List of Suicides by whistle blowers or those that knew things

[Ichingcarpenter]

1 DC Madame....: had clients with the Pentagon and Govt

2 Lt. Col. Marshall A. Gutierrez Iraqi/Kuwait procurement officer: http://iraq.pigstye.net/article.php/GutierrezMarshallA

3 Abdulrahman,US citizen, contractor whistle-blower: http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/?ndmView...


4 Charles D. Riechers - Air Force- Ret. d: 10/07 suicide Boeing Tanker Deal: Still no autopsy report:
http://www.af.mil/bios/bio.asp?bioID=9396

5 Col. Theodore S. Westhusing
General Dave Petraeus: http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/77313 /


6 Maj. Gen. Joseph Fil {re Westhusing letter to Maj. Gen. Fil on May 28, 2005],: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodore_S._Westhusing


7 Darleen Druyun , http://www.govexec.com/dailyfed/1004/100104g1.htm

8 Brandy Britton who worked for the DC madam : http://www.examiner.com/a-714063~Accused_D_C__madam__Br...

9 Clifford Baxter, Enron executive: http://archives.cnn.com/2002/US/01/25/enron.suicide/ind...

10. David Kelly, British Weapons Expert on WMDs : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Kelly


11. James Hatfield, wrote book on George Bush and his crimes : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Hatfield


12 Gary Webb, a prize-winning American investigative journalist, on Iran Contra http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Webb

13 Margie Schoedinger (1965?-2003) was an American woman who filed a civil suit against former Texas governor and current U.S. President George W. Bush in 2002, alleging that Bush had sexually assaulted her.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margie_Schoedinger

[PDJane]

1. lots of self-inflicted gunshot wounds around

the BFFE. It's interesting.

[L. Coyote]

141. Gary Webb, suicide by two gunshot wounds to the head. Yeah, right!!

[PDJane]

147. That was one I was thinking of.....

There were a couple of others.

[seemslikeadream]

2. Cliff Baxter

[Median Democrat]

11. Enron's - Clifford Baxter Is A Good One

Clifford had just been subpoenaed to testify in the Enron case, when he was found dead of an apparent suicide. The amazing thing about these stories is that on the day of the death, the news stories conclude it is suicide, rather than simply saying that they were found dead. For example, Heath Ledger was found dead, but Baxter's death already had the cause of death.

http://archives.cnn.com/2002/US/01/25/enron.suicide/ind...

[Ichingcarpenter]

15. added n/t

[rambler_american]

122. Who uses rat shot to off themselves?

Asked why he couldn't rule out murder, Wagner said, "because murder can be made to look like a suicide. ... Someone who is knowledgeable about forensics can very well have the ability to stage a murder, commit a murder and stage it to look as if it was a suicide, understanding what the police are going to be looking for."

The experts found several things highly unusual. First the peculiar ammunition: not regular bullets but something called "rat-shot".

"This kind of ammunition cannot be easily or readily traced back to the gun from which it was fired," explained Wecht.

"It's not as frequently used by people for any reason. It's not the type of ammunition one finds in guns - it has a specific purpose: shooting at snakes and rodents in order to get a distribution pattern of the small pellets contained within the nose portion of the bullet. It's not something that a person is likely to have and to use if they intended to kill themselves," said Wecht.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/04/10/eveningnews/m...

Rat shot, used to eliminate rats and snakes and has the added advantage that it is not traceable. Sends a clear message to other would be whistle blowers.

[The Backlash Cometh]

129. Especially when you have a local diddley-wink doing the autopsy,

it would be easy to pull a fast one.

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[lazyriver]

126. Interesting observation about the quick conclusions of

suicide in these cases.

[Pacifist Patriot]

144. I've noticed it too. I don't have the time to do it, but I'd love to see that confirmed...

with a list of original early report headlines.

[Dr Fate]

3. All just happy coincidences I tellzya!

Stop watching so much "X-Files"- RATIONAL, moderate, measured people believe that EVERYTHING is just a happy coincidence.

[havocmom]

4. K&R

[Demeter]

5. All the Brits From the Downing Street Memos and Other Iraq Nonsense

[Ichingcarpenter]

8. Can you add that name to the list?

There was also a woman soldier in Afghanistan who told her family
that if she committed suicide it was murder, I can't find her story right now.

[Seen the light]

6. I will maintain to the day I die that Paul Wellstone was murdered nt

[seemslikeadream]

9. me too

[Ichingcarpenter]

21. Me too, but I'm only doing suicides n/t

[mopinko]

96. yeah, small plane crashes is a whoooooole nother thread.

a long one, too.

[rambler_american]

123. Anybody have a list

of Republicans that have died in small plane crashes? Or committed "suicide"? Or simply the victim of assassination? I'm guessing it's a short list.

