done both ways! Look at the book ....

http://theufostore.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PRO...

I didn't know he had done this book --- I'm going to check it out at Amazon.
His first book - Circular Evidence --- has lots of really beautiful photos of the crop circles.

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:07 PM
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:09 PM
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36. Add a link... I can no longer change my OP to add him on the list.
Thanks.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 11:52 PM
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101. supposedly he wrapped his own face in duct-tape then tied his own hands in front of his body
before flinging himself in the lake.

that'll lern ya not to send books to kids in the middle east.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:34 PM
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174. WHO is this talking about . . . ????
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truth2power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 03:57 PM
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224. I didn't see that post before it was deleted...
but judging from a reply to that post, referencing someone being found dead and duct-taped..the only recent news report I know of was about Riad Hamad, an Austin Independent School District teacher.

http://www.590klbj.com/News/Story.aspx?ID=89215

I read on another site that he also ran the Palestinian's Children's Welfare Fund.

Very sad.
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Fox Mulder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:09 PM
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35. Every one of those people were murdered.
You'd have to be an idiot to believe otherwise.
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:12 PM
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37. La Vena Johnson, Private First Class US Army



Congress must investigate crimes against women soldiers

The effort to prompt a renewed investigation of the suspicious death in Iraq of PFC LaVena Johnson has always had a strong ally in retired Army Colonel Ann Wright. Today, Col. Wright speaks out on LaVenas case and that of other military women - in-theater and in the US - who have died following sexual assault. The introduction from the article at CommonDreams.org:


The Department of Defense statistics are alarming one in three women who join the US military will be sexually assaulted or raped by men in the military. The warnings to women should begin above the doors of the military recruiting stations, as that is where assaults on women in the military begins before they are even recruited.

But, now, even more alarming, are deaths of women soldiers in Iraq, and in the United States, following rape. The military has characterized each of the deaths of women who were first sexually assaulted as deaths from non-combat related injuries, and then added suicide. Yet, the families of the women whom the military has declared to have committed suicide, strongly dispute the findings and are calling for further investigations into the deaths of their daughters. Specific US Army units and certain US military bases in Iraq have an inordinate number of women soldiers who have died of non-combat related injuries, with several identified as suicides.

94 US military women in the military have died in Iraq or during Operation Iraqi Freedom (OIF). 12 US Civilian women have been killed in OIF. 13 US military women have been killed in Afghanistan during Operation Enduring Freedom (OEF). 12 US Civilian women have been killed in Afghanistan.

Of the 94 US military women who died in Iraq or in OIF, the military says 36 died from non-combat related injuries, which included vehicle accidents, illness, death by natural causes, and self-inflicted gunshot wounds, or suicide. The military has declared the deaths of the Navy women in Bahrain that were killed by a third sailor, as homicides. 5 deaths have been labeled as suicides, but 15 more deaths occurred under extremely suspicious circumstances.

8 women soldiers from Fort Hood, Texas (six from the Fourth Infantry Division and two from the 1st Armored Cavalry Division) have died of non-combat related injuries on the same base, Camp Taji, and three were raped before their deaths. Two were raped immediately before their deaths and another raped prior to arriving in Iraq. Two military women have died of suspicious non-combat related injuries on Balad base, and one was raped before she died. Four deaths have been classified as suicides.

Col. Wright recaps the story of LaVena Johnson in some detail, but also speaks on the suicides and non-combat related injuries of such personnel as Army Private First Class Tina Priest, PFC Hannah Gunterman McKinney, Major Gloria D. Davis, and others. The prevalence of such deaths and assaults against the women who serve in the military demands earnest investigation by the armed forces - and by Congress, should the services fail in this trust. I highly recommend reading the essay by Col. Wright in its entirety.
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Turbineguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:18 PM
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38. This list is getting longer
than all those supposedly murdered by the Clintons.

Where are all the right-to-life conservatives on this?
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:21 PM
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39. Army National Guard Spc. Ciara Durkin
Soldier once warned family: Investigate if I die
10/04/2007 @ 8:02 am
Filed by David Edwards and Nick Juliano


Ciara Durkin warned her family before returning to Afghanistan, "If anything happens to me, you guys make sure it gets investigated."

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What seemed a joke at the time could have been eerily prescient as Durkin, a National Guard specialist, was found dead, shot once in the head, within the fortified walls of Bagram Airfield in Afghanistan. The Pentagon is releasing no details aside from confirmation that Durkin's was a "non-combat" death.

"We just want full disclosure," Durkin's sister Deirdre said on CBS's Early Show Thursday.

Now Durkin's family is demanding an independent investigation and has enlisted the help of Sens. John Kerry and Edward Kennedy, who represent their home state of Massachusetts.

Although Durkin was gay, her family does not believe her death had anything to do with that. But Durkin, who worked in a finance office, told her family that she had uncovered some information that would upset other military officials.

"She was in the finance unit and she said, 'I discovered some things I dont like and I made some enemies because of it.' Then she said, in her light-hearted way, 'If anything happens to me, you guys make sure it gets investigated,'" Durkin's older sister, Fiona Canavan, told The Patriot Ledger. "But at the time we thought it was said more as a joke."

Durkin died last Friday of a single gun-shot wound, but the Army has not said whether a weapon was found near her body. The Defense Department says it is investigating the incident, according to reports.

The family told Television interviewers that they didn't believe Durkin killed herself because she seemed upbeat on a recent trip home. Only hours before her death, Durkin left her brother a cheerful voicemail and sang happy birthday to him, the family told ABC News.

(The military) is definitely holding back, Canavan told the Boston Herald. As to why we can only speculate.

The following video clips are from CBS's Early Show, broadcast on October 4, 2007.

http://rawstory.com/news/2007/CBS_Family_of_gay_soldier...
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:27 PM
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44. That's was one I was looking for
but I can't add it now to the list.... Thanks
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:49 PM
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53. You bet Iching - this list is necessary.
n/t
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:23 PM
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40. Danny Casolaro
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:25 PM
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43. jinx -- you owe me a coke -- :)
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:30 PM
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45. : )
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:25 PM
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42. Danny Casolaro (inslaw, the octopus)
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:37 PM
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176. DANNY CASOLARO big one -- a new book came out on him a year or so ago ---
Edited on Fri May-02-08 12:39 PM by defendandprotect
anyone read it?
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:13 PM
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183. no -- i have the old one that came out after the Spy Magazine series.
is this it?

http://www.amazon.com/Octopus-Secret-Government-Death-C...

The Octopus: Secret Government and the Death of Danny Casolaro (Paperback)
by Kenn Thomas, Jim Keith

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i was in college when this Inslaw-Octopus series ran in Spy Magazine. what a special/amazing publication. you know that one of the publishers now has an NPR show called Studio 360. It rocks -- arts/science/culture. Amazing show.

this story, tho, was a giant inspiration for me. i was on the student newspaper, and getting ready to start my own publication. the way Casolaro pursued this story was pure investigative journo gold. it's so amazing too, that investigative journalism is the one career choice that is still romanticized even tho (or because), if you DO IT RIGHT, it often ends in death (rather than riches). military service is another.

surprisingly -- Casolaro's death seems to drain the Inslaw story of credibility in the mainstream imagination. i wonder if he had escaped that murder, if the story would be regarded as "common knowledge" and non-controversial.

one more musing -- to me, Larisa Alexandrovna is keeping hope alive for investigative journos. she's a bright light on an otherwise endarkened horizon. stay safe LaLa. :patriot:
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:50 PM
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189. Yes . . . meant to buy it because I try to follow news of him . . .
Edited on Fri May-02-08 01:52 PM by defendandprotect
maybe I'll go in and buy the SICKO video and this book later today ---

BUT, yeah -- the Inslaw thing involved Meese which takes us into the DOJ/Reagan Administration . . . right?

Didn't know about NPR Studio 360 -- I'll watch for it.

A lot of people learned a kind of upside down journalism and went to work for money and GOP administrations -- people like McClellan and Fleischer. But that many are still inspired by journalism and truth can be seen in the long list of dead journalists!!!

My impression of the Inslaw story is that a lot of pressure was brought to bear to keep it
under wraps. I doubt most people understand it --- not because it's so complicated -- but
because at that time you'd have to recognize the corruption of our DOJ! And the criminal nature
of such a large part of the GOP party! And, didn't they slap a "national security" cover on that
'cause it involves a back door in the programming.

Meanwhile, as we look at the Casolaro "suicide" and now this recent Palfrey "suicide" I think the
message goes out quickly to anyone who knows anything about it to shut up! ?????

Larisa Alexandrovna is great, inspirational --- and living dangerously -- she knows what to watch
and she's there.

But it also reminds me of the very brutal murder of the renowned Italian reporter Giuliana Sgrena ...
killed in a car shootout by US troops!

Overall, good to see so many now questioning all of this --- !!!

Italy seeks US answers over Iraq shootout
Italian journalist Giuliana Sgrena has been released from captivity in Iraq, ... killing of an Italian security agent and the wounding of freed Italian ...
www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2005-03/05/content_42... - Cached

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2005-03/05/con...
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is this it?

http://www.amazon.com/Octopus-Secret-Government-Death-C ...

The Octopus: Secret Government and the Death of Danny Casolaro (Paperback)
by Kenn Thomas, Jim Keith







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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 02:12 PM
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199. yep, i often think of the italian journalist in the same category as LaLa. -- on the DOJ and GOP
i wonder, since this was prior to the "great secrecy" of the bush jr maladministration, if there isn't available documents that would tell the story of the early corruption of these departments. i see a direct line between Nixon, Reagan and both Bush administrations, so it works for me, that something started in the 80s would give insight into what's going on now -- i.e. the completion of the Nixonian "project."

i just noticed that the editor of this book also died under weird circumstances.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 02:54 PM
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213. Did you mean . . .
the new book on Casolaro? The author is dead ?

Meanwhile, Bushco has blocked so much info --- making Freedom of info almost impossible now ---
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 02:55 PM
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215. yeah, i think it's the Keith guy -- it's mentioned in the comments/reviews on Amazon
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 03:00 PM
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216. Well, off we go again, I guess --- !!!
Keith fell from a stage and broke his knee at the annual Burning Man arts festival held on the Black Rock Desert in Nevada, about 120 miles north of his hometown of Reno. He went to the Washoe Medical hospital there and died shortly after surgery, in ICU, when a blood clot released and entered his lung, although the coroner's report listed cause of death as "blunt force trauma." Cryptically, Keith stated, prior to his death, "I have this feeling that if they put me under I'm not coming back". He is survived by two daughters.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Keith


Maybe some other versions of this around . . . have no time to check right now ---

Somehow we keep losing the good guys --- !!!



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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:32 PM
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46. Ralph Gonzalez, David Abrami and Robert Drake (Abramoff/Feeney "love triangle" murder/suicide
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:27 PM
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186. Here are some interesting comments at the website . . .
Edited on Fri May-02-08 01:33 PM by defendandprotect
Oddly enough, unless I read too quickly, the article doesn't mention Feeney ---

Looks like the tide was turning on the GOP "southern strategy" much earlier than we recognized . .

evidently keeping it going in Georgia and Alabama was a large concern!

Come to think of it . . . didn't Jimmy Carter win all but one of the "Confederate" states?

So we may have been intimidated/blinded by fears of the Southern Strategy when it didn't exist
very long at all --- !!! A myth?

