JFK assassination & WHO will consider high-level conspiracies possible

[Abe Linkman]

Imagine that it is 1963, the height of the Cold War, but it is not Kennedy who has been killed. It is Nikita Khruschev, leader of the Soviet Union, recently humiliated by the U.S. during the Cuban Missile Crisis. In this thought experiment, it is Khruschev, not Kennedy, who received a military autopsy whose results ran directly counter to the reports of the civilian doctors who first treated him. Imagine that later one of the autopsy doctors admitted that a Soviet general ran the autopsy, and that this doctor said he was ordered not to track the path of a bullet. That crucial autopsy photographs known to be taken went missing, that trained medical witnesses disputed what was shown in those that remained, that the official autopsy camera went missing after an investigation failed to match it to the photographs. Imagine it was Russia where the security services destroyed evidence linking themselves with the purported killer, who was declared to be a lone "rabid capitalist," but who seemed to be surrounded for the last year of his life by KGB operatives. That secret evidence finally revealed that the purported killer had been impersonated in a supposed phone conversation with CIA agents. But Khruschev's successor, without revealing the impersonation, had led those investigating the crime to think that the alleged assassin had indeed made these disturbing calls, and there might be nuclear war with America if this got out. And so on. Take the single bullet theory, the killing of the alleged assassin while in police custody, and all the rest of the JFK assassination story, including the fact that the murder was followed by a major expansion of a war, a war that secret documents years later showed Khruschev had ordered be wound down.

Everyone in the U.S., from the New York Times to the man on the street, would have a field day with this scenario. It would be completely obvious to everyone that Khruschev was killed by his own political enemies with the help of the KGB, for political reasons. It would be obvious that the "story" of the lone capitalist was just that, a story, propped by by phoney "evidence" that would be completely disbelieved. You wouldn't need 1/10th of the evidence pointing toward a high-level conspiracy that is present in the JFK assassination to convince just about anybody of this.

I am not suggesting, by the way, that Russian and American societies in the 1960s or later were or are equivalent, and any analogies such as given above have their limits. Nonetheless, what is fundamentally different between this thought experiment and the reality of the Kennedy assassination is not the basic facts—it is a matter of belief systems. For a great many people, it is simply not possible that an assassination of a President would be carried out by powerful domestic political figures, even though they would be perfectly willing to believe it of the Soviets or almost any other country's leaders. Even imagining that high U.S. officials would lie and engage in cover-up in such a matter is unthinkable to many, and certainly unspeakable in the naton's "responsible" media. Belief systems are powerful. But they are not always right.

Rex Bradford, November, 2001

[k-robjoe]

1. Adding one quote

" Jack Ruby (Oswald's assassin) makes a statement to reporters after he has been permitted a new trial. He says :
"Everything pertaining to what's happening has never come to the surface. The world will never know the true facts, of what occurred, my motives. The people had , that had so much to gain and had such an ulterior motive for putting me in the position I'm in, will never let the true facts come above board to the world."

Reporter : "Are these people in very high positions Jack ??"

Jack : "Yes."

Why has nobody seen this footage at the time it was shot? Because certain people with enough power didn't want you to see it.(...)"

http://jfkmurdersolved.com/ruby.htm

[Pallas180]

2. Here's your answer to what happened to JFK

look up the Northwoods Military Plan - General Limnitzer (spelling)


JFK when advised of the One World Government plan said: "The high office of president is being used to limit the freedoms of the American people, and before I leave office I must warn the citizens of this plight".

Ten days later he was assassinated.

[k-robjoe]

3. ABC lies

Big time cover-up still going on.

ABC lies :

"ABC News has conducted an exhaustive investigation of the Kennedy assassination, complete with a computer-generated reconstruction, which irrefutably confirms that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone, the network said Monday. " ( Autumn 2003 )

The ABC film asserts that the fragments missing from the bullet match the weight of the fragments found in Connelly's wrist. That the "weight of fragments found in Connelly's wrist precisely match the missing fragments from the bullet" The ABC film does not mention the following testimony given to the Warren commission:

"Dr. GREGORY. In examining this bullet, I find a small
flake has been either knocked off or removed from
the rounded end of the missile.
"I was told that this was removed for the purpose of analysis."

("Dr Wecht testified to the HSCA that 339 could not have caused the injuries, that the small defect on the tip (not the crown) is where a sample has been removed for metallurgy tests.")

[k-robjoe]

5. Complete farce

ABC says the fragments from Connallys wrist has exactly the same weight as what is missing from the bullet ( CE-399 ).

