The Rabbit Hole

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=gkvC1SCsIcY





Sometimes I wonder how I ended up in this little white rabbit hole of unreality. How did I lose touch with the outside world so quickly? Do we reach a point where our lies and deception become so part of who we are that we actually start to believe they are really true?

I’ve noticed that I’m not completely alone here. I’ve managed to find a few other lost souls to keep me company. I like that. It’s always nice to have somebody to talk to. And every so often another victim falls down the hole to join us. They always arrive dazed and confused but it doesn’t take them long to figure out what life in the hole is all about.

Sometimes though, when it all becomes a little too much, we like to look up and see the light at the top of the hole. If we’re very quiet we can even hear the whisperings of normality. It’s the sound of people going about their lives in the real world. I guess life doesn’t stop just because we decided to get off the bus in the middle of the highway.

And although we never talk about it, I think we all dream that one day we will be freed from this place. Maybe some brave person will come and rescue us? They’ll throw a rope down and we’ll all climb out and laugh about how it was when we were in the hole.

But not today. Today it’s just another day in the hole.

Source: http://www.mydigitallife.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=6030&Itemid=29

[LARED]

1. I guess this means you're outing yourself as a no-planer?

Yes?

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

7. Glad you dropped by...

...I was beginning to worry this thread might drop through the forum like a stone -- can't get any exposure without of few kicks.

I've stated my position on "no planes" before:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x186571#186670

Here's another one I think you'll agree, raises serious questions about the OCT:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=XbpP4Tr0CMI

[LARED]

10. Glad to stop by

I'm also glad you have clarified your position on no-planes.

You see no planers are in a class all to themselves. I can understand folks questioning the investigation into how 9/11 happened. I can sort of see the CD'er point of view if one assumes they are ignorant (and insist on remaining so) about the dynamics involved with the collapses.

But no planers defy all objective reasoning. Ignorance can't explain their position. Logic can't explain it. No planers are simply inexplicable without resorting to mental health issues . But I'll not go there.

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

11. You mean crimestop?

[LARED]

14. No, I mean either willfully ignorant,

abnormal cognitive skills, or just plain stupid.

I'm sure no-planers fit into other categories as well. But those seem to be the most obvious.

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

16. OK, you win -- I'm ready to hear you preach the truth, brother Lared...

Once upon a time there were these 19 very very bad men with box cutters...

[LARED]

18. Unfortunately you seem immune to the truth that

four planes were hijacked and flown into three buildings and a field in Penn.

I realize no amount of facts will sway you, so enjoy.

[Twist_U_Up]

2. You may need some of this

btw this is exactly how I see it. TY

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

3. We need to order that stuff by the 55 gallon drum in super industrial strength.

It took me a while to wrap my mind around "no planes." It is unbelievable -- yet it is reality.

It would seem the planners/perpetrators of 9-11 were diligent students, if not fans, of Adolph Hitler:

The great masses of the people will more easily fall victims to a big lie than to a small one.

[SDuderstadt]

4. If it's reality....

where did the airplane debris come from?

[deadlikeme13]

6. The same place 47 steel core columns symmetrically lost all of their structural integrity did ?

[SDuderstadt]

12. Wouldn't it be easier to just admit that you have...

no idea? It's the inabilty of the "truth movement" to answer simple questions like this that makes it difficult for rational people to sign on. If 9/11 happened the way the "truth movement" claims it should be possible to construct some sort of alternative hypothesis that logically fits with the available evidence, rather than just throw up your collective hands and say, "beats me!".

[deadlikeme13]

21. So you also believe in the Warren Commissions' "Magic Bullet" theory of the JFK assassination too?

If so, it figures!

No, you are engaging the the old trick of obfuscation, because YOU can't prove that the
events of 9/11/01 happened as the MSM has presented it to the American people.

[SDuderstadt]

24. Yeah, I've been a goverment shill.....

since I was 12.

[deadlikeme13]

25. Bingo !!! Tote that BIG government line no matter how silly it is, right?

Which ABC gov-spook agency do you work for, since you are finally telling the truth ?