The death of the three men , including Ralph Gonzalez was not a murder suicide. they were all killed. Yes, Ralph was the Georgia Republican party director and then 2002 US Feeney campaign director. He was also indicited Governor Ga. campaign person.
The bog picture, this is the forth dead person that knew or was investigating US Tom Feeney Bush ties.
The other dead man was Raymond Lemme, who had a two month later wedding of a daughter, and over 30 year happy marriage t his wife .
The DAY he was to have a meeting about his INVESTIGATION with the Florida DOT general counsel about US FEENEY and Yang enterprises, he was MURDERED. the Valdosta Ga police tried to say suicide, but the CRIME photos that were supposedly overflashed made their way on Brad blogs.. Strangled and tortured.

The evidence he had in 2004 would have SHUT DOWN the Yang voter software to Diebold voting and allowed DEMOCRAT WINS.

As we speak, in 2006, Mr. Curtis, the software programmer that met FEENEY (jeb bushs running partner in 1994 Fla Gov) and wrote the software for his old company YANG ENTERPRISES testified against FEENEY in 2006 before US congress Republican judiciary.

Ga 2002 elections had massive voter Diebold software fruad, democrat heavy neighborhoods became WHITE REPUBLICAN. Ralpg Gonzalez, in my review of voter evidence, was murdered, as Wash post and NY times had Yang eneterprise stories about Feeneys envolvement and Rove voter Diebold software manipulation in national elections






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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 02:31 PM
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208. this incident happened within bike-riding distance of my house.
and, while i was catching-up on the political environment of my new state. these republican political operatives have been tied to some amazingly crooked florida pols. and remember -- everything has a florida connection. hell, a childhood friend of mine (i just found out) was dating a friend of Mo Atta's back in the 90s. no, she's a good girl, not a stripper. her bf was a pakistani aviation science nerd who like to smoke the hooka. the connection was thru the pakistani stoner crowd -- think, "Harold and Kumar" stumble into the set of "24."
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:40 PM
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48. Raymond Lemme (Feeney, Yang Ent, Election Fraud)
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:42 PM
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50. That was the first reporter to look into Election Fraud
Good one.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:45 PM
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52. funny how tom feeney turns up twice -- can't beeelieve he's still in office!
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:50 PM
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55. he was actually an investigator for the FL Inspector General's office...
Lemme was the first official from the FL Inspector General's office to investigate the charges originally made by Curtis' 2001 whistleblower complaint at the FDOT, where he had gone to work after leaving Yang Enterprises, Inc. (YEI) in the wake several disturbing meetings at the software firm with Feeney and YEI's CEO, Mrs. Li-Woan Yang.

_____

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=1244



The case of the mysterious suicide of Raymond Lemme of the Florida Inspector General's office was reopened by Valdosta, Georgia police last December shortly after we broke the story of computer programmer Clint Curtis' sworn affidavit charging that he had built a "vote-rigging software prototype" at the request of Rep. Tom Feeney (R-FL)!

Furthermore, graphic and disturbing photos from the crime scene --- said in the original police report to have not existed due to a failure in the camera's "flash memory cards" --- have recently been published on the web!

Those crime scene photos, which clearly do exist, can be viewed via this link.
WARNING: THE PAGE LINKED ABOVE INCLUDES GRAPHIC MATERIAL!

A spokesman from the Valdosta Police Department has confirmed the legitimacy of the photos but has so far failed to explain several inconsistencies that the photos and materials from the supplementary detective reports reveal when compared to the original police report.

Supplementary evidence from the reports would seem to indicate that Lemme was not even in Valdosta, Georgia at the time that the motel receipts show that he had checked-in to the room where he was eventually found dead.

Furthermore, involvement from the Florida Dept. of Transportation (FDOT) may have lead to the quick re-closing of the case shortly after it was recently re-opened!

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:54 PM
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190. I think they were losing the South a long time ago and we just didn't recognize it ---
If the "Southern Strategy" had really been working, they wouldn't have needed to STEAL ---

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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 02:54 PM
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214. yeah -- i met lots of east tennessee old timers who are NOT the "reagan-dems" they were supposed to
be. old mountain men and railroad workers and vets who were supposed to be the backbone of hillbilly conservatism. they weren't! they were FDR democrats, forever thankful for TVA and the Kennedy's interest in Appalachia. the "southern strategy" could well be a convenient myth to screen election stealing, which was also historically rampant in the mountains. just used to be that elections were stolen to protect stills, not shills. :evilgrin:
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 03:03 PM
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218. And, as I pointed out elsewhere . . .
All the way back . . . Jimmy Carter took all but one of the "Confederate" states --- !!!

So we've been living myth in this regard for a long, long time!

Nice info -- thanks !
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 03:05 PM
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220. my ex-husband's family
Edited on Fri May-02-08 03:05 PM by nashville_brook
was generations deep in mountain politics/law enforcement/labor. such an education that was to learn about.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:44 PM
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51. Frank Olson (LSD, CIA, MkUltra)
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 11:26 PM
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97. that's an important one (eom)
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:55 PM
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192. Right -- CIA gone wild and covered up ---
and presume still going on --- it never stopped!

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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:49 PM
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54. Wow almost 2000 views of this thread! And only 15 nominations
Agent Smith do you care to recommend this thread?
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:55 PM
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56. 19 now -- i actually forgot to rec -- :)
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 06:34 PM
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82. The stigma attached to conspirorists (sic) is potent. Propaganda working in its purest form.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 06:26 AM
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124. Amazing how effective this tactic is to get the people to police themselves
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:56 PM
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193. I think that's over . . . election 2000 cured that . . .
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happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:56 PM
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57. and Danny Casolaro, and his lawyer (Wilcher), and six of the people he
contacted while pursuing "The Octopus" that included the story about October Surprise 1980 with Poppy as a key figure in that little bit of treason.

How in the hell is this crime family still kicking? In a world with one fucking molecule of sanity floating around they all would have been arrested for the criminal organization they are, charged with the war crimes they have committed and executed long ago.

There comes a time when one begins to loath the society that goes about its business as usual while this shit goes on. Fuck you America. Fuck You United States
FUCK YOU!!
Fuck every one of you goddamn worthless, gutless, greedy, self-congratulatory, grand-standing shit for brains smiling politicians and your inane campaigns. Fuck you who raise the most money and you who don't raise as much but try so fucking hard instead of raising hell about all of the bodies lying around at home and abroad in Iraq and elsewhere.

Fuck it! Why don't we just give the presidency to the one who raises the most money and be done with it. That is WHAT IT IS ALL ABOUT!Why can't we at least be honest about this?? Why can't we admit that we do not live in a democracy and then try to see if one is possible.


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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 08:04 PM
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89. Good rant. I know exactly where you are coming from n/t
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 02:00 PM
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195. Didn't know about those connected to Casolaro --
Gates is also connected to October Surprise . . . and Iran-Contra cover up.

I think violence is the only answer to your question ---
you either cooperate with them or die --- ????
Just like the Mafia ---

I have to get the new book on Casolaro ---!


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Anon Soldier Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 03:25 PM
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60. Sgt Terry Yeakey OK City officer
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 03:34 PM
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63. Welcome to DU... I didn't know About Sgt. Yeakey
Seems to check out even the interview with his wife


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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 02:08 PM
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196. Oklahoma Murrah Building "suicided" ---
Thank you for the link --
glad I looked at it cause I didn't know about Chumley and others --- !!!!
Wow . . . !!!



The bullets entrance wound was in the right temple, above the eye. It went through the policemans head and exited in the area of the left cheek, near the bottom of the earlobe line. The trajectory was from a 40-45 degree
angle above his head. There were no powder burns.

According to unnamed officers, 40 or more law enforcement personnel were at the scene combing the area for the suicide weapon, but were unsuccessful for more than an hour.

But after an FBI helicopter landed at the scene carrying FBI SAC Bob Ricks, Yeakeys weapon was suddenly discovered only five minutes later. Of course, it was not Yeakeys police issue handgun, and the description of the weapon has never been made public, but the official record immediately became that of suicide.

Chumley had only worked side by side with Yeakey during those first hours and days of rescue, but also had defied the federal officers at the scene who reportedly attempted to have him falsify reports.

Chumley, a private pilot, had also died mysteriously when his plane went into a nosedive from 6,000 feet into a cabbage field following a takeoff from Amarillo in August 1995. FAA investigators found nothing mechanically
wrong to cause such a bizarre accident and it remains a unsolved.

Including Chumley and Yeakey, there have been more than 30 suspicious deaths of witnesses who harbored information pertinent to the truth in the OKC case. During recent decades, much of the FBI has earned the reputation of being more of a government protectorate than an efficient investigative agency.

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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 03:31 PM
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62. Sen. John Tower, Sen. John Heinz, Ron Brown
Tower was investigating Iran Contra. Died in a plane crash.

Heinz died in a plane crash a week after Tower.

Ron Brown died in a plane crash in Africa. He was found to have a large hole in his skull like he was shot.

Congressman Mickey Leland???



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liam_laddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:22 AM
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110. Ron Brown died in a crash in Bosnia
with about thirty other officials, business types and staff. In a T-43, a military variant of the ubiquitous Boeing 737. Very troubling circumstances... :wtf:
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 03:34 PM
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64. Don't forget John Kokal.
John Kokal state dept suicide - the American Dr Kelly?

Hmmm... it certainly seems like being a middle-east specialist in the
employ of the US or UK governments is a risky old business these days.
Still, it was considerate of Iraq analyst John Kokal to take his shoes
off before climbing out of a locked window, and 'throwing himself off'
the roof of the US State Department building where he worked.

http://www.usenet.com/newsgroups/misc.activism.progress...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 05:34 AM
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121. I haven't forgotten him, although I couldn't recall his name and
went through a search on Yahoo for it. Found it, only to find that you posted this.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 02:10 PM
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197. Not familiar with that one . . .
Will look at the links later --- thank you!

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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 04:03 PM
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65. How about Don Wiley and several other microbiologists?
- On Nov. 12, Benito Que, 52, was found comatose in the street near the laboratory where he worked at the University of Miami Medical School. He died on Dec. 6.

- On Nov. 16, Don C. Wiley, 57, vanished, and his abandoned rental car was found on the Hernando de Soto Bridge outside Memphis, Tenn. His body was found on Dec. 20.

- On Nov. 23, Vladimir Pasechnik, 64, was found dead in Wiltshire, England, not far from his home.

- On Dec. 10, Robert Schwartz, 57, was found murdered in his rural home in Loudoun County, Va.

- On Dec, 11, Set Van Nguyen, 44, was found dead in the airlock entrance to a walk-in refrigerator in the laboratory where he worked in Victoria State, Australia.

- On Feb. 8, Vladimir Korshunov, 56, was found dead on a Moscow street.

