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KJF Donating Member (792 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 02:28 AM
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Hijacker documents found at Pentagon
Here are two of the hijackers' IDs found at the Pentagon:

This is Nawaf Al Hazmi's USA ID card:
http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exh...

Several of the other hijackers also had USA ID cards. If you ask me, there is a problem with the expiry date - 30 December 2006, because the cards are supposed to be issued only for 6 years and these ones were (allegedly) issued in the summer of 2001. So I figure it may well be a forgery or obtained in some dodgy manner from a "document factory".

And this is Majed Moqed's Saudi ID card:
http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exh...

The 9/11 Commission says:
"A "Kingdom of Saudi Arabia Student Identity Card" was found in the rubble at the Pentagon with Moqed's name on it. Forensic examination indicated that it may have been fraudulent. United States Secret Service Forensic Service report for the FBI PENTTBOM investigation regarding the physical examination of forensic science research request." Terrorist Travel, p. 44

I have no idea why he would take the card with him, or of what use such fraudulent card would be to him.

Although it wasn't shown to the Moussaoui trial, according to the 9/11 Commission another document of a hijacker was found at the Pentagon - Salem Al Hazmi's USA ID. In Terrorist Travel (p. 42) an endnote cites "USSS report "Physical examination of identifications of 'Salem Alhazmi' and "Alhazmi' found at the Pentagon, Sept. 25 and 27, 2001."

I don't know why they didn't show this at the Moussaoui trial. Just about every other document that was found at the crash sites was shown.
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Nitty-Gritty Donating Member (28 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 07:44 AM
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1. Didn't want to be laughed out of court. Maybe THAT is why.

"I don't know why they didn't show this at the Moussaoui trial. Just about every other document that was found at the crash sites was shown."
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 08:09 AM
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2. Were any allegedly fraudulent IDs shown at the trial? nt
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medienanalyse Donating Member (727 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 08:35 AM
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3.  The ID Card Collection Grows
We remember the miraculous finding of the passport of Sataam al Suqami in New York, right into the hands og the FBI official whose predecessor was John O`Neill.

We are so lucky to have the ID card of Ziad Jarrah from UA93 - this one was shown to the public already.

And now two more. When ID cards survive the heat: why dont the bodies of those who were the owners ?

In fact allegedly they did. The FBI iced these bodies. So they must be easily identifiable.

If they tell us the bodies are not identifiable and produce IC cards I have the strong argument that the ID cards are falsified or not "found" at the Pentagon.

Let us take Jarrahs body: if he was identified why were his bones not sent to his family in the Bekaa valley in Lebanon ? The family is well known, the address is known too. I suggest that there might be a problem with the evidence that the iced body has any genetic similarity with the Jarrahs ....
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 08:40 AM
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4. I don't think that addressed my question.
Did the prosecution present any IDs as evidence that the prosecution alleged were faked?
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Sinti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 07:36 PM
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5. Were IDs of any non-hijackers found? Does anyone know?
Is there a cache of other paper/plastic materials from the planes?
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Jazz2006 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 09:53 PM
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6. Yes, there are several among the exhibits posted from the
Moussaoui trial, belonging to non-hijacker passengers.

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KJF Donating Member (792 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-06-06 07:54 AM
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12. Some has been mentioned publicly
For example, you can find mentions of some of the passengers' stuff here:
nlineathens.com/stories/091104/new_20040911030.shtml+%22a+burnt+luggage+tag%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&client=firefox-a" target="_blank">http://72.14.221.104/search?q=cache:tWIeBKded0cJ :online...

And here:
http://gilroydispatch.com/news/contentview.asp?c=73724

Passengers' stuff was also (allegedly) found at the other sites. For example, this is Waleed Iskandar's bank card (allegedly) found at the WTC:


I guess there is also lots of passengers' stuff that hasn't been mentioned in the press - I certainly haven't seen a comprehensive list.
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Sinti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-06-06 11:08 AM
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13. Thanks n/t
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Norrin Radd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-05-06 08:07 AM
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7. Jetliners should be coated in the plastic that covers IDs.
Skyscrapers, as well.
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Grateful for Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-05-06 11:39 AM
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8. LOL!
Good point!
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Norrin Radd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-06-06 04:58 AM
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10. Thanks. ID plastic is definately a miracle safety material. n/t
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Grateful for Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-06-06 01:37 PM
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15. Sure is! n/t
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-05-06 07:19 PM
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9. They must think the public is stupid?
gullible
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Norrin Radd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-06-06 05:00 AM
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11. They think the public is not paying attention. They are probably right,
for the most part.

Myself, I can hardly keep track of where I put my sunglasses and my wallet and license on a daily basis.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-06-06 11:25 AM
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14. Documents are easy to forge
Edited on Sun Aug-06-06 11:26 AM by DoYouEverWonder
Show me the engines? Where are the engines?

I've seen pieces of engines but nothing that can be ID has comeing from a 757 or 767.

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