[liberal N proud]

134. I would include Missouri Gov. Mel Carnahan in that list

He was running against Ashecroft in 2000 when his plane crashed. He beat Ashecroft anyway and his widow Jean took his seat.

IMO: That is why Ashecroft was given the AG spot in the bu$h regime

[L. Coyote]

142. Hale Boggs questioned Warren Comm. = Died in plane crash in Alaska

States News Service
August 7, 1992, Friday
LENGTH: 489 words
Fresh Controversy Surrounds Boggs' Plane Crash
Brian Baron - http://www.guerrillacampaign.com/boggs.htm

August 7, 1992

Fresh controversy surrounds a mysterious 20-year-old plane crash that killed former Louisiana Congressman Hale Boggs.

New information obtained through an FBI report this week revealed that a tip concerning the location of the downed plane may never have been pursued. The plane disappeared on Oct. 16, 1972, near the Malaspina Glacier.

Despite the new development, however, Alaska State Troopers Friday said they will not mount a renewed effort to find the wreckage of the Cessna-310 that carried Boggs, the former House Majority Leader, and an Alaska congressman, Nick Begich.

Col. John Murphy, director of the troopers, said it would be nearly impossible to find the plane.

"We have taken the time necessary to research the new information received and to review old files, but have determined that to search the coordinate indicated from the radio tracking almost 20 years prior would have negligible results," Murphy said in a statement.

Begich, Boggs, and two others were flying from Anchorage to Juneau when their plane disappeared in a storm near the Malaspina Glacier. The plane was never found despite an intensive search.
A Washington, D.C. newspaper, Roll Call, through a Freedom Of Information Act request, found the existence of the FBI report and questioned whether anyone followed up on the lead immediately following the plane's disappearance.

[L. Coyote]

143. Boggs called for resignation of J. Edgar Hoover, reopening Warren Commission.

Dr. Nick Begich
June 19, 2001 - http://www.earthpulse.com/products/Disappearance/letter...

Dear Earthpulse Friends:

On Tuesday, June 26, The History Channel will air a one-hour History's Mysteries segment called Alaska's Bermuda Triangle. It explores the disappearance of my father, Congressman Nick Begich, Sr., and the late Majority leader of the U.S. House of Representatives, Hale Boggs of Louisiana. The plane they were traveling in disappeared on a flight from Anchorage to Juneau on Oct. 16, 1972. The most massive air search ever undertaken in the history of the world did not find any trace of the plane. This was just weeks before the Watergate story. Inquiries about CIA misuse of power were being made and a number of other significant international questions were being addressed in Washington. ....

Twenty years later, in 1992, a Freedom of Information Act Request by Roll Call Magazine unearthed an FBI telex indicating that the plane was located and never retrieved. Information obtained by a government verified source described the location of the plane and stated that there were two survivors shortly after the plane disappeared. The information indicated an undisclosed "firm" involved in testing advanced surveillance equipment had located the crash. The informant had a military background, according to the FBI document obtained by Roll Call. The FBI telex was sent to the Washington, D.C. FBI headquarters where it was presumably passed to the Acting Director, L. Patrick Gray. The previous director, J. Edgar Hoover, had been in a significant conflict with Boggs, who called for his resignation on the floor of the Congress. Boggs was one of the most powerful people in the country at a time when misuse of power was just beginning to be seen, culminating in the resignation of the President of the United States Richard Nixon. A good deal remains untold from this period of the country's history and perhaps my father's story being released will compel someone to come forward with the rest of the story.

Some of the other interesting points surrounding the disappearance include the fact that Boggs was taken to the airport for the first leg of the trip by a young democrat named Bill Clinton .... Boggs was also on the Warren Commission and had some interest in reopening the investigation. My father had just completed his first Congressional term and as a freshman had engineered the biggest cash and land transfer to native Americans in the history of the United States, over 44 million acres and nearly $1 billion was transferred. This transfer and "settlement" was needed for establishing a clear title for the right-of-way of the Trans-Alaska pipeline which was then built supplying 25% of US oil for much of the time since its completion.

Things seem to run in cycles and it is interesting when I look at my family's work in Alaska and the work which we are doing now as a result of these early encounters with government. I had always suspected that there was more to my father's death than was revealed in past years. Time does reveal the truth and it seems that conspiracies can appear to be fact through strange coincidence or may actually be of sinister design. Sometimes it is difficult to determine which it is.. We have posted the FBI documents and part of the story on our website: www.earthpulse.com

[L. Coyote]

149. Boggs Tells House of Tap on Phone

Boggs Tells House of Tap on Phone
By JOHN W. FINNEYS pecial to The New York Times
April 23, 1971, Friday
Page 24, 815 words - http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F00D17F...