- And on Feb. 11, Ian Langford, 40, was found dead in his home in Norwich, England.

http://www.copvcia.com/free/ww3/02_14_02_microbio.html
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avasmom Donating Member (95 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 05:09 PM
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71. yep, remember these
these are the MOST suspicious of all, because they are all connected...

the whole world has been taken over
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 06:31 PM
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81. Damn! I had forgotten about these "coincidences". We are truly being terrorized...
by "our" own government.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 07:57 PM
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87. and the SDI (Star Wars - Marconi) scientists
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marconi_Scientists

Vimal Dajibhai

Marconi Underwater Systems employee Vimal Dajibhai, 24, an electronics graduate and computer-software engineer who worked on the guidance systems of the Tigerfish and Stingray torpedoes, and also an SDI related simulation system, based at Croxley Green, Hertfordshire, was about to leave Marconi for a higher-paying job in the City of London, and was found dead 250 feet beneath the Clifton Suspension Bridge in Bristol (a city with which he had no known connection), 100 miles from his home in London, on 4 August 1986. He had told his wife that he would be working late that night. The police report on the body mentioned a needle-sized puncture wound on his left buttock which led to the funeral being halted seconds before the cremation was to take place, reportedly so that a second post-mortem could be carried out by a Home Office pathologist. A police press conference later announced that the wound was caused by a bone fragment. Friends had confirmed that there was no reason for Dajibhai to commit suicide and denied that he had been suffering from depression or had any history of personal or emotional problems. At the time of his death, Dajibhai was in the last week of his employment with Marconi. An inquest was unable to determine whether Dajibhai had been pushed off the bridge or whether he had jumped and the coroner's verdict remains open. There had been no reported witnesses.

Arshad Sharif

Marconi Space and Defence systems employee Arshad Sharif (also known as Ashad or Ashaad), 26, a London based computer analyst and programmer reported to have been working on systems for the detection of submarines by satellite, was also found dead in Bristol on 28 October 1986. Sharif allegedly drove to a public park not far from where Dajibhai had died and tied a nylon ligature around a tree and the other end around his neck, then drove off in his Audi 80 automatic car at high speed, decapitating himself. Marconi initially claimed Sharif was only a junior employee, although co-workers stated that he was apparently about to be promoted and take over the running of a department at Marconi's Stanmore, Middlesex headquarters, and had worked for a time in Vimal Dajibhai's section. Sharif spent the last night of his life in a rooming house, which he had paid for in cash and was reportedly seen to have a bundle of high-denomination banknotes in his possession. While the police were told of the banknotes, no mention was made of them at the inquest and they were never found. Prior to working for Marconi, Sharif had also worked at British Aerospace on guided weapons technology. Investigating officers maintained that he had killed himself because he'd been jilted by an alleged lover, who he hadn't seen in three years and who contends that she was only his landlady whilst he was working for British Aerospace in Bristol. Sharif also had a fiance in Pakistan at the time. Authorities claimed to have found a taped message in Sharif's car "tantamount" to a suicide note. On it, officers said, he'd admitted to having had an affair, thus bringing shame on his family. Family members who've heard the tape say that it actually gave no indication of why Sharif might want to kill himself. Sharif's family were told by the coroner that it was "not in their best interest" to attend the inquest. He also had no history of depression, and there was absolutely no reason for him to be in Bristol at the time. The coroner's verdict was suicide.

David (Edwin) Skeels

David (Edwin) Skeels, 43, an engineer with Marconi who was found dead in his car in February 1987. He was a victim of carbon monoxide poisoning, and a hosepipe was found which led from the exhaust pipe of his car. The coroner's verdict was suicide.

David Sands

David Sands, 37, a senior scientist and satellite projects manager working for Easams, a sister company to Marconi, in Camberley, Surrey on sensitive computer controlled satellite radar systems, SDI and other air defence related projects, died when his car, carrying two additional five gallon petrol cans, exploded into flames as it crashed into the brick wall of a disused caf at high speed in 30 March 1987. He had allegedly made a sudden U-turn on a dual carriageway while on his way to work and was found still wearing his seatbelt. The car exploded on impact and he was killed instantly. Sands, who was up for a promotion at the time, had just returned from a family holiday in Venice to celebrate the completion of a three-year command-and-control systems project. Given the incongruities of the accident, and the lack of a suicide motive, the coroner refused to rule out the possibility of foul play and an open verdict was returned. Information leaked to the press suggested that Sands had been under a tremendous emotional strain. Margaret Worth, Sands's mother-in-law, claims these stories are totally inaccurate. "When David died, it was a great mystery to us," she admitted. "He was very successful. He was very confident. He had just pulled off a great coup for his company, and he was about to be greatly rewarded. He had a very bright future ahead of him. He was perfectly happy the week before this happened."

Victor Moore

Marconi Space and Defence Systems employee and design engineer Victor Moore, 46, had just finished work on infrared satellites at Portsmouth when he was found dead in February 1987 from a drug overdose. The coroner's verdict was suicide, and is said to have instigated an MI5 investigation, the results of which remain secret. There is also a separate investigation into Marconi based at Portsmouth by the Ministry of Defence Serious Crime Squad.

Peter Peapell and Dr John Brittan

Two lecturers on top secret projects died in separate 'accidents' of carbon monoxide poisoning. Both had recently returned from America and had conducted research at the Royal Royal College of Military Science at Shrivenham, Oxfordshire:

* The first, Peter Peapell, 46, a scientist, senior lecturer and underwater acoustics expert, was found dead beneath his car on 22 February 1987, with his face near the tail pipe and the door to the garage of his Oxfordshire home closed. He had been working on testing titanium for its resistance to explosives and the use of computer analysis to process signals emitted by metals, he was also a consultant on beryllium metallurgy(which is useful in nuclear weapons design). On the night of his death, Peapell spent an enjoyable evening out with his wife, Maureen, and their friends. When they returned home, Maureen went straight to bed, leaving Peter to put the car away. When she woke up the next morning, she discovered that Peter had not come to bed and went looking for him. Upon reaching the garage, she noticed that the door was closed. Yet she could hear the car's engine running. She found her husband on his back with his head parallel to the rear car bumper and his mouth directly below the exhaust pipe, with the car engine running. Initially, Maureen thought her husband's death was an accident. She presumed he'd gotten under the car to investigate a knocking he'd heard driving home the night before, and that he'd gotten stuck. However, the light fixture in the garage was broken, and Peter hadn't been carrying a flashlight. The coroner's inquest could not determine whether the death was a homicide, a suicide or an accident returning an open verdict, and police are unsure exactly how the accident happened with the circumstances of his death raising some elements of doubt. A constable of the same height and weight as Peter Peapell found it impossible to crawl under the car when the garage door was closed. He also found it impossible to close the door once he was under the car. His death was due to carbon monoxide poisoning, although carbon deposits from the inside of the garage door showed that the engine had only been running a short time. Yet, Mrs. Peapell had found the body almost seven hours after she'd gone to bed. According to Maureen Peapell, Peter had no reason to kill himself. They had no marital or financial problems. Peter loved his job, and he'd just received a sizable raise. According to colleagues he'd also exhibited "absolutely no signs of stress.". Foul play has not been ruled out.
* The second, Dr John Brittan, 52, a former computer science officer and Ministry of Defense tank batteries expert at the Royal Military College was also found dead in a parked car in his garage, on 12 January 1987. The engine was still running. The coroner's verdict was accidental death by carbon monoxide poisoning. Dr. John Brittan had also worked at Camberley.

Stuart Gooding

On 10 April 1987 Stuart Gooding, 23, a post-graduate research student at the Royal Military College at Shrivenham was killed in a fatal car crash while on holiday in Cyprus. The death occurred at the same time as college personnel were carrying out exercises in Cyprus. He died instantly when his hire car collided head on with a lorry. The lorry driver was said to be unhurt. At least one senior employee at the college considered that the death could be significant. The coroner's verdict was accidental death.

Avtar Singh Gida

Avtar Singh Gida, 27, who was employed under contract by the MoD Admiralty Research Establishment and Marconi Space and Defence Systems, disappeared mysteriously on 8 January 1987 while writing his doctoral thesis on underwater acoustic signal processing at Loughborough University, just three weeks away from its successful completion. Both mainland police and Interpol launched searches for him in several countries, without success. However, he was eventually found four months later on 8 May 1987 working under an assumed name in a Paris sweatshop for illegal migrants. He claimed that he did not know precisely how he had got there. No charges were laid and police considered the case closed. Allegedly, he later returned to his work and stated that he does not want to discuss his disappearance nor the death of his colleague, Vimal Dajibhai. His PhD thesis entitled Synthetic Aperture Sonar, was finally successfully submitted in 1988 <2>

Robert Greenhalgh

In 1988 Robert Greenhalgh, a contracts manager at ICL's defence division at Winnersh near Reading, suffered multiple injuries after falling from a railway bridge on his way to work. The firm admitted he had been positively vetted and may have had access to secret UK and NATO data.

Shani Warren

Shani Warren (26) was a personal assistant in a company called Micro Scope, which was taken over by GEC Marconi less than four weeks after her death. Found drowned in 18in (450mm) of water, not far from the site of Greenhalghs death fall. Warren died on April 10, 1987, exactly one week after Gooding's death and Greenhalgh's injury. She was found gagged with a noose around her neck. Her feet were also bound and her hands tied behind her back. Coroners verdict: Open. (It was said that Warren had gagged herself, tied her feet with rope, then tied her hands behind her back and hobbled to the lake on stiletto heels to drown herself.)
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 02:11 PM
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198. What are these connected to . . . ???
Anthrax . . . ?

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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 04:10 PM
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66. Cliff Baxter -- Enron Executive/key witness
Edited on Thu May-01-08 04:11 PM by nashville_brook
(on edit -- didn't see this one, duh -- oh well)

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/04/10/eveningnews/m...

The Mysterious Death Of An Enron Exec
Police Still Investigating Death Of Key Witness Cliff Baxter

WASHINGTON, April 10, 2002



(CBS) It may be the biggest outstanding mystery in the Enron story: the death of Cliff Baxter, a former top Enron executive. He'd just agreed to testify to Congress in the Enron case. A congressional source tells CBS News that Baxter wasn't a target in the probe, he was to provide evidence against others.

But on the morning of January 25th he was found in his car - shot dead.

Police were criticized for calling it a suicide before investigating, so they kept the case open. The fact that it's still open more than two months later has made the Cliff Baxter case prime fodder for murder conspiracy theories, reports CBS News Correspondent Sharyl Attkisson.

(snip)

Asked why he couldn't rule out murder, Wagner said, "because murder can be made to look like a suicide. ... Someone who is knowledgeable about forensics can very well have the ability to stage a murder, commit a murder and stage it to look as if it was a suicide, understanding what the police are going to be looking for."

The experts found several things highly unusual. First the peculiar ammunition: not regular bullets but something called "rat-shot". "This kind of ammunition cannot be easily or readily traced back to the gun from which it was fired," explained Wecht.

"It's not as frequently used by people for any reason. It's not the type of ammunition one finds in guns - it has a specific purpose: shooting at snakes and rodents in order to get a distribution pattern of the small pellets contained within the nose portion of the bullet. It's not something that a person is likely to have and to use if they intended to kill themselves," said Wecht. Other unanswered questions include mysterious wounds on one hand and unexplained shards of glass in Baxter's shirt. All reasons to look deeper to rule out murder.

more at link
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druidity33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 04:33 PM
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68. This should get reposted...
With all the updates added.

Maybe even try and connect some of the dots right here at DU!

Do we have a DU Investigative Team?

...