So the hoax is clear once you get to know that there were fragments in Connallys wrist that weren´t removed.

"Mr. FITHIAN: The other fragments were not removed?

Dr. BADEN: The other fragments were not removed and are still present as demonstrated on subsequent X-rays available to the committee when the Governor's arm was healing."

http://www.jfk-info.com/fragment.htm ( With x-ray pic. )

[k-robjoe]

4. Quote

"Bobby ( Robert Kennedy ) was not the only member of President Kennedy's inner circle who believed there was a conspiracy. Presidential aides Kenny O'Donnell and Dave Powers, key members of JFK's Irish Mafia, were in a trailing limousine in the Dallas motorcade. Both of them later told House Speaker Tip O'Neill that they heard two shots from behind the fence on the grassly knoll. "That's not what you told the Warren Commission," a stunned O'Neill replied, according to his 1989 memoir, "Man of the House. "You're right," O'Donnell said. "I told the FBI what I had heard, but they said it couldn't have happened that way and that I must have been imagining things." So not wanting to "stir up more pain and trouble for the family," O'Donnell told the commission what the FBI wanted him to.

Speaking of the FBI, its deeply sinister strongman J. Edgar Hoover might have "lied his eyes out" to the Warren Commission, as panel member Hale Boggs, the Louisiana congressman, memorably told an aide, pressuring and maneuvering the commission to reach a lone-assassin verdict. But again, in private, Hoover told another story. The summer after the assassination, Hoover was relaxing at the Del Charro resort in California, which was owned by his friend, right-wing Texas oil tycoon Clint Murchison. Another Texas oil crony of Hoover's, Billy Byars Sr. -- the only man Hoover had called on the afternoon of November 22, 1963 besides Robert Kennedy and the head of the Secret Service -- also was there. At one point, according to Anthony Summers, the invaluable prober of the dark side of American power, Byars' teenage son, Billy Jr. got up his nerve to ask Hoover the question, "Do you think Lee Harvey Oswald did it?" According to Byars, Hoover "stopped and looked at me for quite a long time. Then he said, 'If I told you what I really know, it would be very dangerous to this country. Our whole political system could be disrupted.'"

Blunt skepticism about the Warren Report was a bipartisan affair, with leaders on both sides of the aisle airily dismissing its conclusions. On a White House tape recording, President Nixon is heard telling aides that the Warren Report "was the greatest hoax that has ever been perpetuated." One of Nixon's top aides, White House chief of staff H.R. "Bob" Haldeman, shared his boss' skepticism. In his 1978 memoir, "The Ends of Power," Haldeman, who "had always been intrigued with the conflicting theories of the assassination" recalls that when the Nixon team moved into the White House in 1969, he felt that they finally "would be in a position to get all the facts." But Nixon, perhaps wary of where all those facts would lead, rejected Haldeman's suggestion."

http://home.earthlink.net/~jkelin1/talbot.html

[k-robjoe]

11. Continued

"The following agents believed that there was a conspiracy involved in JFK's death (I use past tense only because most of them are now deceased):

1) Samuel A. Kinney- Sam told me this three times (he also stated that he found the notion of conspiracy "plausible" to the HSCA, based off the recently-released contact reports available thru the ARRB/ Archives). He thought Oswald was the lone shooter, although he stated emphatically that there were no missed shots (!)- he spoke to Connally about this and THE GOVERNOR AGREED WITH SAM! Sam also told me that the "right rear" of JFK's head was missing, and that his windshield (of the follow-up car) and left arm were splattered with blood and brain matter. Finally, whether hyperbole or not, Sam said "He had no brains left". Sam passed away 7/21/97 while vacationing in Iowa. His wife Hazel told me she regretted that Sam is now forever unable to tell more...;

2) Roy H. Kellerman- According to his widow June, Roy "accepted that there was a conspiracy"- this was based on June overhearing Roy's telephone conversation with someone from the HSCA in approx. 1977 or 1978. As we all know, Roy stated to the WC that "there has to be more than three shots, gentleman" and that a "flurry of shells" came into the car. Like Bill Greer, Roy is often added to the list of those witnesses who reported that the right rear of JFK's head was blasted. The above information was reported to author Anthony Summers for the Dec. 1994 "VANITY FAIR", p. 88 ; you'll also find it in my book. Finally, Kellerman's daughter told Harold Weisberg in the 1970's that "I hope the day will come when these men will be able to say what they've told their families";