WASHINGTON, April 22 -- Representative Hale Boggs, defending his charge that the Federal Bureau of Investigation has been tapping the telephones of members of Congress, told the House today that the telephone line of his private home was tapped in 1970. ......

[Raster]

79. So will I. Wellstone was the one thing cheney*/bush* morbidly feared...

...an honest person in Congress!

[barbtries]

118. i thought that was common knowledge

like jfk, rfk, mlk...murdered

[Echo In Light]

119. Agreed

[defendandprotect]

162. Of course and he's simply another in our long history of political assassinations ---

[Uncle Joe]

7. Apparently Gary Webb committed suicide by shooting him self in the head twice.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

[EOTE]

10. Don't forget James Hatfield. NT

[Ichingcarpenter]

13. added n/t

[EOTE]

14. And David Kelly NT

[Rosa Luxemburg]

262. and Ivins

[spin]

12. It might be very interesting if the DC madam had made a list...

of her clients that would surface only after her "suicide".

Unfortunately, she might not have had the foresight to have that "insurance policy".

[RaleighNCDUer]

18. She was too smart not to -

unfortunately, this would be an indication that they located it.

[spin]

41. Unfortunately you're probably right (nt)

[HillbillyBob]

261. I had kind of figured ''they'' had found it prior to ''suiciding'' her

nt

[AntiFascist]

156. They interviewed her British biographer on CNN yesterday...

she sounded very nervous, but described how the DC Madam believed that there was a conspiracy singling her out above all other DC escort services. Her nervousness became noticeable when she began to claim that the DC Madam must have gone crazy under the pressure, and of course this would explain why she committed suicide.

On edit: she also stressed how the list should not have been made public and whoever had been exposed to it would probably not disclose more details.

[defendandprotect]

163. This new violence, I'm sure, will serve to intimidate anyone with info . . .

[nashville_brook]

217. i can totally put myself in the shoes of someone whose career is "biographer" which is usually

spent with nose in books, alone, smoking ciggies and compiling facts. you'd feel so unsafe with just the first threatening phone call. and it would all seem immediately less controversial -- important men, big government interests controlling/operating in the world of convert action -- yeah, i wouldn't want to rock that boat, either.

[smoogatz]

16. David Kelly

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Kelly

I'm guessing the common denominator in every case is Cheney, or someone connected to him.

[Stinky The Clown]

17. Colby's always been troubing to me, too.

http://www.cnn.com/US/9604/29/colby.10pm /

A friend of mine kept his boat right next to the slip Colby used. No way this was an 'accident'. Bodies don't go 'unfound' in the Wicomico River.

[MinM]

25. Colby case was very similar to Kelly's

They were both working at their home computers -- then they're outside minutes later meeting their untimely demise.

[MinM]

27. Brandy Britton

Brandy Britton with her attorneys William Blackford and Chris Flohr.

[Stinky The Clown]

32. She lived, literally, a stone's throw from me .....

.... in the next housing development.

[nashville_brook]

67. Colby had confirmed the Franklin Sex-Slave accusations made in the Cospiracy of Silence documentary

although as DCI he would have accrued many enemies and secrets i would imagine.

[defendandprotect]

166. You rarely hear anything about the Franklin Case . . .

though there is still some info on the internet about it, last time I checked.

He was "DCI" . . . ???

[nashville_brook]

188. director of central intelligence, yeah. here's the wiki on his death...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Colby

Theories about death

Although the inquest into Colby's death found he had died of natural causes, there were some suspicious circumstances: he rarely went canoeing at night; he had not spoken to his wife of any plans to go canoeing; his house was unlocked, with the radio and computer on and the remains of a meal on the table; there was no sign of the life-jacket his friends said he usually wore; and his body was found approximately 20 yards from the canoe (itself found 100 yards from the house) after the area had been thoroughly searched several times. Some allegations that Colby was murdered have been made:

* Dr. Deko Dekov asserts that the former FBI Director Louis Freeh killed Colby. <1>

* Dr. Steven Greer, alleges that the U.S. government killed Colby because of his knowledge of extraterrestrial technology.<4>

* Kay Griggs, ex-wife of United States Marine Corps Colonel George Griggs, has alleged that Colby was murdered.<5>

* John DeCamp, who claims to have been a close friend of Colby, has stated in his book, The Franklin Coverup, that Colby was murdered because he knew too much about corruption in US politics.<6>

[nashville_brook]

194. for a long time i followed

the writing of people interested in the Franklin Case. it wasn't ever one of my own interests, but i really liked the writing of these folks who were connecting the dots -- and it's something i wouldn't have pursued on my own were it not for their writing.

do you remember when Bush Jr went in front of the UN right after 911 ostensibly to ask for the world's assistance in fighting terra? oddly, he spent the last portion of his speech talking about human trafficking -- issuing what seemed to be threats to countries involved in HT if they didn't pitch in with the GWOT. i remember watching this live and thinking, that's just too random. why is he talking about human sex slaves during his BIG PITCH for the war on terra.

