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JohnLocke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 11:31 PM
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Kerry: Rantisi's killing was justified
Edited on Sun Apr-18-04 11:32 PM by JohnLocke
Kerry: killing of Rantisi was justified*
Janine Zacharia -- Jerusalem Post
Sunday, April 18, 2004

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US Senator John Kerry, the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee, said on Sunday Israel's killing of Hamas leader Abdel-Aziz al-Rantissi was justified because Israel "has every right in the world to respond to any act of terror against it."
"Hamas is a terrorist, brutal organization," he told NBC's Meet the Press.
"It has had years to make up its mind to take part in a peaceful process. They refuse to ... and I support Israel's efforts to try to separate itself and to try to be secure."
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Read the rest here.
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*Headline modified slightly to avoid apostrophe error.
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JohnLocke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 11:33 PM
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1. Clearly and encouraging sign that Kerry will back Israel's sovereignty (nt).
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 07:18 AM
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11. Extrajudicial killings have nothing to do with Israel's sovereignty...
Or is it that you think that if people speak up against extrajudicial killings that somehow they're not backing Israel's sovereignty?

Violet...
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KissMyAsscroft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 11:34 PM
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2. Pandering./..


Hopefully he will take a Clinton-type stand on this.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 11:35 PM
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3. So assassination's OK now, huh?
"On January 26, 2004, senior Hamas leader Abdel Aziz al-Rantissi offered a 10-year hudna in return for complete withdrawal from all territories captured in the Six Day War, and the establishment of a state."

Well we WERE moving toward peace... :eyes:
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 11:45 PM
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4. So you just take this Rantisi guy at his word?
They're completely non-credible. The last time they declared a "cease fire" over last summer they continued to attempt attacks. They're not believeable for a second.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 11:47 PM
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5. And Sharon is a rock of credibility
and black is white. Got it.
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 11:55 PM
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6. I didn't say Sharon was credible
nor did I mean to imply it. Maybe we shouldn't believe any of these people, but to suggest that Hamas was about to make peace with Israel for whatever reason is naive to say the least.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 12:29 AM
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7. Well the "road map" has been blown out of the water
Edited on Mon Apr-19-04 12:35 AM by wtmusic
and is not likely to return soon. When was the last time Sharon offered an olive branch of ANY sort?

"Abd al-Aziz Rantissi was born in Yubna, near Jaffa. In 1948, his family moved to the Gaza Strip. He was an outstanding student. He completed his secondary school education in 1965 and was admitted as a student to the faculty of medicine at Alexandria University (Egypt). He graduated in 1972, returned to Gaza for two years, and than obtained a masters degree in Pediatrics.

Rantissi studied in Egypt for nine years and received a degree in pediatric medicine."

Sharon studied for four years and got a law degree; the rest of his career has been entirely military. Rantissi was a goddamn pediatrician, for chrissake. On humanitarian issues I'd believe him in a heartbeat over Sharon, the Tommy Franks of Israel.
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 01:52 AM
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9. Yeah, the road map is shot all to hell.
I'll agree with you on that one. However, I disagree that Rantisi was a peacemaker. He repeatedly called for terrorist attacks on Israeli civilians.

The last time Sharon offered an olive branch was about a year and a half ago during the Israeli unilateral cease-fire. I'm not trying to say Sharon isn't a part of the problem, but let's not make Rantisi into something he wasn't.
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Oak Donating Member (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 04:33 PM
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24. Wrong term
Israel is at a state of war with Hamas. The term assasination is a political one. This was a killing of a terrorist leader. Israel did what it needed to do.
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 05:10 PM
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25. How did Israel need to kill Yassin? n/t
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tinnypriv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 03:12 PM
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27. Would you prefer
Liquidation?

That's the term used in Israel.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 07:07 PM
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30. That Term, Sir, Is A Sentimental Favorite Of Mine....
"The crisis was so pressing, it was necessary to execute sentence first, and have the trial afterwards."
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eileen from OH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 01:33 AM
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8. I am ABB, I am ABB
I am ABB, I AM ABB, I am ABB. I am ABB.