3) Abraham W. Bolden, Sr,- Abe is a firm believer in a conspiracy AND in Secret Service negligence. Also, Abe is adamant that there was a plot to kill JFK in Chicago in early November, 1963. I spoke to Bolden twice and corresponded at length with him between 1993 and the present. Bolden is currently working on his own book with his wife;

4) Maurice G. Martineau- Abe's boss in the Chicago office, Martineau was equally adamant to me that a conspiracy took the life of President Kennedy. He also told me he finds the work of the HSCA much more valid than that of the WC. However, when it comes to info. on the Chicago plot, Martineau is afraid to give me details to this day...;

5) John Norris- a member of the uniformed division of the Secret Service, Norris is a fervent believer in a conspiracy, although one gets the impression this is more based on his beliefs than actual knowledge, but I could be mistaken. Still, his views and beliefs are important for obvious reasons;

6) *Bill Greer- despite many suspicions I have about Greer's conduct on 11/22-11/23/63, he is a "default" addition to this list. In addition to Kellerman's daughter's comments mentioned above, he is also among those witnesses who, at least indirectly, gave testimony that the right rear of JFK's head was missing. Also, to the HSCA, he had much misgivings about the "Single Bullet Theory". Still, this could just be guilty conscience- he expressed much guilt to Jackie Kennedy concerning his awful performance on Elm Street (which he would later deny to the FBI and the WC; even Greer's son Richard was adamant to me that his father had absolutely no survivor's guilt, despite these documented, very early guilt feelings. Even Dave Powers and Ken O'Donnell document Greer's early remorse <"Johnny, We Hardly Knew Ye'; see also Powers interview by Charles Kuralt, 11/22/88 on video>;

Also, Paul E. Landis, Jr., an agent in the follow-up car who, like agent Hill, was assigned to Jackie, stated twice that shots came from the front <18H755; 18H759>;

In addition, agent Thomas "Lem" Johns, who rode in the V.P. follow-up car, told the HSCA that "the first two sounded like they were on the side of me towards the grassy knoll" ; Finally, SAIC of the Dallas office, Forrest V. Sorrels, riding in the lead car, believed the shots came from the front . I spoke very briefly to Sorrels on two occasions in 1992, a year before he died- he would not clarify anything..."

http://www.geocities.com/zzzmail/palarma.htm

"Colonel F.Prouty summarizes his study of the assassination (audio) ( about 15 minutes )
Col. Prouty was the liaison officer between the Pentagon and the CIA during the 60's. He organized aviation support for the world-wide clandestine activities of the CIA."

http://lightscion.911review.org/Sounds/Colonel_Prouty_overview_JFK_investigation.mp3

[k-robjoe]

6. Need to know

"Autopsy photographs of the interior of JFK's chest, which might have shown the bullet's path or lack of same, have never been seen and are supposedly non-existent. No attempt to find them, or account for them has ever been undertaken, despite the testimony of Dr. Humes who stated:

" I distinctly recall going to great lengths to try and get the interior upper portion of the thorax illuminated. What happened to the film, I don't know." "

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"Humes also testified that they did not section the brain. Sectioning is a normal medico-legal autopsy procedure and is necessary to establish the direction of any bullet\fragment tracks that might have ripped through the brain, so as to determine the angle of entry. He further testified that he was told not to by one of the higher ranking, non-medical military personnel in the room, in order to "preserve the specimen". This "specimen", the brain, has been missing for over 30 years."

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"Finally, on November 10, 1998 the National Archives released a 32 page Memorandum for the File written by ARRB military documents expert Douglas Horne. In it, Horne, the ARRB's chief researcher into the autopsy and medical evidence, reviews and documents the many contradictions found surrounding the Warren Commission and HSCA witness statements, documents and ARRB depositions relating to the supplemental brain examination performed by Dr.Humes and others some time after the autopsy. Horne's conclusion, corroborated by a review of the alleged photographs of the brain by FBI SA O'Neill, present during the autopsy, is myth-shattering:
The photographs housed at the National Archives are not those of President Kennedy's brain, but of another one which was substituted and passed off as his! In fact, Horne concludes, with a 90-95% certainty, that 2 separate brain examinations were done, several days apart, on two completely different specimens, in order to hide the true nature of the president's wounds! "

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"Under Texas Law (...), a medico-legal autopsy must have taken place, in the jurisdiction (county) where the crime was committed, before any indictment for murder could have been filed.(...)
Remember, Dallas County Coroner Earl F. Rose did try to perform an autopsy, as required by Texas law, but he was overwhelmed by the Secret Service present. We are assured that there was nothing sinister about it, despite the fact that as soon as they did it, they prevented anyone from ever being convicted of the crime. How convenient that the accused murderer was then also assassinated, thus removing the need for a trial. "

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"An agent of the CIA, Regis Blahut, was arrested during the HSCA hearings for breaking into a safe and handling the autopsy photographs stored there. No explanation for why he did it has ever been offered."