[SDuderstadt]

27. Well, I work for...

the CIA, NSA, Naval Intelligence, DIA, FBI, Interpol and MI6 concurrently. Since my 007 status was revoked, I have been assigned to disrupting DU fulltime. Duh.

P.S. I despise the Bush administration and I'm working for impeachment. What are you doing?

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

8. If your talking about the few bits and pieces of who knows what...

...that were delivered to the Pentagon, Shanksville, and WTC sites, I don't know where those came from or who installed them.

I'm pretty sure I know where they didn't come from though:




A much better question is: What happened to all the plane wreckage that should have been strewn everywhere if large commercial jetliners had actually crashed at these three sites?

[SDuderstadt]

13. You're kidding, right?

What kind of bullshit answer is that? The best you can do is, "If your talking about the few bits and pieces of who knows what that were delivered to the Pentagon, Shanksville, and WTC sites, I don't know where those came from or who installed them."? Please explain how your "alternative hypothesis" could have possibly worked. How in the world could anyone have "delivered and installed" COUNTLESS (hardly a few, like you claim) pieces of clearly indentifiable aircraft debris and not drawn the attention of ANYONE? Where are the witnesses who say they saw ANYTHING remotely like what you claim? Go to the links below and explain the prolific pieces of debris that absolutely contradict your rather pathetic claim it was just a "few bits and pieces of who knows what" when the wreckage is easily identifiable (like pieces of debris that clearly show American Airlines markings).


http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/aircraftpartsnyc911

http://americanhistory.si.edu/september11/collection/record.asp?ID=45

http://wtcdebris.0catch.com/

http://911files.info/77/pentagon_911_book/

The above links are just several of the available sources of evidence that tear your bullshit "theory" to shreds. If those are not enough for you, here's the contact info for some of the first responders to the Flight 93 crash site. Why don't you contact them and see how they contradict your absurd claims.

Shanksville Volunteer Fire Co, Shanksville, PA 15560 Terry Schaffer, Chief; Rick King, Ass't Chief

Somerset County Emergency Services 100 East Union Street, Somerset, PA 15501

Westmoreland Cy Dept. of Emergency Management 12 Court House Square Greensburg, PA 15601

Pennsylvania Emergency Management Agency Harrisburg, PA 17101

As to your last absurd question, "What happened to all the plane wreckage that should have been strewn everywhere if large commercial jetliners had actually crashed at these three sites?", are you some sort of expert on the after-effects of large-scale commercial jetliner crashes? How should the sites have looked? Have you done the math that tracks the precise details of the crashes and models what the crash sites/debris fields SHOULD have looked like? If you have, please produce them. Otherwise, it's obvious you have no idea what you are babbling about. Talk about "nuisance and distraction". Pathetic. And you wonder why no one believes your bullshit.

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

15. You become more trasparent with every post

No commercial jetliner hit the Pentagon:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=r81u55jWTg8

[SDuderstadt]

17. And you just keep repeating your claim over and over...

and post another YouTube video that can't get even basic facts correct. I notice that you also don't respond to my logical questions. I'll ask again, if the readily identifiable aircraft debris was, as you put it, "delivered and installed", how exactly did the "plotters" do it? It's your fricking claim but you can't remotely explain how they could have pulled it off. Why is that?

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

19. I did not claim that wreckage was planted...

...although I wouldn't be surprised if some was -- it was likely delivered/installed via the Global Hawk or whatever slammed into the Pentagon -- definitely NOT a 757.

Here's a look at what actually was in the wreckage:

http://home.att.net/~south.tower/PentagonWrongEngine1.htm

[SDuderstadt]

20. Do you have any proof at all for...

your goofy claim? Posting more silly-ass CT websites isn't cutting it. Do you even know how much wreckage was recovered at the site? How was it delivered/installed" by a Global hawk or any other aircraft? How would "delivering/installing" it NOT be planting? Please explain how this could be done, instead of just speculating. Where is your thought-out alternative hypothesis? You just ramble on from one absurd supposition to another.

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

22. You seem a little disturbed by this thread, Sdude...

...Here, this should ease your mind -- drink it in, and whatever you do, don't play near the rabbit hole:

[SDuderstadt]

23. What's disturbing is your...

utter lack of proof for your silly claims.

