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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-02-06 04:06 PM
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How many people worked in the twin towers?
I remember it as 50,000?

Did they have an evacuation plan?

It may be politically incorrect to say this, but if there were 50,000 people working there and 2800 died, then a good job of evacuation was done. It could have been so much higher a death toll. The buildings came down completely, so the vast majority was out in time.

I say this coming from watching the COURT TV 911 special which K. Costner narrated - which was especially annoying to me, for blaming just about everybody except the hijackers. One of their complaints was that people in the South Tower were told to stay at work - well there is a time not to listen to your boss, and it looks like most people took it. Also complaining about people going to the roof to be saved which turned out to be impossible - if you work in a building that size, don't you make sure you know the evacuation routes? Still, most people did, because most people got out.

A simple precaution would be to have fire drills and evacuation plans - and it would be more effective than cashing in the Bill of Rights or "fighting them over there so we don't have to fight them here."





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petgoat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-02-06 04:34 PM
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1. I remember 50,000 as the total population at 11:00 a.m.
Striking at 8:46 was one of several actions taken that minimized
the number of deaths--which seems strange for terrorists, no?

I'm not convinced that evacuation from the roof was impossible.
It was dangerous, and probably that option was outlawed out of
fear that panicked people would have an ugly scene on the roof,
but I suspect that many people could have been saved. The door
was locked, so somebody would have had to break it down from
the roof side.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 10:53 AM
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3. Could any aircraft get to the roof in spite of the smoke?
I would guess it was not impossible.

I could see there being no other option for those above the floors on which the planes crashed, but there could have been any type of fire in that building and people get cut off because they were on floors higher than the one where the fire was, and the fire damage cutting off any way down.

So one would think they'd have thought of that and had a rooftop evacuation plan. They thought of designing the building so it could withstand plane crashes. Why not think of rescusing people directly from the top floors?

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petgoat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 12:06 PM
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5. The sad thing is that in WTC2 several people were able to
Edited on Sun Sep-03-06 12:06 PM by petgoat
walk down, but most people went up instead.

Brian Clark walked down from the 84th floor. He said he saw a few
flames, but no blazing inferno. He stopped on 31 to make phone calls!
When he hit the street a friend said he thought the towers might
collapse and Clark said "No way!"

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/wtc/above.html
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 12:48 PM
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6. "Being one of the fire marshals" he says, so there was a plan
So we have in our trading floor many television sets tuned to financial news information. Well, all of these stations cut away to their news departments, and there were these breaking news stories that an airplane had hit the World Trade Center. The story developed literally within minutes, and we understood fairly soon, I would say within three or four minutes, that an airliner had hit One World Trade Center. At least that's my recollection of the timeframe.

Well, we knew now that the damage had been done to Tower One, not our Tower, so we relaxed a little bit about evacuation. Nonetheless, many people in the first minute had bolted for the stairs and were on their way down.


I would still leave though. Which most people did, presumably. How many people were killed in the South Tower versus the North? I would think most of the deaths were from the North because those in the South had a better warning to get out. Though the South crumbled first. Even so, the idea of getting out of there before there was any reason to might have done a lot.

At about five minutes to nine there was an announcement by the Port Authority within our building. First the strobe lights flashed, as they did during their normal fire drills. The alarm system gave a little bit of a whoop whoop, you know, to alert you to an announcement about to be made. Then the very familiar voice, the one we heard all the time, came over the system and said, "Building Two is secure. There is no need to evacuate Building Two. If you are in the midst of evacuation, you may return to your office by using the re-entry doors on the re-entry floors and the elevators to return to your office. Repeat, Building Two is secure...."


That would do a lot to get you to stay, since in between crashes there would have been no reason to expect another one. It is still tough for me to blame those who made that announcement, though. They had no way of knowing, at that point, that the South Tower would be hit, too.


we knew in an instant that it was terrorism. I mean, there wasn't for sure terrorism on people's minds when the first building had been hit. Was it pilot error? Was it instrument error? Or just a one-off suicide? Horrible as it was, you didn't know for certain that it was terrorism. But when the second building got hit you instantly calculated the two of them: terrorism.




It strikes me as odd even then that he could recognize that so quickly, but then again there was the 1993 attack, which makes it all the more likely there must have been some thought toward what to do if the building were attacked by terrorists.















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Norrin Radd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 04:50 AM
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7. Also strange: you'd think terrorists would crash the planes lower,
to prevent more people from escaping by going downstairs.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 06:44 AM
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8. In some ways they didn't think their own plan through, fortunately
The surprise factor is so essential to being "successful" with the plan that it could never happen again, at least not this particular way. Any attempt to take over the plane and the passengers are going to attack. It was even happening on that very day on Flight 93. So the terrorists never thought about how the passengers could get access to information - they did nothing about passengers calling from the phones, so that their late start on Flight 93 and not doing anything with the passengers once they took over the plane meant that the passengers had access to information and what was going on so that they at least had a chance to try something to thwart the attack. At which they succeeded, since that flight did not hit whatever target was intended.
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FoxOnTheRun Donating Member (829 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-02-06 05:11 PM
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2. I wonder where some CEO's were that day


Also, the morning of 9/11, a small group of business leaders are at Offutt Air Force Base for a charity fundraiser event due to take place there later in the day, hosted by the multi-billionaire Warren Buffett. When the attacks begin, these visitors are having breakfast with Admiral Mies, the director of Global Guardian. After the second WTC tower is hit, Mies excuses himself from the group, presumably to assist in canceling the exercise.

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/entity.jsp?id=152184...

There was also this Odego stuff and other warnings
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 10:55 AM
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4. CEOs are always traveling around, though
Might have been nothing odd here. Were there any that were killed? I would estimate that the biggest CEOs would have had offices on the top floors, too, making them more vulnerable.

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