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drdon326 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 01:02 PM
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Hamas Appoints New Leader After Slaying
The group's Damascus-based leader Khaled Mashaal instructed the group to keep the name of its new Gaza leader secret. Army Radio reported the new leader was Mahmoud Zahar, who had been Rantisi's second in command.

"We are committed to the policy of resistance and we cannot be swayed," Zahar told The Associated Press. "Hamas cannot be defeated. Hamas cannot be broken."

Israel has targeted Hamas and its leaders in advance of Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's proposed withdrawal from all of the Gaza Strip and a few West Bank settlements.

Sharon vowed to continue hunting down Hamas leaders.

"This policy of making an effort on the one hand to advance a political process and on the other hand to hit the terror organizations and their leaders will continue," Sharon said at the start of his weekly Cabinet meeting Sunday.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040418/D8219QUG0.html

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Zahar,huh??

Well that secret lasted about 5 minutes....place ya bets.
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JohnLocke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 01:04 PM
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1. "Hamas cannot be defeated. Hamas cannot be broken." You're next...
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drdon326 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 01:24 PM
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2. More on Zahar...
From the Islamic point of view, Israel should not exist, said Mahmoud Zahar, a spokesman for the anti-Israel, radical Islamic group Hamas said during an interview on the National Public Radio program All Things Considered on Thursday October 26, 2000. In the course of the interview he made the following points:

Israel is not allowed to exist as a secular state run by Jews.
It is not likely that the Palestinians, especially those who live outside the West Bank and Gaza will accept separate states Israel and Palestine existing side by side.
The issues that divided Hamas and Yasir Arafats Palestinian Authority are being resolved.
The Palestinian Authority now believes that negotiations have no future.
Every Palestinian, every Arab, every Muslim demands revenge against Israel.

http://www.adl.org/israel/hamas.asp?&MSHiC=1252&L=10&W=...


real winner.
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JohnLocke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 01:44 PM
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4. When he is killed, the Arab League will call it "state-sponsored terror."
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 03:30 PM
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9. Nice little "moderate" replacing Rantisi, isn't he?
So what, exactly, was accomplished?

He seems awfully scared... :eyes:
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drdon326 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 03:37 PM
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10. Thank you for asking....
Now they are trying to figure out who the mole is who
'ratted' out rantisi. Hopefully they'll be too busy to
complete all the attacks they want to do.

Preventitive medicine works that way....its not what happens..
its what hopefully wont happen.

btw....you (and me) are the kind of people rantisi would
have enjoyed killing.
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Noon_Blue_Apples Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 02:30 PM
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6. 'you're next' shades of 'bring them on'

and you point at jubilant militant palestinians...

pot meet kettle

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JohnLocke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 03:26 PM
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7. Wow. I think I'd be insulted if that wasn't so incoherent...
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 03:29 PM
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8. So the assasination of Rantisi was a "success", I suppose?
Someone else to kill, no real change...
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 01:32 PM
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3. A thought to consider
From The New York Times via CommonDreams
Dated November 23, 2003

Sacring Up Votes
By Maureen Dowd

Richard Clarke, the former U.S. counterterrorism chief, told Ted Koppel that Mr. Bush's habit of putting X's through the pictures of arrested or killed Qaeda managers was very reminiscent of a scene in the movie "The Battle of Algiers," in which the French authorities did the same to the Algerian terrorists: "Unfortunately, after all the known Algerian terrorists were arrested or killed, the French lost . . . ."

This is from the middle of the piece. You may read the quote in context by clicking the link, although it is that quote that makes the point.

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Muddleoftheroad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 04:39 PM
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13. The big difference
The French had somewhere else to go, the Israeli people can't afford to lose.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 04:53 PM
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14. I agree that that is the difference . . .
. . . if one considers that the Palestinians are attempting to drive the Jews out of the Levant.

A more realistic goal would be retain control of the West Bank and Gaza, where Palestinians are a 90+% majority, which has never been part of the modern state of Israel and where the GOI routinely displaces Palestinians to make way for Jewish-only settlements accessed on roads on which Palestinians are prohibited from traveling.

That aspect of the occupation provides the Palestinians with a legitimate grievance that will only be alleviated when the occupation becomes about security and only security or ends altogether.


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Muddleoftheroad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 04:58 PM
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15. Some Palestinians are indeed trying to do that
Israel shouldn't pull back one inch without a peace treaty. It gains nothing with such a move and then the Palestinians can come back and demand more.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 05:41 PM
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16. Since you say that some Palestinians are trying to be realistic . . .
. . . you might want to distinguish them from the Palestinians you are always talking about. By the way, just who are the Palestinians you are always talking about?

Second, it does the Israelis no good to continue to give the Palestinians (as in rank-and-file people, like you and me) valid grievances. The occupation was an occupation until 1977, when Begin said the West Bank and Gaza were "liberated" land. It was liberated, we must presume, from the people who had lived there for centuries. The Likud program ever since has been to treat the occupied territories as part of Israel without regard to the desires or national aspirations of the people who live there.

Of course, Begin's 1977 assertion was ludicrous then and remains so today. Nevertheless, that is the rationale for Israel's settlement policy. That policy needs to be stopped and reversed.

Suggesting that is quite different from saying the occupation must end. All it suggests is that the occupation become about Israel's security, not about a desire for territorial expansion.

Resolution 242 emphasizes "the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war". The agreement between Bush and Sharon this week violated the spirit and the letter of Resolution 242. Begin's 1977 declaration was also a violation of Resolution 242. Every Israeli settlement built on occupied land has been a violation of Resolution 242 and the Fourth Geneva Convention.

The end and reversal of the settlement policy would be Israel's signal to the Palestinian people that she is prepared to return land for peace. The IDF would remain behind to round up terrorists and would not leave until a credible Palestinian government agrees to a non-aggression pact with Israel.

Once the settlements are gone, time will be on the side of the peace makers of both nations.
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walmartsucks Donating Member (149 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 01:56 PM
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5. He might want to be more careful now
I'm sure Israel has a missile with this idiot's name on it. Of course, they're all ready to become matryrs for the cause, so I can't imagine why any supporters of Hamas would be upset when he gets vaporized.
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number6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 04:04 PM
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11. place your bets on bystanders...
being blown away ....
will the IDF take out any Children... ?

news at 11:00
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brainshrub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 04:15 PM
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12. You mean killing the last leader didn't fix the problem?
Well surprise, surprise!
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