Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R) sees broader 9/11, OK City and WTC '93 plot and coverup

[HamdenRice]

In case anyone hasn't seen this in GD:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2936623#2936724

Republicans in Congress Can't Take White House Criminality Anymore

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In the last Congress, I was chairman of the Oversight and
Investigations Subcommittee of the House Foreign Affairs Committee. In
that capacity, I learned that in the time immediately leading up to the
bombing of the Federal Building in Oklahoma City, convicted Oklahoma
City bomber and murderer Terry Nichols had been in Cebu City in the
Philippines. His stay in Cebu City coincided with another visitor to
that city, al Qaeda's terrorist leader Ramsey Yousef. Interestingly,
both Nichols and Yousef used similar bombs and methods just 2 years
apart to blow up two American targets. Yousef was the mastermind of the
first attack on the World Trade Center in 1993. Nichols was a
coconspirator in the bombing of the Oklahoma City Federal Building in
1995.

By the way, I would like to acknowledge that today happens to be the
15-year anniversary of that first devastating attack on the World Trade
Center.
These individuals, one American and one Arab, were responsible for
planning two of the most lethal terrorist attacks on our countrymen in
our history. We are to believe that by coincidence they ended up in an
off-the-beaten-track city in the Southern Philippines? One doesn't have
to be a conspiracy nut to understand that this coincidence is certainly
worth looking into.

I started an official congressional investigation sanctioned by Henry
Hyde, then the chairman of the International Relations Committee, to
see whether Terry Nichols or his accomplice, Timothy McVeigh, had
foreign help in their murderous terrorist bombing of the Alfred Murrah
Building in Oklahoma City.

In light of the fact that Terry Nichols and Ramsey Yousef were both
in Cebu City at the same time prior to hauntingly similar terrorist
attacks, it was no stretch for a congressional investigative committee
to be looking into this matter. However, the Bush administration felt
quite differently. To those I had to deal with, it was ....case closed,
don't bother us.'' They had looked into the matter, and Congress should
simply and blindly accept their conclusion that there was no Nichols-
Yousef connection. ....Don't bother us.'' This was at times bureaucratic
laziness, and at other times it was clearly based on a disdain for
congressional investigations and authority.
During my investigation, I secured Ramsey Yousef's cell phone
records. The records were part of the phone calls that he made when he
was in that New York City area in the months just prior to the bombing
of the World Trade Center in 1993.
The phone records show that Ramsey Yousef made at least two phone
calls to a row house in Queens, New York.

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That row house was occupied by the cousin of Terry Nichols' Filipina
wife. Let me repeat that. The terrorist bomber of the first World Trade
Center attack, the nephew of al Qaeda 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh
Mohammad, made phone calls to the same row house that was occupied by
Terry Nichols' cousins-in-law just 2 months before he exploded the bomb
in the garage of the World Trade Center 15 years ago. Another
coincidence?

[jberryhill]

1. I like the use of certain phrases

"off-the-beaten-track city in the Southern Philippines" - Cebu City is the major international transit hub for the Philippines, and the second major city of the country. Nichols' 17 year old wife was from Cebu City.

"phone calls to a row house" - The weird thing about telephone numbers is that the accounts are usually to a person, and not a thing. Rohrabacher says these calls were made to an address, but he doesn't know whose telephone number it was?

[HamdenRice]

2. Everyone's favorite lawyer shows up to ask the hard (red herring) questions

If you are a foreigner, and it's not Manilla, it's off the beaten path.

As for the "row house," the person has been identified by name and the relationship to Nichols established (Google is your friend), but that name would hardly have any meaning for the audience for which the letter was intended, would it?

Now, do you have anything substantive whatsoever to add?

[seemslikeadream]

3. I start looking for that Terry Nichols interview he did from jail

not too long ago it was pretty good

[HamdenRice]

6. Can you summarize in a sentece or two from memory? nt

[seemslikeadream]

12. Still looking but I found this

http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/1,1249,660197443,00.html

Nichols says he knew McVeigh was building the bomb, and in November 1994 he left for the Philippines to get away from the area to avoid being implicated.

"I did not want to be present when and if McVeigh did explode a bomb. Consequently, I left for the Philippines to be out of the country," he wrote.

That statement contradicts findings of Congressman Dana Rohrabacher, R-California, whose study on the bombing was made public last December. It indicated Nichols had traveled to the Philippines to receive bombing training by a possible foreign terrorist.

Having not heard of any bombing, Nichols said he returned to the U.S. in January 1995. It was later that, in a fit of rage, McVeigh mentioned Potts' name, Nichols wrote.

"McVeigh said he believed Potts was manipulating him and forcing him to 'go off script,' which I understood meant to change the target of the bombing," Nichols stated.

