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reprehensor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 06:17 AM
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David Ray Griffin on "Tucker" - 8/9/2006
Download and play,

http://www.911podcasts.com/files/video/griffin-on-tucke...

(Windows video file, 5min, 12.5MB)
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KJF Donating Member (792 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 07:14 AM
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1. Hell's teeth!
Edited on Thu Aug-10-06 07:34 AM by KJF
Tucker was a real obnoxious ****. A particular "highlight" was him saying, accompanied by a little false laugh, that British journalism had "very low standards".

Griffin did well to keep his cool under extreme provocation, but I don't think he did great. Most people think the WTC was hit by fully-loaded 747s (Tucker even said they were Jumbo Jets) so the first thing to do vis-a-vis the WTC is to point out that the planes were 767s, that the fuel tanks were less than half full (10,000 gallons in American 11 and 9,100 in United 175) and that the fuel burned off in a few minutes. Then say the steel didn't melt and that jet fuel can't in fact melt steel. Once the general public's erroneous beliefs have been tackled, one can get to grips with NIST or the "features of explosive demolition" or whatever, but only then.

Can we please drop the "hijackers still alive" story. We could replace it with:
(1) The CIA mounted a large operation against some of the hijackers (Al Mihdhar and the Al Hazmi brothers) involving 8 field offices and 6 foreign intelligence services before they even came to the States;
(2) According to 9/11 Commission Staff Director Eleanor Hill, the hijackers were right in the Centre of the FBI's counterterrorist coverage;
(3) In fact, Al Mihdhar and Nawaf Al Hazmi even lived with one of the Bureau's top counterterrorist informants;
(4) Their calls back to an Al Qaeda facility in the Middle East were intercepted by the NSA, but it omitted to tell the FBI about them, even though asked, and the 9/11 Commission didn't even get the transcripts;
(5) 11 of the hijackers' visas were issued by the same guy - then tie in the Springmann angle;
(6) German intelligence identified Marwan Al Shehhi as a terrorist in early 1999 and even forwarded transcipts of his calls and his phone number to the CIA, in testimony DCI Tenet said the number was impossible to trace, but when the LA Times went to the UAE they found it could have been traced "in five minutes";
(7) The CIA knew the Hamburg cell was full of Al Qaeda-related terrorists and repeatedly attempted to penetrate it. However, the case officer in charge of this was never even interviewed by the 9/11 Commission;
(8) UAE intelligence identified Ziad Jarrah, pilot of United 93, which crashed in Shanksville, as a terrorist and informed the CIA of this in January 2000;
(9) The Able Danger program identified 4 of the hijackers, but they were prevented from telling the FBI about it.

These are all much better than the "hijackers still alive".

On edit: I forgot these:
(10) On 9/11 Rummy was told 3 of the American 77 hijackers had been followed "since millenium and Cole". Who told him that? Is what Rummy was told true or what the 9/11 Commission and the CIA said (that the hijackers were followed for a week or so, but they lost them a couple of days after the millenium plot) true?
(11) The hijacking exercises. Was it just a coincidence that real hijacks went down just before war games involving hijackings were supposed to start?
(12) Drinking, strip clubs and all those trips to Vegas.
(13) Flying skills. The hijacker pilots had about 40 hours on simulators put together, but only two sessions (one for Atta and one for Al Shehhi) were on the actual planes (767s in this case) they flew on 9/11. Jarrah had a poster of a 757 cockpit, though.
(14) The ISI money transfer.
(15) There are closer connections between the CIA and radical Islamists than people imagine, how about a story from Bosnia to illustrate this?
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reprehensor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 08:19 AM
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2. British journalism had "very low standards".
Yet, for the next 24 hours, you are going to see a barrage of UK press parroted uncritically about the latest "terror plot".
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Grateful for Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 08:46 AM
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4. Yup
ad nauseum, I might add.
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Artdyst Donating Member (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 11:28 AM
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7. Maybe the latest "terror plot" is a scam for short-sellers? EOM

nt
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petgoat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 03:57 AM
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5. Good Work, Kevin! That's one to bookmark.
It's too bad Dr. Griffin let the Jumbo Jet remark get by him,
but a lot of people are going to be startled when they learn that
it wasn't jumbo jets--just as I was startled when my assumption
that the four attacks took place simultaneously turned out to be
incorrect.

"What, no air defense for 90 minutes?" I said. This can't be!

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KJF Donating Member (792 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 09:51 AM
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6. Or we could do Moussaoui or the Pheonix memo
They might be old to us, but I bet most people have never heard of Ken Williams and think Moussaoui was arrested after 9/11.
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reprehensor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 08:39 AM
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3. google video version
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