[merh]

19. what was the name of the investigative reporter that allegedly

killed himself in his hotel room just before his daughter's wedding?

He was investigating the election theft?

[moodforaday]

58. Raymond Lemme?

Some info:

The Big Fix
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article8484.ht...

[merh]

61. that's the one

thank you

[defendandprotect]

168. Never heard of that one -- !!! Thanks for the info!

Read half of it and saved ---

[vanboggie]

254. Good summary

Thank you for that link. That article certainly sums up the coup well. I just saved a copy, too. The web is the only thing the BFEE didn't take into consideration, and it is just a matter of time before all truth is scrubbed from the internet.

[yodermon]

20. I will be vilified, but I would like to ad Margie Schoedinger for consideration. n/t

[RaleighNCDUer]

47. Vilified? Not by most, if any, here. nt

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

22. 3 of Jessica Lynch's "rescuers" died under mysterious circumstances.

Paul Wellstone
Wouldn't leave out Mel Carnahan either
Shrub's partner in his oil company, Salem Bin Laden..mysterious plane crash

[Ichingcarpenter]

23. Just doing suicides not accidents right now but highly suspicious deaths

for sure and I think it should be included in the thread but please give links

Links help!

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

28. Links...here you go.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/West/10/22/iraq.marine.ap/in...
Marine who helped in Lynch rescue killed at family barbecue

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
Iraq war veteran killed in Highway 11 wreck (Jessica Lynch witness!)

http://www.arlingtoncemetery.net/dmtapper.htm

Tapper, 32, died there Wednesday while conducting combat operations in a lawless province near the Pakistani border - an area where the military believes the terrorists are operating.

Friends here said Tapper was shot in the back during an ambush. He died later at a hospital at Bagram Air Base, the Navy said.

[RaleighNCDUer]

49. Re: Salem bin Laden

It does give you an idea as to maybe why Osama bin Laden has a vendetta against the Bush family.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

59. I don't know about that.

Papa Bush was VP under Rayguns and I believe was behind millions of dollars to Osama when he was with the Muhadjeen. Papa Bush was already comfy with the Bin Laden clan back then. I believe that was after Arbusto went busto.

[TomClash]

24. We should begin at the beginning

with James Forrestal,

[defendandprotect]

170. Hard to know if James Forestal is even the beginning . . . ????

but points back to another of the many issues we are NOT dealing with in America ---

[TomClash]

177. Good point and well done nt

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[Ichingcarpenter]

29. Pat Tillman friendly fire

not a suicide but still one for the books:http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_di...

[HCE SuiGeneris]

30. Paul Sanford

http://board.columbiatribune.com/index.php?showtopic=17...

Story has been scrubbed by the Monterey Herald...

Lawyer falls to death at hotel
Seaside: Police suspect Paul Sanford committed suicide

By JULIA REYNOLDS
Herald Staff Writer

In what police describe as a "probable" suicide leap, a prominent Monterey Bay Area attorney fell at least nine floors to his death at the Embassy Suites Hotel Monterey Bay in Seaside the morning before Christmas.

Shortly before 9:30 a.m. Sunday, officers found the body of Aptos attorney Paul Sanford in the west end of the hotel lobby, where he had landed on a large ventilation grate.

Police Capt. Steve Cercone said horrified guests were eating breakfast in the atrium at the time, and a number of witnesses saw Sanford fall from somewhere between the 9th and 12th floors.

"I'm at a loss for words," said Sanford's friend and business associate, Monterey attorney Shawn Mills. "Paul really had his fingers in a lot of different pies. He was from the East Coast, and I used to call him our 'West Coast Kennedy.'"
http://board.columbiatribune.com/index.php?showtopic=17...

[defendandprotect]

172. I remember Paul Sanford vaguely and something of his work . . .

but never heard about his fall to his death from a hotel --- !!!

Thanks ---

[FreepFryer]

31. I always thought Hunter S. Thompson would have committed suicide-by-cop.

The circumstances of his reported suicide never left me fully convinced...

[Ichingcarpenter]

33. I don't think so

His family knew he was gonna go out that way.

[ogsbee]

182. What family was this, the hot young wife of the broken down old boozer?

Who said she was on the line when he committed suicide. All we have is her word and we know nothing about her. There was apparently a fair amount of gunfire on his property - his son said he was shooting into the sky in rage and denial later. Maybe. In a situation like that I would say what I was told to say - that's another maybe.