Rinse and repeat.

eileen from OH

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Nlighten1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 03:07 PM
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26. I am ABB now but...
the more I hear Kerry speak about Iraq and Israel I am beginning to change my mind.

I honestly can't believe that Kerry is the best the Democratic party can provide as a candidate.
We need someone how will throw Bush and his traitors in prison, we need someone who will tell Sharon to get fucked, and we need someone who will get us the fuck out of Iraq.
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kalian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 06:32 PM
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28. I've changed my mind a LONG time ago when it comes to Kerry....
he's another sell out.
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Nlighten1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 08:45 PM
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31. Yep and it makes me wonder...
if he continues giving Bush and his cabal cover why the hell should I vote for him? We need a President who will charge Bush and Co. with crimes against humanity and treason...not one that talks tough but plays footsie under the table with them.
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Classical_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 07:02 AM
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10. This is a mistake
If you look at the people who support this they are republican on nearly all issues. I am dissappointed again. Kerry will not be able to stop this fucking war.
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kalian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 06:33 PM
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29. Of course he won't be able to stop this "war"....
and I'm quite sure that he'll expand it even further.
Its a choice between Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dumb....
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 11:53 AM
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12. I was disappointed with Kerry's reaction to this, as well
But he is still better than Bush*. He said that the Bush* administration wasn't "engaged" in this. Duh. Also, he proposed getting Clinton involved again. That man was brilliant, even knowing the makeup of all the Jerusalem neighborhoods. I doubt Bush* could find it on a map. Clinton's promising plan only failed because "the Prince of Darkness," Richard Perle, whispered in the ears of Barak's aides to hold out for a Bush* presidency. Like that has led to a peaceful resolution here. We need someone who is serious and impartial. Clinton would be my first choice.
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Martin Eden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 11:26 PM
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14. Justification is besides the point
In a cycle of violence like this, one can find justification in almost any act, whether it is an oppressed Palestinian detonating herself in a Tel Aviv market or Arial Sharon ordering a blackhawk missile strike.

Justification is little more than rationalization which enables human beings to murder each other. It perpetuates the cycle of violence. There is no justice in any of it.

The only justice is that which makes progress towards a peace that will spare future generations from further bloodshed and tragedy. All actions must be evaluated within this context.

IMHO the assasinations of Hamas leaders do not advance the prospect of peace, and Kerry should know better.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-04 12:52 AM
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15. kerry is a dope
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-04 07:10 AM
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16. Kerry RAWWWWWWWWWKSSSSSSSS!!!!!!
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-04 07:35 AM
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17. We have to choose. Bush* or Kerry.
For me, it's Kerry in a heartbeat. He is not my ideal candidate, but, at least, he is acknowledging this terrible conflict and wants to do something about it. Bush* just acts as if it doesn't exist, and has for three-and-a-half years. :shrug:
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tinanator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-04 03:26 PM
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18. So if Iraqis assassinate Kerry, will it be OK with him?
such a stupid policy to engage in, let alone support.
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FOM Donating Member (21 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-04 07:13 PM
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19. I don't know, does Kerry head a terrorist organization?
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tinanator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-04 07:46 PM
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21. ask the Iraqis
Maybe they feel he does. Got info?
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Muddleoftheroad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-04 09:14 AM
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22. What organization would that be?
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Djinn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 03:18 AM
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23. Oh come ON Muddle
I really don't think I need to spell it out for you you know perfectly well the comparison being made - but for the benefit of other posters with less comprehension.

If Kerry wins - he will be Commander in Chief of the forces in Iraq

The people of Iraq (and many outside it) view the US (and coaltion) forces as and ILLEGAL occupying force and they have certainly killed many many civilians.

So by the "you can assinate killers" argument Kerry might want to watch his back if he wins?
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Muddleoftheroad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 09:13 PM
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32. So right now Kerry heads no such organization?
Yes, that's correct.

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The Sushi Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-04 07:33 PM
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20. Was "justified" in his quote??
or is it the posts wording?

Where is the "meet the press" transcript??
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