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druidity33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 04:34 PM
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69. K&R also... nt
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 05:27 PM
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76. Post it in the research forum where people can add to it. n/t
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 04:51 PM
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70. K & GRRRRR!
To quote the great Dicksteele.
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 05:13 PM
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72. k&r and thank you! nt
:hi:
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chat_noir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 05:20 PM
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73. Barry Seal
Terry Reed, author of the book "Compromised: Clinton Bush and the CIA" which describes in great detail, among other things, the drug smugling of Barry Seal, claims that he and Seal delivered two kilos of cocaine to the Bush sons, George W and Jeb, at the Opa Locka airport in Florida during the early 1980s.

Barry Seals came to a sticky fate shortly after bragging about possessing footage of a certain vice-president's sons engaged in a cocaine deal

Compromised by Terry Reed
http://www.amazon.com/Compromised-Clinton-Bush-Terry-Re...

It has all the makings of a major box office thriller: Texas Governor and Republican Presidential contender George W. Bush and his brother Jeb, allegedly caught on videotape in 1985 picking up kilos of cocaine at a Florida airport in a DEA sting set up by Barry Seal.

An ensuing murderous cover-up featuring Seal's public assassination less than a year later by a hit team the members of which, when caught, reveal to their attorneys during trial that their actions were being directed by then, National Security Council (NSC) staffer - Lt. Colonel Oliver North.
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Bill219 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 08:56 AM
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137. HBO made a movie about his story awhile ago
Edited on Fri May-02-08 08:58 AM by Bill219
I believe it was called Double Crossed

Dennis Hopper was cast as Barry Seal

Found the link for the movie on Amazon

http://www.amazon.com/Double-Crossed-Dennis-Hopper/dp/6...
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Wiley50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 05:21 PM
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74. don't leave out Steve Kanga n/t
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 06:06 PM
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243. Steve Kangas
Good memory, Wiley50!

Thanks for the heads-up, scarlet woman!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 05:24 PM
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75. What a profoundly unsettling series of coincidences!
I'd be suspicious, if it weren't for the fact that they seem to happen all the time.





















:sarcasm:
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ogsbee Donating Member (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 05:44 PM
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77. Remember this listing site?
Edited on Thu May-01-08 06:31 PM by ogsbee
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 06:46 PM
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83. Yes I do recall that one
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ogsbee Donating Member (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 08:40 AM
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136. Kittym, of the Bush Body Count
I used to run into her posts at Salon Tabletalk or maybe TAP in the early days before blogs. Does anyone know if she blogs or posts anywhere now?
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MinM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:02 AM
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138. Margie Schoedinger
The Strange Death of the Woman Who Filed a Rape Lawsuit Against Bush
Early one Saturday afternoon in July 2003, I made a simple phone call to Margie Schoedinger, a Texas woman who filed a rape lawsuit against George W. Bush in December 2002. I expected to leave a message on a machine, so I was caught a little offguard when Schoedinger answered.

She, too, sounded somewhat surprised I had called, saying she hadn't heard from many other reporters. But she talked to me for a few minutes about the legal action.

"I am still trying to prosecute ," said Schoedinger, a 38-year-old African-American woman who lived in the Houston suburb of Missouri City. "I want to get this matter settled and go on with my life."

Well, Schoedinger hasn't gone on with her life. In fact, three months after I spoke to her, she died in an apparent suicide. And this matter remains unsettled...

http://www.opednews.com/thoreau1103bush_rape_suicide.ht...
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ogsbee Donating Member (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:58 PM
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178. I misphrased that. Does anyone know where Kittym is blogging/posting?
Oops. It's too late to edit #77 and I just realized how it read.
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 06:02 PM
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78. There was a government employee who fell from a building in Washington
Edited on Thu May-01-08 06:12 PM by aint_no_life_nowhere
I don't recall his name, but his death was ruled an accident. I believe the guy had something to do with the State Department and intelligence involving WMD. Wish I could remember his name.

ON EDIT: I found it. It was John Kokal.

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/112003_kokal....

November 20, 2003 (FTW), WASHINGTON -- In a case eerily reminiscent of the death of British Ministry of Defense bio-weapons expert, Dr. David Kelly, an official of the State Department's Bureau of Intelligence and Research Near East and South Asian division (INR/NESA), John J. Kokal, 58, was found dead in the late afternoon of November 7. Police indicated he may have jumped from the roof of the State Department. Kokal's body was found at the bottom of a 20 foot window well, 8 floors below the roof of the State Department headquarters near the 23rd and D Street location. Kokal's death was briefly mentioned in a FOX News website story on November 8 but has been virtually overlooked by the major media.

Interestingly, the FOX report states that State Department officials confirmed Kokal's death to The Washington Post yet the Post - according to an archive search - has published nothing at all about Kokal's death. A subsequent search revealed that the Post had made a short three-paragraph entry the death in the Metro section on November 7, 2003. However, the Post entry stated that Kokal did not work in intelligence and the story does not show up in the archives.

Kokal's INR bureau was at the forefront of confronting claims that Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction. Washington police have not ruled out homicide as the cause of his death. Kokal was not wearing either a jacket or shoes when his body was found. He lived in Arlington, Virginia.
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 06:31 PM
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80. Artist Mark Lombardi
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Lugnut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 07:23 PM
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84. K&R n/t
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 07:45 PM
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85. Betty MacDonald, David Ferrie, Lt. William Pitzer, William Pawley, Lou Staples and
George DeMohrenschildt.
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 07:52 PM
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86. I think the list should be broken up
Bush administration, Clinton administration, Bush Administration , Reagan administration
pre-Reagan administration.

With the categories of Suicides and Suspicious deaths.

If anyone wants to take this on and put this in the research forum
be my guest because there is a lot of information with links
in this thread.


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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 02:15 PM
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200. The earlier era of political violence . . which wasn't the first or last . . .
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 08:01 PM
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88. what about the Minot "runaway" Nukes guys? six loaded live nukes... dead air men... ??
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


September 14th, 2007

Remember the one about the B-52 bomber that, according to legend, had six nuclear weapons loaded onto it by accident, which, of course, could not have happenedby accidentfor a dozen different reasons, or more.

Airman 1st Class Todd Blue was assigned to the unit that provides security for that bomber wing at Minot Air Force base. He died while on leave in Virginia. No further details have been released.

Coincidence?

Was he on duty when those nuclear weapons were loaded onto the B-52, by accident? If anyone has any further information on this, please let me know.

I expected to see many more deaths of Minot and Barksdale Air Force personnel in the wake of this incident.

Have I missed any others?
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 08:06 PM
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90. That would be placed under suspicious deaths and yes they are important
I remember those untimely deaths at the time.

Also, Col. Charles D. Riechers - Air Force- Ret. who was the Air Forces' major procurement officer
Still no autopsy report on him and they promised it.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 09:02 PM
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91. i totally missed these when they happened.
didn't know about it until my fellow DUers posted threads. thank you! :patriot:
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 02:17 PM
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202. That's another "disappeared" story --- flying nukes !!!
Edited on Fri May-02-08 02:17 PM by defendandprotect
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OffWithTheirHeads Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 09:04 PM
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92. Amazing, no one has mentioned Bobby or John.
N/t.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 02:19 PM
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203. JFK, RFK, MLK, Jr. .......hit on Wallace . . . JFK, Jr. ---
Edited on Fri May-02-08 02:22 PM by defendandprotect
JFK, Jr. is going to be a tough one cause I don't think people have read enough about it ---
but it looks like he had a co-pilot with him ---

this wasn't an accident ---


Of course these aren't suicides ---
but many mysterious deaths surrounded these deaths ---
and I've read that in DC something like 100 or more lawyers were taken out after the JFK assassination.

I'd also imagine that the torture of many seems to suggest that they find out where any
evidence or information may be hidden and make sure it doesn't float out ---




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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 09:32 PM
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93. here are 233
"non-hostile" deaths not attributed to accident, illness, natural causes. About 20 of them are specifically said to be suicides; a few say someone is under arrest for homicide. About half are a single gunshot wound to the head.

Quite a few of them were assigned to guarding prisoners - three in Guantanamo, several in Bahrain, Djibiouti, Abu Ghraib.

http://www.zeitlangers.com/monthly_html_pages/unspecifi...
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 02:25 PM
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204. I think that should teach us that when we ask, "WHY aren't there
more whistleblowers or soldiers protesting..." that we should simply understand that it is happening all the time --- and these people are wiped out and it's covered up.

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 02:26 PM
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205. Also many military people "suicided" in what looks like whistleblowing on drug
running in military --- this has been going on for decades!
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 09:40 PM
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94. Wow.... almost 9000 views
in a short time....... interesting

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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 10:00 PM
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95. from 8900 to 9300 in 10 minutes
This needs to go into the research forum also

Can a moderator do that?
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 11:35 PM
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98. K & R.
:kick: :kick: :kick:

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 11:36 PM
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99. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 11:47 PM
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100. Yes he was one too...... now we have over 10,000 people looking at this
thread.
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Tangerine LaBamba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:01 AM
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108. Good
The more people know, the more powerful we are.

Isn't it odd how so many of these so-called suicides involved jumping from high places?

I found this about Gus:

Gus Weiss, 2003: "jumped from building"

Gus Weiss, a Nashville native who advised four presidents, served on the National Security Council for 16 years and won numerous awards for his foreign policy and intelligence-gathering skills, has died. He was 72. Friends of Mr. Weiss expressed shock at his death....

"He was wired into the intelligence community, and there were a lot of mystical secrets we weren't privy to," said Harris Gilbert, a Nashville attorney who had been friends with Mr. Weiss since childhood. "He was very interested in diplomatic strategy and was very, very opposed to the Iraq war. It was the first military action he ever opposed, but he believed we shouldn't go to war in the Middle East without knowing what we were getting into."

http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2004/08/suicide-d...
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 02:29 PM
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206. Another one new to me . . .
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 11:54 PM
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102. Mark Lombardi


There are many, many more, like Danny Casolaro, Abbie Hoffman, John F. Kennedy, Jr....

Thank you for a most important post, Ichingcarpenter.

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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:00 AM
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107. JFK junior death
was one that was not mentioned

Please give a link for others to look at.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 02:31 PM
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207. Agree --- I don't know how many people have read enough on this yet,
however, for them to necessarily understand this as an assassination --- ?

But for those not familiar, it looks like he had a co-pilot with him in the plane ---


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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 11:47 AM
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241. ''Three times is enemy action.''
Edited on Sat May-03-08 11:48 AM by Octafish
Some suspect a bomb.



Was JFK Jr. Murdered?"

EXCERPT...

THE BIG POINT The one TREMENDOUSLY important fact is that Kennedy radioed the Martha's Vineyard airport at 9:39 PM; indicating his position, location and trajectory; indicating a smooth flight in every imaginable sense of the word; indicating a calm, collected and completely "in control" state of mind on his part and complete command of his craft. This vital fact is made note of in a UPI press report datelined July 17, Aquinnah, (Martha's Vineyard, Mass. The UPI article refers to both WCVB-TV Boston and ABC News (national) as having also reported this crucial information.

SECONDS LATER, according to radar returns this craft was plunging toward the ocean LIKE A ROCK; at the rate of 100 ft. per second. Again, this radio call was made AFTER the time investigators are now claiming Kennedy's flight was in serious trouble... according to their conveniently and "recently discovered" phony radar evidence. The UNQUESTIONABLE fact of the time of Kennedy's radio contact INVALIDATES COMPLETELY all such claims of distress being shown on radar by Kennedy's plane.