[Echo In Light]

120. A story quickly circulated that he was working on a 9/11 inside job piece

Whether true or not - I never seriously attempted to verify the claim - it was understood that even much earlier in his life, Hunter was, as most of us are, a conflicted individual, and for him, the notion of suicide being an option, an "out" from being "Hunter Thompson," the mythic figure, versus the real man.

[L. Coyote]

146. He was working Election 2004, just like Gary Webb.

[defendandprotect]

173. Meanwhile, I think unusual that we don't have books busting 9/11 and elections . . .

We do have Greg Palast --- but he's staying out of the country, mostly ---

Noam Chomsky --- of all people!! -- rushed in with a book tsk-tsk-ing 9/11 conspiracy theories!!!

What's that all about Chomsky???

Odd ---

[ogsbee]

181. Chomsky = disinfo spook

He's a real radical until the subject gets to the most sensitive governmental crimes and then he follows the official story exactly. Many progressives then follow him from the truth into the lies. That's his job, CIA pied piper.

[defendandprotect]

219. see reply below

[davekriss]

250. Nonsense (nt)

[nashville_brook]

185. being known for "Manufactured Consent," his 911 tome was a head-scratcher, also

he recently said something about the wonderfulness of suburbs that makes me wonder if he hasn't completely lost his mind.

-- to add --

regarding 911, i think there's plenty to talk about that is non-controversial, that touches on the "manufacture of consent." of all that's criticized in 911 truthdom, the propagandizing (to me) is the least problematic angle. so, it's just fooooked-up that he went to the dark side on this.

[defendandprotect]

221. Yes . . . agree . . .

ogsbee and nashville_brook --

-- In order to make any sense of this, I think of Collin Andrews who first investigated the Crop Circles . . . he made clear that he was approached a few years ago by the CIA, who at first offered him money -- a million -- and fame if he stopped the research line he was following. And, finally, in response to his "No's" . . they said that he could be sure that one way or another he'd eventually be doing what they wanted. These were real threats to him over a period of time. Notice the crop circle
investigations got shut down --- after "Doug 'n Dave" fantasy, they closed the farms to inspection/
observation by tourists, etal ---

Intimidated the farmers ---

Soo--Chomsky has done them a lot of damage --- I applaud him for that ---
who knows what's going on but I think we're all suspicious of what he produced on 9/11.

Keep watching and informing --- thanks!!

[nashville_brook]

223. what an interesting character Collins is. have you seen his wiki? no mention of crop circles.

punk rock, tibetan buddhism and alchemy. <swooon>

(on edit -- HA! this is the wrong one...wiki gave me "andrew collins, not collin andrews! i'm leaving it, b/c it's too funny -- brook)

____________________

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Collins_%28author%2...

Andrew Collins (b. 1957) is an author with an interest in the paranormal.

After an uneventful school career, in which he was banned from taking the English O-level exam because of his poor writing ability, Collins eagerly accepted a position working as an export shipping clerk in London. His childhood interest in the mysteries of life eventually led to him becoming a UFO investigator, whereby he would visit witnesses to strange phenomena and then file reports with national organisations. In 1976 he became a familiar figure in the embryonic punk movement, forming his own band and going to gigs with the likes of novelist and NME writer Tony Parsons and Irish pal Shane McGowan, who went on to form legendary Irish folk-rock band The Pogues. At the same time, collins continued to investigate UFO cases, including the now famous Aveley abduction, the first full-blown time-loss UFO experience ever reported on British soil. It brought him into contact with psychologist and writer Graham Phillips, who was then working as a parapsychologist studying the psychological profile of witnesses to the paranormal.

Collins chucked in the prospect of a musical career in favour of becoming a staff writer alongside Phillips on the magazine Strange Phenomena. In October 1979, Collins and Phillips became embroiled in a historical drama, which would be remembered as the Green Stone affair -- an event that would kick-start the rebirth of psychic questing in the modern era.

In Tibetan Buddhism there is an ancient tradition of spiritual treasure hunting which focuses on the recovery of termas, which is a direct equivalent of modern psychic questing. A monk who becomes involved in Terma hunting is known as a Terton. However, similar methods of discovery have been used for thousands of years and there are many recorded instances of holy men or women being inspired to find hidden relics (e.g. Joan of Arc), occultists using necromancy to find buried treasure (e.g. John Dee and Edward Kelley) and psychics being brought in to uncover archaeological remains (e.g. Frederick Bligh Bond's excavations of Glastonbury Abbey).

Andrew went on to write and publish various books and booklets on psychic questing, local history and the earth mysteries whilst also making himself something of a name as an occult maverick. He eventually hit it big with his ground-breaking tome From the Ashes of Angels (1996), the culmination of five years' work on the Grigori and Nephilim with the help of his friend and colleague Richard Ward. This book ditched the previous mix of historical fact and psychic information that had become his trademark and replaced it with a kind of speculative historical perspective. Since then he has written five further books that are intended to challenge the way many view the past.