It wasn't until April 18, 1995, that Nichols said he helped McVeigh construct a bomb at Geary Lake. The bomb was comprised of "metal and white plastic" barrels which were filled with ammonium nitrate fertilizer and mixed with nitromethane. In all he estimates between 90 to 92 fifty-pound bags of fertilizer went into the barrels and explosive sticks were placed in the holes of each barrel

[seemslikeadream]

13. and this

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/okcjuror.htm#topofdoc

Interview With The Grand Juror Who Wouldn't Shut Up: The Oklahoma City
Bombing Case - Part Two

[seemslikeadream]

14. WHO is Melvin Lattimore?

[jberryhill]

16. To add?

"the person has been identified by name and the relationship to Nichols established" - Forgive me for not knowing every twist of the Waco/Janet Reno/OKC bombing trail. It struck me as an odd way to characterize a telephone call. If you don't feel like sharing what you know, that's fine.

"If you are a foreigner, and it's not Manilla, it's off the beaten path." - Wasn't Nichol's teenage mail-order Filipina bride from Cebu City? I understand the point that it's not somewhere I might ever go. But I do know enough geography to know it is a major city, and it's certainly not "off the beaten path" for someone who is from Cebu City or married to a native of it.

Asking questions is offensive now? I know the Freepers get off on the Sandy Berger stuff, and that Dana Rohrbacher is one of their heroes, so I don't take Rohrbacher at face value, no. I guess I'm just not one of those people who accepts what a government official says without thinking about it for myself.

[greyl]

4. He's saying the OK bombing was done by Al Queda, not a right-wing American terrorist and

trying to attack Bill Clinton and Sandy Berger again.

Also from Rohrabacher:

"I HOPE IT'S YOUR FAMILY MEMBERS THAT DIE" said US Representative Dana Rohrabacher to American citizens who questioned the Bush Administration’s unlawful extraordinary rendition policies.
______

Back to the Congressional hearing. With eyes narrowed and mouth in a contorted grimace, Congressman Rohrabacker attacked the two British and one Italian members of the European Parliament who testified before the committee. Reminding one of Joe McCarty in tone and substance, Rohrabacker demeaned and degraded the report and chastised, belittled and berated the Parliamentarians. Remarkably, Rohrabacker said the most of the CIA private flights that landed in Europe were to transport CIA agents all over the world, not to move prisoners. Yet the logs of the 1245 flights have been tied by date and location to the movement of specific individual prisoners from one location to another.

Rohrabacher railed against anyone who questioned the right of the Bush administration to do whatever it wanted, legal or illegal, to prevent terrorist acts and said that by not supporting the Bush policies was consigning their country to the terrorists. In particular he said that any Americans who questioned the extraordinary rendition were un-American.

Citing historic examples of other countries kidnapping persons, Rohrabacker said Israel had every right to kidnap Nazi official Adolph Eichmann from Argentina, bring him to Israel and execute him. Rohrabacher conveniently forgot to mention that the Israeli government did put Eichmann on trial, a trial which none of those who have been extraordinarily rendered have had. Rohrabacher then attacked and belittled the European Community for outlawing the death penalty saying that “You in the European community won’t stand up to evil people, you won’t execute them. Eichmann deserved to be executed, just like these terrorists must be executed.”


www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=node/21501

Most importantly, where's the evidence that backs up asshole Rohrabacher's statements?
I'm certainly not going to take his word for anything.

[HamdenRice]

5. Reading comprehension is fun!

It is also useful!

Anyone who puts his or her reading cap on should be able to discern that in this speech he is saying he wanted to investigate a connection between the OKC bombers and al Qaeda, and that the administration refuses to cooperate. He did not say OKC "was done" by AQ.

As for the rest of your meaningless ad hominem and red herring blabbering, the point of the OP in GD is that even someone was much of a loyal Repub as Rohrabacher has tired of the criminality and covering up of the administration.

The question is, if even Rohrabacher can see this, why can't some so-called "fellow progressives"?

[greyl]

7. Most importantly, where's the evidence that backs up asshole Rohrabacher's statements?

I was hoping you could comprehend that question.

If you don't see that he's trying to unfairly magnify the threat from Al Queda, while simultaneously attacking a Democratic administration in attempt to strengthen his current bid for re-election, I think it's because you don't want to see.

Again, most importantly, where's the evidence that backs up asshole Rohrabacher's statements?

[HamdenRice]

10. Reading comprehension, rules of logic and evidence are your friend!

You might try actually reading the OP. In his speech he notes:

"In the last Congress, I was chairman of the Oversight and
Investigations Subcommittee of the House Foreign Affairs Committee. In
that capacity, I learned that in the time immediately leading up to the
bombing of the Federal Building in Oklahoma City, convicted Oklahoma
City bomber and murderer Terry Nichols had been in Cebu City in the
Philippines..."

The "evidence" he is summarizing is evidence he encounted while chair of an investigative committee. Unless you have evidence to the contrary, his speech on the floor is prima facia not contradicted. In a speech on the floor he is not arguing directly from documents, although he may, but need not, enter documents into the congressional record.

(But you knew that, I hope, right?)

Of course by OCTabot logic, anything that contradicts the Bush official version of reality is prima facia wrong and needs supporting evidence.

But that's how things work in your universe. By contrast, I live in the "reality based community" where orthodox rules of logic prevail.

[greyl]

11. Before I go on, is that the strongest evidence you can supply? nt

[HamdenRice]

18. Brawndo

"Its got what plants Crave, its got electrolytes!"