CONTINUED...

http://www.angelfire.com/wy/1000/WasJFKJR.Murdered.html

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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 11:57 PM
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103. Look no Ignoreds either...
:kick:
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 11:58 PM
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104. Frank Olson
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 11:58 PM
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105. John ONeil
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 11:59 PM
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106. MLK
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juno jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:19 AM
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109. K&R! n/t
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:34 AM
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111. Not a suicide, but let's not forget Pat Tilman
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:38 AM
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112. Already included
I am pleased at the views this thread gets

Even if some are agents.
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:43 AM
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113. Why did mods delete Riad Hamad? Because he's Palestinian?
n/t
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:48 AM
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114. Include it again we have another mod now
It was a suspicious suicide when he taped his mouth and hands

Be sure to put the links in.
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 10:51 AM
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237. Here it is. Thanks Iching.
Suicide ? The strange death of Riad Hamad, a Palestinian activist, in Austin, Texas




by Adib S. Kawar


Global Research, April 20, 2008


We were greatly shocked and saddened with the news of the murder of Riad Hamad Esolh. Riad's body was found floating in Lady Bird Lake in Austin after he was reported missing since the beginning of the week.

Riad was a dedicated man as chairman of the "Palestinian Child Welfare Foundation", he was helping disabled children in Palestinian refugee camps, and he used to ask for my help to contact these unfortunate children to hand them financial help for medical treatment, education and food.

I am sure that these young people and families who had highly appreciated Riad's help and humanity shall be saddened and in tears with the dreadful sad news of Riad's murder.

We are sure it is a murder, and not a suicide, for a man who dedicated his life to help the unfortunate to recover from their sickness, complete their schooling, and have enough food so as to live a decent life, even in their retched refugee camps, would not commit suicide. He was helping people to live, then how would he take his own life!!!

What shocked me was to hear that some security agents broke into his house and carried away with them his files and CDs and other things, I didn't know what happened after that, but I was sure that he would be accused of supporting some "terror organizations" or "white washing money"!

This is a big joke that Zionists and those who collaborate with them would want to see even disabled Palestinian children helped to overcome the hardships Zionism had brought them.

We call on all those who are in a position to donate to Riad's fund so as his good work will be continued, not to hesitate in doing so. I am sure that with continuing the hard and honest work shall make his soul rest in peace.

Riad comes from Beirut and lived in Beirut not far from the Palestinian refugee camps that surround Beirut, which see first hand their hardships, for who he decided extend his help to enable his Arab compatriots practice their Right of Return to their homes and land.

God bless his soul. A friend that I had never met face to face, but heart to heart.

http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=8741


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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:53 AM
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115. Flight 93, you know that hole the plane gouged in the earth in PA?
it was already there from a 1993 USGLS map.

let alone the whole 911 farce.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:10 PM
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167. whoa -- funny, but that fits the narrow definition of 'suicide v murder' given that
93 was likely shot down, and the the popular myth is that it was an heroic rescue attempt from a suicide mission.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 02:33 PM
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209. Agree, again . . .
That is some interesting info to get out there --- !!!

How did you come across it?

Re 9/11 . . . from what I've most recently read, it looks like one plane was used to
run one way past the WTC and the from the other direction past the WTC and then down to
DC to fly OVER the Pentagon and then to get blown up somewhere near PA/MA?

What are you reading?


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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 04:03 AM
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116. You missed out Vincent Foster
Edited on Fri May-02-08 04:13 AM by edwardlindy
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 04:37 AM
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117. And Frank Olson too
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:52 AM
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158. (it was deleted) the littleknown scuttlebutt is that he found evidence linking Bush
to the Mrs. E. Howard Hunt plane crash -- that it was Republican operatives, not the Clintons, who were involved in the murder.
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:01 PM
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180. I didn't say
he was involved in anything - just that his death was suspect. Hope they don't make a film now you've spoiled the ending :rofl:
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:15 PM
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184. i KNOW! sorry 'bout that.
:evilgrin:
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:44 PM
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187. I only knew who he was
due to a character in John Grishholme's The Broker upon whom he was apparently based due to committing suicide by shooting himself in the head from 12 feet away :rofl:
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 02:37 PM
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210. Do we have any theories on the motivations if this was
Edited on Fri May-02-08 02:38 PM by defendandprotect
another case of being "suicided" --- ???

Actually, the whole right-wing Swift-boating of the Clinton Administration turned me off
on thinking that we would get any real info on what happened ---

I do know that Bill had assigned some people to look into the JFK thing and UFO's ...
and probably some other stuff some people wanted to stay buried --

The other guy . . . what was his name . . . he actually went to jail???
He had one of the assignments ---

And then there is extensive just crippling of people --- like the woman connected to the
"Whitewater" thing . . . can't remember her name at the moment ---
they railroaded her into prison!!!

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MinM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 06:31 AM
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125. Dorothy Kilgallen
This might be the most obvious one. Given Kilgallen's physical resemblance to Palfrey and the threat posed to the powers that be:

"Dorthy Kilgallen was of course murdered "

YouTube - What's My Line ? After death of Dorothy Kilgallen Part 1

Midwest Today | WHO KILLED DOROTHY KILGALLEN?
During her 35-year career as a gossip columnist, crime reporter and panelist on the weekly TV game show, "What's My Line?," Dorothy Kilgallen ("Dolly Mae" to her friends), was a fearless journalist who broke major stories, and was the only reporter to interview Lee Harvey Oswald's killer, Jack Ruby. Her biggest case yet -- investigating President John F. Kennedy's assassination, and finding fault with the official story -- became the last one she ever pursued. She died mysteriously in November 1965, after being threatened, but the cops never probed further. Thanks to reruns on the Game Show Network, fans are still talking about Dorothy, including Larry King of CNN, and Dominick Dunne, who wrote about her in Vanity Fair. Now, shocking new information has emerged.

As a formidable crime reporter, Kilgallen immediately started asking tough questions of the authorities. She had a good contact within the Dallas Police Department, who gave her a copy of the original police log that chronicled the minute-by-minute activities of the department on the day of the assassination, as shown in the radio communications. This allowed her to report that the first reaction of Chief Jesse Curry to the shots in Dealey Plaza was: "Get a man on top of the overpass and see what happened up there." Kilgallen noted that he lied when he told reporters the next day that he initially thought the shots were fired from the Texas School Book Depository.

Dorothy challenged the credibility of Howard Brennan (who supposedly gave police a description of the shooter). She wrote articles about how important witnesses had been intimidated by the Dallas police or FBI.

In the midst of her aggressive reportage on the Kennedy case, Dorothy met a man who was to intrigue her the last months of her life. He helped her on some of her JFK stories but ultimately was to come under suspicion by amateur sleuths as having been involved in her death. Questions about him were raised by Lee Israel, who wrote the 1979 biography "Kilgallen." She never printed his name, and referred to him only obliquely as "the Out-of-Towner." But he is Ron Pataky, and he was interviewed by Midwest Today publisher Larry Jordan...

On Sept. 25, 1964, Kilgallen ran an interview with Acquilla Clemons, one of the witnesses to the shooting of Officer Tippit whom the Warren Commission never questioned. Clemons told Kilgallen that she saw two men running from the scene, neither of whom fit Oswald's description.

Dorothy also approached one of Jack Ruby's lawyers, Joe Tonahill. Surprisingly, Ruby (who fatally shot Lee Harvey Oswald, who was suspected of assassinating John Kennedy) agreed to talk with her. Some have speculated that Ruby would not have told her anything important, but Tonahill strongly disagrees. "This interview with her was a very significant point in his classless life," Tonahill asserts. He affirmed that Ruby "cooperated with her in every way that he could, and told her the truth as he understood it. It was just a very agreeable conversation between them. I just can't understand people doubting the sincerity of that interview."

The attorney, who observed the two talking, said that "I don't think there was any doubt about it... Jack was highly impressed with Dorothy Kilgallen... Of all the writers that were down there during the Ruby trial -- about 400 from all over the world -- she probably was the one that, to him, was the most significant."

Kilgallen never published any information she obtained from her private talk with Jack Ruby, but Ron Pataky says that's because she was "saving it for a book." She was under contract to Random House, Bennett Cerf's company, to produce a tome that was supposedly going to be a collection of stories about the famous murder trials she had covered. Instead, says Ron, "It would have been on JFK, the entire assassination. That's what we were really working on. Of course. Who better to write it? When she got into the JFK thing, as we all know, the world went crazy. But given her background, given the people she spoke with, don't you think the obvious thing would be that that would be THE book?"

One of the biggest scoops of Kilgallen's career came when she obtained the 102-page transcript of Ruby's testimony to the Warren Commission. Readers were shocked at the hopelessly inept questioning of Ruby by Chief Justice Warren, and by Warren's failure to follow up on the leads Ruby was feeding him. Attorney Melvin Belli called Dorothy's scoop "the ruin of the Warren Commission." Incidentally, John Daly, moderator of "What's My Line?", was married to Chief Justice Warren's daughter, Virginia...

Three days after Dorothy died, Bob and Jean Bach invited her widower Richard Kollmar over for dinner. Bob then asked him, "Dick, what was all that stuff in the folder Dorothy carried around with her about the assassination?" Richard replied, "Robert, I'm afraid that will have to go to the grave with me."

At the funeral, Dorothy's bereaved mother, Mae, angrily confronted Dick Kollmar. Pointing a finger at him, she said, "You killed my daughter, and I will prove it." But Marc Sinclaire said, "I don't think he could have done it. I think more than one person was involved in Dorothy's death."

On January 7, 1971, Richard Kollmar was found dead in bed of a drug overdose, just like Dorothy. David Susskind's widow, Joyce, described Dick as "this guy who was always in his cups. He had the looks, he had the intelligence to do something with his life if he had not had this alcoholic cross to bear."

In 1975, the FBI contacted Dorothy's son, Dickie, still trying to locate his mother's papers. Her JFK notes were never found..

Dick Kollmar told inconsistent stories to the police. In one version, he claimed that Dorothy had returned from "What's My Line?" at 11:30 p.m. "feeling chipper," that she "went in to write column," that he had said goodnight and then gone to bed.

Dorothy's inquiry into Jack Ruby's ties to the mob, and her relentless exploration of the Warren Report's gross inadequacies, threatened to expose dark secrets that powerful people both in and out of government did not want revealed. Documents obtained under the Freedom of Information Act confirm that the FBI perceived her exposs as enough of a threat that they monitored her closely.

Incredibly, the CIA had 53 field offices around the world watching her on her foreign travels. Given this context, it is hard to see her untimely death as a mere accident.