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

26. If you really believed in OCT and seriously...

...thought the myriad of OPs raising important questions and demonstrating what absolute fiction the OCT is, lacked any evidence or were not compelling, you wouldn't be here.

The fact that you, and several others, virtually live in the 9-11 forum making multiple posts in so many threads, the same nuisance/distraction BS over and over and over again, suggests that you feel very threatened in some way by the 9-11 Truth movement, and are clearly determined to derail any meaningful discussion before it has a chance to get started via nuisance/distraction spam.

[SDuderstadt]

28. If you were really...

"demonstrating what absolute fiction the OCT is", you'd be able to come up with some actual proof of your claims.

As far as your claim that I "practically live here", I've managed to make slightly over 700 posts since joining in 2002. I'd hardly call that "living here".

As I noted before, what you call the "OCT" has multiple independent entities that have provided pieces of the puzzle and, when one looks at the total picture, it's far more convincing and makes more sense than your goofy MIHOP, LIHOP and "9/11 was an inside job" babbling. I ask you simple, logical questions which you cannot answer, then you wave the silly "you're trying to derail any meaningful discussion before it can begin" nonsense. How is asking questions not engaging in meaningful discussion? Are you claiming a debate can only have one side? Wouldn't asking questions actually SPUR meaningful conversation?

Pathetic.

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

29. It would seem most DUers who have visited this...

forum over the last year or so don't see it your way.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=125&topic_id=114063

And that's without the benefit of ANY mainstream media, left media, or Dem leadership seriously questioning the 9-11 OCT fairytale in any meaningful way -- imagine what's going to happen when a critical mass of people is reached who've awoken to the truth of 9-11.

I think you have imagined this critical mass of awakened citizens, and I think you're literally terrified by the thought of it, and I think it's why you're here desperately posting all the nuisance/distraction spam.

[AZCat]

30. Who gives a shit what a poll says?

Is the truth governed by popular opinion?

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

32. Now don't come undone, AzCat...

Maybe you'd better go concentrate on post #22 for a while -- it'll help you feel better.

Note: The truth isn't something that's "governed," however, it is on the contrary, something that governs -- it governs honest and thorough investigations. Wouldn't it be nice if the 9-11 Commission's investigation had been governed by truth.

[AZCat]

33. Yes, it would have been nice.

I've been undone a long time though - too many shitty theories have eaten away at my patience with those types.

[SDuderstadt]

31. Yeah, I'm shaking in my boots....

You've had 6+ years to make this a mainstream movement. It isn't. And you keep invoking this silly "nuisance/distraction" meme, because you can't answer simple logical questions. Why are you so threatened by simple logical questions? Why do you get upset when someone won't buy your bullshit because you can't prove it? Let me make sure I get this straight. If the "truth movement" is not required to prove their claims, why should you demand it of the "OCT"?

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

34. I think maybe you ought to join AZcat...

...and return to the wisdom of post #22 for some serious contemplation -- you'll feel better.

[SDuderstadt]

35. Funny how you keep dodging hard questions...

you have zero credibility.

[AZCat]

36. I don't think he cares.

Maybe this is a game to him?

[SDuderstadt]

38. I know...

I just call him on his bullshit so all can see.

[AZCat]

40. That's what the members...

of NWO Branch V-6 (the keyboarder corps) are duty-bound to do!

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

37. The charge of zero credibility? From YOU?

:rofl:

[SDuderstadt]

39. I cite credible sources and hard evidence....

You just make unsupported assertions and dodge hard questions. You're an embarrassment to the progressive movement.

[deadlikeme13]

5. Just as true then, as it is now. Most people don't like dealing with unhappy truths so they fall.

..for the "BIG LIE" like the 9/11 Magic Show.

[Twist_U_Up]

9. They`re Back..........

Most people are working their asses off trying to stay afloat in this trickle-up economy, and don’t have the time or energy to learn or think about what the demons in D.C. may have done.

When you throw in the fact that major media outlets do their damndest to prevent open, honest discussion of the events of 9/11, and also routinely portray critics of the “official story” as lunatics, the points you make may seem even more realistic.