His latest book, The Cygnus Mystery (2004), marks a new level of interest in his work with it claim that cosmic rays from the Cygnus constellation helped kickstart religion and even civilization at the end of the last Ice Age. However, it is the The Black Alchemist (1989) that has inspired a generation of occultists. The identity of the Black Alchemist remains a topic of considerable debate in magical circles in the UK, though Collins has been quiet on the subject for during the last few years.

The Black Alchemist also featured as a major character - the bad guy - in the 50th Anniversary issue of DC Comics' The Green Arrow back in 1991. It was written mainly by TV and film actor Mark Ryan, whom Collins met when he was playing the role of Nazir the Moor in screenwriter Richard Carpenter's 1980s TV series Robin of Sherwood.

Collins has also worked closely with gothic band Fields of the Nephilim, having become friends with its frontman Carl McCoy back in the late 1980s. Collins was involved in creating the band's website, and recently he worked with McCoy on an article cum interview for AOS - A Celebration, a book published on 14th May 2006 to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the death of artist and occultist Austin Osman Spare. Other contributors including Alan Moore.

Collins remains a colourful and controversial figure. He has been satirised as the character Danbury Collins in books written by Robert Rankin. Rankin thought he had successfully hoaxed Collins over alleged sightings of a Griffin in the Brentford area in the 1980s, but the last laugh was when the cosmic joker produced a real sighting of the elusive beast, as is detailed in Collins's booklet "The Brentford Griffin". This is Collins's only real fortean work to date.

Collins lectures worldwide, and is the organiser of the annual Questing Conference, one of Britain's most popular annual events on revisionist history, forbidden archaeology and ancient mysteries. He lives in Essex with his wife Sue.

[defendandprotect]

229. Hell of guy your Andrew Collins . . . I didn't know the British

had that much investigation activity on UFO's . . .

Anyway here's something on Collin Andrews --- but if you notice we're unclear on whether his first name has one or two "l's" . . and on this website it's done both ways! Look at the book ....

http://theufostore.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PRO...

I didn't know he had done this book --- I'm going to check it out at Amazon.
His first book - Circular Evidence --- has lots of really beautiful photos of the crop circles.

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[Ichingcarpenter]

36. Add a link... I can no longer change my OP to add him on the list.

Thanks.

[nashville_brook]

101. supposedly he wrapped his own face in duct-tape then tied his own hands in front of his body

before flinging himself in the lake.

that'll lern ya not to send books to kids in the middle east.

[defendandprotect]

174. WHO is this talking about . . . ????

[truth2power]

224. I didn't see that post before it was deleted...

but judging from a reply to that post, referencing someone being found dead and duct-taped..the only recent news report I know of was about Riad Hamad, an Austin Independent School District teacher.

http://www.590klbj.com/News/Story.aspx?ID=89215

I read on another site that he also ran the Palestinian's Children's Welfare Fund.

Very sad.

[Fox Mulder]

35. Every one of those people were murdered.

You'd have to be an idiot to believe otherwise.

[shance]

37. La Vena Johnson, Private First Class US Army

Congress must investigate crimes against women soldiers

The effort to prompt a renewed investigation of the suspicious death in Iraq of PFC LaVena Johnson has always had a strong ally in retired Army Colonel Ann Wright. Today, Col. Wright speaks out on LaVena’s case and that of other military women - in-theater and in the US - who have died following sexual assault. The introduction from the article at CommonDreams.org:


The Department of Defense statistics are alarming — one in three women who join the US military will be sexually assaulted or raped by men in the military. The warnings to women should begin above the doors of the military recruiting stations, as that is where assaults on women in the military begins — before they are even recruited.

But, now, even more alarming, are deaths of women soldiers in Iraq, and in the United States, following rape. The military has characterized each of the deaths of women who were first sexually assaulted as deaths from “non-combat related injuries,” and then added “suicide.” Yet, the families of the women whom the military has declared to have committed suicide, strongly dispute the findings and are calling for further investigations into the deaths of their daughters. Specific US Army units and certain US military bases in Iraq have an inordinate number of women soldiers who have died of “non-combat related injuries,” with several identified as “suicides.”

94 US military women in the military have died in Iraq or during Operation Iraqi Freedom (OIF). 12 US Civilian women have been killed in OIF. 13 US military women have been killed in Afghanistan during Operation Enduring Freedom (OEF). 12 US Civilian women have been killed in Afghanistan.