There is no statute of limitations on murder, and there are enough people alive who could be questioned. But will there be enough interest by the powers that be to pursue this? As Dorothy once reflected, "Justice is a big rug. When you pull it out from under one person, a lot of others fall, too." Justice needs to be done in this case.
http://www.midtod.com/new/articles/7_14_07_Dorothy.html

What's My Line ? Milton Berle Panelist 10/17/65 Part 1
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/1Dallas.htm
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:21 PM
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169. holy crap. i've never heard of her before. this is a classic journo/whistleblower
assassination (if true, which, it prolly is given the complete lack of reality surrounding the whole JFK mess).

thank you for posting this -- not just b/c it's fascinating in terms of unsolved mysteries, but b/c it points to the "dead serious" importance of honest journalism.

it's so sad that murder is no longer necessary to achieve media complicity -- now all you have to do is threaten them with "losing privilege" or "access." Dorothy Kilgallen is a true american hero -- the kind of woman who inspired me as a young girl. damn, we've lost our way.
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MinM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 10:33 AM
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235. It really is incredible...
On so many levels. And frankly it's understandable when some refuse to believe that people would go to such lengths. Until they realize that similar tactics are employed routinely, and in most cases, for much smaller stakes than influencing world events:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 02:47 PM
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211. Read quickly: Does the article mention the death of her best friend?
Edited on Fri May-02-08 02:48 PM by defendandprotect
It seems she may have had some of her papers . . . ???
If I recall correctly, that was like immediately after Kilgallen's death ---




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MinM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 04:11 PM
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225. Margaret Smith?
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 08:26 PM
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230. I'm not sure of her name ... just that she was her best friend and I think
lived nearby ---

Wow . . . when you make one connection it reminds you of others ---

there was an employee of Ruby who I believe hanged herself in her jail cell?

There's Hale Boggs --- was he a Sen. or a Rep? ---

There's Clint Hill ---

AND, Ruby had at least one if not TWO of his judges die of heart attacks as they studied his
case/request for appeals and new trials ...

Supposedly the CIA had the formula for this --- supposedly used it on Hoover --- put it on his soap?

How much easier this would have been to have dealt with these people when all of this first happened . . . Madeline Brown, one of LBJ's mistresses, says they were planning this for two years.
Her son --- evidently LBJ's child --- was killed when he was going to seek his share of LBJ's inheritance!

They're way ahead of us in the game of violence and power-plays ---

I don't know if we can catch up with them --- can we count on them destroying themselves???



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MinM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:57 PM
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231. Speaking of connections -- Kilgallen's "Out-of-Towner"
Ron Pataky has some interesting ones:

Ron "Out-of-Towner" Pataky
It has been suggested by John Simkin that Kilgallen suspected that "Out-of-Towner" was a CIA spy. She therefore told her friends this is what he said so that if anything happened to her, a future investigator would realize that he was a CIA agent with links to Clare Booth Luce...

Midwest Today | WHO KILLED DOROTHY KILGALLEN?
The well-built, 29-year-old Ron Pataky was quite a ladies' man. He had been engaged to the famous singer Anna Maria Alberghetti, squired Mia Farrow while staying at her mother, Maureen O'Sullivan's New York apartment, and brags that he "dated half of the females in Hollywood." So why his interest in Dorothy Kilgallen, who was old enough to be his mother?

Conspiracy buffs will no doubt seize on the fact that Pataky told us, "I knew Sam Giancana through Phyllis McGuire. Drunk one night, I tried to put the make on her. That didn't work..."

Decades later, Ron Pataky, then 56, went on to earn a master's degree in Christian Counselling from Jerry Falwell's Liberty University in Lynchburg, Virginia, and a Ph.D. in Christian Counselling from Trinity Theological Seminary in Newburgh, Indiana
...

Of course it was Sam Giancana's jealousy of Phyllis McGuire that revealed the CIA's Castro plot to John and Bobby:

The CIA blackmailed itself into existence by collecting material on our leaders


Howard Hughes knew before President John Kennedy and his brother Robert Kennedy did that the CIA was trying to kill Castro. Hughes found out when Maheu had to ask for a leave of absence to run the operation.

The Kennedy brothers found out about the plots shortly after the FBI uncovered a bugging operation in Las Vegas.

Sam Giancana, one of the Mafia members hired to kill Castro, had suspected his mistress Phyllis McGuire was having an affair with Dan Rowan (of the Rowan and Martin Laugh-In comedy team)
. Maheu, as a favor to Giancana, hired a Florida detective to bug Rowans hotel room. But the detective left his equipment in plain sight, and the maid reported the equipment to the police, who contacted the FBI. The CIA admitted to Hoover that CIA was directly involved in the bugging and convinced Hoover not to further investigate. The CIA then told Robert Kennedy about the CIAs use of Giancana in a plot to kill Castro. Given that Robert Kennedy had faced Giancana down in a courtroom (where he famously accused Giancana of giggling like a little girl), trying to prosecute him for Mafia activities, Robert was understandably furious at CIA for using the Mob, and furious at them trying to kill Castro...

http://www.blackopradio.com/black303b.ram
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 12:14 AM
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232. Ron Pataky . . . read most of this, but didn't get a chance to look at the links . . .
Edited on Sat May-03-08 12:40 AM by defendandprotect
Pataky is very interesting and presume . . . possibly the actual murderer?
Though he looks a little picture perfect to be hauling bodies around, putting the wrong clothing
on them, setting up a crime scene? Of course, drugs work well in quietly subduing an intended victim . . . !!!
If so, he may have also killed Dorthy's best friend... ?

Obviously, though, he was there to find out what she knew and may have sounded the alarm?
He said he did some writing with Kilgallen on the JFK story.
Though why Kilgallen wouldn't have been concerned if she knew Paltry was CIA ---
or why she kept him around is a bit of a puzzle . . .

But the info reminded me that Casolaro seemed to be getting very close --- very close ---
to unraveling a lot of this "octopus." It seemed that he was most interested in Hughes ...
did they own General Motors? Wacknenhut, Bectel/?. Sorry, it's been a long time since I read
about this.

HOWEVER, it also reminds me that with the recent death of Wm. Buckley --- also CIA ---
that some info came floating out that the CIA had instructed Howard Hughes, thru one of his CIA front companies,
to FINANCE THE CAMPAIGNS of certain Senators and Representatives.
One of those was Gerald Ford --- another was Strom Thurmond.
This also explains how --- along with election steals --- these criminals were able to move up in the world!!


THIS is also very interesting .....

However, Kilgallen broke this rule when on the 3rd August, 1962, she became the first journalist to refer to Kennedy's relationship with Marilyn Monroe. She did not actually name him but left enough clues for the readers to identify Kennedy as the secret man in Monroe's life (later Kilgallen told friends she was actually referring to Robert Kennedy). One can only assume that she came under severe pressure from someone to write this story.

The following day, Monroe was found dead. Kilgallen must have realized that she had been set her up to smear the Kennedy brothers. Rumours soon began circulating that Robert Kennedy had arranged Monroe's death to protect his brother's reputation.


Perhaps we have been looking at the Monroe murder a little upside down --
the results of it have made the alleged JFK/Monroe affair well known, smearing the president.
And, not only smearing RFK as possibly also having had an affair with Monroe --- but also
as having directed her killing!!!

Kilgallen recognized that she had been used to set off this smear against JFK and RFK --
and the naming of MONROE ...

Probably she also saw the connection between Monroe's death and the article???
Kilgallen was a really sharp lady -- she may have also recognized that Monroe was "suicided"...???

Perhaps they were trying to get JFK so smeared by this scandal that he would resign?
And, in fact, RFK then forced to leave, as well?
This might have saved them the activities involved in the open coup on JFK?
However, even if it didn't work, the scandal would help lower JFK in the eyes of the public.

PS: The best friend seems to be Florence Pritchett Smith ---
a former lover of JFK's ---
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MinM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 12:40 PM
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242. Florence Pritchett Smith
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ogsbee Donating Member (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 11:45 AM
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240. Ah yes, the curious death of judges, Judge Battle, for example
He was "found" by government prosecutor James W. Beasley slumped over Ray's appeal letter. So I suppose the question would be, what health was Judge Battle in when Beasley first found him that day.
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Homer Wells Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 07:36 AM
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127. K&R n/t
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 07:50 AM
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128. Vince Foster
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 08:00 AM
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131. There was a website a few yrs back "What happened to the scientists?"
Unsure, but I think it's gone ... or has since morphed into another.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 08:18 AM
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 08:24 AM
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133. Thanks, but no the one I'm thinking of wasn't Rense: it was all black, blog-like
Thanks for posting that one though.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:59 PM
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179. we can't link to that -- try: Death by Association (David Kelly + anthrax scientists)
Edited on Fri May-02-08 01:00 PM by nashville_brook
(rense is a no-no -- he's gone batshit crazy with the anti-semitic crap.)

http://www.globalcomplexity.org/Deathbyassociation.htm

The extraordinary frequency of untimely deaths that benefit the Bush family

The recent death of microbiologist Dr David Kelly, the BBC's mole in the Iraq intelligence dossier scandal, is particularly poignant as he was at odds with what both George Bush and Blair were claiming about post-war discoveries of Iraqi weapons. Though an apparent suicide, rumours are beginning to circulate that this might be another case of a man with vital information being 'suicided' as a warning to others to keep their mouths shut? Days after his name was leaked, reportedly by the Ministry of Defense, as the suspected source for the BBC's May 29 report, Kelly was grilled by a Parliamentary committee set up to investigate the justifications of what led Britain to war in Iraq. Two days later Kelly's body was found in a wooded area near his home, his wrist slashed and a partly-empty package of painkillers nearby.

Whatever the truth about Dr Kelly's death, the possibility of the existence of government hit squads are a growing concern- in fact, in the US it almost seems as if it's the American way of dealing with muck-raking undesirables and whistleblowers.

Take the six dead American microbiologists linked to the hoax anthrax attacks. When the source of the high-grade anthrax was traced back to a Pentagon lab, microbiologists started dropping off like flies - five died between 12 November and 12 December 2001 in a series of suicides or heart attacks, usually in remote rural areas, while one was bashed to death with a baseball bat in a high-security lab. At least six and as many as fifteen died under suspicious circumstances -and all were directly connected to the CIA and its super-secret bio-weapons programs. It's not unreasonable to assume that when people are 'disappeared' it's because they know something important or incriminating were they in a position to shed light on the anthrax attacks?

Government hit squads and FBI spooks and snipers seem the stuff of fiction - routinely dismissed by those in the know as conspiracy-theory rubbish. But is it? It's a well-established fact that the US government has death squads all over Latin America and other parts of the world and, since the government-sanctioned killings at Ruby Ridge and Waco, where most of the victims were children, it has become apparent that it also terrorises its own people. According to a 1995 CNN/Time poll, 55% of Americans believe that 'the federal government has become so powerful that it threatens the rights of citizens ". Does the US government really terrorise its own citizens and deliberately silence journalists who don't toe the line?

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brit54 Donating Member (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 08:36 AM
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135. Did you see video of DC Madam denying any intent of suicide?
DC Madam: "They will make it look like suicide"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzvrgQ5hOM4
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:31 AM
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140. Did you see the court papers she filed claiming to be suicidal the last time she faced jail time?
:shrug:
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:21 AM
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154. No, why don't you show us? nt
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:36 AM
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155. Here you go:
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:04 PM
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164. the only problem with that is that her lawyers were pleading for lieniency -- it doesn't have
same weight as if she had actually attempted suicide and a medical doctor came forth saying she was in imminent danger. also, this was in the early 90s, prior to her recent statements claiming that we shouldn't believe a suicide. i give this maybe a half-point in terms of counter-example, given the lawyer's interest in keeping her out of jail.

also given that she had not been sentenced, nor had exhausted appeal -- she had every reason to look forward to fighting the conviction. if this were after the sentencing and appeal, i'd me more swayed by the pleading.
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 03:26 PM
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222. That wasn't the last time "she faced jail time"
That statement says she considered suicide while she was in jail 17 years ago. Do you really think that 17 year old statement, made in a brief to the court - full of hyperbole intended to reduce her sentence - is more relevant than recent public statements that she would not commit suicide?
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f the letter Donating Member (402 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:29 AM
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139. Hey, stop asking questions! Keep shopping!
An auspicious list there
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GETPLANING Donating Member (370 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:43 AM
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145. Raymond Lemme, Florida Election Fraud Investigator
http://www.bradblog.com/?page_id=3980

Lemme was found dead in a Valdosta, Georgia motel room.