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http://pages.prodigy.net/whiskey99/chapter4.htm

[Abe Linkman]

7. Plausible explanation for why JFK's brain is missing

The fatal head wound was from a bullet which contained easily-detected Mercury, which explodes on impact and would have immediately raised questions.

Incidentally - I've recently corresponded with a retired British detective who has done a masterful job of proving that LHO did NOT carry a rifle into the TSBD building on 11-22-63. I don't have a cite for his work (off the top of my head), but it's readily available on the Net, and well worth reading.

[k-robjoe]

10. Continued

i) The testimony of every one of the autopsy doctors and the physician who treated Connally at Parkland, stated that none of them could believe that CE 399 could have caused all the wounds because of its pristine condition and because too much metal was removed or remained in the victims. Their testimony on this point was unequivocal.

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Additionally, Dr. Shaw has told researcher Livingstone that the thigh wound was indeed caused by a fragment, larger than 5 grains. The Parkland Hospital report on Connally (CE 392) appears to corroborate this point, and Dr. Shaw again identified the thigh wound as being made by a fragment in the NOVA documentary "Who Killed President Kennedy?". This seriously undermines the theory that CE 399 fell out of JBC's leg while he was on the stretcher and that CE 399 caused all his wounds.

In addition, fragments too large to have come from CE 399 show up in X-rays of Connally. Parkland nurse Audrey Bell described these fragments as "Anywhere from 3-4 millimeters in length by a couple of millimeters wide"

(Dallas Morning News interview, 4/1/77

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a) Allegedly, no human matter of any kind was found on CE 399 despite the necessary assumption that it had caused numerous wounds, nor was it recovered from either victim's body. It therefore could not be scientifically linked to either Kennedy or Connally.

In fact, in what appears to be an effort to hide this, the WC leads FBI SA Robert Frazier through contradictory testimony about CE 399. (WCH 3, Pgs 228-244) He finally states however, that even under microscopic examination, no blood nor human tissue was found.

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b) No striation marks (tiny scratches) were found by the FBI on the bulbous, undamaged nose of CE 399, despite allegedly going through JFK's jacket, shirt, possibly nicking his tie, JBC's jacket, shirt, shirt, jacket, jacket, shirt, shirt, jacket and pants. Striation marks, around the nose, are common even when bullets are fired only into cotton for ballistic comparison purposes. Because of this, CE 399 cannot scientifically be determined to have gone through either man's clothes, much less both.

http://pages.prodigy.net/whiskey99/chapter3.htm

But allegedly, this bullet crushed two bones :




" I have worked with the CIA and military officials in testing special rifles. I have seen countless bullets fired into gelatin and paraffin to simulate body hits on humans. I have seen goats shot under controlled conditions to show what impact will do. In my own experience, admittedly limited, I have never seen an undamaged slug, no matter what substance it had been fired into, except when fired carefully into cotton. " http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/GoD.html

[Abe Linkman]

12. Here's more proof that LHO did NOT even shoot at JFK

Shortly after he was taken into custody, a standard paraffin test was done, and it was NEGATIVE for his face (and would have been positive if he had fired a rifle).

Also, I've personally corresponded with the retired British Detective who proved that LHO did NOT carry a rifle into the TSBD.

LHO was a Patsy. Just like Osama bin Forgotten.

[tngledwebb]

8. Comes down to one issue AL-

The inability of laypersons to analyze highly technical photographic evidence such as the Zapruder footage. Or to read BS filled official commission reports.
Leave it to the pros and experts, if they have any curiosity about this horrible incident in American history, aka the first smoking gun.

[Slit Skirt]

9. The Best Evidence

by David Lifton.........

the book will knock your socks off....I had to buy it on ebay because it is out of print..
he does not go into the why...he just traces possession of the body..

diagrams and sketches from doctors of autopsy...he says there were two
interviews with people who were told not to talk
transcripts of autopsy....pictures of documents

picture of LBJ winking to someone right after he was sworn in on Air Force 1

casket on Air Force 1 did not have JFK body in it...

IT IS AN AMAZING BOOK. WELL DOCUMENTED AND INFORMATION WAS RETRIEVED BEFORE THEY LOCKED IT ALL UP IN THE ARCHIVES.