Of the 94 US military women who died in Iraq or in OIF, the military says 36 died from non-combat related injuries, which included vehicle accidents, illness, death by “natural causes,” and self-inflicted gunshot wounds, or suicide. The military has declared the deaths of the Navy women in Bahrain that were killed by a third sailor, as homicides. 5 deaths have been labeled as suicides, but 15 more deaths occurred under extremely suspicious circumstances.

8 women soldiers from Fort Hood, Texas (six from the Fourth Infantry Division and two from the 1st Armored Cavalry Division) have died of “non-combat related injuries” on the same base, Camp Taji, and three were raped before their deaths. Two were raped immediately before their deaths and another raped prior to arriving in Iraq. Two military women have died of suspicious “non-combat related injuries” on Balad base, and one was raped before she died. Four deaths have been classified as “suicides.”

Col. Wright recaps the story of LaVena Johnson in some detail, but also speaks on the “suicides” and “non-combat related injuries” of such personnel as Army Private First Class Tina Priest, PFC Hannah Gunterman McKinney, Major Gloria D. Davis, and others. The prevalence of such deaths and assaults against the women who serve in the military demands earnest investigation by the armed forces - and by Congress, should the services fail in this trust. I highly recommend reading the essay by Col. Wright in its entirety.

[Turbineguy]

38. This list is getting longer

than all those supposedly murdered by the Clintons.

Where are all the right-to-life conservatives on this?

[shance]

39. Army National Guard Spc. Ciara Durkin

Soldier once warned family: Investigate if I die
10/04/2007 @ 8:02 am
Filed by David Edwards and Nick Juliano


Ciara Durkin warned her family before returning to Afghanistan, "If anything happens to me, you guys make sure it gets investigated."

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What seemed a joke at the time could have been eerily prescient as Durkin, a National Guard specialist, was found dead, shot once in the head, within the fortified walls of Bagram Airfield in Afghanistan. The Pentagon is releasing no details aside from confirmation that Durkin's was a "non-combat" death.

"We just want full disclosure," Durkin's sister Deirdre said on CBS's Early Show Thursday.

Now Durkin's family is demanding an independent investigation and has enlisted the help of Sens. John Kerry and Edward Kennedy, who represent their home state of Massachusetts.

Although Durkin was gay, her family does not believe her death had anything to do with that. But Durkin, who worked in a finance office, told her family that she had uncovered some information that would upset other military officials.

"She was in the finance unit and she said, 'I discovered some things I don’t like and I made some enemies because of it.' Then she said, in her light-hearted way, 'If anything happens to me, you guys make sure it gets investigated,'" Durkin's older sister, Fiona Canavan, told The Patriot Ledger. "But at the time we thought it was said more as a joke."

Durkin died last Friday of a single gun-shot wound, but the Army has not said whether a weapon was found near her body. The Defense Department says it is investigating the incident, according to reports.

The family told Television interviewers that they didn't believe Durkin killed herself because she seemed upbeat on a recent trip home. Only hours before her death, Durkin left her brother a cheerful voicemail and sang happy birthday to him, the family told ABC News.

“(The military) is definitely holding back,” Canavan told the Boston Herald. “As to why we can only speculate.”

The following video clips are from CBS's Early Show, broadcast on October 4, 2007.

http://rawstory.com/news/2007/CBS_Family_of_gay_soldier...

[Ichingcarpenter]

44. That's was one I was looking for

but I can't add it now to the list.... Thanks

[shance]

53. You bet Iching - this list is necessary.

n/t

[Jed Dilligan]

40. Danny Casolaro

[nashville_brook]

43. jinx -- you owe me a coke -- :)

[Jed Dilligan]

45. : )

[nashville_brook]

42. Danny Casolaro (inslaw, the octopus)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danny_Casolaro

[defendandprotect]

176. DANNY CASOLARO big one -- a new book came out on him a year or so ago ---

anyone read it?

[nashville_brook]

183. no -- i have the old one that came out after the Spy Magazine series.

is this it?

http://www.amazon.com/Octopus-Secret-Government-Death-C...

The Octopus: Secret Government and the Death of Danny Casolaro (Paperback)
by Kenn Thomas, Jim Keith

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i was in college when this Inslaw-Octopus series ran in Spy Magazine. what a special/amazing publication. you know that one of the publishers now has an NPR show called Studio 360. It rocks -- arts/science/culture. Amazing show.

this story, tho, was a giant inspiration for me. i was on the student newspaper, and getting ready to start my own publication. the way Casolaro pursued this story was pure investigative journo gold. it's so amazing too, that investigative journalism is the one career choice that is still romanticized even tho (or because), if you DO IT RIGHT, it often ends in death (rather than riches). military service is another.

surprisingly -- Casolaro's death seems to drain the Inslaw story of credibility in the mainstream imagination. i wonder if he had escaped that murder, if the story would be regarded as "common knowledge" and non-controversial.

one more musing -- to me, Larisa Alexandrovna is keeping hope alive for investigative journos. she's a bright light on an otherwise endarkened horizon. stay safe LaLa.