The police report determined the death was a suicide. However, The BRAD BLOG exposed a number of troubling inconsistencies in the police report including photographs from the crime scene which the Valdosta police report claimed would not exist due to a failed "flash memory card" in the camera. In reality, however, the photographs do exist and are now posted along with the other troubling inconsistencies and anomalies in this part of the story.

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ringtailtooter Donating Member (76 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 10:04 AM
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148. Awesome and intriguing, this will keep me busy for hours!
I just finished reading about the microbiologists, what a story. It's amazing how so many people just dismiss the implications and brand you a conspiracy nutjob for just mentioning the possibility of our government's role in cover ups and corruption.

Great thread, keep it alive!
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 10:38 AM
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151. Mark Lombardi (also a hanging)
Edited on Fri May-02-08 10:39 AM by mod mom
In the early 1990s, Lombardi began researching the many scandals of the time, such as the BCCI scandal, or the Harken Energy scandal, or the Savings and Loan scandal; his thousands of index cards began to overwhelm his ability to deal with it. To cope, Mark began assembling them into physical outlines, and then into hand-written diagrams. They were intended to be a tool, to provide focus to his work, but he "...soon decided that this method of combining text and image in a single field (called a drawing, diagram or flow chart, whichever you prefer) really worked for me in other ways as well." This decision was spurred, according to Lombardi, while he was talking with a friend (Leonard Gumport, a lawyer in Los Angeles), about one portion of the Iran-Contra scandal, a one Saudi Arabian Adnan Khashoggi, whom Lombardi described as "the Saudi commercial agent and playboy arms dealer who had figured prominently in the Iran-Contra and had made large investments in the U.S. including in Houston. As Gumport spoke, I began taking notes, then sketching out a simple tree chart, showing the breakdown of Kashoggi's American holdings. Within days, I began making more of these charts, depicting other corporate networks I had researched. I was writing several pieces at the time and found the charts a useful, quick reference to the material at hand."

Initially, as the subject of one of his manuscripts, the primary focus was on the drug wars, but because of Pete Brewton's January 1990 newspaper series about the Houston S&L scandal, in which Brewton implicated the Bush family, CIA members, and Mafia members in a de facto conspiracy to steal vast sums of money, Lombardi shifted his emphasis to the laundering of the ill-gotten loot. Interestingly, the scandals were not a completely abstract pursuit; one of his former classmate's husband was involved, and when he disappeared, the only portion of his body recovered was his jawbone.

After Lombardi divorced his wife in October 1996, Lombardi moved to New York City since that would get him away from Houston, and because his work was going to be shown in a show at New York's Drawing Center, called Selections: Winter 1997. Not least, one of his friends, Fred Tomaselli lived in New York, and had been trying to persuade Lombardi to move to Williamsburg, New York.

-snip
After two highly successful solo art shows (Silent Partners, shown on 20 November 1998 at Joe Amrhein's gallery, Pierogi 2000, located near Lombardi's apartment; and Vicious Circles - a work drawing upon Jonathan Kwitny's book of the same name dealing with Mafia involvement in the legitimate commercial markets - shown on 14 October 1999 at the Deven Golden Gallery) and a popular group show called Greater New York: New Art in New York Now on 27 February 2000 at the P.S 1 art gallery, Mark Lombardi apparently died of suicide (hanging himself in his Williamsburg, Brooklyn, New York City studio apartment) in March, 2000, three years after he had moved to Williamsburg.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Lombardi
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 10:49 AM
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152. Ray Lemme
http://www.bradblog.com/ClintCurtisSummary.htm

Woke up one morning and drove to Georgia from Florida
checked into a motel room and then committed suicides.
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jonestonesusa Donating Member (630 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:15 AM
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153. I had not heard this about Gary Webb.
It was a provocative and amazing series, and at least for a while journalists were allowed to cover the story as a part of a metro daily. It's sad and troubling to hear about his death.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:51 AM
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157. Don't forget those dead microbiologists
I think they knew about the Anthrax deal
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:55 AM
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159. and the 25 dead Star Wars scientists --
something i hadn't known about until this thread.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marconi_Scientists

Between 1982 and 1990 twenty-five British based GEC-Marconi scientists and engineers who worked on the Sting Ray torpedo project, and other US Strategic Defense Initiative related projects (better known as Star Wars), are known to have died in mysterious circumstances.

Police investigations found the deaths to be unconnected. The death of the British defence journalist Jonathan Moyle, who was found hanged in his Santiago hotel room on 1 April 1990, has been the subject of speculation as being connected to the Marconi deaths. <1>
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:57 AM
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160. Yes! Yes! Yes! Very suspicious deaths. nt
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Th1onein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:01 PM
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161. WAIT A MINUTE! TWO gunshot wounds to the head in a suicide?
Hahahaha! You've got to be kidding? How does a suicider live to pull the trigger a SECOND time?

I'm talking about the Webb suicide.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:05 PM
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165. oh yeah! there's a "scientology suicide" that involved 4 gunshot wounds to the chest.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:26 PM
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171. Don't forget Sen. Mel Carnahan --- !!! Even though dead, he defeated Ashcroft --- !!!
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Baby Snooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:36 PM
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175. Don't forget Vince Foster...
Edited on Fri May-02-08 12:37 PM by Baby Snooks
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 04:22 PM
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226. I thought Vince Foster was on the Clinton Body Count list
Edited on Fri May-02-08 04:23 PM by slackmaster
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:55 PM
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191. Thom Hartmann just mentioned this thread
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 02:49 PM
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212. no way. cool!-- :) -- so noble to pursue truth in a time of secrecy
i haven't so much fun on a thread in years. it's like a trip down memory lane. i haven't thought about many of these stories in forever. many were quite inspiring to me. i hope his mention was a positive one, rather than "oh those batty CTers" -- which seems very un-Hartmann.

whistleblowers are such amazing heroes. it's the most noble pursuit to tell the truth in our age of secrecy (might that be THE meme for the last 8 years, Secrecy?). i imagine that many of these people who died, died a majestic death that deserves the honor of storytelling. they deserve that honor simply b/c in one way, there's no "majestic death." just death. and to die for want of telling the truth is the ultimate sacrifice.

there's another angle too -- of the anti-hero like the DC Madam, who (according to the narrative) died for stumbling upon a forbidden truth not b/c of the noble pursuit of journalism, but thru underworld connection. we can't know the truth of many of these heroes and anti-heroes, but their stories are amazing and beautiful and important.

one of the things that's always bothered me about anti-CTism is that it sweeps away the good with the "bad." we need to embrace these heroes -- not brush them under the rug. it's almost like Viet Nam Syndrome, that we dismiss discussion of conspiracies. As if we failed to understand the JFK murder, and now ALL talk of assassination is verboten. seems very irrational and irresponsible. we should honor the dead with truth.
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notesdev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 02:16 PM
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201. Admiral Boorda
I never did like the explanation given in that one, especially since the cover story was proven to be incorrect after the fact.
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ogsbee Donating Member (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 05:17 PM
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227. There are no death squads in the U.S. Repeat after me. There are no death squads in the U.S.
There are no death squads in the U.S. There are no death squads in the U.S. There're all kind of strange suicides. There're all kind of strange suicides. No coincidence is too far fetched, they happen all the time. No coincidence is too far fetched, they happen all the time. Mature people know that. Mature people know that. Drink the koolaid. Drink the koolaid. Feel better now? Feel better now?

Roger Craig's, suicide, own words:
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/WTKaP.html
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 05:27 PM
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228. Have we got to Bambi's mother yet ?
:shrug:
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 04:08 AM
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233. K&R
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xyouth Donating Member (165 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 09:52 AM
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234. Costas Tsalikidis, Asamo Bove, NSA Whistleblowers

Costas Tsalikidis NSA whistle blower hung in hotel room?

Adamo Bove NSA whistle blower jumped off overpass?


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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 10:35 AM
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236. A lot of that going around eh?
Sure hope it is not catching... Would make a great movie if someone did some research on these people, their lives, the roles they played, and what really happened to them at the end....
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 10:52 AM
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238. I'm sure someone has mentioned Hunter Thompson.
n/t
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 10:53 AM
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239. Paul Wellstone
n/t
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aldo Donating Member (297 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:46 PM
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244. Dan Wallace, son of NYFD fire fighter killed on 9/11 & 9/11 truthseeker
Like Cindy Sheehan, Dan Wallace would have been a voice of such unchallenged authenticity that he couln't have been ignored. Maybe "they" learned their lesson from Cindy and decided not to let that happen again. http://www.911blogger.com/node/5861
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Sweet Pea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 02:58 PM
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245. Druyun?
Unless I missed something, she is still alive.
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T Monk Donating Member (271 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 03:53 PM
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246. dorothy kilgallen columnist NY Sun over Kennedy allegations
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whoshaq08 Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 01:36 PM
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247. Microbiologists death List is Staggering!
Dead microbiologist: "Dr. Robert Schwartz, 57, was stabbed and slashed with what police believe was a sword in his farmhouse in Leesberg, Va. Washington Post, 12/12/01

Dead microbiologist: Dr. Don Wiley, 57, disappears during a business trip to Memphis, Tennessee.

Dead microbiologist: Nguyen Van Set, 44, dies in an airlock filled with nitrogen in his lab in Geelong, Australia Globe and Mail, 5/4/02]


Two dead microbiologists: Ivan Glebov and Alexi Brushlinski. Pravda reports that Glebov died as the result of a bandit attack and reports without explanation that Brushlinski was killed in Moscow



Dead microbiologist: Victor Korshunov, 56, is bashed over the head and killed at the entrance of his home in Moscow, Russia Pravda, 2/9/02, Globe and Mail, 5/4/02]

Dead microbiologist: Dr. Ian Langford, 40, is found dead, partially naked and wedged under a chair in his home in Norwich, England.

Two dead microbiologists in San Francisco: While taking delivery of a pizza, Tanya Holzmayer, 46, is shot and killed by a colleague, Guyang Huang, 38, who then apparently shot himself

Three more dead microbiologists: A Swissair flight from Berlin to Zurich crashes during its landing approach; 22 are killed and nine survive. Among those killed are Dr. Yaakov Matzner, 54, dean of the Hebrew University school of medicine; Amiramp Eldor, 59, head of the haematology department at Ichilov Hospital in Tel Aviv and a world-recognized expert in blood clotting; and Avishai Berkman, 50, director of the Tel Aviv public health department and businessman.

Dead microbiologist: David Wynn-Williams, 55, is hit by a car while jogging near his home in Cambridge, England.

Dead microbiologist: Steven Mostow, 63, dies when the airplane he was piloting crashes near Denver, Colorado.

Memphis, Tennessee, medical examiner O.C. Smith is attacked with chemical spray, bound with barbed wire, and left lying in a nearby parking lot with a bomb tied to his body. He is rescued several hours later. In recent months, Smith has been working on two interesting cases.