[jberryhill]

17. Rohrbacher makes three statements

1. That Nichols was in Cebu City at the same time as Youseff. Nichols' wife is from Cebu City, was 19 years old in 1993, and Nichols' was frequently in Cebu City. It is a major city in the Phillipines.

2. That Nichols and Youseff both were involved in ammonium nitrate / fuel oil explosive attacks using rented trucks.

3. That Youseff made two phone calls to a row house in Queens NY that was occupied by a cousin of Nichols' "Filipina Wife". My understanding is that Nichols' had two Filipina wives (he divorced the first one, obviously) and the statement is vague as to whether this "row house" was occupied by said cousin at the *time* the calls were made or whose phone it was.

1 and 2 don't strike me as much of a big deal. (at a meeting I attended in Delhi two weeks ago, one of the participants was complaining about the meeting being in a "remote location" which, of course, was pretty subjective statement; and if both Nichols ans Youseff had used something more exotic that ANFO, which amounts to hillbilly TNT, that would be more interesting)

3 is interesting.

Nichols' defense attorney came up with all sorts of stuff in the course of defending Nichols' in his trial over the OKC bombing, so just where Rohrbacher is getting his information from matters.

For example, during the course of the OJ Simpson trial, I "learned" that Columbian drug dealers visited Nicole Simpson's house that night, and that there is a village in Latin America in which "No me recuerdo" actually means "no" instead of "I don't remember". I "learned" these things from the Simpson defense team. So, yes, where Rohrbacher got his facts matters.

But that's why the characterization of the phone calls seems a bit odd.

[AZCat]

9. Does the word "criminality" bother anyone else?

Irrelevant tangent, I know, but it's a pet peeve.

[HamdenRice]

8. Corrected link

The OP links to a post in the middle of the thread. The link to the OP should have been:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2936623

[RedSock]

15. picture of Dana Rohrabacher

Saturday, September 7, 2002 in the Orange County Weekly
Rogue Statesman
Congressman Dana Rohrabacher’s Absolutely Crazy, Quite Possibly Illegal Back-Channel Chats with the Villains of Sept. 11

"(Rohrabacher) says the Taliban are devout traditionalists -- not terrorists or revolutionaries. He believes a Taliban takeover (of Afghanistan) would be a positive development."
—Washington Report on Middle East Affairs, November/December 1996 issue

http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0907-05.htm

Well worth reading!

....

I also recall seeing a picture of Dana Rohrabacher in Afghanistan, dressed up with the mujahideen.

Anyone?

[MinM]

19. Dana Rohrabacher

The Ft. Dix 'Conspiracy,' or Why Dana Rohrabacher Should Be Censured by William Norman Grigg

California Republican congressman Dana Rohrabacher, a stalwart ally of the KLA, is a tool of a tool.

On July 23, 2001, Rohrabacher was the featured guest at an AACL fundraising dinner at Le Jardin in Edgewater, New Jersey. Also on hand was John Fund of the Wall Street Journal, whose editorial page supported the terror-bombing of Yugoslavia. Rohrabacher used his speech to extol the Islamo-Fascist KLA as the heirs to the Patriots of our War for Independence, and denounce congressional colleagues who didn't support arming that terrorist clique in 1999.

The 9-11 attacks came little more than a month later.

That atrocity, according to the standard account, was carried out by elements of Osama bin Laden's terrorist network – a network that included Rohrabacher's friends in the KLA.

During the 1999 NATO terror-bombing of Serbia, the KLA canvassed Albanian immigrant populations in New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, and Michigan for recruits into a propaganda army – an “Ibrahim Lincoln Brigade,” as it were. After the Clinton administration – working through the UN and NATO – delivered Kosovo (a province of Serbia) into the KLA's hands, a reign of terror commenced against both Serbs and moderate ethnic Albanians.

It's also worth noting that in the Ft. Dix plot we find, once again, the conspicuous involvement of an FBI “informant,” described as a veteran of the Egyptian military; in fact, the FBI plant actually seems to have suggested the attack. (Thanks to Justin Ptak by way of Lew Rockwell's blog.)

I wonder if the Bureau got in touch with Emad Salem and offered him another gig. The first one didn't turn out so well: Salem penetrated the terror cell responsible for the first World Trade Center bombing in 1993, and was furious with the FBI after it allowed that attack – which would have been immeasurably bloodier had it not been for the unfathomable stupidity of Mohammed Salameh – to proceed.
YouTube - Rare TV NEWS report about WTC bombing FBI Foreknowledge
Salameh, like the dimwits from the purported “Seas of David” terrorist cell, is typical of the kind of people drawn into Washington's “rent-a-cabal” False Flag operations. It's too early to tell if the people from the alleged Ft. Dix plot fit that description, but the fact that they were planning to attack an Army base suggests that we're dealing with people dwelling on the left side of the Bell Curve..

Dana Rohrabacher - Congresspedia

[RedSock]

20. here is the picture

http://www.ocweekly.com/features/features/dr-frankenbacher/22375/