[defendandprotect]

189. Yes . . . meant to buy it because I try to follow news of him . . .

maybe I'll go in and buy the SICKO video and this book later today ---

BUT, yeah -- the Inslaw thing involved Meese which takes us into the DOJ/Reagan Administration . . . right?

Didn't know about NPR Studio 360 -- I'll watch for it.

A lot of people learned a kind of upside down journalism and went to work for money and GOP administrations -- people like McClellan and Fleischer. But that many are still inspired by journalism and truth can be seen in the long list of dead journalists!!!

My impression of the Inslaw story is that a lot of pressure was brought to bear to keep it
under wraps. I doubt most people understand it --- not because it's so complicated -- but
because at that time you'd have to recognize the corruption of our DOJ! And the criminal nature
of such a large part of the GOP party! And, didn't they slap a "national security" cover on that
'cause it involves a back door in the programming.

Meanwhile, as we look at the Casolaro "suicide" and now this recent Palfrey "suicide" I think the
message goes out quickly to anyone who knows anything about it to shut up! ?????

Larisa Alexandrovna is great, inspirational --- and living dangerously -- she knows what to watch
and she's there.

But it also reminds me of the very brutal murder of the renowned Italian reporter Giuliana Sgrena ...
killed in a car shootout by US troops!

Overall, good to see so many now questioning all of this --- !!!

Italy seeks US answers over Iraq shootout
Italian journalist Giuliana Sgrena has been released from captivity in Iraq, ... killing of an Italian security agent and the wounding of freed Italian ...
www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2005-03/05/content_42... - Cached

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2005-03/05/con...
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is this it?

http://www.amazon.com/Octopus-Secret-Government-Death-C ...

The Octopus: Secret Government and the Death of Danny Casolaro (Paperback)
by Kenn Thomas, Jim Keith

[nashville_brook]

199. yep, i often think of the italian journalist in the same category as LaLa. -- on the DOJ and GOP

i wonder, since this was prior to the "great secrecy" of the bush jr maladministration, if there isn't available documents that would tell the story of the early corruption of these departments. i see a direct line between Nixon, Reagan and both Bush administrations, so it works for me, that something started in the 80s would give insight into what's going on now -- i.e. the completion of the Nixonian "project."

i just noticed that the editor of this book also died under weird circumstances.

[defendandprotect]

213. Did you mean . . .

the new book on Casolaro? The author is dead ?

Meanwhile, Bushco has blocked so much info --- making Freedom of info almost impossible now ---

[nashville_brook]

215. yeah, i think it's the Keith guy -- it's mentioned in the comments/reviews on Amazon

[defendandprotect]

216. Well, off we go again, I guess --- !!!

Keith fell from a stage and broke his knee at the annual Burning Man arts festival held on the Black Rock Desert in Nevada, about 120 miles north of his hometown of Reno. He went to the Washoe Medical hospital there and died shortly after surgery, in ICU, when a blood clot released and entered his lung, although the coroner's report listed cause of death as "blunt force trauma." Cryptically, Keith stated, prior to his death, "I have this feeling that if they put me under I'm not coming back". He is survived by two daughters.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Keith


Maybe some other versions of this around . . . have no time to check right now ---

Somehow we keep losing the good guys --- !!!

[nashville_brook]

46. Ralph Gonzalez, David Abrami and Robert Drake (Abramoff/Feeney "love triangle" murder/suicide

http://www.pensitoreview.com/2006/11/15/quote-du-lott-2...

[defendandprotect]

186. Here are some interesting comments at the website . . .

Oddly enough, unless I read too quickly, the article doesn't mention Feeney ---

Looks like the tide was turning on the GOP "southern strategy" much earlier than we recognized . .

evidently keeping it going in Georgia and Alabama was a large concern!

Come to think of it . . . didn't Jimmy Carter win all but one of the "Confederate" states?

So we may have been intimidated/blinded by fears of the Southern Strategy when it didn't exist
very long at all --- !!! A myth?

The death of the three men , including Ralph Gonzalez was not a murder suicide. they were all killed. Yes, Ralph was the Georgia Republican party director and then 2002 US Feeney campaign director. He was also indicited Governor Ga. campaign person.
The bog picture, this is the forth dead person that knew or was investigating US Tom Feeney Bush ties.
The other dead man was Raymond Lemme, who had a two month later wedding of a daughter, and over 30 year happy marriage t his wife .
The DAY he was to have a meeting about his INVESTIGATION with the Florida DOT general counsel about US FEENEY and Yang enterprises, he was M