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MinM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 09:12 AM
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260. Bruce E. Ivins
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 02:16 PM
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248. The Clinton death list
The following is a partial list of deaths of persons connected to President Clinton during his tenure as Governor of Arkansas and/or while President of the United States and thereafter. Read the list and judge for yourself.

BARBARA OLSON - Author of "Hell to Pay" - a book critical of Hillary Clinton, killed in the Pentagon bombing.

DARLENE NOVINGER - Former FBI operative, January 23rd, 2003. Novinger was known to hold sensitive information on the Clinton and Bush I administration's drug operations. Her husband murdered March 1987 when she went public with initial reports. Her father died July 8, 1993 four hours after Darlene was a guest on the Tom Valentine show. Suffered retaliation after reporting discussions by government protected drug smuggler who described contacts with Vice President George Bush and his son, Jeb Bush.

DAN MULLONEY, a television news photographer who shot footage of the 1993 Branch Davidian siege.

CHARLES RUFF - White House Counsel and Clinton defense attorney during the Monica Lewinsky scandal and the impeachment trial. Of apparent natural causes.

JAMES MCDOUGAL - Clinton's convicted Whitewater partner died of an apparent heart attack, while in solitary confinement. McDougal was a key witness in Kenneth Starr's investigation.

MARY MAHONEY - A former White House intern was murdered July 6, 1997 at a Starbucks Coffee Shop in Georgetown. The murder happened during the pre-trial publicity surrounding the Paula Jones lawsuit days after Newsweek's Mike Isakoff dropped hints that a former White House staffer was about to go public with her story of sexual harassment in the White House.

VINCENT FOSTER - Former White House counselor, and former colleague of Hillary Clinton at Little Rock's Rose law firm. Foster was found dead July 20, 1993 of a gunshot to the head ruled a suicide. Rumours were that Foster and Hillary had an affair.

RON BROWN - Secretary of Commerce and former DNC Chairman. Reported to have died by impact in a plane crash. A pathologist close to the investigation reported to the Bob Grant Radio Show a hole in top of Brown's skull resembling a gunshot wound. At the time of his death Brown was being investigated, and spoke publicly of his willingness to cut a deal with prosecutors.

C. VICTOR RAISER II - Former National finance Co-Chairman, Clinton for President Campaign and son MONTGOMERY RAISER died in a private plane crash in Alaska, July 30th,1992. Raiser was described as a major player in the Clinton organization by Dee Dee Meyers.

JEREMY "MIKE" BOORDA, President Clinton's former Chief of Naval Operations allegedly committed suicide by shooting himself in the chest with a .38 caliber pistol on his front lawn in May 1996. The unauthorized wearing of valor pins was the alleged reasoning behind the suicide. By 1998 this reasoning was proved false after the Navy issued a report that said Boorda earned the right to wear the pins afterall.

PAUL TULLEY - Democrat National Committee Political Director found dead in a hotel room in Little Rock, Arkansas September 24, 1992, Described by Clinton as a "Dear friend and trusted advisor".

ED WILLEY - Clinton fund raiser-found dead November 30, 1993 deep in the woods in Virginia of a gunshot wound to the head. Ruled a suicide, Willey died on the same day his wife Kathleen Willey claimed that Bill Clinton groped her in the oval office in the White House. Ed Willey was involved in several Clinton fund raising events.

JERRY PARKS - Head of Clinton's gubernatorial security team in Little Rock. Gunned down in his car at a deserted intersection outside Little Rock. Parks' son said his father was building a dossier on Clinton. He allegedly threatened to reveal this information. After he died the files were mysteriously removed from his house

JAMES BUNCH - Died from a gunshot wound. Reported to have a black book of people containing names of influential people who visited prostitutes in Texas and Arkansas.

JAMES WILSON - Was found dead by hanging May 18, 1993. Was reported to have ties to Whitewater.

KATHY FERGUSON - Ex-wife of Arkansas Trooper Danny Ferguson died in May,1994 was found dead in her living room with a gunshot wound to her head. It was ruled a suicide even though there were several packed suitcases, as if she was going somewhere. Danny Ferguson was a co-defendant along with Bill Clinton in the Paula Corbin Jones lawsuit. She was reported a possible corroborating witness for Paula Jones case.

BILL SHELTON - Arkansas state Trooper and Fiancee of Kathy Ferguson.Critical of the suicide ruling of his fiancee, he was found dead in June, 1994 of a gunshot wound also ruled a suicide at the grave site of his fiancee.

GANDY BAUGH - Attorney for Clinton friend Dan Lassater died by falling out a window of a tall building January, 1991. His client was a convicted drug distributor.

FLORENCE MARTIN - Accountant subcontractor for the CIA related to the Barry Seal Mena Airport drug smuggling case. Dead of three gunshot wounds.

SUZANNE COLEMAN - Reportedly had an affair with Clinton when he was Arkansas Attorney General. Died of a gunshot wound to back of head, ruled a suicide, was pregnant at the time her death.

PAULA GROBER - Clinton's speech interpreter for the deaf from 1978 until her death December 9, 1992. She died in a one car accident.

DANNY CASOLARO - Investigative reporter, investigating Mena airport and Arkansas Development Finance Authority. Found dead with slit his wrists in the middle of his investigation.

PAUL WILCHER - Attorney investigating corruption at Mena Airport with Casolaro and the 1980 "October Surprise" was found dead on a toilet June 22, 1993 in his Washington DC Apartment. Had delivered report to Janet Reno 3 weeks before his death.

JON PARNELL WALKER - Whitewater Investigator for Resolution Trust Corporation. Fell to his death from his Arlington, Virginia apartment balcony August 15, 1993. Was investigating Morgan Guarantee scandal.

BARBARA WISE - Commerce Department Staffer, worked closely with Ron Brown and John Huang. Cause of death unknown. Died November 29, 1996. Her bruised nude body was found locked in her office at the Department of Commerce.

CHARLES MEISSNER - Assistant Secretary of Commerce who gave John Huang special security clearance, died shortly thereafter in a small plane crash.

DR.STANLEY HEARD - Chair National Chiropractic Heath Care Advisory committee died with his attorney.

STEVE DICKSON - Died in a small plane crash. Heard, in addition to serving on Clinton's advisory council personally treated Clinton's mother, stepfather and brother.

BARRY SEAL - Drug running pilot out of Mena, Arkansas. Death was no accident.

JOHNNY LAWHORN Jr. - Mechanic, found a check made out to Clinton in the trunk of a car left in his repair shop. Died when his car hit a utility pole.

STANLEY MUGGINS - Suicide. Investigated Madison Guarantee. His report was never released.

HERSHELL FRIDAY - Attorney and Clinton fund raiser died March 1, 1994 when his plane exploded.

KEVIN IVES and DON HENRY - Known as "The boys on the track" case. Reports say the boys may have stumbled upon the Mena Arkansas Airport Drug operation. This controversial case where initial report of death was due to falling asleep on railroad track. Later reports claim the two had been slain before being placed on the tracks. Many people linked to the case died (see below) before their testimony could come before a Grand Jury.

THE FOLLOWING SIX PERSONS HAD INFORMATION ON THE IVES/HENRY CASE:

KEITH CONEY - Died when his motorcycle slammed into the back of a truck in July, 1988.
KEITH McMASKLE - Died, stabbed 113 times, November 1988.
GREGORY COLLINS - Died from a gunshot wound, January 1989.
JEFF RHODES - He was shot, mutilated and found burned in a trash dump in April 1989.
JAMES MILAN. Found decapitated-Coroner ruled death due to natural causes.
JORDAN KETTLESON - Was found shot to death in the front seat of his pickup truck in June 1990.
RICHARD WINTERS - Winters was a suspect in the Ives/Henry deaths. Was killed in set-up robbery in July 1989.

THE FOLLOWING FORMER CLINTON BODYGUARDS ARE DEAD:
- MAJOR WILLIAM S. BARKLEY JR.
- CAPTAIN SCOTT J.REYNOLDS
- SGT. BRIAN HANEY
- SGT. TIM SABEL
- MAJOR GENERAL WILLIAM ROBERTSON
- COL. WILLIAM DENSBERGER
- COL. ROBERT KELLY
- SPEC. GARY RHODES
- STEVE WILLIS
- ROBERT WILLIAMS
- CONWAY LeBLEU
- TODD McKEEHAN

And finally, BUDDY, the Presidential Dog, killed when he was struck by a car after having escaped his kennel.
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 02:23 PM
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249. I hope some don't miss your point.
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davekriss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 09:06 PM
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251. Classic lines from the Godfather
I think Coppolla's comments on American governance have weight when he has Michael say to Kay, in the Godfather (1972):

Michael: I'm working for my father now. He's been sick, very sick.
Kay: But you're not like him, Michael. I thought you weren't going to become a man like your father. That's what you told me.
Michael: My father's no different than any other powerful man (Kay laughs), any man who's responsible for other people. Like a senator or a president.
Kay: You know how naive you sound?
Michael: Why?
Kay: Senators and presidents don't have men killed.

Michael: Oh, who's being naive, Kay?
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 07:24 AM
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252. Funny they don't even touch the Truthers, who are spilling the beans on the whole plot every day!
Edited on Sat May-24-08 07:25 AM by Perry Logan
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aldo Donating Member (297 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 04:18 PM
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253. Are you kidding, they can't risk waking up the sheeple
Edited on Tue May-27-08 04:19 PM by aldo
The New Totalitarianism is much more scientific than that. Huxley, from the Preface to Brave New World:

"...There is, of course, no reason why the new totalitarianism should resemble the old. Government by clubs and firing squads, by artificial famine, mass imprisonment and mass deportation, is not merely inhumane (nobody cares much about that nowadays); it is demonstrably inefficient, and in an age of advanced technology, inefficiency is the sin against the Holy Ghost. A really efficient totalitarian state would be one in which the all-powerful executive of political bosses and their army of managers control a population of slaves who do not have to be coerced because they love their servitude. To make them love it is the task assigned in present-day totalitarian states to ministries of propaganda. The most important Manhattan Projects of the future will be vast government-sponsored enquiries into what the politicians and participating scientists will call "The problem of happiness" --- in other words the problem of making people love their servitude ... The love of servitude cannot be established except as the result of a deep personal revolution in human minds and bodies."

Do you think they really care about internet conspiracy hobbyists? As long as we are low key and don't have the audience of a Hunter Thompson we should be OK. So here's the plan, keep working quietly tilling the fields, planting the seeds of truth. When the grapes of wrath are ripe it will be too late for the fascists and their bootlickers to do anything.
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 11:58 PM
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255. Add Dr. David Graham....
It seems that this man's death may be related.
Dr. David Graham found a 911 Hijacker after 911 - Murdered

Also see if this link works for you. It seems to have been deleted but not sure if it's my puter.
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Make7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 01:01 AM
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256. That link went to an empty page, but it is in Google's cache.
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 11:34 AM
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257. Thank you Make7. nt
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Grateful for Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 05:45 PM
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258. He has considerable
computer skills, doesn't he, wildbill? Impressive.
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 09:31 PM
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259. yes, he does alright I guess....
:hi:
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david_watts Donating Member (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 03:14 PM
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263. Thanks for the list.
Thanks for the list.
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